Collapsenet Going Viral?

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2010 - 04:38am

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    Re: Collapsenet Going Viral?

Once again I’m underwhelmed by Mike Ruppert.

I know the man supposedly has no money, but the site looks amateurish. And, please, no mention of zombies on your homepage. I agree with you, Morph, that nothing can be found there that can’t be found at CM.com in spades.

The predecessor to his new website, the film Collapse, though apparently impressive to many — including, most notably, iconic film critic Roger Ebert — I found to be a rather lame rehashing of well-trodden ground and boring to the point of unfinishable.

And, no, I don’t buy the defense that it’s intended for the “mainstream” or “lay person.” If that’s the case then it’s even more of a disappointment as I can’t imagine many people coming away from the documentary not more or less agreeing with Erik’s take of Ruppert as obnoxious, pompous, and self-important. Not to mention the fact that he says that it’s too late for anything to be done preparation wise, including even at the personal level.

In many ways — and I think someone here may have already expressed a similar sentiment on another thread — I find him to be the anti-Chris Martenson. While I basically agree with Ruppert’s most fundamental and distilled message, including the concept of lifeboat communities, I most definitely do not want this man as my ambassador to the uninitiated of the world regarding the subject at hand.

Also, to pre-empt any potential pro/anti-Ruppert exchanges, I don’t dislike him — insofar as I can even say that never having met him — or think that he shouldn’t be doing what he’s doing. In fact, I wish his site viral success. I just think his approach stinks. And, of course, pompous buffoons can have big hearts and be well-intentioned.

Lastly, you’ve got a good point there, Nacci. Have to give it some more thought.

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…obnoxious, pompous, self-important buffoon he truly is…

Sounds like sour grapes to me. Why belittle a man whose trying to help society? I don’t see your name behind any books or movies. 

Pretty sad.

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mainecooncat said:

I just think his approach stinks. And, of course, pompous buffoons can have big hearts and be well-intentioned.

Please elaborate on your understanding of his approach. I’m curious. I’m really neither pro/anti CM nor the same for Ruppert. I go where the information is and how valid I perceive it to be. I have not seen any type of derogatory words used by anyone in the Ruppert camp directed this way, so it seems kind of odd having it coming from the CM site. Childish behavior really. I guess that’s what kids do when [Ed. note: Careful . . . ] they feel threatened by someone they perceive as competition.

I’m sure this thread will be locked shut before too long. No sense in wasting anymore time on a pissing match.

  • Wed, Jun 09, 2010 - 09:02am

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I think the differences between Mike Ruppert and CM are this:  CM is steadfast, unemotional and objective.  Mike Ruppert, on the other hand is quite emotional and now that he’s finally being recognized for his work, he is gloating some.  I think both of them are very bright men, are well meaning and have an ability to sift through the data and predict what future trends will be.  

yes, I think it would be best if Ruppert would remain unemotional when he gives a presentation.  Having said that I do find his talks to be quite insightfull and informative.  I recommend watching some of his old youtube videos and you’ll find he really knows what he’s talking about.  He’s been a peak oil/debt crisis harbinger for quite some time.

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Must say I am extremely disappointed.

I just joined this site – paid my $10 – after watching the 15 minute video about what you get.   I clicked on the lifeboat docks link to see who was in my area that I could connect with and all I get is a completely blank page.  Not even any map.  Or message to say there is nobody.  Just nothing.  (doesn’t even show me).

Plus – it takes forever to load the pages.  It could just be my computer but no other site seems to do that.

Or maybe it is TPTB interfering …. (twilight zone music playing).  This maybe getting too “controversial” now. 

Would be very interested to hear how other users are finding it / found it.

I was really looking forward to using this site to find like minded people – but alas it seems not to work well.  Atleast at the moment.

I am very disgruntled after all the hype of his video clips.

PS 660 members when I joined.  (Hope I don’t end up being number 666!)

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[quote=Amanda V]

Must say I am extremely disappointed.

I just joined this site – paid my $10 – after watching the 15 minute video about what you get.   I clicked on the lifeboat docks link to see who was in my area that I could connect with and all I get is a completely blank page.  Not even any map.  Or message to say there is nobody.  Just nothing.  (doesn’t even show me).

