Collapsenet Going Viral?

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2010 - 03:45pm

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    Re: Collapsenet Going Viral?

[quote=rickets]

I see both sides to this Collapsenet/Ruppert analysis.  If his information is great, perhaps its unwise to judge him on presentation/how he comes across.

However, in this specific situation, isnt character everything?  If we are as close to collapse as Ruppert suggests, do you want to follow his lead if he is emotionally overcharged, overconfident/pompass…etc?  I dont know if he is or isnt any of these things, but the videos I have seen of him make me think I dont want to hang out with him.  His Zombie comments make me think he is the last guy in the world I want to hang out with if TSHTF.  I want level heads….good information….low drama…..low arrogance around me if the collapse happens.

So, dont judge the book by his cover…agree.  But, in extreme stress (war/collapse/emergency/etc) I would say calm heads and character mean more than anything.

My two cents.  Oh, and while the site says your specific information/location will not be disclosed unless you authorize it you should know its likely the people running the site know exactly where you are. 

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This is a very good post. So, I take it that you too were a little put off by the “sky is falling” feel of the site? 

  • Wed, Jun 09, 2010 - 03:53pm

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Hi VF,

Thanks for your comments. For the record, like Morpheus said earlier, I wish Ruppert the best. In my opinion, this guy is a self-absorbed loser. But hey, Brittney Spears had a following of something like half of America on a similar platform. Whatever works.

In my opinion, the “grown ups” will follow leadership of people like CM, not MR. But we need a lot more than just the grown-ups. We need the masses. If this offensively pompous, self-important loser jerk and pathetic excuse for a human being Mike Ruppert can somehow shape his own narcissism into a format that brings more people to awareness of the real problems, I’m all for it. Or at least I am 80% of the time, anyway! And yes, I’m holding back in terms of saying what I really think of the guy, but hey, we do have posting guidelines to abide by here… 🙂

I found the video you chose to include rather ironic. The whole message of the video is “make it about the movement, and treat your first followers as equals. Never make it about yourself; make it about the movement.” That’s good advice Ruppert would do well to heed.

FWIW, I think the ideal is actually somewhere pretty close to the middle of the two extremes represented by CM and MR. MR is just an idiot and that’s obvious to most mature people [Ed. note: That crosses the line a bit Erik.  Please refrain from insulting other members.]. But his zeal and passion will appeal to the less educated crowd. [Ed. note: This is also an insult.] CM goes too far to be “unemotional and stable” in my opinion. You need to get people excited and ready to act. CM is so obsessed with being academically defensible in his arguments that he is unwilling to resort to tactics of influence. Definitely laudable in a perfect world, but in the real world sometimes you have to not only have the right idea, but be ready to sell your idea. That said, given the choice between two extremes I’ll continue to support CM and leave MR to entertain the people who respond more favorably to his style.

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2010 - 04:01pm

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Erik,

First of all, CM is not “unemotional” even in his writings, but I think he tries to elevate reason over emotion, which is good.  This lends him a huge element of credibility that is sorely lacking among many.

  • Wed, Jun 09, 2010 - 04:18pm

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While I am a  bit turned off by Ruppert’s public speaking style and I’m not–having taken some time to review it–interested in joining his site, I think calling him a “loser/jerk”  and a “pathetic excuse for a human being” is way out of line.  Such an unqualified attack on someone is surely as pompous and pathetic.

In my opinion, Ruppert’s effort to facilitate geographic awareness among the concerned is genuine.  I also admire is willingness to take a stand and give heart-felt advice during QandA sessions.   And the “sky is falling” feel is no more evident at his site than it is in many of the posts here.

I view his efforts as concrete and socially constructive.  It appears that some on here are simply interested in figuring out how to make a buck off of decline by figuring out the right short and futures positions.  In my opinion, that’s the sort of short-sighted, selfish mentality that got us in these predicaments in the first place.  You add to that the sort of ego that allows someone to call someone else a pathetic excuse for a human being and its a potent mix of azzhole imo.

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2010 - 04:18pm

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[quote=LogansRun]

Man, people are harsh.  I see what Erik is saying about MR in that he comes across as a pompous ass and a know it all.  But being as my life has revolved around reading people, I see a man that feels he’s being vindicated in some manner.  I see a man who has been laughed at, shot at, his life taken away from him, etc…finally getting what he perceives as his due.  

