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  • Wed, Feb 17, 2010 - 01:11am

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Nacci

I love you bro and thanks again for turning me on to survivalblog.

I am in the unenviable position of having to inform you however that discussion of  9/11 is off limits on this site (on the main page, you have to go to the CT PAGE). It can no longer be discussed out in the open here. Apparently CM does want it marginalized to the dark corners. As far as I know CM has  no official position on 9/11.

I will refer you now to the site rules which were last updated as far as I know the day after the 8th anniversary of 9/11. There are other things not to be discussed as well but have been grandfathered in such as AGW, weapons,  etc.. Such is life my friend. You and I are sadly in a minority of conspiracy theory wackos. I do enjoy the company though.

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  • Wed, Feb 17, 2010 - 01:28am

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Thank you for setting me straight.  That CM takes this position disturbs me greatly.  Considering the ramifications of what occurred on 9/11 what could possibly be gained from this policy?  Whatever change CM is attempting to enact will be allowed only as long it does not threaten the entrenched elite.  If it does he will either be assimilated or destroyed.  

What we are touching upon is very heavy.  I can understand why many do not have the stomach for the fight.  What I do not understand are those who attempt to discredit those that do, unless of course they courting favor from their future masters.  Subject dropped.

  • Wed, Feb 17, 2010 - 01:34am

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Peak oil is 9/11 and 9/11 is peak oil.  One can not be discussed seriously without the other.  Is 9/11 a controversial topic on this site?  Can it not longer be discussed in the open?  Does Chris Martenson want this topic marginalized to dark corners?  Are you speaking for him or his Moderators?  What is his official position on the events of 9/11?  

Several events surrounding 9/11 are not theories they are facts.  That the coalition of the FAA and NORAD intercepted wayward commercial airliners 67 times in 2000 without fail yet failed to intercept all four of the highjacked flights on 9/11 is a fact.  That never has a modern steel structure collapsed due to fire prior to 9/11 yet on this day three collapsed is a fact.  This is unprecedented.  That while our country was being attacked our President continued listening to elementary school students read is a fact.  That super thermite was found in the dust particles from the collapse of the WTC is a fact.  That several training exercises designed to simulate highjacking of commercial airliners were in operation during the real highjackings, causing much confusion and delay, is a fact.  This could go on for quite a while.

What is your basis for disparaging and dismissing this discussion as a “bunch of conspiracy theories”?  Are you able to to dispute these facts?  What is your understanding of the events?  How do you back them up?

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Nacci,

Don’t waste your time. 

        I’ve tried to discuss this subject on this site several months ago.  When I first became aware of the massive deception of the facts surrounding 9/11 I was sure that within a few years many more people would start to see the big picture (at that point in time I had no idea how controlled the media is).  I naively thought that there would be a chance for this to be the catalyst for real change in our government.  Many otherwise intellegent individuals can’t see or won’t see the merit the real players in this crime seeing the light of day.   When the subject first came up on this site I was excited to discuss it with what I percieved to be a collection of bright people.  I was soon very dissapointed.  It devolved to some name calling and avoidence of the facts by some very highly educated individuals.  Then all discussion was moved to the CT folder for fear of tainting the message of this website.  At that point in time I said “f*ck it” I’m done with any major participation in this website.  I still drop by to read the DD or check out some other writings by CM, but for the most part the forum section seems to be the same discussion of worn out subjects. 

Good luck in your journey to enlighten as many as you can.

 

  • Wed, Feb 17, 2010 - 03:00am

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 Nacci: Set up your own site… then you get to choose it’s focus.

 

 

 

 

 

  • Wed, Feb 17, 2010 - 04:10am

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Plato,

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[quote]1. Whatever change CM is attempting to enact will be allowed only as long it does not threaten the entrenched elite.  If it does he will either be assimilated or destroyed.  

2.I can understand why many do not have the stomach for the fight.  

3.What I do not understand are those who attempt to discredit those that do, unless of course they courting favor from their future masters.  Subject dropped.[/quote]

1. Whatever change CM is attempting to enact is bigger than government scandal. It’s a change of our entire concept of wealth, reliance on federal authority, and is both simple and cunning enough to escape the “all seeing eye” of your “entrenched elites” – who contrary to common belief, are not supervillains. They’re humans, and operate under the same set of physical laws that the rest of the world does. They bleed red, require food, water and air, and gain influence through wealth. When these things run out, so will their influence.

They will age and die like the rest of us, and leave their neer’do-well cousins and inlaws to do their work half-assed and blow what remains of their empire on cocaine and high dollar call girls. The scam cannot, and will not go on for ever. If history is a guide, it won’t.

Further, if your assertion were true, you’d be vaporized like Syme. As would most of us who speak our minds freely and openly in a forum of our peers. It seems you’re lacking in supporting evidence.

2. Many have plenty of stomach to fight, and are wise enough to pick battles that can:
a. Be won
b. Have an effect
c. Are congruent with other goals that satisfy both A and B.

I’d venture to say they’re doing more for the “fight” than you are, degrading the efforts of others because they’re not fighting for your pet cause.
I think history will look back on us and diagnose our collapse the same way we can look back on the fall of the U.S.S.R. No great conspiracy, no great ploy. Got greedy, lost sight of what was sustainable, ran with the war-financier’s fiat currency and ultimately bankrupted our nation. Ockham’s Razor. Yes, we live under an oligarchy. Humans have always lived under a similar system. You’re as free as any human has ever been since the original state. As safe, well fed, educated, civilized and with as much latitude to do what you wish as any human since then, as well. Be damned the forces “controlling” us.

3. Oh I think that our “future masters” will view us favorably, as we are them.

We’re not going to end up in a “global” North Korea.
Bad policy, years of corruption, wealth, racketeering and paranoia have destroyed our functional government. We’ve engaged in “asset management” on a international level the same way our corporations have on a national level… the same way we have on a private level.

