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  • Wed, Mar 21, 2018 - 02:06pm

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    Doug

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    Clear and present danger

I have concluded that a wake up call is needed here because of this site's tacit support for the current potus and his bromance with Vladimir Putin, of whom it can be said that once KGB, always KGB.  John Brennan, who has served six Presidents with no personal commentary about any, has decided it is time to speak out.

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/former-cia-director-says-russia-could-have-something-on-trump-1191147075556?playlist=associated

 

  • Wed, Mar 21, 2018 - 02:20pm

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This article serves as kind of an exclamation point to Director Brennan’s offerings.

https://climatecrocks.com/2018/03/20/fox-news-military-advisor-quits-im-

  • Wed, Mar 21, 2018 - 02:59pm

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    You mean this John Brennan?

Doug, I assume that by “serving six presidents” you mean to imply that John Brennan has some form of legitimacy?

You are referring, of course, to the John Brennan that oversaw the drone and torture programs, two completely unacceptable blights on any nation’s record. 

By strongly coming out in support of Brennan, do you mean to imply that you were and are in support of torture and unadjudicated drone assassinations?

Or perhaps it is this next piece of history that we need to now overlook?  Brennan was CIA  station chief in Jeddah Saudi Arabia during a period when passports were issued to 9/11 hijackers, against the express worries of the people in charge of the US visa process?

9/11 Hijackers Passports were Issued by CIA – US Consulate Whistleblower (SACRAMENTO, CA) – A man who spent two decades as a high level State Department official, at one time in charge of issuing visas out of Saudi Arabia, Mike Springmann, has been trying to tell people the most important news about a direct connection between the CIA and 9/11 for more than a decade.

As you will note in this review and the video below, recorded at the National Press Club on 10 June 2002 in Washington DC, (Nobody can say the major press was not exposed to this information) this extremely credible eyewitness has been stonewalled by the government and major media for a long time, even as they reported the lax security conditions that allowed those men now associated with the 9/11 attacks to enter the U.S. 15 of the 19 did not qualify for a visa, yet they were granted one anyway. 10 of the individuals entered through the very agency Mr. Springmann once headed and then spent so much energy trying to expose.

Springmann went public (after internal efforts failed) to expose the State Dept/CIA conduiting terrorists into the USA. It occurs to me that there probably really will be a reinvestigation of 911 and that those involved could actually be taken to trial and brought to justice. I can feel my country beginning to implode because when the you know what really hits the fan, I do not think that the world will forgive us.

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At best Brennan is wildly incompetent.  At worst he’s covering up deeply traitorous actions.

Could he be a traitor?  Well, he already is an enormous criminal who illegally directed US spy talents against US Senators:

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Let me take a wild guess here, Doug, but if Trump had overseen the CIA spying on the US Senate in order to dig up dirt on them to stop an inquiry into an illegal US torture program, you’d be singing a very different tune about Brennan.

I am an equal opportunity, non-partisan basher.  I don’t care who’s doing the illegal, nasty stuff, I am against it.

Finally, please cease your baseless assertions that this site is somehow pro-Trump.  I presume you occupy a world where anything Trump does has to, by default, be excoriated, but that’s not the case here.  I might find merit in his stance on trade, but absolutely abhor his increasingly NeoCon  cabinet.  Both can be true.

Such is the life of a critical, self-thinker.

However, let me state that John Brennan is an absolute disaster of a human being.  He’s truly awful, and without any redeeming qualities of which I am personally aware.  That’s my view.  If you have other data to defend your strong support of him and his messages, please share it/them.

 

 

  • Wed, Mar 21, 2018 - 05:32pm

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    Yes, Brennan Has Lied, But PP Almost Never Critical of Trump

I watched Brennan lie through his teeth to Congress, as you point out, Chris.  But as I’ve posted elsewhere, I don’t find the Peak Prosperity site to be as objective, scientific, non-partisan basher of all politicians when appropriate as it could be, and as you suggest – I really wish it were.  Rather, as Doug says, it seems to give tacit support to Trump.  Yes, I, like you, sometimes agree with Trump’s statements or positions – eg, I agreed with his campaign attacks on the corruption of the Democrats and stated wish to “drain the swamp”, his brief campaign criticisms of the Fed, but did NOT assume that he and his administration would actually be any less corrupt than the Dems – rather I thought, that they would likely be even more corrupt.  And in my opinion, they clearly are.  They are selling out our precious resources of stable climate, the public internet (net neutrality), clean air, water and land to the highest bidder, they are fighting democratic (small ‘d’) representation via voting right suppression and gerrymandering, in spite of campaign promises to the contrary, they undermine the safety net for the poorest Americans, may let social security/medicare be cut while giving the Fed enriched 1% massive tax cuts and just hired Larry Kudlow to promote the long ago disproven Free Market Capitalism Trickle Down Lie, they say they favor jobs while they are selling out workers rights in favor of multinational corporate power.  Yet, I haven’t seen you write much about those things – much more about how the Deep State is going after Trump.

