Collapsenet Going Viral?

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  • Mon, Jun 21, 2010 - 01:23pm

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Morpheus,

I hope those handcuffs are gold, not some chrome-plated garbage.

 

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  • Sat, Jun 26, 2010 - 01:29am

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As far as the disappointments with the site.  Give the guys a break here!  I got to work with it in the beginning.  It has come A LONG way.  It has a long way to go.  They did it with volunteers. And to get it to everyone’s standards, it is going to take $$$$.   They are motivated not by $$$$ but by a vision.  As stated above, this vision isnt a priority for me but I respect their efforts. 

 

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With all due respect, these days just about anyone could have put together a better site over a weekend using an out of the box CMS. It does not take a lot of money or months to set up a functioning website. I have a site that’s been running for 11 years with private membership areas, public areas, access to databases, 100,000 hits a day. Total cost to run per month? Under $100.00, cost to set up? other than my time, Nil, everything was freeware or opensource.

Collapsenet is an apt name, I can’t believe anyone who knew anything about website design is involved in this thing.  The site just about stalled my 2GHZ – 2gigs of ram computer when it tried to load.

  • Sat, Jun 26, 2010 - 09:37am

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I have to say, I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I’m in a position that $10 her and $10 there doesn’t mean a whole hell of a lot.  That’s not the case with many people.  The one thing that I’m very disappointed with thus far is MR’s contributions.  He’s almost non existent thus far.  That’s not good!  It’s their first month, he should be on the airwaves, writing, etc….as much as absolutely possible.  I would imagine the vast majority of members thus far are month to month and if they don’t get what they’re looking for immediately, they’ll bail.  And believe me when I say, it’s going to be MUCH harder to get them to spend that $10 a month again!  We’ll see.

  • Sat, Jun 26, 2010 - 02:06pm

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I have to say, I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt at this point, but I’m in a position that $10 her and $10 there doesn’t mean a whole hell of a lot.  That’s not the case with many people.  The one thing that I’m very disappointed with thus far is MR’s contributions.  He’s almost non existent thus far.  That’s not good!  It’s their first month, he should be on the airwaves, writing, etc….as much as absolutely possible.  I would imagine the vast majority of members thus far are month to month and if they don’t get what they’re looking for immediately, they’ll bail.  And believe me when I say, it’s going to be MUCH harder to get them to spend that $10 a month again!  We’ll see.

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I think all one will get is a regular regurgitattion of what MR has already stated time and again on the old blog and in his books. To people not new to Peak oil and all it entails I can’t see much benefit. To those who are just starting to clue in they won’t see it as a “one trick pony” act and might hang about for a bit, but there are many other sites like this one, LATOC, Archdruid where these issues have been covered in great detail for free……

  • Tue, Jun 29, 2010 - 03:54pm

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Amanda, I am the developer who made CollapseNet, and am no longer associated with CollapseNet or have any involvement, and I cannot comment on any specifics.

I would like to tell you about my new project, http://themercuryproject.org/ (yes, there is no site visible there yet).

Last year, I was heavily involved with both the Zeitgeist Movement/Venus Project and the Transition Towns. As is standard in Transition Towns, we locate our resources and plot them on an interactive map. The Venus Project is creating an enormous database of all the earth’s resources. Also, Jacque Fresco, the futurist and visionary my wife and I had the pleasure of meeting in January, has great ideas about how technology and social networking can be used to help us intelligently manage the earths resources for the good of the Earth and all the people on it.

The Mercury Project is forming, ONLY as a non-profit. Our software will be open source and freely available to everyone who wants it, wether Transition Towns, this site if you want. Regarding CollapseNet and the Map software, I cannot comment on that. But I will tell you that using entirely open source software (Joomla) and off the shelf and mostly free components, a powerful website with Social Networking, Video, Map, Blog, Forums, E-Learning, taking credit card can be done in under 2 days. The big work is figuring out site layout. That requires great communication. Trust me that the maps systems that you can buy off the shelf are very fast, and let you connect in minutes. No real programming needed, although I do very heavy duty programming, the big stuff I have has not been released on the internet yet.

I have a new and very powerful map system being released in the next couple of days, which takes Maps to a whole new level.

