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  • Mon, Feb 10, 2014 - 08:51pm

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    Chemtrails are real

Former Air Force insider, whistleblower Kirsten Meghan, reveals the truth of chemtrails (Environment E).

http://beforeitsnews.com/chemtrails/2014/02/military-insider-comes-forwa

  • Tue, Feb 11, 2014 - 04:19am

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    I remain unconvinced…

Some of the origins of the Chemtrails legend;

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/how-did-barium-get-into-chemtrails.210/

  • Tue, Feb 11, 2014 - 12:21pm

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    Thanks Jim

[quote=Jim H]

Some of the origins of the Chemtrails legend;

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/how-did-barium-get-into-chemtrails.210/

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You just linked one of the classical, paid shill, mis/dis-information, debunking sites that we should eschew.  Did you watch the geo-engineering video I posted on the California drought thread?  Aluminum is the biggy … in nanoparticle form … not found in nature.  

BTW, Jim, what did you think about PMs 15 years ago … and eating grains?  You dig deep, you'll find the truth here too.;-)

 

  • Tue, Feb 11, 2014 - 04:05pm

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    Thanks Exo…

You are absolutely right when you say that I did not know a thing about the nature of debt-based fiat money, nor the need for Gold even 10 years ago (my first purchase was in 2009).  It was only in the last year or two, thanks in large part to the work of Sandpuppy here at PP.com, that I have opened my mind to considering what really happened on 9/11.  For these reasons, I did not say, "No way Exo.. that's just conspiracy theory!".  I am more measured for sure these days. 

That being said, even if there is some actual geo-engineering taking place.. I presently believe that the vast majority of "chemtrails" folks point to are indeed water vapor (cloud) based contrails.  I believe this in part based on common sense – commercial aircraft are engineered to use every pound of available payload capacity to commercial use… there is just no way that these could be retrofitted to have the delivery systems, and especially the raw material (Al or Ba nanoparticles) storage to do this on the scale that is imagined.  As well, I have a cousin who is a captain for Southwest airlines… and when you are the captain, you are responsible for that plane.  You talk to the mechanics, and you know the plane's systems inside out.. there is nothing that is a "secret" to you about the plane.  Pilots are very vocal in calling bunk on the idea that commercial planes are doing some kind of spraying;

      http://www.chicoer.com/letters/ci_24844198/letter-chemtrails-debunked

As a professional pilot for the last 36 years, I was intrigued by the possibility that my profession had become an unwitting party in an international conspiracy intended to alter the weather patterns of the globe. Apparently, through aerial spraying of chemicals into our atmosphere, we have poisoned the planet and facilitated the negative weather phenomenon we witness today.

I went to the website he recommended (http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org) and found the presentation by Dane Wigington. While Wigington has accumulated factual weather data, his conclusions (in my opinion) are incorrect. This is a person who started with a preconceived conspiracy theory based on supposed "chemtrails" and went in search of proof. The data he provides are, in fact, the documentable effects of global climate change and very little else.

"Contrails" are merely water vapor in the atmosphere that condenses through heating by combustion from a jet engine. The most prevalent time that you will see them is just before a storm front when water vapor levels are high. The amount of time they stay visible is dependent upon the winds aloft and the amount of water vapor present.

Brace opines that pilots have the ability to "turn the spraying on or off." In order for this conspiracy to be effective, the FAA, aircraft manufacturers, airlines, mechanics and pilots all must be complicit — while keeping it all completely secret. Really?

Here is a website on contrails for anybody's reference: http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/fgz/science/contrail.php?wfo=fgz.

— John Nunes, Forest Ranch

So again.. are there a few Gov't planes doing things they don't want us to know about… I don't know but I wouldn't argue against it.  Are commercial jets, en mass, spreading particles high up to some kind of geo-engineering or other end?  I see no evidence of this, and it makes no sense to me.  Find me a pilot, or a trained scientist who actually believes this.   

  • Wed, Feb 12, 2014 - 03:16am

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    Chemtrails, Agent Orange, Mena coke, money, and closed mouths

Jim,

As far as I remember, there was nothing about commercial jets spraying.  If you watched the videos that I posted here and the other thread, you'll see it would appear to be a dedicated fleet and there appears to be some USAF involvement but no one says the aircraft are exclusively theirs.  Plenty of pilots who flew over Vietnam spraying Agent Orange, Agent Blue, Agent Orange, etc. definitely believe in chemtrails and are very cognizant of the difference between contrails and chemtrails. 

How about all the aircraft that flew into Mena, Arkansas with cocaine with the permission of both Clinton and Bush?  Were these commercial?  How much have those pilots talked?  Oops, I forgot about Barry Seal, youngest 747 pilot in the country at one time.  He talked … and got offed.  Tends to cause lockjaw in the others.

As far as most "trained scientists" (as opposed to untrained scientists???), most have government grants, government contracts, large corporate paymasters, etc.  How many of them are willing to risk their source of income? 

Why do you believe PM markets are manipulated?  How many of the best and brightest in the financial world from Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, and the other bullion banks are coming forward and confirming this?  Find me a GS or JPMC trader who actually believes this.;-)  Point made?