Plus – it takes forever to load the pages.  It could just be my computer but no other site seems to do that.

Or maybe it is TPTB interfering …. (twilight zone music playing).  This maybe getting too “controversial” now. 

Would be very interested to hear how other users are finding it / found it.

I was really looking forward to using this site to find like minded people – but alas it seems not to work well.  Atleast at the moment.

I am very disgruntled after all the hype of his video clips.

PS 660 members when I joined.  (Hope I don’t end up being number 666!)

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I’m extremely disappointed also, I did the “what the heck, I’ll try ten bucks” thing to gain access to the interactive map that shows people in my area. (I want to start a meetup group and figured this would be a cheap way to tell what interest there is).

The site also has an impending calamity aura to it that strikes me as way too “the sky is falling”. Ruppert, who is 1% less accurate that Erik, seems to be pushing a fear mongering scheme more than a public service. 

The map may or may not be worth the 10 bucks. We’ll see how this grows. 

Still, at almost 670 members in a little over 24 hours, I am surprised at how much I underestimated the awareness that “something is really really wrong, far worse than the MSM is admitting” is out there. The entire point of this thread actually. 

  • Wed, Jun 09, 2010 - 11:05am

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Man, people are harsh.  I see what Erik is saying about MR in that he comes across as a pompous ass and a know it all.  But being as my life has revolved around reading people, I see a man that feels he’s being vindicated in some manner.  I see a man who has been laughed at, shot at, his life taken away from him, etc…finally getting what he perceives as his due.  

What I’m seeing from some on this site is similar….”What I say and think is much more important than what you or anyone else seems to say or think”.  Again, it comes down to what I call the ‘Spoiled Child Syndrome’….”I’m right your wrong, no matter whether I’m right or wrong!”

IMO, if you don’t want to pay to see what happens, then don’t pay.  If you have an issue with his site or the way he comes across, don’t pay.  But also, don’t chastise the people that have decided that it may be in their best interest to join.  It’s their life and their choice, not yours.

As for the site itself, I’m reserving my thoughts and am going to give it some time to develop.  Personally, I understand that it was done by people that gave their time for free, and that it may not be perfect for some time.  But I’m glad that it’s up and running and that I’ll have the opportunity to either watch it grow or watch it go away.  If it works, it works.  If not, so be it.

Best as always. 

  • Wed, Jun 09, 2010 - 12:46pm

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I like the idea of the lifeboat map.  this is what I origianlly wanted when I came to CM site.  Last year when we started prepping, all I could think about was how I wanted to find other people like us.  Now I’m a little bit more protective about what we have. 

But maybe this is away to find other preppers in an emergency, that’s always in the back of my mind if we have to leave.  My Husband thinks that Survivalblog.com offers the exact same thing and is still free.  I’m going to watch it grow and wait and see…

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[quote=Erik T.]@VanityFox

Interesting how we see things so differently. I too strongly encourage anyone considering joining collapsenet to watch that video first. But in my case, it’s for a completely different reason… I assume that any level headed person viewing the video would recognize Michael Ruppert for the obnoxious, pompous, self-important buffoon he truly is, and know better than to get involved with any organization he creates. Right idea, wrong guy.

Just my ever-humble opinion… Oh, and by the way, I’m right about everything 81% of the time. I don’t have any credible data whatsoever to back up that assertion, but maybe if I say it over and over again every 10 seconds or so, people will be dumb enough to believe it. Seems to work for Ruppert… Did I mention I’m right 81% of the time?

Erik

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Hello Erik,

There is, I fear, probably more momentum expected at Collapse.net over the next 2 months, by association of membership numbers, than the 31,000 registered members, and the probable 300,000 unregistered lurkers, that have been brought together over the last 2 years of hard work by Dr Martenson here. I believe that time will indeed tell, as to whether the quality of that membership number will be of a similar standard, as that set by CM.com, and of those 1.5 million viewing’s of his Crash Course series to date.

As ever, the timing of this website by Mike Ruppert, just as quantitative easing is on route for its second phase in the global debacle, and your recent excellent article on Peak Oil hold sway, the ever stronger proof to the caliber of the future is surely, and by the dint of this future reality, should  we say that certain people are somewhat owed their 15 minutes in the sun?