You demonize Hillary Clinton (whom I also really don’t like), and say things like the video you saw of her saying “We came, we saw, he died” about Khaddafi demonstrates that she’s a psychologically unbalanced megalomanic who represented an extreme risk of starting a nuclear war, but seem to see little threat of war from Trump.  Yes, I also was very worried about Clinton’s militaristic, neocon bent, but I was and remain at least as concerned about Trump’s impulsive, aggressive egotism and divisiveness internationally and the real threat of war Trump represents in Korea and the Middle-East.   I also see the positive possibility that Trump may be able to reach peace accord in Korea that was unachievable by Obama, Bush, and all the establishment presidents before him because they refused to recognize North Korea and sign an agreement assuring its security.  Now that Trump’s impulsivity has really worried S. Korea, South Korea may finally accept the status quo, recognize North Korea and permit the peninsula to be pacified.  The world’s a complicated place.  It’s also quite possible Trump’s negotiations may fail, and he may initiate a war there, or return to a war path with Iran, now that he is threatening to pull out of the Iran treaty in May.

You totally trash Brennan, by saying things like you did above, “However, let me state the John Brennan is an absolute disaster of a human being.  He’s truly awful, and without any redeeming qualities of which I am personally aware.”    

But I never have read anything you’ve written that talks about what an “absolute disaster” of a human being Trump is, that he’s a pathological, divisive, serial liar, that he’s a megalomanic, etc.  If you have, I’d like to see it, and will stand corrected on that point.    More importantly, I’ve never seen editorial writing here that acknowledges it’s possible that there is, in fact, a corrupt relationship between Trump and members of his administration (including Trump’s oil cronies) and Russia, as part explanation for his supportive attitude toward it.  We don’t know with certainty that there is a corrupt relationship, but it seems quite plausible to me based on Trump and his associates behavior and financial relationships before and since the election.  No one knows with certainty that there’s not a corrupt relationship.  

Yes, I agree with your view, and those of others, that Dem and Repub neocons have acted aggressively toward Russia and created conflict and increased risk of war unnecessarily.  I also believe that Russia continues to act to create chaos, division and conflict in western politics just as the CIA and other agencies of the US have done in other countries in the past.  I also find it completely believable that Trump’s campaign team – eg Manafort et al – followed the same divisive, fake news, conflict generating propaganda playbook that the Russians use in Europe and Asia, and that the CIA has generated elsewhere.  None of it’s good.

The only way to counter all the divisive, often anger/fear blanket statement supporting tendencies inherent in dueling conspiracy theories we have these days is to try to stay as objective as we can, and appreciate the complexities – that in fact, few people or groups are all black or white, right or wrong, good or bad.  I appreciate the fact that you and Peak Prosperity have made a significant effort to uncover the truth and be objective.  You’ve created a phenomenal, unique body of work over time, IMO – great interviews with Art Berman. Tim Jackson – with endless guests and thought leaders.  Yet, I see friends and acquaintances across the political spectrum get caught up in one all-defining narrative or another, and sometimes get caught up myself for a bit.   Keeping a clear, open, unbiased view can be tough these days, but that’s why it has particular value, it seems to me.  Toward that end, I hope you and PP will keep an unblinking, objective eye on Trump along with everyone else.  Best regards.

  • Wed, Mar 21, 2018 - 06:27pm

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Yes, I linked Brennan’s rant, but did not personally endorse his actions over the years.  Although, I will note that as far as my limited reading indicates, his positions on policies, particularly torture and drone strikes, were arguably within the parameters of how those policies were being debated at the time.  He has been close to the seat of power for a lot of years and is entitled to his opinions.  Given his vantage point I would probably trust his judgment at least as much as the article you linked, observing that Michael Springmann, the cited whistle blower who was the visa guy at the Jeddah consulate for a couple years in the 80s, left that position more than two years before 9/11, so probably had no knowledge of the passports of the 9/11 hijackers despite the insinuations of the article.

At any rate, if you don’t like Brennan’s opinions, I’m sure I can dig up many harsh criticisms of Trump from long time conservative Republicans, except Congressmen of course.  With a couple possible exceptions, they seem to be totally cowed by Trump’s bs.  