What I’m seeing from some on this site is similar….”What I say and think is much more important than what you or anyone else seems to say or think”.  Again, it comes down to what I call the ‘Spoiled Child Syndrome’….”I’m right your wrong, no matter whether I’m right or wrong!”

IMO, if you don’t want to pay to see what happens, then don’t pay.  If you have an issue with his site or the way he comes across, don’t pay.  But also, don’t chastise the people that have decided that it may be in their best interest to join.  It’s their life and their choice, not yours.

As for the site itself, I’m reserving my thoughts and am going to give it some time to develop.  Personally, I understand that it was done by people that gave their time for free, and that it may not be perfect for some time.  But I’m glad that it’s up and running and that I’ll have the opportunity to either watch it grow or watch it go away.  If it works, it works.  If not, so be it.

Best as always. 

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Im with you, Dude, this is a harsh audience.

I have been following Mike Ruppert’s “From The Wilderness” Blog, read all his books and watched his movies.  I was a beta tester for his site.   I subscribe to only two sites:  CM and Collapsenet.   I agree with most of the views of both sites and disagree with some views.

My work life is saturated in the enviromental issues and the energy issues so I know that side pretty well. 

Where CM and it’s members provide insight is my biggest blind spot – the Economy.  However, another blindspot (that we on CM walk around) falls into the category of conspiracy.  I understand why CM keeps it in the contraversal topics forum and I respect that.   At the same time, CM reports and the discussions otten acknowledge questionable central bank, political and TPTB motives.  Following policy, CM folks do not offer theories or little information as to the motives and the domestic/geopolitical manipulations that are going on behind the scenes. 

Personally, I dont want to know what motives or what these organizations behind closed doors are up to.   This middle income guy in Wyoming just needs to know if his family is on their radar screen as collateral damage, what to do to protect them and how to prepare for the future.

This is where Mike fills the niche.  He is not afraid to research and provide analysis into these issues.  He has clearly seen the side of government that we dont want to know about.  He uses a logical approach when digging into what is unfolding ie motive, means, opportunity.   The lifeboat dock map is a cool idea but secondary to the insight he provides.  That in itself is well worth the $10/month.

Personality wise, I agree with ErikT.  Ruppert is an egotistical, obnoxious guy.   I dont want to hang out with the guy.  I dont care how it’s delivered as long as it is a good product.   From a compassion standpoint, the paranoia, doom saying and constant state of awareness has taken it’s toll on him.    From my perspective, that inflated ego is a fragile shell to protect himself from a gloomy view of reality.

As far as the disappointments with the site.  Give the guys a break here!  I got to work with it in the beginning.  It has come A LONG way.  It has a long way to go.  They did it with volunteers. And to get it to everyone’s standards, it is going to take $$$$.   They are motivated not by $$$$ but by a vision.  As stated above, this vision isnt a priority for me but I respect their efforts. 

As far as, privacy and the scenerio where someone uses the map as a visitor’s guide to looting.  Let’s face it, everyone.  if you are on the net, complete privacy is a pipedream.   I worked as a Unix system administrator for awhile.  All the information they need flows right through the wires and is at their fingertips. One friend on this site was concerned that the map could be used by our government to identify militia groups or resources to confiscate. With access to high powered computers, server clusters, organized talent in programming and hacking, literally centuries of experience in decoding encrypted information,  there is absolutely nothing that is safe on the net or off.  That being said if you are worried about privacy, first dont put your REAL name on the map or your ACTUAL location.   Second, screen everyone first with email.  Get to know them.  If you get a sinking feeling about them, let the go away.  Third, regardless of whether you are on internet or not, have a defensive strategy.  My strategy is that what I have to loot is NOT worth the trouble of looting it.

IMHO Ruppert is a tortured guy who got sick of just sitting around stewing over doom in his retirement and decided enough is enough.  He decided to put himself out there – the good, the bad and the ugly.  He decided to help people in the process.  His view of the future is NOT mine.  But, he is working to make a better future.  For that, Ruppert and his site deserves a break. 

  • Wed, Jun 09, 2010 - 04:37pm

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Erik,

then I sense it to be a race to the very bottom of the gene pool then … ?