How about your clandestine buddy, Dave Fairtex, and his secrecy about his background?  Darned if I know what that's about.;-) 

Note any similarities?;-)

 

  • Wed, Feb 12, 2014 - 07:41am

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    Jet Spraying Video, Watching Your Cows

This 3 minute video clip was influential in my thinking about the subject of geo-engineering.

It seems clear to me that somebody is spraying something high in the atmosphere. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z_PG3HLc5o

It is also clear, that as JHK said, we are "awash in a sea of lies."  And this subject will be no different.

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A Zen teacher, Shunryu Suzuki, describes his meditation practice as like sitting on the hillside watching the cows.  In this metaphor, the cows are his thoughts and feelings.  He doesn't try to control them, he just watches and gets to know them all by name.  Intimacy forms.  He gets to know each, their quirks and habits, comings and goings, preferences–what makes each of them tick.

For me, and others, something similar is happening as we watch the oligarchy.  A kind of intimacy has formed as I get to know their ways.  I imagine that I know where they are coming from, their psychological / moral developmental level, what they will do, and most important: WHY.  It is an intuitive sense of knowing them.

It is my intuitive sense that for the oligarchy, exploiting the world and her resources in every possible creative way for power and profit is 100% their normal mode of operation.  They come from Spiral Dynamics ORANGE level (with a RED underbelly) which is fairly undisturbed by suffering caused to other human lives, the destruction of rivers, forests, oceans or the salmon populations in the Klamath River in California.  Their goal is to win ever greater control of wealth and resources.  They may feel some regrets at the collateral damage, but not nearly enough to back off from the central concern of the ORANGE meme, which is to win the game of controlling the world.

So, something like geo-engineering seems like exactly what I would expect from them. 

 

  • Wed, Feb 12, 2014 - 01:21pm

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    “Endgame” books 1 and 2

by Derrick Jensen (sp) i finished them only days ago and still waffle between despair and empowerment

  • Wed, Feb 12, 2014 - 02:31pm

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    Still not convinced about chemtrails

The videos people post of chemtrails turning on and off are most likely depictions of planes flying in and out of atmospheric layers with different temp/humidity levels.  These do not exist in perfectly horizontal layers… picture a wavy line across a page and a plane flying straight across it, in and out of the two layers.  

Secondly, while contrails are most often triggered by the water vapor in the engine exhaust, they can also be triggered by changes in pressure in wingtip vortices, or in the air over the entire wing surface as depicted in the video above.  This is the most simple explanation for what we are seeing.  

While the reasons behind Gold manipulation are very clear to me, the reasons for spreading particulates in the air are not.  These particles, if they exist, are going to spread in unpredictable ways, and are going to be cleared via rain at some point.. i.e. temporary.  It would seem that, if real, it is a peashooter approach.  Approach to what though?  

  • Wed, Feb 12, 2014 - 05:58pm

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    I remain open to learning more

I am initially very skeptical for two reasons. First, I trained as a commercial pilot (I'm rated, but have never been employed in the industry).  I can confirm first hand that in certain atmospheric conditions even small planes will produce contrails due only to pressure variation over the wings. Jets produce them from the engine and the wings depending on conditions.  Also, as noted above, the pilot of any aircraft is intimately familiar with every inch of the aircraft down to the chemical tolerances and interactions of the hydraulic fluid in the landing gear. It would be very difficult to sneak something by them.  Knowing a few very well I can tell you professional pilots are type-A's (maybe that's why the career didn't work out for me) and not the type to participate in conspiracy (at least en masse).

Second, I am involved in the chemical industry professionally (often times to my chagrin) and the volume of chemicals that would be required for a project on the scale of geo-engineering would be huge!  With an operation that large it would be very difficult to prevent any leaks or suspicion. I'm not saying it's impossible, but think of the supply chains, the fake customers you would need to deter attention, the operations and manufacturing staff, the distribution, the regulators that would have to be either kept in the dark or paid off, the airport staff who would have to replace depleted chemicals, the concerned neighbors asking about what is being produced at the plant down the street etc.

Like I said, I remain open to learning more, but I just don't see it.  That said over the last five years my views on conspiracy has shifted. I have become quite skeptical of official media, but I still recognize that there are legitimate conspiracies and there are those that are just theories. I try to let the evidence guide my judgment.

  • Wed, Feb 12, 2014 - 07:23pm

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    Chemical/Powder volumes..

Tallest… as a fellow chemical guy (Semiconductor industry supply chains) I have had many of the same thoughts.. how the hell would this work if it were so?  You would need an operation essentially on par in scope with that needed to keep the planes in fuel.  As well, small particles, and especially true nanoparticles (as some contend), don't just grow on trees.. the production processes necessary to create these materials (say, fumed Aluminum oxide that has been de-agglomerated down to near it's root, surface area-derived  crystallite size) are not generally super large scale.  While the planes would be the head of the beast, you would have to have entire industries below the head starting with the raw materials as mined, through raw material purification and conversion, and finally to particle formation either through fuming or some kind of agglomeration/precipitation… like you say, one hell of a thing to keep secret.  

So, the bottom line is, even if this stuff is being sprayed only by military planes… where is it coming from?  How is the elephant being hidden?        

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