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  • Mon, Jun 04, 2012 - 11:24pm



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    Sager, About Your Update


You are probably one of the most real and genuine people here in this community. Thank you for sharing your journey with us. It is a privilege, and we all know that. I really respect you greatly for what you are doing. There are many of us with only a toe in the pool, and you’ve jumped in and you continue to make strides.

I am so sorry to hear about what happened with you and your wife. Hopefully it is just a sabbatical that you two will emerge from for the better – not that whole ‘nother kettle of fish.

I don’t recall if you wrote whether she was with you for that major rite of passage, the “chicken harvest”, but if she was and came through it all right, then it could be a good sign. Nevertheless, I hope that whatever happens to both of you, that the right things happen.

So are you guys still running your yoga studio(s) – I don’t recall if I read an update on that? What else are you doing and learning besides construction and animal husbandry?




  • Tue, Jun 05, 2012 - 01:19am


    Jim H

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I second the comments by Poet… so glad to get an update from you.. and so sorry to hear that there is strife in the SagerXX love life…  I hope that you will once again find yourself Sager XOXO in the not too distant future.  Be well, and keep posting. 

Thanks in part to your inspiration.. this Sunday I walked down my street with a (gift) bottle of wine and introduced myself to some new neighbors…  that bought a house that had been vacant for about 1.5 years.  It takes a community.. right ?            

  • Tue, Jun 05, 2012 - 01:42am


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    Cleaning house



     I  have been through total guilt  casting out a young couple who were  living in my rental house for 4 months…. without paying a dime  because they lost their job when the Govt. come took away their kid.   I have found that One can only help those who want to help themselves .   I am sure they are dealing  drugs out of my house !!!      Anyway  they lost their kid , their jobs ,their car , and now their home and still not  reached bottom enough to turn around .     BUT I have to have money to pay the taxes and insurance .    Could it be that sometimes we have to weed out the weekest link?   I hated to think this way  but   they are not building the community …. they are like a canker sore. That being said they were not of the family and I can not support everyone .   I am sorry that  they will wander on somehow and someone else will have to deal with them .   

   Sorry about the split ,Sager,  {{{ BIG HUGS}}}    I know you did not take this step lightly  and am also sure there are totally mixed emotions !!! .DEEP BREATHS   ( this news even  makes me shaky …But for the grace of God go I .)  For now  I stand on a solid rock of faithfulness of my husband .     I know my Hubs  HATES change and he Hates to loose   so I count on him sticking here like super glue .    I pray  for  your  clear thoughts in your new journey that  you find  a new security of who you are , what is your calling ,and purpose  .

   I watched a series “Frontier House ”   after 6 months in the  cabin survival  2 out of three couples did not stay together when they returned to civilization .    They  found out  they stuck together when times were hard and they needed each other  for survival  but also  found many things that they did not like about themselves and each other that  could not  keep them united  when  facing the real world of today .

   Soul searching  is not an easy trip . When we are held to the fire  we come out refined / purified   . 

   I think  MANY  people will turn on each other .  We will not be able to trust those we thought we could   maybe we can not trust ourselves .I think we will all find some ugly truths about ourselves  when put to the test . Often the line between right and wrong sometimes gets a little fuzzy  but I do pray that  you do come to  the right path for the two of you .  


PS.  hope I did not step on any toes  of the site rules .


  • Tue, Jun 05, 2012 - 02:51am



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    My heart goes out to you

Sager, my heart goes out to you!  The staggering economy may be the first shock wave we experience as we go through this time of change and upheaval, but it sure isn’t the only one.  The aftershocks are doozies.

My thoughts and best wishes are with you both!  You are cared about here.

  • Wed, Jun 06, 2012 - 12:30am



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    Different worlds

Hi Sagerxx,

Sorry to hear about the decisions you’re having to make, regarding your relationships. I haven’t really followed this thread fully, so I don’t know the story behind the move, except that it seemed like you had made a good move previously, in your opening post.

