Climate Change: Its Not About Climate

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  • Fri, Apr 09, 2021 - 08:56am

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    Realizing the darkness in the oligarchy

Not requesting the emotion hate, just a realistic understanding of their motivation and moral developmental level.

For example, once one understands that a person will lie to advance their short-range benefit,  it would be stupid to trust their words.

Or coming to understand that the dog down the street bites people who approach his house.  You understand how the dog works and no longer reach a hand between the fence boards to try to pet it or jump the fence to retrieve your frisbee.

As we come to understand their motivation and moral developmental level we may go through quite a few emotions as we adapt to the new understanding …..

  • Fri, Apr 09, 2021 - 09:36am

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    Reply To: Climate Change: Its Not About Climate

Temperature swings, observing extremes in both warm and cold systems, is a sign of Global Cooling, not warming, as is the extension of the circumpolar vortex toward the equator.

Any temperature changes caused by a shift in the Earth’s climate is always the most pronounced in the extreme upper and lower latitudes, due to the Earth’s shape.

Just so you know.

If climatic cooling causes a reduction in precipitation at the extreme latitudes, and this lack of new water causes ice packs to dwindle and evaporate, just like old ice cubes do in your freezer.  When the temperatures are not above freezing, but ice is still lost, it has nothing to do with climatic warming at all.

Global Warming, causes the “pot” to boil faster and to compress the polar vortex toward the poles..so extreme temperatures caused by stalling High and Low zones of pressure do not exist, as they DO in colder climates.

Deserts are caused by cooling, not warming.  Droughts are caused by cooling, not warming.  And, more crop failures are caused by cooling, not warming.

The trick of the Climate Alarmists is to point at an aspect of Global Cooling, and attribute it to Global Warming, then blame the fictional warming on Man’s industrial activity.  In this way, they excuse their abuses of power and of their looting of your wealth.

It is ALL ABOUT POWER and nothing about the actual Climate, about which, WE CAN DO PRETTY MUCH NOTHING AT ALL.

If you like to breathe Oxygen, want your plants to be healthy, and keep your Liberties, learn the lies used against you.

  • Fri, Apr 09, 2021 - 09:56am

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    Reply To: Climate Change: Its Not About Climate

Your information on volcanic Co2 is entirely false.  Basically, a lie, which has taken many people in.

Just the mid ocean volcanic activity alone, dwarfs Man’s production, let alone the activity of surface volcanic activity.  Your study has been shown to be completely wrong in its volume estimates….and this was by design.

Since, it is nature, not Man, which produces the vast bulk of atmospheric Co2, and volcanism which produces almost the entire volume of upper atmosphere Co2, the tiny fraction of Man created Co2 cannot even be used to explain the increases in atmospheric Co2 from Man’s first factories of industry of the 1850’s, until to today.

But, I suppose you think identical Co2 molecules have different resident times in the atmosphere, depending upon whether a rotting log in the Amazon created it…or a shoe factory in Victorian England did.

Oh, well.

  • Fri, Apr 09, 2021 - 10:18am   (Reply to #53)

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    Climate Change: Its Not About Climate

Thorium reactors are better than those in standard use today, as they reduce the chance of daily operations failures producing melt downs, and are easier to fuel than the standard reactors currently in use.

However, the approvals and testing, along with the adoption of an approved Thorium fuel system by the existing infrastructure is DECADES away.  And, yet, a Thorium based reactor can still suffer LOCA and still suffer from the effects of both EMP and CMEs.

While they are less touchy, Thorium systems, offer to reduce the effects of Human mechanical, and technical, failures, regardless of their cause, giving people more time to react to them, such systems are still subject to catastrophic failures, if they are not properly designed to handle EMP and CME events….something NONE of the existing nuclear reactors in use are…even those experimenting with Thorium.

I do not have a hatred of nuclear energy, I have fear of the ignorance surrounding it.

  • Fri, Apr 09, 2021 - 10:31am

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    Reply To: Climate Change: Its Not About Climate

Great and well known climate graphs!

Notice how these graphs appear like some giant electrocardiogram of a beating heart?

Notice the repetitions and rhythmic fluctuations?  The pattern of colder epochs, separated by short spikes of warmth…

Note how we are now on the DESCENDING side of this last inter-glacial warm period?

It is colder NOW than it was 6,000 years ago…and it shall be colder still in the near future…as the cycle returns the Earth to its more common state of a much colder climate.

People should WISH for Global Warming.   We should be so lucky!

When the Earth’s mean temperatures return to those of its most recent Alta-Thermal period….then surpass them…you can tell me all about Global Warming, as you enjoy the fantastic climate it brings.

Oh, and Venus is not hot because of Co2…  Venus is hot because it is freaking too close to the Sun…which drives the climate on Earth, and not Man.

 

  • Fri, Apr 09, 2021 - 02:16pm

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    Boiling Frogs

DaveF, I have to ask, again, what good does it do anyone here to b*tch about the elites? How do you (or anyone of us) know what the “elites” are thinking and/or doing anyway? ~ JAG

The elites actually tell us what they are thinking and doing by :

A.  Literally telling us

B.  Their Actions or Non Actions

C.  Promoting and shaping obviously false Narratives through their Propaganda Outlets which reveal actual motivations and obscured intent.

By matching their words with their actions and connecting the dots particularly in a dialectic with other informed free thinkers one can deduce agendas and their probable future actions.

That amounts to actionable intelligence on both a tactical and strategic level that is useful for individuals and groups to fight back across a full spectrum of  defensive responses including promoting counter narratives in what amounts to an information war.

