China’s water and soil too far gone to support growing economy

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  • Tue, Dec 09, 2008 - 11:48pm

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    switters

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    Re: Time is a finite resource too

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Switters

You’re the one who claims we’re running out of energy and natural resources. Every time I try to explain why you are wrong and I get trashed for it.

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That’s because your arguments are speculative, illogical and completely unsupported by evidence. 

I agree that it’s a waste of your time to try to explain why I’m wrong. 

  • Wed, Dec 10, 2008 - 02:01am

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    Re: China’s water and soil too far gone to support growing …

Well Switters, now that we have that settled. I’m wondering what you think you can accomplish?

  • Wed, Dec 10, 2008 - 02:44am

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    Re: China’s water and soil too far gone to support growing …

[quote]Well Switters, now that we have that settled. I’m wondering what you think you can accomplish?[/quote]

I’ve spoken about that at length in many other posts.

I’m very active in my local community helping to bring folks up to speed on the challenges we’re facing, exploring strategies for increased energy independence, reducing consumption and waste, growing and storing food, raising animals, getting to know my neighbors, studying acupuncture and herbal medicine to be able to provide low-cost health care to my friends, family and community, facilitating a monthly meeting of 15 friends committed to exploring solutions on a local level, and investigating involvement with Oil Independent Oakland, Bay Area
Relocalize and the local Transition Town movement.  Also doing everything I can to raise awareness on these issues beyond my local community via this forum and other outlets.

What are you up to, hewittr (aside from "waiting on the sidelines")?

  • Wed, Dec 10, 2008 - 05:57am

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    Re: Capatilization and Enviromental or Resource issues ARE …

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Switters

You’re the one who claims we’re running out of energy and natural resources. Every time I try to explain why you are wrong and I get trashed for it. So there is no sense wasting any more time on it. You and the other neo-Malthusians can do the worrying. I’ll be looking for right time to invest in energy and resource stocks.

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You know Hewittr, I can see a slight possibility you might be learning something. Thanks for chilling out on the explanations.

What about the Crash Course CD’s. Have you decided to purchase any?  Could be a great time to get off the sidelines and into the Game ………and …….it’s a lot more fun.  Ya know….no standing around worring with the neo-M’s!

Cheers

  • Wed, Dec 10, 2008 - 06:10am

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    The world learns from what they think is the best example

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Asian politicians learmed from the west that political power comes with economic power. The genie is out of the bottle. You can’t stop capital growth. I’ll be standing on the sidelines watching the greens agonize over it.

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Sadly people who think like this are the minority. To spread the word and do our best to educate, reduce our footprint, and keep the communication lines open are our only weapons in this madness. I know it’s stupid to think I can make a major difference in the world, but I can make a difference in my family and the way we think about what we do, what is important to us on a consumer lever, and how we treat our earth.

A lot of people think living differently is living below standards, and some have even commented here we should bring the world to our standards of American life. Well the standards of American life are the worst standards in general to follow or aspire to. I will teach my children to respect the world, respect the environment, do what you can as an individual and as a group if possible, not to consume needlessy and not to leave anything behind but hopelessness for future generations.

Also, if you read up on a lot of the major Asian corporate CEO’s and executives, people in political power and people in the rich circles, you will see that the majority were educated in the United States, including our current President in TW, a Harvard Law graduate.

  • Wed, Dec 10, 2008 - 07:11am

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    China growth and Greener pastures

Who are you addressing Switters, me or hewittr?

 

 

  • Wed, Dec 10, 2008 - 07:13am

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    Re: China’s water and soil too far gone to support growing …

We all need to be thinking about how we can make a difference.  There are a few ways to start a trend which, unfortunately, happens to be the most effective way of changing peoples’ habits.  Here are a couple of things we can do, almost, on a daily level.

1.  Bring your own cloth bag for shopping purposes.  If the cashier gives you one, refuse it nicely.  There is no law that states your merchandise must be contained in a bag (other than liquor–in some states).

2.  If you get a coffee/latte then bring your own travel mug.  Many times there is a discount for those who bring in their own drink containers.  Do not get drinks at those places that do not allow you to bring in reusable cups (e.g. fast food restaurants).  When dining in a sit-down restaurant, with children, the restaurant usually brings out a plastic cup and lid for the child’s drink (which gets tossed out afterwards).  Take this cup home with you to use, or while ordering ask the waitress to bring the child’s drink contained in their regular glasses.

3.  Recycle your garbage.  Many districts/cities offer recycling at a minimal charge and/or a have central location for collecting.

4.  If you print something, such as maps and etc. (non-formal info.), use the backsides of other paper, i.e., if you must print on paper.  If retailers offer coupons, many coupons can be transmitted to a cell phone; bar-codes and all.  If you print things at work or school, feed in "recyclable paper" from the recycle bin.  If you need to send out "fliers" try to get as many notices on one page as possible rather than using the entire page for one flier.  Get a paper cutter.

5.  Save all of your organic material for compost.  If you don’t have/wish a garden, then see if a friend or neighbor wants it.  You might also get a few veggies later.

6.  Use less toilet paper!  Many kids use an extreme amounts of toilet paper.  Teach them the proper amounts to use.

7.  Don’t run unnecessary amounts of water.  Running water for the sake of running water wont do anything productive.  Turn the water off when: you brush your teeth, lather your dishes, lather in the shower.  If you must water your lawn then get a timer for your sprinkler system.  If you water a garden; get a timer for your sprinkler system.

8.  Turn down your heat in the winter.  Dropping your thermostat in the winter from 75 to 70 degrees will not "freeze people to death".  They should dress in warmer attire– It’s winter.

9.  Turn the lights off when not in use.  Some of the newer "energy reduction" light bulbs use less energy if you leave them on during a certain length of time.  E.g. if you toggling yourself between two rooms, it’s better to leave them on if you’re going back into those room within a short period of time.  If you’re away longer than 45 min. then you should leave them off.  With regular incandescent bulbs– just turn them off when not in use!

All of these things should reduce your cost of living.  It also reduces your carbon footprint.  After some practice and conditioning, it becomes effortless. 

  • Wed, Dec 10, 2008 - 02:33pm

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    switters

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    Re: China growth and Greener pastures

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Who are you addressing Switters, me or hewittr?

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I was resopnding to hewittr.

  • Wed, Dec 10, 2008 - 04:49pm

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    Ray Hewitt

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    Re: China’s water and soil too far gone to support growing …

Switters

That’s fine. But as far as the Asians go, all you can do is howl from the sidelines.

What are you up to, hewittr (aside from "waiting on the sidelines")?

Visit my website usbible.com. I don’t come here to promote it, but since you asked.

  • Wed, Dec 10, 2008 - 05:09pm

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    Re: China’s water and soil too far gone to support growing …

Thanks for chilling out on the explanations. 

It would take a lot more time and effort to pick your logic apart than I am willing to spend. I know from experience too that even then, I would get nowere.

What about the Crash Course CD’s. Have you decided to purchase any?  Could be a great time to get off the sidelines and into the Game ………and …….it’s a lot more fun.  Ya know….no standing around worring with the neo-M’s!

It’s not my cause. The Crash Course only reinforced my convictions of the opportunities ahead.

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