The point of my post was that the current potus is totally out of his depth in the White House.  As I recall this website’s position during the campaign you were broadly complimentary but hesitated to endorse him because that’s not what the blog does.  Your were certainly far harsher in your criticism of Hillary.  Fair enough, but I did question your judgment then and now wonder why the site fails to criticize him or Putin.  The evidence could not be clearer that Trump has no moral or ethical bottom, has no knowledge base from which to guide the ship of state, has no problem with dictators but lambasts those who differ with his views, appears to be determined to destroy large portions of the government through neglect or subversion and appoints people to run various departments who are as ignorant or malevolent as he is on the relevant issues.  In a word he is grossly incompetent.

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Let me take a wild guess here, Doug, but if Trump had overseen the CIA spying on the US Senate in order to dig up dirt on them to stop an inquiry into an illegal US torture program, you’d be singing a very different tune about Brennan.

First, this statement makes no sense.  Second, I oppose the CIA spying on any US citizen no matter who the potus is.  Its not their job. 

Enough for now.  But lets be clear, Trump is the disaster here, not Brennan.

  • Wed, Mar 21, 2018 - 11:23pm   (Reply to #5)

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    The Real Disaster

Doug wrote:

Yes, I linked Brennan’s rant, but did not personally endorse his actions over the years.  Although, I will note that as far as my limited reading indicates, his positions on policies, particularly torture and drone strikes, were arguably within the parameters of how those policies were being debated at the time.  He has been close to the seat of power for a lot of years and is entitled to his opinions.  Given his vantage point I would probably trust his judgment at least as much as the article you linked,….

be clear, Trump is the disaster here, not Brennan.

Wow,  that was a pretty weak disavowal of State sponsored torture and extrajudicial killing!

It is pretty clear Doug that you supports torture. If for no other reason than your continued use of tortured logic as you pop up periodically to whine about Peak Prosperity’s ‘support’ of Trump, praise Obama’s tenure as Dissembler/Drone Warrior in Chief or otherwise uncritically reflect the latest blue team ‘Statist’ Quo talking points that you mindlessly consume and then regurgitate from your favorite Mockingbird propaganda feeds.

And while the pain you engender here in a forum that specifically values and elevates critical and multidimensional thinking and data driven analysis over emotional and partisan screeds can certainly be described as a form of intellectual torture for many of us here, the real shame is that you represent the vast bulk of Americans both left and right that are easily manipulated by propaganda as long as it is framed and presented to conform to their ideological biases. Sadly that is the clear and present danger to our ‘republic’ the tool de jour in the oval office not withstanding.

Which is exactly how the Deep State/MIC/NeoCons likes things as they exsanguiate the body politic of blood and treasure in their relentless march towards full spectrum dominance, war and ultimately collapse.

With regards to Chris being “‘broadly supportive of Trump during the election” that is frankly a load of B.S. My recollection was that he specifically warned against the danger of a Clinton Presidency given she was a pro war neocon with a track record for starting and enabling disastrous wars and was calling for establishing a No Fly zone in a country where the Russians ( a nuclear power) had both legal standing and were actively flying not to mention where they had their state of the art air defense systems up and running…  Essentially Chris said he couldn’t  support someone that was proposing an act of  war with a Nuclear power.

That still seems like a pretty good call to me. Notwithstanding the fact that Trump’s non interventionist anti war rhetoric has since been revealed as fraudulent or at best, naivete/ignorance subsequently undone and co opted by deep state ‘forever war’ interests (like your man Brennan)

The whole point of and the message of Peak Prosperity like the predicaments it elucidates transcends partisan politics. It is concerned with systemic level issues. Your’s and other’s constant calls for Chris to ‘censor’ trump and virtue signal alignment with the full spectrum of your particular set of values and beliefs would be counterproductive to the stated mission and objectives of the site. Just as it would be if he were to weigh in on abortion, gun control or other ideologically driven emotional wedge issues.

I think Chris does a pretty damn good job focusing specifically on critique of actions and analysis as they both reflect the three E’s and are relevant to potential threats.  If it make you feel better you can consider every one of Chris’s contemporaneous policy critiques to be ‘anti’ Trump After all, it’s Trump’s show now and he is in charge of and responsible for everything that is happening!

With your critique that Chris doesn’t criticize Putin,  please provide us with specifics of how Putin is endangering the world.. Is he threatening to unilaterally attack sovereign Nations? Abrogate disarmament treaties? Has he ring fenced us with anti missile systems in pursuit of first strike capabilities? Sponsored a coup in Mexico? Has he expanded the Warsaw pact to our borders?

Perhaps he doesn’t believe in or heed International Laws? Is he funding Lung eating, child head chopping Jhiadi’s to accomplish regime change? Is he droning wedding parties? Is he refueling Saudi’s as they bomb civilian poor in Yemen?

And before you answer with the barrel bombs, gas attacks and assorted war crimes in Syria, suggest you dig a little deeper into the “Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and the so called “white” helmets.