The stakes are high.  Our  freedoms, our health our lives are at risk.  Make no mistake we are slowly boiling frogs in a totalitarian soup.

mm

  • Fri, Apr 09, 2021 - 02:42pm

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    Climate Change: Its Not About Climate

 I have to ask, again, what good does it do anyone here to b*tch about the elites? How do you (or anyone of us) know what the “elites” are thinking and/or doing anyway?

They’re literally writing books and giving interviews explaining in detail what they want and how they plan to go about it. This isnt 1995, dude. We’re not theorizing anymore.

In those books and interviews they’ve made 2 things extremely clear; 1) They think there are too many of us. 2 ) They resent sharing the resources of planet earth with the rest of humanity.

I dont know about you but when a person with alot of power openly declares that my consumption of resources [ and my very existence ] should be controlled completely by him….that is something worth ‘bitching’ about.

  • Fri, Apr 09, 2021 - 02:48pm   (Reply to #79)

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    Climate Change: Its Not About Climate Hegel

BH: I think Hegel’s Dialectic as viewed by some right wingers over the years has to do with what you are talking about but I am not able to figure it out.  Small example:

http://nikiraapana.blogspot.com/

  • Fri, Apr 09, 2021 - 02:56pm

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    Reply To: Climate Change: Its Not About Climate

Ision could you please cite your sources.  Most of it runs contrary to my working knowledge as a meteorologist.

Temperature swings, observing extremes in both warm and cold systems, is a sign of Global Cooling, not warming, as is the extension of the circumpolar vortex toward the equator.

Large temperature swings are typically a result of an “omega block” caused by a slowing of the jet stream.  Typically this occurs in the shoulder season, typically as the jet stream weakens due to to seasonal warming in the arctic that is larger than typical seasonal warming in the subtropics and mid latitudes.  Lately it has occurred with greater frequency in winter.

Any temperature changes caused by a shift in the Earth’s climate is always the most pronounced in the extreme upper and lower latitudes, due to the Earth’s shape.

Any temperature change due to changes in long wave radiative forcing (the infrared radiation emitted by the earth) is most pronounced in regions and times where climate is determined largely by radiative cooling – during winter, at night, and especially at high latitudes (and even more so at high latitudes in winter).  Since our current climate change is forced mostly by changes in longwave radiative forcing due to increasing CO2 and methane concentrations (which then also increase water vapor), it is most pronounced in the arctic, in winter, and at night.

When I was an undergraduate meteorology student in the 1980s, the daily climate normals for Albany, NY were posted outside the map room.  I referred to them often to aid my forecasting efforts.  They bottomed out at 9°F in late January.  At that point, these were the 1950-1980 averages.  Now, the low bottoms out at 14°F in late January (the 1980-2010 normals).  Soon the 1990-2020 normals will be used.  This is for a single site at Albany International Airport.  Of course, during January, temperature during the 15-hour night in Albany is dominated by longwave radiative forcing.  Meanwhile, temperatures during the daytime have not really changed and night-time temperatures during the short July nights have only increased about 2°F.

Just so you know.

If climatic cooling causes a reduction in precipitation at the extreme latitudes, and this lack of new water causes ice packs to dwindle and evaporate, just like old ice cubes do in your freezer.  When the temperatures are not above freezing, but ice is still lost, it has nothing to do with climatic warming at all.

How do you explain the massive glaciation during the ice ages then?  Of course, the ice was mostly present in the northern mid-latitudes.  In the arctic, your freezer analogy was active.

Global Warming, causes the “pot” to boil faster and to compress the polar vortex toward the poles..so extreme temperatures caused by stalling High and Low zones of pressure do not exist, as they DO in colder climates.

See my explanation above.  The weather is driven by temperature differences.  At a global scale, this is the tropic-polar difference, but land-water and high terrain-low terrain and other differences exist.  When the poles warm, the temperature difference decreases and the jet stream slows down – leading to stalling high and low zones.  Of course, within the polar vortex, temperature gradients are often weak, so deep arctic cold can park in one place – in the arctic, though.

Deserts are caused by cooling, not warming.  Droughts are caused by cooling, not warming.  And, more crop failures are caused by cooling, not warming.

Arctic deserts can be enhanced by cooling.  Subtropical deserts develop and expand northward by warming as the jet stream retreats poleward so that midlatitude storms stay closer to the poles even in winter and the intertropical convergence zone still stays near the equator.  Check out the paleoclimatology of the Sahara desert – oops, I mean grassland and savannah – during the ice ages.

The trick of the Climate Alarmists is to point at an aspect of Global Cooling, and attribute it to Global Warming, then blame the fictional warming on Man’s industrial activity.  In this way, they excuse their abuses of power and of their looting of your wealth.

I won’t argue if you claim they exaggerate the threat or point to a real threat without really intending to address it, but rather use it to force an agenda of theirs.  The threat doesn’t have to be fictional or even severely exaggerated for this to be true.

It is ALL ABOUT POWER and nothing about the actual Climate, about which, WE CAN DO PRETTY MUCH NOTHING AT ALL.

Whether our activities are important in changing the climate or not, you are probably right.  It’s hubris to think we can organize to change human behavior at a global scale.  I would also argue that our changes in land use (i.e. habitat destruction due to urbanization, and expansion of intensive agriculture, forestry and grazing) are probably as important if not more so in the total threat of which climate is only a part.  Ecosystem collapse due to direct direct destruction is a huge threat.

If you like to breathe Oxygen, want your plants to be healthy, and keep your Liberties, learn the lies used against you.

  • Fri, Apr 09, 2021 - 03:25pm   (Reply to #82)

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    To Quercus

Quercus,

Interesting to see that you are a meteorologist, I am as well. Send me a PM if you want, I’d be curious to know more about the kind of work you do.

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