Claim That Natural Immunity Last Half As Long As “Vaccinated” Immunity

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  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 08:04pm

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    Guyman Dude

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    Claim That Natural Immunity Last Half As Long As “Vaccinated” Immunity

I heard on the radio this morning while I was driving that city workers in Tucson, AZ, lost a court challenge to an injection mandate.  The commentator then stated, without citing sources or qualifying the stats in any way, that natural immunity from having had COVID-19 has been shown to only last three months, while the immunity conferred by “vaccination” (he didn’t specify which brand/type) lasts six months.  Is this a new piece of propaganda?  I don’t usually listen to the radio, and I haven’t seen this stated anywhere else.  Are people expected to believe this unqualified assertion?  Has anyone else heard or read this at a MSM site?  And, am I missing something; i.e., is there some mechanism by which immunity from the “vaccines” can be superior to naturally-acquired immunity?

  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 08:44pm

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    Claim That Natural Immunity Last Half As Long As “Vaccinated” Immunity

This list from the Brownstone Institute has numerous studies supporting the durability of natural immunity:

91 Research Studies Affirm Naturally Acquired Immunity to Covid-19: Documented, Linked, and Quoted

Of note are the Cleveland Clinic study and the Israeli study for their very large sample size.

Like Dwisibn #1 and #2, natural immunity is clinically proven to be un-profitable to the ruling cartels that glib media mouthpieces obsequiously serve.

  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 09:08pm

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Thanks, Spork.  I had read that natural immunity was long-lasting (years) and diminished at a rate less than 1/10th that of the “vaccine”-conferred immunity, but I thought maybe some new evidence that I hadn’t seen had been discovered that contradicted this  (against all logic, but I’m not a biologist).

I’m wondering how the MSM is supporting this new piece of propaganda.  There must be some directive coming down from TPTB to push this crap on the public to justify the continuation of the injection madness (injections for everyone, regardless of [beliefs, age, gender, medical conditions or] prior infection status).  I guess they’re counting on people to just accept it as fact.  Or maybe they don’t even care whether it’s believed; maybe the plan is to smear anybody who challenges this as a crackpot, then associate the evidence with the victim so that the evidence is deemed “debunked” by association with the then-infamous purporter.

  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 09:43pm   (Reply to #3)

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I can help here, sadly. It’s probably based on this study:

‘Now a team of scientists led by faculty at Yale School of Public Health and the University of North Carolina at Charlotte have an answer. Strong protection following natural infection is short-lived.

“Reinfection can reasonably happen in three months or less,” said Jeffrey Townsend, the Elihu Professor of Biostatistics at the Yale School of Public Health and a lead author of the study. ‘

Although reinfection is possible in that time frame everything I’ve read suggests a time frame of 6 -18 months is far more the normal minimum reinfection window for human coronaviruses. The three month idea is being used to help push vaccinations imho.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/10/211004104303.htm

  • Wed, Oct 20, 2021 - 11:43pm

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This study relies on a model based on other corona viruses rather than actual data from COVID infections.  Pretty sure Chris presented data from another study (based on Israel’s experience I believe) that showed 6x longer immunity from natural immunity vs the vaccine.  It’s outrageous that they can make a claim like this based on a theoretical model when there is real world data out there that can inform the discussion and that is inconsistent with their model!

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 01:44am

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This argument makes me laugh.  All immunization is based on the immunity you acquire from infection.  Your body responds to a infectious agent, and once you survive and recover – you immune system has been educated to that pathogen and is no longer naive to it.      All the vaccines are fake simulated attempts to reproduce this effect.   There is no way even in real world , you can make a copy of a document and reproduce it and end up with higher more clear resolution of the document.   At absolute perfection of immunizing with the exact pathogen you could not achieve greater than 100% of the equivalent – and it would be deemed successful if were merely only 50% as effective as naturally acquired immunity.    So, anyone that wants to suggest you get better protection from a vaccine is absolutely lying.  As there is nothing in the theory of immunization or the practice that could even explain such a mechanism.

The truth is , there is no actual part of any virus in the vaccines, so at best, your immune system would only learn to respond to what is in the vaccine, which is not the same as what is nature, though it may be close..  The actual hope with this vaccine is there is enough similarity, that you body would be “CONFUSED”  and think the virus is one and the same.   But since the vaccine is only working off a very very small single character of the virus,  there is no way the vaccine can account for the natural immune response to the other characters of the virus.

You would have to be brain dead as a scientist to not understand this.   They are not brain dead.  However they have all received their fair share of greater than several millions to tell you so.  There are times I ,myself, would tell you the same if paid this much money.  Except, I would ultimately have to draw the line, if it harmed or killed people, as it does.   If you are trying to measure some immune level of response like how long B antibodies last, you can stimulate this with no viral agent.  It can be done with aluminum and mercury and adjuvants.   It is not relevant to actual immunity.   They are playing us continually, to conflate the issue.

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 03:40am   (Reply to #2)

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    Claim That Natural Immunity Last Half As Long As “Vaccinated” Immunity

natural immunity is clinically proven to be un-profitable

let me fix for you a small omission… to be politically correct 😉  ->  natural immunity is scientifically and clinically proven to be un-profitable

because we all believe in science… or do we?

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 04:26am

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Apparently it’s not a reinfection that is occurring. It’s that the virus hangs around in the intestinal tract and can recirculate at any time with a gut issue etc. Most of us have very poor intestinal microbiome through poor diet, pesticides, antibiotics, etc.

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 05:11am

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Indeed a good point Canucian,

I picked up a mention in one of the videos with Dr Mc Cullough, it was just in a fraction of a second, where he pointed at the importance of the Bifidobacter for the immune system.  So I looked after natural ways to get more of them and saw what I liked already anyway… yogurt, kefir, seaweed and my favorite… Sauerkraut 😀

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    ha ha! Let’s create a model and not check it against real-world data

I spent 10 years on a team of numerical weather prediction model developers.  Our cycle was: develop – validate (against real world data) – tweak – repeat until you get something that better replicates the real world and that’s your new version – then repeat the entire cycle.

Their’s seems to be – develop based upon a slightly or very different real analog – don’t tweak it or perhaps tweak it to suggest natural immunity is short lives – report proudly to the world with no validation against real world data.

They are the laughing stock of modelers.

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