Ever higher levels of debt to manage an expanding empire of crap we don’t really need. 
This is true of our involvement in the Middle East, South America, in the corporate monopolies that force competition out of the way, like Wal-Mart, or the individual who buys too much home on too little land for too much money and hinges their bad decision that it’ll only increase in value – regardless of supply and demand. When these systems die off, as they inevitably do – choking progress through their own self development – they leave behind fertile grounds for innovators to pick up the pieces. 

A return to sanity is well within the reach of a grounded, motivated and politically active population, and your efforts to degrade those who’d focus first on their community, and see that their needs are met *before* tilting windmills might be the ones with the real “stomach”.  

Coming out swinging has been a theme in your posts, Nacci.
The truther movement is just alienating people with it’s “if you’re not with us your a retarded sheep who deserves to lick the masters jackboots” mindset. Kinda insulting. Maybe we don’t need to be saved from ourselves?

Cheers,

Aaron

  • Wed, Feb 17, 2010 - 04:24am

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Thank you for setting me straight.  

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Me too.

I apologise for discussing verboten subjects. My opinion is that this thread should be moved to the CT folder since it is not really possible to understand Mike Ruppert’s “Collapse” without understanding Mike’s background and insights.

I will try to stick to the 3 E’s and remember that they don’t include AGW.

 

 

  • Wed, Feb 17, 2010 - 06:59am

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I’m posting this here because frankly I don’t know where else to park it…..  it has nothing to do with Ruppert, but it is topical vis a vis collapse…

In today’s DD, there was a link to an article http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_08/b4167050028125.htm about young Irish people leaving Ireland, some wanting to come to Australia…  which prompted me to get involved in the forum section, trying to warn them that there’s nowhere to escape (to cut to the chase).

Anyhow, having written this:

With all due respect Karl, you don’t appear to understand the system (which I prefer to call “the Matrix”) The problem here is very very complex. Jobs are no answer at all, because capitalism is as good as finished, a victim of fundamental flaws in the way the money system operates. I suggest you (and everyone else reading this) visit http://www.PeakProsperity.com/crashcourse a non profit website BTW… There is simply nowhere near enough space here to disect your beliefs, but I will just say that we are heading for major changes. It isn’t jobs you’ll need to worry about in the future,,, it’ll be survival!

I then got this amazing reply:

@damnthematrix the US government is doing exactly the right thing – it is shifting the residual wealth and assets to the hands of major banks and corporations. people like you mistakenly believe that you have to save the US in its entirety. that is an erroneous and very dangerous assumption. only 1/3rd of the US population is productive and the time is ripe for getting rid of the “caboose” – all of the unproductive elements of society, the welfare system supporting them and all of the excess debt. the most expedient solution is to assimilate all the wealth and create another nation state on top of what exists now with only productive human capital and assets. myself included, thank you.

I made light of it, describing it as “sarcasm at its best…!”, but I think he was actually serious….

Mike

  • Wed, Feb 17, 2010 - 04:34pm

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DTM

I think I will be spending more time on the Definitive Firearms Thread.

  • Wed, Feb 17, 2010 - 10:55pm

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One thing that interests me greatly about Peak Oil is what U.S. Central Planers have done with this information.  If you control the most powerful nation in the world and it is built upon cheap abundant oil then you find out that as demand for this oil is increasing greatly supply is running out, what do you do?  You make damn sure that you secure what ever is left of it. 

A example of this very effort is Eurasia.  U.S. plans for eurasia go back at least to a 1997 study by Zbigniew Brzezinski from the Council on Foreign Relations titled “The Grand Chess Board: American Primacy and its Geostrategic Imperatives. The CFR is a front for the elite class and is very influential within our Government.  Brzezinski is one of it’s Heavy Hitters as well as being Strategic and National Security advisor under the Carter Administration.  This book is a tough read but its value is precisely that, it is the game plan.

Within “The Grand Chessboard”  Brzezinski states that Eurasia is the center of World power and that key to controlling Eurasia lies in controlling Central Asia.   He states “the Eurasian Balkans (the Caspian Basin;   KazakhstanKyrgyzstanTajikistanTurkmenistanand Uzbekistan.) is infinitely important as an economic prize: an enormous amount of natural gas and oil is located in the region.  America is now the only global world superpower and Eurasia the globes central arena. Hence what happens to the distribution of power on the Eurasian continent will be of decisive importance to America’ global primacy.  In that context, how America manages Eurasia is critical.  Eurasia is the globe’s largest continent  and geopolitically axial.  A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world’s three most advanced and economically productive regions.  Eurasia accounts for 60 percent of the world’s GNP and about three-fourths of the worlds known energy resources.

Brzezinski further states “With warning signs on the horizon in Europe and Asia any successful American policy must focus on Eurasia as a whole and be guided by a geostrategic design that puts a premium on maneuver and manipulation.  Moreover as America becomes an increasingly multi-cultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on a foreign policy issues, except in the circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat.”

  • Wed, Feb 17, 2010 - 11:55pm

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Nacci

 Great post. So I guess ol Brez is not planning on windmills and solar panels or even nuclear energy to bail us out of peak oil. Well imagine that. I would also surmise that if Democracy  is established anywhere it will be a byproduct of U.S. Military intervention

I found this youtube video of Hillary Clinton speaking at the CFR to be pretty humorous.

It would appear from her comments that the only qualification to be Secretary of State of the most powerful (militarily) nation on the planet is to be able to do what the CFR tells you to do. I wanna be Sarah Palin’s Sec. of State. I will not only so what I am told but I can see Russia from my deck.

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PS is this a great country or what?

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