Climate Change: Its Not About Climate

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  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 01:29pm   (Reply to #13)

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Yes, about 40 or 50% of human emissions are absorbed by the oceans and slowly being turned into new rocks.   That is the ultimate resolution of our added emissions, in thousands of years.

If not for that, the problem would be far more progressed than it is already.

  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 02:17pm

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The use of fossil fuels CAN’T be reduced without killing off billions of people. One of the contributing factors to population growth is ammonium nitrate fertilizer which, if I recall correctly is made from natural gas, so eliminating that is a non-starter unless one is willing to kill billions of people.

ALL supply chains would have to be shortened from the current 5K-10K miles long to less than 1K miles. Ocean traffic would have to be severely curtailed as there is NO WAY you will move a very large container vessel with anything other than oil. Nuclear would be an option but it would take decades and too many environmentalists would oppose that to their dying breath.

Instead of trying to lower the earth’s temperature, wouldn’t it be better to be working on ways to adapt to the new, higher temp? I believe it is the pinnacle of arrogance to believe that we can actually reduce the planets temperature.

We should be focusing on adapting to what we THINK is coming.

Best regards to all,

Ed

 

  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 02:24pm

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Based on figures from the Emissions Database for Global Atmospheric Research (EDGAR), via Wikipedia, carbon dioxide emissions from the USA in 2018 were 16.1 tons per capita, while emissions from China were only 8 tons per capita. Less than half as much. And that’s using production-based accounting. Much of the emissions in China are for the purpose of producing goods for export (such as, to the USA).

China has 1.4 billion people, so it’s hardly realistic to expect their entire country to use less fossil fuel than 300 million Americans.

Not that I disagree with the premise that the elites are taking advantage of concerns about climate change to further their own agenda, rather than pursuing real solutions.

But, don’t forget that “the Donors” also benefit from the billions of dollars that the USA spends every year to prepare for nuclear war against China.

EDIT: Regarding Dave Fairtex’s argument here:

Superpowers with nukes – historically – have tended to get really upset when someone else threatens to destroy the planet.   Fairness doesn’t enter into it.  At least, it never has before.

Empire gonna empire.  Empire has never done “fairness” in all of history.  Not that I’ve seen.

There are so many tools Empire could be using to get China to stop making carbon, if we really believed the world was about to end.  Even getting slightly creative, we could really cause trouble if we wanted to, well short of nukes.

What tools does the West have, short of nukes? Conventional war? The West would face a choice between humiliating defeat, and going nuclear. Trade restrictions and sanctions? That would shoot the Western standard of living in the foot, but maybe that’s part of the agenda for the future. Propaganda? The MSM are already doing everything they can to demonize China and beat the war drums.

  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 02:38pm   (Reply to #22)

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This is why its a predicament.   Its almost assuredly not solvable.  And its probably not even influenceable without a lot of hard and open analysis, which doesnt appear doable.  We are working in direct opposition to millions of years of evoluton that rewards near term survival and heavily discounts long term consequences.

Virtually everyone who understands climate change is still greatly rewarded in keeping things as close to their own normal as they can.  Probably especially elites as they would have so much farther to fall to reach a carbon output that would be sustainable on a per person planetary basis.

Instead of trying to lower the earth’s temperature, wouldn’t it be better to be working on ways to adapt to the new, higher temp? I believe it is the pinnacle of arrogance to believe that we can actually reduce the planets temperature.

I dont think anyone is realistically thinking we can reduce atmospheric carbon.  Its simply doing what might be done to keep digging the hole deeper.  If the hole is dug too deep, there will be no adaptation, just a huge die off and some level of near extinction.

Its a hail mary play, but using the remaining FFs to attempt a transition to new supply chains, thorium nuc, fussion, solar, wind, rail, electrification of busses, regen agriculture/permaculture and so on are all needed and massive transformations that wont be done without a lot of understanding and cant likely be done sucessfully.  They should be attempted — to your point on adaptation.

 

  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 02:49pm   (Reply to #18)

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If I recall correctly the current analysis is for about 6ft of sea level rise by 2100.  If this is in the right ballpark, Central and Northern FL are still just fine, and are probably even more valuable as they become coastal and even more desirable, when people are forced to move away from the current coasts.

Here is a tool to see the changing coastlines as the waters rise.

https://coast.noaa.gov/slr/#/layer/slr/6/-9202378.80679657/3095786.762165669/7/satellite/none/0.8/2050/interHigh/midAccretion

 

  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 03:09pm

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Steve Daley

Regarding oceanic carbon sequestration. Not a solution….at all.

By absorbing increased carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, the ocean reduces the warming impact of these emissions were they to remain in the atmosphere. However, carbon dioxide dissolved into the ocean causes seawater to acidify, threatening the ability of shellfish and corals to build their skeletons and affecting the health of other fish and marine species—many that are important to coastal economies and food security.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-ocean-absorbing-more-carbon

Plus it absorbs only 30% of human carbon emissions.

