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  • Sat, Jun 12, 2010 - 03:17pm

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    Re: Collapsenet Going Viral?

 Ok , David , fair enough .  Every one must  do as they  are convicted . Prepare as you think right .

  I believe many will be  surprised  at what they are capable of doing to save their butts  and protect their family .    I am not by nature a fighter … I would rather run from all problems  than confront them . But there are things worth fighting for  I believe some  people will get tired of bending over for TPTB . I also  believe there will be those that  will come with promises  of  false peace, answers they think are  humanistically right  and many will follow …   

 I was joking on many things, I am not looking for the boogie man behind every bush , but this I know … I will fight to save my own family   and will do so until my dieing breath .

  • Sat, Jun 12, 2010 - 03:30pm

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[quote=Full Moon]

I love seeing the sun set , the  sun rise ,and the stars .  I love the smell of plowed dirt and fresh mown hay .   I am learning to be content with what I have  and take joy in the simple pleasures .   Truly it is a sad  state we find ourselves in as  a country and a world .  How many times must things be wiped clean and start again ,and we still find ourselves in the same situation . Today there is such arrogant assertation of human will and independence  that we forget the creator … forget our purpose .  If we are only concerned with our own pleasure we will lead empty lives going on in endless empty repetition.  It will lead to despair .    We really face the question of”What is life all about ?”

  So   the Collapse net ???   Trust has to be earned .    Not sure you can do it on the net .

 FM

 

 

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WOW FM

This was one of the best posts on this site I have ever read. It is unfortunate that with the brainpower here we can not have a calm , intelligent dialog about just ” what life is all about”

It could fall under the category of ” The Definitive Philosophical, Sociological, Psychological, Existential Thread for the Exploration of our Predicament, Problems and Preparations”

I know it is a little long but maybe it would be allowed at least in the CT basement where some of the more interesting information is discuseed.

Truly great post and would love to hear what you think life is all about. Just does not seem many have a clue.

V

PS I posted a book by Teilhard de Chardin called the ”  Phenomenon of Man ” on the important books thread. He was a Jesuit priest and a paleontologist of some renown. It deals with the question you put forward

  • Sat, Jun 12, 2010 - 04:50pm

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    Re: Collapsenet Going Viral?

Hello all,

This thread has taken a path that is not a good one.  Even theoretical discussions of who might be plundered or subjugated in a lawless time have the potential to lead to the type of words and suggestions that we cannot endorse on CM.com.

This website is about building strong individuals, families, towns, states, and nations.  Providing for a strong common defense is an important function of each of these units, but we will not provide a platform for any theory which condones or advocates pre-emptive violence against anybody.  

It may be true that the strong prey upon the weak, and there may be those who are strong and those who are weak, but we cannot afford to pre-divide our communities and our country.  Dividing the world today into camps is the first step toward acting on those divisions and making alliances, and making alliances is the first step toward dividing our families, towns, and states into little pieces.  Speculation about who will be plundered or subjugated will end. 

Our forefathers discovered long ago that we have no choice but to stand together in our communities, and it is only when we allow our communities to become divided into the strong and the weak that we suffer the fate of social disorder.  Whether social disorder is even a possibility is up for discussion and debate, but regardless of what the future looks like, at CM.com our goal is to strengthen and enrich our communities as much as possible because the reality is that we have no choice but to face the future together.

While it is not clear that this thread has crossed that line, to a casual visitor it very well might seem that way.  Indeed, some long-time users seem to have become confused about the intention of this thread.

Our position is this: The individual must be strong because the community must be strong, not because the community will be foresaken.

Jason, moderator

  • Sat, Jun 12, 2010 - 05:38pm

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I leave you guys for a day and you go all feral. Like a cross between Lord of The Flies and The Road. Enslaving the Amish and the mennonites? Turning walmarts into frontier fortifications? (Jag – Dude, easy!) Then folks wonder why I’m such an isolationist. Why can’t we all just get along? If you aren’t, you ought to be answering that for your own good. Seriously.