The Mercury Project is not about web software, its mostly about Grant writing. we want to be an incubator for the Gates foundation, helping school children, college students, and professionals through the process. My project is not just about the currently rich world, but most about the rest of the world that already has a horrible future, a horrible life, where over 20,000 children die every day from preventable diseases and starvation.There’s alot of work that really smart people know how to do, like Permaculture or Soil Restoration,

For income, I think we’ll probably charge a subscription fee for high end sustainability videos and elearning, and everything else is free. 30% of revenue goes back to the people creating the videos, 30% go to pay staff, and 30% goes towards cool Sustainability projects that members vote on, whether soil restoration in Kenya, I want to do extreme sustainability makeovers on communities world wide.

The software that I create has always been intended to help the most people, and I’ll never ever give up on doing that.

One thing I will say about CollapseNet, that has to be said, is that they are making nasty accusations against my wife and threatening her, so I need to start a legal defense fund so she can defend herself. She’s a wonderful, caring, Vietnames lady who I love more than anything else in the world. I cannot say anything about my situation, but I have to say something about hers. She did nothing wrong, never will, yet, she is very scared, so hopefully we can raise some money so she can defend herself from false attacks. I don’t want to go further into that other than to say I need to raise some money, in a trust account or somewhere, I don’t know how to do this, so we can get her defense. This situation is very concerning, and I need to help my wife.

If you guys want a killer website, on the same platform that lots of other sustainability sites use, we can work together, if theres some technology that will help us transition, then myself and the dozens who have helped me and will continue to help me, we’ll get to work, because there is little time to waste, and so much positive work to do. I will build up a team of dozens and dozens of members.

Well, I’ll conclude by saying how much I love the Transition Towns – they have a great, non-threatening face, and we work with local governments, and old people come to our meeting as well as the young. We make real progress, although not as fast as I’d like! There shouldn’t be just one site that has the software that makes a great community, it will be freely and openly available to any and all. If the site doesn’t use Joomla and PHP it is tougher to integrate, but we’ll see what we can do. When people think of Transition software, I hope in the future people could look to TheMercuryProject.org and hopefully we’ll have the resources to deliver great, free, open source solutions.

I really would like to work with more groups that have a good, calm, clear, clean, rational, friendly, fair, etc. … I’m looking for high quality groups who don’t scare away folks like, for example, the Transition Town folks! If the TT folks are scared away, then that’s not a good group to support IMHO, too much conflict, not enough peace and working together.

We cannot Compete for saving lives. I have the software license that lets me compete. Really, there should be no competition, every gorup that wants to help should be willing to help the other groups. The lives that are at stake are worth more than any ego. That’s my dream for TheMercuryProject.org – now I hope to show the world what kind of developer I REALLY am, you all are welcome to watch as we build up the next big thing over the coming weeks. I’m pretty sure legally I can start any website today, with no legal liabilities, but there’s a bunch of legal stuff going on and don’t know the exact answers yet, but I’m smart, and legally I will be fine, and so will all the software I own, I should be clear to start immediately, and will full force.

Sincerly,

Paul Mineau

p.s. know who’s got great sustainability video? We’d like to look at it and see if we can help get it out there. If you are making videos, I want to see that, there’s alot of very useful stuff out there.

 

  • Tue, Jun 29, 2010 - 06:40pm

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p.s. know who’s got great sustainability video? We’d like to look at it and see if we can help get it out there. If you are making videos, I want to see that, there’s alot of very useful stuff out there.

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Thanks for the post Paul. Your input has confirmed my suspicion that I don’t want to be near anything associated with Ruppert. I have a video project in the works that will detail the steps involved with preparing for changes that lie ahead, and your business model sounds agreeable to me. You can see some of my work at  http://www.youtube.com/user/CaptainSheeple , though I don’t currently have any videos that could be described as instructional.

Thanks again for your post and please feel free to PM me if you have any interest in working together.

Best…Jeff

 

  • Tue, Jun 29, 2010 - 06:50pm

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JAG, I understand your concern about Ruppert.  But are you seriously going to justify your feelings by a persons first post with a story that you don’t know the other side?  And in your tribute to TAE you use the term “build a lifeboat”.  Did you get that on your own?  I’m not trying to be a jerk, just pointing out that your response is a bit to much on the “reactionary” side of things instead of logical.