While I generally agree with you that Trump is both loathsome, morally bankrupt and dangerous I would say that the level of danger he represents is a function of and in direct proportion to to the influence that Netanyahu and the Neo con’s have on him. The fact that you and others grazing in the propaganda pasture can’t see that the ‘Putin is evil~ Russia is Bad’ is a wholly contrived Neo Con /Neo Lib MIC campaign, is a testament to the power of emotionally weaponized disinfo and the lack of critical thinking ability and discernment left here in the US.

Where’s the # Resistance on our march to war with Nuclear Russia? Hyperventilating about made up shit and social issues that will all be moot when the missiles start landing. Thanks for that!

Enough for now, but to be clear the real disaster is ‘Brennan’ and the Deep state forces of empire and morality that he represents and the sheep that swallow the propaganda that enable those interests…not Putin and the Russians.

 

Mememonkey

 

  • Wed, Mar 21, 2018 - 11:50pm

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    Thank you Mememonkey

I have been wanting to reply to this thread all day…thanks for articulating my thoughts much better than I could have.

Kali

  • Thu, Mar 22, 2018 - 03:51am   (Reply to #5)

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    Props!

Thank you for your articulation MM! 

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  • Thu, Mar 22, 2018 - 03:47pm

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    serving six presidents

John Brennan, who has served six Presidents with no personal commentary about any, has decided it is time to speak out.

Ok.  Those same six Presidents presided over a globalization regime that enriched all our friendly corporations & their shareholders, all while sucking money from the workers.  That’s who John Brennan served without comment.  Are those two things related?  I’m sure you say no.  But – somehow – all our jobs migrated to China.  And corporate leaders got huge salaries.  And the top 1% got really rich.  Corporations share of profits vs worker salaries rose.  And the US working class is left with bupkis – well, except for the opioids.

I see Trump actually trying to do something about this, for the first time really ever.  Thus, it is no surprise that “the globalists” who have profited from the action of those past six Presidents that Brennan served without comment have orchestrated a serious effort against Trump that amounts to an attempted coup d’etat.

At the same time, I will agree that Trump is a disaster when it comes to acting Presidential, when it comes to facts, attention span, when it comes to hiring and firing – his hair, his orange color, his allegedly small male member, his alleged affairs with porn stars, his pussy-grabbing comments, his alleged support of nazi statues – he really is the worst President ever.

Well, except of course for those six Presidents that Brennan served without comment who arranged to send all our jobs overseas solely to enrich their (bipartisan) donor class.  One might argue, if one was a member of the working class, that each of them was worse than Trump.

And that’s not an easy thing to accomplish.

And for the record, I think Putin is someone we need to watch very closely.  But he runs a country that has 1/18th the GDP of the NATO alliance.  He’s a pimple on the ass of you-know-who.  I’m not scared of Russia, and I’m not falling for the hype that says I should be.

  • Thu, Mar 22, 2018 - 04:03pm

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    Why I am non-partisan

This Venn diagram pretty accurately captures my reasoning for not getting too worked up over which party is better than the other.

Truly a distinction without a difference.

While we are all mainly bickering about wedge issues, the ecosystem is collapsing, irreplaceable energy reserves are expended in SUVs, and massive deficits, debts, unfunded liabilities, and deferred maintenance on critical infrastructure are being piled up and left for the next generations to deal with.

Meanwhile 96 out of 100 US Senators voted for an $80 billion increase in US military expenditures for this year alone.

Think the vote might have been a little more contentious if we didn’t have big, bad Russia being crammed down our media throats each and every day for the past year?

The way I see it, the Russian narrative is merely clever marketing by an out of control MI complex and, boy, has it worked on some of you.  They merely figured out that terrorism was Pepsi, but Russia was Coke.  

Please note the dozens of articles coming out now about how Russia might decide to nuke us first and their hypersonic missiles and all the reasons that this means we need low yield nukes and vastly expanded funding for some next gen super exotic anti-anti missile missiles.

Meanwhile, here are some forlorn people from Detroit trying to draw attention to the fact that they’ve been living with toxic water for nearly four years now all for want of a few million dollars to tie the city’s water system to a clean supply.

Great title, right?  This is what collapse looks like.  Help never comes.

At any rate, the idea that the US is somehow under attack from a clever and determined Russia just doesn’t have a lot of purchase in my world because the evidence simply isn’t there.  The hyperbole, the marketing, the repetition…that’s all there.

The true threat lies within, and both parties currently own that problem. Sure, it’s always a lot easier to blame outsiders for your personal problems, but it’s never effective.  

Time for America to take responsibility for itself.  Russia didn’t force the Senate to spend an extra $80 billion on “defense” while totally ignoring Detroit’s water issues.  They did that all by themselves.  Both parties.

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