Collapse-A Documentary- Mike Ruppert

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  • Wed, Jan 06, 2010 - 03:54pm

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All great stuff everyone

Being a pilot, Rupperts Crossing the Rubicon answered many nagging questions I had about the 911 story as told by the media. Of all the books I have read on the subject, Rubicon ranks as number 1. He also tied together the military industrial complex in ways I had not heard before. The research that went into the book was stunning IMHO.

Obvious to say a must read!

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Did anyone note where he recommended one stay put rather than “head for the hills,” so to speak? He stated that if you do not have developed property, it is too late to start and that the locals would probably shoot you anyway (paraphrased … I can’t go back and find exactly what he said but he basically discouraged leaving where you are and seemed to imply that people would not welcome newcomers to their midst even at this point in the game.)

My question is whether those of you who are living in communities that seem ideal for post peak oil (small towns, local farms, abundant water, etc.) would really view newcomers as intruders as Ruppert seems to think. Would it not be better to have people arrive in your community ready to purchase property and work to become a part of the solution – even if they might need a little more assistance than those who are established -rather than have empty properties that are easy pickins for squatters?

I would not have thought Ruppert’s scenario would be the case until things actually visibly start deteriorating and it is clear that intruders are just looters.  

  • Thu, Jan 07, 2010 - 02:12am

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Hi Saffron-

   I think a lot depends on the “personality” of the community being considered.  There are some communities where, even in the best of times,outsiders are not welcomed or easily integrated.  I had that happen to a friend of mine; she was not born in the area where she now lives and has raised a family, so she is still considered an “outsider” some 20+ years later. 

   On the other hand, I think there are a lot of places that would still welcome newcomers, or worst case, “not care” either way if you moved there.  My area is one such place.  People are still generally so unaware of what’s happening, besides it being an “economic downturn”, that if newcomers bought land or property, it would still be considered “normal”, and they would be able to integrate into the community.  So yes, I disagree with Ruppert if he made that a broad generalization.

   If things get very bad, I imagine attitudes may change towards newcomers moving in.  But we’re not there yet.

   -pinecarr

  • Thu, Jan 07, 2010 - 03:34am

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FWIW:  Ruppert’s latest blog post (via LATOC) —

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Archives2010/RuppertWarning.html

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Saffron:

My wife and I debate the topic of community often.  She has this idealistic view that to survive and thrive in a TEOWAWKI  situation is for a community to come together, grow food, pool resources and share the extra work required without fossil energy.  My view from being around intentional communities and folks who have lived in them is that a FEW people with the self motivation, energy and disipline are do a vast majority of the work while MOST of the people sit back, bitch, politic, enjoy the 4D’s (Denial, Delusion, Distraction, Drugs) and get by with doing as little as possible.  They will barter their specialized, white collar skills and material wealth for the things that require knowledge, skill and sweat equity.   BTW you see this exact dynamic happening in the TV survival reality shows.  

My belief is that community is necessary and desired but one must communicate and commit to boundaries which preserve your family’s well being and security.  Otherwise you will move from one form of slavery (dependence on corporate growth) to another form of slavery.  Also, one must lead by example and necessity.

We live in a small remote town with mostly retired or near retirement folks.  I know I am going to need to provide charity in the form of food, transportation perhaps emergency medical assistance but I am okay with that because from them I get predictability, security, maturity and some semblance of manageability. 

I also believe in what Ruppert said about “going home”  In a post peak world, we need to locate ourselves where we feel at home.  That is different for everyone.  For me, it means living in a cool, arid, mountain climate.  It isnt the best area for growing vegetables.  It takes a lot of energy to heat my home.   But, I thrive here.  It is my home, my slice of paradise and after living in several places throughout the country, it is where I know I could live until I die.   It is a combination of the weather, the culture, the local economy, the scenery and the people.   So, even though to some in the community, I may be an intruder – really it is all about how you feel – are you going to survive or thrive?

– mooselick7

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Saffron:

My wife and I debate the topic of community often.  She has this idealistic view that to survive and thrive in a TEOWAWKI  situation is for a community to come together, grow food, pool resources and share the extra work required without fossil energy.  My view from being around intentional communities and folks who have lived in them is that a FEW people with the self motivation, energy and disipline are do a vast majority of the work while MOST of the people sit back, bitch, politic, enjoy the 4D’s (Denial, Delusion, Distraction, Drugs) and get by with doing as little as possible.  

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As a guy who’s spending just about all his fungible time planning/fomenting community, one conclusion that I have come to is that if I’m planning on being in on the creation of an intentional community which can stand the stressors that will inevitably arise and press in, choosing my co-creators wisely is the first of many crucial steps.  

Anybody with a recreational substance predilection — neg.  Self-starters, hard workers, people with communication skills, people w/out major personality issues, non prima donnas — thumbs up.  People with practical skills, people who know how to collaborate:  yes.  Narcissism:  thumbs down.  I want people that have understanding, energy, and who can put their egos (however large doesn’t bother me as long as they can set them) aside.  Clear eyes.  Sharp minds.  Ready-to-work bodies.

The ‘its all groovy man, we’ll plant corn tomorrow’ communes of yesteryear will have nearly no resemblance to what I’ve got in mind.

Viva — Sager

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Does anyone know if Mike Ruppert has his own site any longer?  I’ve been trying to find something but all I find is “From the Wilderness” and it’s a closed/archived site.  I’d like to see what his mapping is saying at this time.  Anyone?

  • Sun, Jan 10, 2010 - 02:20pm

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I read Mike Ruppert, http://mikeruppert.blogspot.com/

You might notice that a lot of entries are posted by Jenna Orkin, but occasionally Mike Ruppert does post.Look for his initials MCR. Here are 2 of Ruppert’s latest postings…

1/5/10 How Russia Is About to Dramatically Change the World

http://mikeruppert.blogspot.com/2010/01/how-russia-is-about-to-dramatically.html

and

1/4/10 SOMETHING EVIL THIS WAY COMES

http://mikeruppert.blogspot.com/2010/01/something-evil-this-way-comes.html

 

 

 

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Thanks Bluebird, 

I was aware of that site but thought it was so “basic” that it couldn’t be his main site for getting out info.  He talks about his “map” of the future and whatnot, but I don’t see where that map is located or his actual predictions.  Any ideas?

 

Thanks in advance!

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Thanks Bluebird, 

I was aware of that site but thought it was so “basic” that it couldn’t be his main site for getting out info.  He talks about his “map” of the future and whatnot, but I don’t see where that map is located or his actual predictions.  Any ideas?

Thanks in advance!

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FWIW, IMO his map is our map.  He’s done most of the same down-low scutwork research we have, or the equivalent.  If you see the documentary (“Collapse”) I bet you’ll recognize the look in his eyes.  I see it in the mirror myself…

Viva anyway — Sager

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