As enabler catalists go, there are many different ways to skin a cat. As with rhetoric, I consider that consensus will determine the tipping point, and maybe a Narcisistic Personality Disorder (NPD) laid plain and with its head above the crowd getting its head blown off with its own gun could also be the sacrifice necessary in getting the message out? After all, I conclude that many an American President has such a supposed flawed personality disorder? Noted, with your exception, there are others that linger here with just such disorders …

There are books and films aplenty by Ruppert. He has indeed “Done His Homework“. For that, if I see the message I write here has equal value at Collapse.net, I’ll write my thoughts there also, as and when the time comes. Nothing is inferred however, I allow my boots to stand in both camps, if camps must be …

Simply put, the film Collapse has worked a great deal better in most respects with group meetings that I’ve established. However, starting in with the Crash Course was and still remains a difficult task. “Collapse” has allowed an opening for people to then watch the Crash Course series, so I’ve found both tools working in unison an advantage.

My respect for Chris Martenson runs deep, as I’m sure you are aware with my writing. I wouldn’t have continued on here on many an occasion if it weren’t for that calm, clear and precise mind that drives the forums along. However, I do wish at times that there were a something – yes, a something – a something that I cannot quite define – that was in place here that drew more of a larger cross section of the public. Maybe, as you’ll note from where you write, what I’m saying is, maybe it is, as yet,  Lost In Translation … 

Respectfully,

Paul

  • Wed, Jun 09, 2010 - 06:10pm

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While I am a  bit turned off by Ruppert’s public speaking style and I’m not–having taken some time to review it–interested in joining his site, I think calling him a “loser/jerk”  and a “pathetic excuse for a human being” is way out of line.  Such an unqualified attack on someone is surely as pompous and pathetic.

In my opinion, Ruppert’s effort to facilitate geographic awareness among the concerned is genuine.  I also admire is willingness to take a stand and give heart-felt advice during QandA sessions.   And the “sky is falling” feel is no more evident at his site than it is in many of the posts here.

I view his efforts as concrete and socially constructive.  It appears that some on here are simply interested in figuring out how to make a buck off of decline by figuring out the right short and futures positions.  In my opinion, that’s the sort of short-sighted, selfish mentality that got us in these predicaments in the first place.  You add to that the sort of ego that allows someone to call someone else a pathetic excuse for a human being and its a potent mix of azzhole imo.

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My sentiments exactly, wildjo. +1!

Wow Erik. You’ve got a real chip on your shoulder for this guy. What’s the matter? Bad day on the stock market for ya?

 

  • Wed, Jun 09, 2010 - 06:23pm

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[quote=Erik T.]

But his zeal and passion will appeal to the less educated crowd. CM goes too far to be “unemotional and stable” in my opinion. You need to get people excited and ready to act. CM is so obsessed with being academically defensible in his arguments that he is unwilling to resort to tactics of influence. Definitely laudable in a perfect world, but in the real world sometimes you have to not only have the right idea, but be ready to sell your idea. 

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The subject matter covered in the Crash Course causes such emotion when understood that to add individual emotion to that delivery would lessen the impact of the facts.   It would distract from the message.   When things really start to go awry, calm, fact-filled reporting and advice will have more impact.  CM is a classy, gracious guy.  To turn up the hype volume here would be a mistake.

Personally, I find that I am distracted by MR’s emotion and agitation so much so that I couldn’t finish his film.  Full screen close ups of highly emotional people are best left to professional actors and 10 second news bits.  But so what.   I did find his predictions at the talk in VT interesting and scary, and his public quest for a toke at the end of the evening funny.  Those small details about daily coping really bring it home for me (no, i don’t smoke).   He has reached and will reach a lot of people and that is as good as it needs to be.  I like jazz and you like heavy metal – it’s all music and can be distilled back to I ii IV V I.

Erik T., your punishment for being so snobby is that, in my mind, I’ve dressed you in a stained, white, wife beater t-shirt instead of that casual, but expensive, navy blue number you have on in your picture. 

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  Lost In Translation … 

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Very nice diversion Paul .. My own Renaissance Di-Version

  • Wed, Jun 09, 2010 - 07:21pm

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[quote=Vanityfox451]

  Lost In Translation … 

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Very nice diversion Paul .. My own Renaissance Di-Version

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Ahh Tom,

As ever, beautiful artwork, and such impeccable timing on your part too!!! So, what the hey, a little distraction from Mary Ellen’ statement, with what I have to admit is more than a worthy truth …

There are far too many Charlotte’s wandering misunderstood in the world; much in that the World misunderstands Charlotte …

As Ever,

Paul

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