If the image of the future has to be built on public relations, then much of the hard work that has been achieved at CM.com, may, in truth, hold itself back by cause of the almost benign and politically/religious bipartisan nature of Chris Martenson himself. In many respects, as a cancer is viral, then should we then say that Collapse.net, by its creator therefore, is malignant? By quality or quantity, and by comparison, does Ruppert cause more harm to the Martenson movement – or does Ruppert build better awareness to the value of the Martenson movement – or, do each, by turn, fight court from opposite corner’s of the rich pickings of awareness, perpetuating not just the value compiled within each, but the necessary message within each?

I have no more faith in altruism. Selfishness, however, is a perpetuator, and I thank Ayn Rand for clarification. There is, in both camps, an important point that should be brought forth, and that, simply, and undeniably, can be found in the underlying monologue that runs perpetually under the surface of every post, in every quadrant of this, and every other website with a similar message. The words, as mantra are –  “What is in it for me – What is in it for me – What is in it for me … “. 

IMHO – In truth, from reading and watching Chris Martenson for almost 2 years, I am humbled by his apparent sacrifice. The journey taken by Ruppert and Martenson are quite different by expression of passion, yet, with an ever shrinking time-limit, there messages are similar. It is the momentum behind the message that is different, as is the candor, but the humility appears much the same …

Failing all of the above, human nature, at its finest, laid bare, with the consensus born in the majority : –

Derek Sivers makes further clarity still …

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The Mirror, it’s about you, not them

If you see a gorgeous painting that fascinates you, does it matter if you find out the artist hasn’t paid her taxes? Would you stop enjoying the painting?

If someone shows you a great way to memorize names, does it matter if you find out that person is an alcoholic? Would you no longer trust their memorization techniques?

From 1967 to 1976, James Brown made the best funk music ever heard. (You owe it to yourself to get In the Jungle Groove if you haven’t.) He was my biggest musical influence. I’m such a huge fan, I named my band after him. But when working at Warner/Chappell Music in the early 90s, they told me he was coming to the office, I went home early to avoid meeting him. I didn’t want the complete flawed man to taint that flawless music that changed my life.

When I bought the book “Getting Things Done”, it had the author’s picture on it, so I ripped the cover off. I don’t care who David Allen is. This book is about me getting things done, not him and his stupid face.

Maybe both seem silly, but it was important to me to always remember that what matters is what I get out of their work, not the person that made it.

After I interviewed Tim Ferriss, some people said, “But he comes across too cocky.”

After I interviewed Amber Rubarth, some people said, “But she’s only successful because she’s so pretty.”

After I interviewed Tom Williams, some people said, “But there’s some controversy about his new company.”

I hear that as, “Now that I’ve proven they’re not perfect, I don’t have to apply any of the lessons from their story.

But that’s missing the point that those articles are really about you, not them.

You would benefit from micro-testing the effectiveness of your actions, or interning to understand your gatekeeper, or persisting every day for a year and a half, no matter who was sharing those lessons.

All that really matters is what you do with the ideas there. Apply them to your own life in your own way.

It was never about them. It’s about you.

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~ VF ~

With a big thank you to EricG for the heads-up to the film, and, as always, a big thank you to TED: Ideas Worth Spreading, for the revenue they got from advertising IBM and Repsol. Luckily, a friend was here to administer the Heimlich Maneuver, after I inadvertently inhaled my own tongue …

  • Wed, Jun 09, 2010 - 03:18pm

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I see both sides to this Collapsenet/Ruppert analysis.  If his information is great, perhaps its unwise to judge him on presentation/how he comes across.

However, in this specific situation, isnt character everything?  If we are as close to collapse as Ruppert suggests, do you want to follow his lead if he is emotionally overcharged, overconfident/pompass…etc?  I dont know if he is or isnt any of these things, but the videos I have seen of him make me think I dont want to hang out with him.  His Zombie comments make me think he is the last guy in the world I want to hang out with if TSHTF.  I want level heads….good information….low drama…..low arrogance around me if the collapse happens.

So, dont judge the book by his cover…agree.  But, in extreme stress (war/collapse/emergency/etc) I would say calm heads and character mean more than anything.

My two cents.  Oh, and while the site says your specific information/location will not be disclosed unless you authorize it you should know its likely the people running the site know exactly where you are. 

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