  • Sat, Jun 12, 2010 - 06:21pm

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Mooselick

Please do not leave anymore.

The point I think is we are all together in a lifeboat as MR says. If we start shooting at one another we just might put a hole in the bottom.

Then what?

A little entertainment with a message. I really love Dionne Warwick, what a voice. This one is for you Full Moon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY7Fh8jdBCc

V

 

  • Sat, Jun 12, 2010 - 07:42pm

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[quote=Moderator Jason]
Even theoretical discussions of who might be plundered or subjugated in a lawless time have the potential to lead to the type of words and suggestions that we cannot endorse on CM.com.

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Then I suggest that people are not ready to hear a few home truths. Home truths are in need of endorsement as a requirement.

[quote=Moderator Jason]

This website is about building strong individuals, families, towns, states, and nations. Providing for a strong common defense is an important function of each of these units, but we will not provide a platform for any theory which condones or advocates pre-emptive violence against anybody.

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Is it fear-mongering that writing along this thread about our neighbor, in support to his family, will do all that they can to help them to survive, even through the use of theft and violence? Is it not a proven reality, with a track record that can be found in many countries around the World through history?

Isn’t that a blueprint of reality?

Are we to swaddle ourselves into a delusion, while grand slamming those who have an eye for history? All of the wars in history between nations have been over resource. Most if not all of the violence between villages and towns in history have been over resource.

 The picture painted here sure won’t get positive vote as a statistic in making cm.com top dog in the rating stakes, but a short time from now, there will indeed be rioting and looting in the U.S, and what then? Do we assume that we will have order in amongst the ranks if we don’t have discussion on a worst case scenario?

A very real point to make is the Transition Town Movement. They have their head above the crowd when it comes to advertising themselves to areas of the UK and US who have no preparation. I sense a mass migration by people from surrounding areas of Totnes where I live when the slide down really picks up speed. What happens if we double our population here within a week, feed them all and starve ourselves?

 [quote=Moderator Jason]

It may be true that the strong prey upon the weak, and there may be those who are strong and those who are weak, but we cannot afford to pre-divide our communities and our country. 

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Show me how we could stop that from happening? Throughout all time we have divided ourselves as a species by rank or color or creed. Whether we wish to use intelligence to justify possibilities of sharing or not, no matter how much crop we grow, or solar panels and 12 volt battery systems we envision, if we aren’t psychologically, spiritually or philosophically prepared for the onslaught using truths through preparation in reality, how can we begin to survive with only a part of the necessary preparation tools?

[quote=Moderator Jason]

Dividing the world today into camps is the first step toward acting on those divisions and making alliances, and making alliances is the first step toward dividing our families, towns, and states into little pieces.  Speculation about who will be plundered or subjugated will end.

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That is exactly how the World is divided up in the present day.  Is it just because some bright spark in Pennsylvania found oil in 1859, or are there underlying factors, and the oil simply brought a clarity to our natures; deeply and more richly in focus?

 The Human Race could have done well in not achieving the knowledge of oils uses for many thousands of years, and not before we were ready for it. We’re no more than children fighting over toys in the playground. We can justify all day how we’d like it to be, but the World is a place for survival, and do you really believe your previous generations kept your genes live and in the pool by being honorable and good, or could this be a present day delusion, built around the Western Culture’s through the use of fossil fuel and defense systems? There is real cruelty in the World, but CNN has watered down the facts to ease the evening’s digestion. I sense all of us have prior family history that allowed us our places here today on this forum through the use of theft and violence. I cannot find argument in myself with this justification that I am incorrect.