BTW:  I liked your tribute and have now moved into your view that we’re heading to a deflationary depression.  After many a nights staying up thinking about it, and reviewing every scrap of info I could gather ,AND with the help of Strabes video’s.  I see deflation like we’ve never seen before.  After that, high inflation/stagflation, I don’t see hyperinflation due to the fact that tptb can’t really control hyper I.  They can control deflation to fit their needs.  And as everyone knows, I KNOW this is a well planned event and tptb are in total control.(to you all it’s speculation) 

Best,

LR

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p.s. know who’s got great sustainability video? We’d like to look at it and see if we can help get it out there. If you are making videos, I want to see that, there’s alot of very useful stuff out there.

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Thanks for the post Paul. Your input has confirmed my suspicion that I don’t want to be near anything associated with Ruppert. I have a video project in the works that will detail the steps involved with preparing for changes that lie ahead, and your business model sounds agreeable to me. You can see some of my work at  http://www.youtube.com/user/CaptainSheeple , though I don’t currently have any videos that could be described as instructional.

Thanks again for your post and please feel free to PM me if you have any interest in working together.

Best…Jeff

 

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  • Tue, Jun 29, 2010 - 08:05pm

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LR,

I really don’t need anything but my eyes and ears to know what I think of Ruppert, but I will refrain from expressing my opinion regarding him in the future because its just a waste of time for all concerned.

Regarding the tribute video, all the content except the music was taken from the TAE website, including the pictures, text, and audio. Specifically, the build a lifeboat came from this post from Stoneleigh: 

How To Build A Lifeboat

Best…Jeff

  • Tue, Jun 29, 2010 - 08:24pm

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Jag, Let’s do a logical exercise here. I’m not saying you’re right or wrong about Ruppert. I’m agnostic about him. 

If a person is targeted by a letter agency in a smear campaign, how do you think their situation would appear? How would they appear? If that person knew/thought they were targeted, they’d seem paranoid and they actually might become paranoid and overly suspicious.  But the popular notion –that someone is either paranoid OR the letter agencies are out to get them, could be a false dichotemy. Both can be true, simultaneously.  Add to this, the individual’s basic nature. Ruppert is a hot head,  tempermental, self aggrandizing, can’t seem to cooperate. Ironic that he’s involved in an effort that is all about cooperation and sustainability through community.  His personality alone, is a living subvertisment, for his own venture. That’s my best take on it. There’s lots going on here. I think he has to be given credit for a life that has obviously been a tremendous odyssey for him and a mystery, puzzle enigma for everybody else.

  • Tue, Jun 29, 2010 - 08:31pm

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[quote=Paul.Mineau]

p.s. know who’s got great sustainability video? We’d like to look at it and see if we can help get it out there. If you are making videos, I want to see that, there’s alot of very useful stuff out there.

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Thanks for the post Paul. Your input has confirmed my suspicion that I don’t want to be near anything associated with Ruppert. I have a video project in the works that will detail the steps involved with preparing for changes that lie ahead, and your business model sounds agreeable to me. You can see some of my work at  http://www.youtube.com/user/CaptainSheeple , though I don’t currently have any videos that could be described as instructional.

Thanks again for your post and please feel free to PM me if you have any interest in working together.

Best…Jeff

 

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Jeff, remeber that I didn’t say anything bad about CollapseNet and my position, and I wish them all the best. My wife’s situation though, I will talk about that because there’s nothing more aweful in the world than seeing the one’s you love being hurt.

To the other guy who says don’t believe what I say, well, I have news for you, I have photographs and plenty of documentation to back up who I am, and what I have done. I cannot talk about anything right now specifically, but at some point in the future I hope to give a very thorough and detailed analysis of my experience, wether that was good or bad 🙂 I think it sucks that we always look to the famous people, and the little guy who made everything gets no rights or recognition, this is the worse part of Capitalism.

Jeff, and anyone who wants to work together to make a difference in the world, to help others, and your own family, to build those communities that we’ve been building in Transition Towns and Zeitgeist. I like the site here, this is my first exposure to Chris Martenson, and I have to say I really really like the vibe here! It seems friendly and I like the moderation.   I want to put together the best leadership and community and build something great, not just for one site, but for any that are being the change we want to see. I no longer will associate with any outfit that is “Sue, Sue, Sue” if you are sueing peole all the time, then I think that says alot. Hopefully CM isn’t on lawsuit street.

thanks,

Paul

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