Collapsenet Going Viral?
Maybe cold analysis, but truth none the less. I really appreciate thinking about the sort of scenario that Nacci describes. Very frightening, but exactly what we need to think upon to prepare for safety as best we can. It’s not enough to plant and store and save.
Aggressive maybe, but what kind of a survivor are you really?
Would we allow ourselves to be the captives?
Would we take by force what others have to feed our loved ones? Wow.
[quote=Nacci] If I were so inclined, my target on the Eastern U.S. would be the Amish, They have everything that you would need to prosper in a post collapse world in place including some of the finest, most remote farm land available and they are largely pacifists. You would have to subjugate, not kill these people because they possess the generational knowledge necessary to continue production. [/quote]
Now we are discussing plans to plunder and enslave the Amish? I’ve got family that are Amish you chicken-s[ * * * ] mother f[ * * * ]. Nacci, if I were sitting across the “dinner table” from you and you said this, I would have choked you out and pissed on your unconscious body.
I’m so proud to be a member of the “community of Bubba”. What a joke this site has become.
Tod is right, today the “theoretical” target is the Amish, tomorrow the target is each one of us.
If I were so inclined, here is my plan:
First I would take Dr. M’s family hostage and then [Ed note: Redacted]
Bottomline: When the shit hits the fan, your going to be my b[ * * * ]s.
Gee, I hope nobody took offense to that! If so, “please notify Jason and let him decide if I crossed the line”.
Being a part of this community just makes you a target to a bunch of freaking whack-jobs. Who needs that [ * * * ]?
[Moderator’s note: I do not need to explain why this comment is inappropriate. This violates our forum rules on many levels, and is not acceptable.]
Whoa Jeff, please just take a step back.
I recognize that the statement taken on its own is eyebrow-raising, but taken in the context of the previous few posts it is my opinion that Nacci was just continuing an exercise to look at the situation the way a group of thugs or criminals might. Nacci seemed to say as much himself in his follow-up post. Yes it’s a very unpleasant thought, but sometimes we need to think about these unpleasant possibilities so we know what future difficulties we may be up against. Perhaps in hindsight it would have been better if he made that more clear beforehand (perhaps stating “from the thugs’ point of view” or “this is just a thought exercise and not condoning such thing”) to avoid confusion, but given the context of the discussion I don’t see any malice there. A somewhat coldly logical analysis, but no malice.
Just stumbled on this exciting thread. My suggestion…if TSHT, you guys all take over the nearest Walmart..food, fuel, water, rest rooms, garden supplies, ammo, everything. Made out of cinder blocks and with only a few areas of unprotected entry. You could put snipers on the roof and withstand anything except a military force.
What, Jason, oops, just kidding..if TSHTF you can find me at Ben and Jerry’s having a final sundae with hot fudge and Cherry Garcia.
I am of the opinion that Nacci was not saying anything that Aaoron has posted here in regards to the types of people that will be crawling out from under the rocks. It certainly is true that these types will target the easiest low hanging fruit first.
This may seem off topic but the American Gov. does this very thing in many ways at the present time. Look at who we go to war with. Look at who gets audited by the IRS. The overwhelming majority of people in prison are non violent drug offenders. These same drug offenders then become employees in Unicorp for pennies on the hour.
It is axiomatic that the strong will pray on the weak. Stating the obvious here or anywhere else does not make it any less obvious to those who understand what we might be facing. It can be quite productive if it moves people to form tight community bonds and prepare for such an eventuality.
I would hope you would see it that way and make an apology for your post. Members have been suspended for less and you are a valuable asset here. I would hate to see you banned. Many of us are under a great deal of stress just thinking about the uncharted waters we are sailing into.
On a different note I am glad to see you have some fire in your belly. Let’s save it for those who truly deserve it like uh. Tony , Ben, Timmy etc.
oops , I go out to make strawberry preserves and come back to be subjugated . I do not plan on putting my name on any lists and David you put TMI with even having your whole name here .
While I hope to be raptured out of here before all hell brakes loose and the zombies come out this far , I have no promise of that happening … so I prepare . I have NO trust that the Govt . nor TPTB will care of me and mine. I know there is only three days food supply in the grocery store . I know I can not do everything myself so friends and communities are a must .
If my name was on here it would take no time to find us but you would have to get by some pretty heavy artillery and those that know how to use it to get here. I would love to have some of you all come to our community BUT you had better come with loads of chocolate and I do not trust many here anyway .
. I am so glad I am not stuck in the city where I would not know my neighbor , but each to his own. Even a town of three thousand will be to big in my opinion because there is surely some that would expect something for nothing .
I love seeing the sun set , the sun rise ,and the stars . I love the smell of plowed dirt and fresh mown hay . I am learning to be content with what I have and take joy in the simple pleasures . Truly it is a sad state we find ourselves in as a country and a world . How many times must things be wiped clean and start again ,and we still find ourselves in the same situation . Today there is such arrogant assertation of human will and independence that we forget the creator … forget our purpose . If we are only concerned with our own pleasure we will lead empty lives going on in endless empty repetition. It will lead to despair . We really face the question of”What is life all about ?”
So the Collapse net ??? Trust has to be earned . Not sure you can do it on the net .
Well said V. I couldn’t have said it better myself.
JAG, I’m disappointed that I missed your post before it was axed by the Admin. I would like you to replicate it to me in a PM so that I can respond, also in PM, Nacci
No problem. I read it wrong. I didn’t flag your post, so no issues here.
[quote=LogansRun] I don’t have a lot of time so…..Thanks for the tip! I know this was said in innocence, but really……….That’s almost like saying: “I know Dr. Martenson has PM’s and probably not the best shot because he wears glasses so….” Not really, but you get the idea…I would hope. In the future, I wouldn’t suggest putting “aggressive” idea’s out on the forum. Cheers! [/quote]
This was not a tip nor was it said in innocence, it was an example used to illustrate deggleton’s suggested scenario in post # 55. The same could easily be said for the Mennonites in Mexico which are surrounded by some of the most ruthless, heavily armed gangs in the world. Whether CM is the place to voice such realities is up for debate. Flag my post and let Jason decide. Having said that, I read many of your posts LogansRun and respect you. I can also see that some may view my cold analysis of the situation as beyond the pale. This was not my intent. Nacci.
oops , I go out to make strawberry preserves and come back to be subjugated . I do not plan on putting my name on any lists and David you put TMI with even having your whole name here .[/quote]
FWIW, I wrote out of my sense of a life worth living, which produces an inability to see anything in preparing to win some fights to the finish, before losing one. Even if I postpone commitment to using battle weapons and skills, I could not invest time and energy in acquiring them; it would be a sort of death. If I cannot be among those free in spirit and love, although enslaved or paying tribute, I might as well be dead.
My hope is in my potential productivity (working relationship with nature) and effectiveness (working relationships with humans). I will not hide.