  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 03:58pm   (Reply to #9)

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>>>  “And how about the peaceful exploring of space?  Years ago, the treaties were made between the US and the Soviet Union. SU doesn’t exist anymore and China wasn’t even considered.  That’s going to lead to problems.”

 

If you are interested in that as a possible Job, I suggest Maxar Technologies on San Antonio road in Palo Alto, near Stanford.

What used to be Ford Aerospace.

I’m sure they have contracts with the US gov already, related to space travel.

Even if you don’t have what you think is the right degree … let them be the judge.  I have seen people start out in Machine Shops or Drafting, and end up Running the Show.

  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 05:01pm

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LBL, if I were young, I would wish to be that person.  Now, I just work on my profession of “useless eater.” It does require a remarkable amount of  planning, dedication and cunning.

  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 06:36pm

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Ok, let’s start from the beginning.

The Oligarchs are clearly in charge of The Empire – which is, loosely, “The West.”  This includes US & the Five Eyes countries, as well as Western Europe.  Evidence for this: The West’s unified, horrid response to COVID: “No Treatments For You.”   Every single member nation of The Empire has decided its people should die rather than treat this unfortunate disease which would be literally nothing with widespread use of, say – ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, nigella sativa, or even “bee propolis.”   Not to mention vitamin D, which 70% of US citizens are deficient in.  Especially black people, whose Lives Allegedly Matter, but – in reality – absolutely don’t.

Right.  An Empire, run by The Oligarchs, who are willing to let millions of its own people die is completely uninterested in “fairness.”  What tools could the Empire employ to head off the prospect of “the world ending in 9 years” – to rapidly curtail the emissions of the clearly feckless largest carbon emitter on the planet (by a factor of 2)?  Well, yanking every single industry out of China would be a good step #1.  50% import tariffs on everything.  Sanctions too, for good measure.  This isn’t even hard.  China’s economy would absolutely crater, right along with its carbon emissions  They are utterly dependent on exports.  The whole place just blows up once the exports stop.  And all the exports are going to The Empire.  No military option need be used.  Although that’s step #2, if step #1 proves insufficient.

In the old days, you could tell that the Oligarchs were definitely worried about the Soviet Union by what they did.  The Empire had troops in Europe, nuclear weapons, sanctions, strong restrictions on what could be imported – it was the whole 9 yards of “containment” – Cold War – arrayed against a power that threatened The Empire (and thus, the Oligarchs).

Now, allegedly, what the world faces today is allegedly a *worse* threat than was posed by the FSU.  What posture do the Oligarchs (who control The Empire) take vs China?

The Oligarchs and China are good buddies.  One Oligarch mouthpiece once said, “they aren’t bad folks, folks.”  In reality, China can emit as much carbon as they like.  It Just Doesn’t Matter.  Xi is our good friend.  (Xinjiang?  Hong Kong?  Crickets.)

In truth, it appears as though The Oligarchs and the CCP are trying to divvy up the remaining crude oil amongst themselves, using a “climate change emergency” as cover.  To this end, the Plebes of The Empire must have their crude oil use contained at all costs.  COVID is a tool in that toolbox.  If the economy gets crushed in the process – well that’s actually a plus.  That decreases oil consumption too.  (Coal?  Doesn’t matter.  We’ve got centuries of coal left.  Do what you gotta do, CCP, we’re fine with you using coal.)

That’s the bargain apparently struck – behind the scenes – between CCP and The Oligarchs.

And did you notice?  The CCP was handed Saudi Arabia just the other day.

This is what it looks like to me anyway.  Peak Oil Mitigation.

Also, it appears that The Oligarchs are intensely jealous of the CCP and the vicelike grip they have over the Chinese Plebes.  Oligarchs desperately want the CCP’s Social Credit axis of control deployed in The Empire.  A “Vaccine Passport” is an excellent first step.  “Because, pandemic.”  Carbon Passports come next.  You only get one if you take your Anti-Racism classes.  And get your vaccine too.

COVID = crap.  Climate = crap.  Its all about control, and who gets to use the remaining crude oil.  The Oligarchs flipped the switch on this plan back in – say – February 2020.  They probably used the info in that Utah Server Farm to take firmer control over the governments of The Empire.  “COVID = The Chance of a lifetime.”  Plus, the timing of the real emergency is probably upon us: peak oil.  Likely that’s the real crisis that happens within that 10 year timeframe.

I believe in the timeframe.  Just not the storyline.

Note: if the CCP gets to build more coal-fired electric plants, and produces a bunch of electric scooters for its people – what does that look like – in reality?

And Old White Joe’s new gas tax?

That’s Peak Oil Mitigation.  Not “reducing carbon emissions for climate change.”

Assume The Oligarchs know exactly what is going on.  Then, watch what they do.

Might help your trades, too.

  • Wed, Apr 07, 2021 - 07:09pm

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COVID = crap.  Climate = crap.  Its all about control, and who gets to use the remaining crude oil.

Would only amend your comment to read:

COVID = real.  Climate = real.  Its all about control, and who gets to use the remaining crude oil.

Think you have hit on an extraordinarily useful analytical lens through which recent developments should be viewed.  Bravo!

 

 

 

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