I’m at a similar juncture, though I also have 2 adult kids. We moved to a semi-rural place a few years ago, which was something of a compromise at the time. I can’t get the message through to any of my friends and now it seems that my family is intent on simply waiting until the collapse becomes obvious (to me, this reeks of denial) and prefer to keep their fingers crossed that they can get through whatever happens with the friends they have now. So I’m largely trying to prepare alone. Which is bad enough, but doing it for people who don’t want to help adjust their own lives is downright disheartening. Result: motivation low.

I don’t think we have enough land here (0.75 acre and was something of a compromise at the time) to prepare properly whilst the rest of the community has its collective head in the sand, but there doesn’t seem to be a resolution in sight, that doesn’t involve some kind of separation.

Good luck.

[Edit: hmm, I realised I said some of this at the beginning of the year – it’s still dragging on even after a family conference recently]

  • Wed, Jun 06, 2012 - 02:26am


    Full Moon

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    good grief

   Honest  to Pete Y’all ,  they can not possibly straddle the fence much longer until they see their money just is not going as far as it used to .  The mainstream news is even picking up on somethings  although some of them that get it suddenly  get cancelled .      Boy the true Tin foil Hat people are rockin on the preps .  There are more and more  buisness jumping on this oppertunity . I  mean really if Walmart has a  bult prepping section  how much more of a HERE”S YOUR SIGN  does a person  need !?!?!


  there is none so blind as those that will not see .  


 If you truely  love these people keep preping for them same as you have bought life insurance !



  • Wed, Jun 06, 2012 - 03:06am



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I too am sorry to hear of your situation…..but, when I think of whats to come, and how many will be tested not by their choosing I can’t help but think you’re going to be that much tougher, stronger, and prepared.  And if it works out, great.  If it doesn’t, you get to push reset on your terms and start anew.  It sounds like you’ve got much to offer, don’t settle.   

  • Wed, Jun 06, 2012 - 05:49am



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 Just thinking of you with appreciation for your wonderful presence on this website and faith in your ability to find a good way through this current situation.  Your character and values show in your posts.  Here’s hoping your community is supporting you both well as you sort yourselves out.

Still love your tagline.  Still gets me back on track.  Sounds like you are fully living it!  

Best Wishes



  • Wed, Jun 06, 2012 - 01:10pm



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    Sager,My apologies if my


My apologies if my take on this situation is inaccurate, but your marriage has to be more important than prepping. Lot’s of people complain about their spouses not sharing their concerns and outlook, but I think it’s a blessing because the truth tends to lie between two opposing points of view.

I hope you two can find your way back to one another, one way or another.

All the best my friend….Jeff

  • Wed, Jun 06, 2012 - 02:26pm


    Wendy S. Delmater

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    Hey Sager,

Hey Sager,

Been through a separation. Know it’s tough. Mine was caused because I was facing reality, and the man was not. The issues were not regarding prepping–this was over 25 years ago–but they did involve finances. Short version (and this is relevant) we had a business, as you and your wife do, and it was not doing well. My response was to try something new, his was to keep trying the same old things. He wanted a quick solution, a debt-ladened  speedway to the consumerist American Dream. I wanted a slower, more long-term solution. I was looking at the numbers and suggested practical changes to our seasonal business: a sharper focus on our profitable niche work, and a shift to something else every year during 4 months of downtime. But it became apparent that he was not in business to make money; he’d become a businessman so that it could bolster his ego. The marraige and the business hinged on whether he woke up from that or he decided to stay asleep.

Finances were not so much the cause as the symptom of what happened to the business and the marriage. You and the missus already had a profitable business so you probably have much more to build on. That’s a good thing.

If she will agree to marriage counselling, I suggest you try it. Mine never would but your lady sounds more sensible.

Addendum: for what it’s worth, my ex abandoned me and the kids, married a rich woman, and had a nice run with things like multiple homes and the yacht club and such. Now the homes are underwater, he’s terminally ill, and I live a sustainable debt-free lifestyle with someone new. Slow and steady wins the race.

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