[quote=Moderator Jason]

Our forefathers discovered long ago that we have no choice but to stand together in our communities and it is only when we allow our communities to become divided into the strong and the weak that we suffer the fate of social disorder.  Whether social disorder is even a possibility is up for discussion and debate, but regardless of what the future looks like, at CM.com our goal is to strengthen and enrich our communities as much as possible because the reality is that we have no choice but to face the future together.

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As much as possible, yes! So, our communities will be divided from those who wish us harm, yes?

[quote=Moderator Jason]

While it is not clear that this thread has crossed that line, to a casual visitor it very well might seem that way.  Indeed, some long-time users seem to have become confused about the intention of this thread.

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Yes, the thread appears to be devolving. It seems that without order, human nature takes on its true color …

[quote=Moderator Jason]

Our position is this: The individual must be strong because the community must be strong, not because the community will be forsaken.

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Then show me a community that has its sights set on common sense and reality, because frankly, without it, a community is forsaken…

~ VF ~

  • Sat, Jun 12, 2010 - 08:03pm

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Nacci,

I have a minute so….

I understand your reasoning.  And yes, it’s cold reality that the weak may not survive (IMO, the groups that you singled out are not the weak but the strong as far as humanity is concerned).  But as has been said, this may not be the best place to discuss.  

VF, I like your reasoning….as usual.

  • Sat, Jun 12, 2010 - 08:10pm

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[quote=Moderator Jason]

The individual must be strong because the community must be strong, not because the community will be foresaken.

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I’d like to gently and respectfully offer the following thought on the preceding comment: Please realize, Jason, that your sentiment is a but a hope not an inevitability by any means. — and hopes are often quite unrealistic.

An amendment to your near-perfect and poetic axiom could read: The individual must be strong because the community must be strong and because the community may be forsaken.

  • Sat, Jun 12, 2010 - 08:49pm

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Let me clarify.  In my original post I was not attempting to criticize anybody who had already posted on the thread.  If your post has not been moderated, then it is probably OK.  In fact I appreciate the job all of you have done to keep this thread civil.  My post was a warning to all users to please keep the thread within the boundaries that it appeared ready to cross.  My apologies: I should have been clearer.

This website is about strengthening our communities.  It says so in our forum rules.  The line is crossed when anybody advocates pre-emptive violence against anybody else.  I am only restating the same standards of non-violence and committment to strengthening our communities that this website has always had.

Perhaps through simple poor choice of language, some posts on this thread appeared to many readers to come close to the line.  So close that there was significant confusion even among veteran users, and a lot of email.

Most of the users on this thread know these standards well, and have done an admirable job of staying within the boundaries.  

And I am only asking and reminding other users – who may not have posted yet – to please continue to keep these standards clearly in mind while posting on this thread, as each of you have done up until now, so that this discussion does not run off the tracks.

Thank you all.

  • Sat, Jun 12, 2010 - 08:50pm

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    Re: Collapsenet Going Viral?

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You make good points, but the moderators are asking we not continute that line of discussion.  IMO it may not be so much that it’s not an important thing to think about (I think it is very important myself), but rather it has potential to work against the primary mission of getting more people to see the Crash Course and raising awareness that big changes are coming.  It’s not as though the wrong element will really be picking up useful tips or learning anything new here (most have lived a lifetime of being predators and don’t require lessons), but the discussion does skirt the line where it could scare off new and old site visitors alike.  Heck, I  cringed a little bit at how Nacci’s initial words came across, even though I understood the context.  This site’s main mission is still to spread the word, and discussions like this are outside that scope.  As much as we’d like this site to be one-size-fits-all, I don’t see how that can be easily done and still stay focused on the original purpose. 

I know there are other sites out there that are more comfortable discussing these kinds of implications and scenarios for purposes of preparedness, though I find some of them questionable.  Perhaps there’s an opportunity for one of us to develop a site that can be more for people already aware and is more preparation or action-oriented, where uncomfortable discussions can be had without spooking those who are new to all this?  Collapsenet is a good example, though it is more focused on forming networks than forum discussions.

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