Can You Pass The Iran Quiz?

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  • Mon, May 03, 2010 - 02:55pm

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This is so wonderfully subversive!

If you’ve been following Scott Ritter at all, you’ve known for a long time that the political class has launched a propaganda war against Iran.  Truth of the matter is that Iran is a problem because Iran won’t be pushed around by a bunch of imperialists who want to bend the world to their whims.  Whims like controlling all of Iran’s resources, labor, markets, finance, and anything else that will turn a profit.  Whatever you can say about the Iranian political class, they haven’t sold out the Iranian people to the international plunder-ocracy.

  • Mon, May 03, 2010 - 03:25pm

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strabes – I agree that faces behind the people add a human touch.  I don’t want to imagine the faces of the 1.3 million Iraqis that we killed over bogus WMDs that were created by Bush and Blair.  In this area we had a controversy a couple years ago when the county parks killed some geese that were annoying many in a park.  After it happened outraged citizens wanted to ensure that it could never happen again.  Compare that with killing 1.3 million people over lies and no one seems to care – no one is accountable.

agitating prop – good work getting them all right!  The prayer percentage surprised me, I assumed more prayed on Fridays than a paltry 1.4%.

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You forgot to add that the current Middle Eastern Borders were drawn up by Winston Churchill and the British after World War I, precisely to split ethnic populations in Iran and Iraq (Turkey and the rest of the middle east for that matter) precisely to stir up conflict and keep them weak…To be fair though you cannot equate the peaceful Iranian people with their government who is murdering them daily and supplying and supporting insurgencies in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Lebanon.

Great point on the borders.  And I agree that the people do not share full blame for the totalitarian regime that runs the country just as Americans are not fully accountable for the crimes against humanity committed by the U.S.  I’ve seen articles suggesting that Iran supports and supplies insurgents in Afghanistan, Iraq and Lebanon but I’m not sure how much – any links would be appreciated.  I guess the other question becomes are these people “insurgents” or “freedom fighters”?

ao –  I think you are right in saying that people are divided by demonizing propaganda.  I remember during the propaganda phase, before the second Iraq attack, that  there were reports that Iraqi newborns were having their incubators (or whatever they people tiny babies in) turned off because of the evil Saddam.

Johnson – you mentioned Hamas and Hezbollah but I’m not sure why…are you suggesting that Iran created these organizations in the same way that the CIA may have created Al Qaeda or the TalibanCheck out the video below:

BBC Special – The Power of Nightmares“In the past our politicians offered us dreams of a better world.  Now they promise to protect us from nightmares. The most frightening of these is the threat of an international terror network.  But just as the dreams were not true, neither are these nightmares.

In a new series, the Power of Nightmares explores how the idea that we are threatened by a hidden and organized terrorist network is an illusion.  It is a myth that has spread unquestioned through politics, the security services and the international media.”

Larry

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Without Iranian support with arms and money, Hamas and Hezbollah would not have the power to subvert areas in the Middle East at the expense of the native populations…   No relativism here, just an observation…

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So Iran supports Shia militias in Lebanon and Palestine. And your point is??

The US has been supporting all types of shady characters for a loong time. The US supported the Shah who brutalized his people. Rumsfeld is seen shaking hands with Saddam Hussein. How about all the African dictators the US supported financially and miitarily.

Also, Hamas used violence against Israel just as Israel used violence against the Palestinian people. Most recently, as Hamas became the gov in Gaza, they have become much more moderate. Other nations are willing to have dialogue with them but the ultra paranoid and cruel israeli leadership would never open comm with them. Israel does not want peace with the Palestinians, they want them OUT.

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Without Iranian support with arms and money, Hamas and Hezbollah would not have the power to subvert areas in the Middle East at the expense of the native populations…   No relativism here, just an observation…

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As others have pointed out, Hamas and Hezbollah aren’t the offensive subversive force, but the defensive force, struggling to retain their country’s sovereignty, autonomy.  Israel is the neighbourhood bully. Sad, but true.

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Thanks Larry,

Here are direct links to the three full “The Powers of Nightmares” episodes.  I like Adam Curtis but he is hardly what I would call unbiased.  This is very similar to his other series like “The Trap” and “The Century of the Self”.  At least in this one he spend most of his time trashing neo-cons and islamic fundamentalists.

I still hold on the the fantasy that someday Christians will wake up, realize that being pro-war is incompatible with their core beliefs, and they would join the anti-war left and the old right in a coalition against what should be everyones common enemy, the NEO-CON!

PART 1

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2798679275960015727#

PART 2

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6277881193659506084#

PART 3

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2081592330319789254#

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  • Tue, May 04, 2010 - 07:21pm

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[quote=agitating prop]

[quote=Johnson]

Without Iranian support with arms and money, Hamas and Hezbollah would not have the power to subvert areas in the Middle East at the expense of the native populations…   No relativism here, just an observation…

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As others have pointed out, Hamas and Hezbollah aren’t the offensive subversive force, but the defensive force, struggling to retain their country’s sovereignty, autonomy.  Israel is the neighbourhood bully. Sad, but true.

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So you condone the intentional targeting and killing of civilians by Hamas and Hezbollah?  How is this any better than when Israel, America, or any Western nation happens to do the same?  Why should we not hold ALL parties responsible for their misdeeds?

Same thing when you voiced your support of Ahmedinajad.  Why in the world would you support a man who calls for wiping a nation off the face of the earth and provides a lot of financial and material support to organizations involved in the intentional targeting and killing of civilians?  Is it just because he happens to be anti-American?  I’m looking for some consistency here…

Quite frankly, I think Americans have a helluva lot in common with the Iranian people.  We are both reasonably well-educated, have a lot of unrealized potential, and have governments that not only restrict that potential but play dangerous and unethical games to gain ultimate power both in and outside their respective borders.  Rock on, Iranian people!  Ahmedinajad and those like him (both in Iran and America) deserve zero support, moral or otherwise.

– Nick

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[quote=agitating prop]

[quote=Johnson]

Without Iranian support with arms and money, Hamas and Hezbollah would not have the power to subvert areas in the Middle East at the expense of the native populations…   No relativism here, just an observation…

[/quote]

As others have pointed out, Hamas and Hezbollah aren’t the offensive subversive force, but the defensive force, struggling to retain their country’s sovereignty, autonomy.  Israel is the neighbourhood bully. Sad, but true.

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So you condone the intentional targeting and killing of civilians by Hamas and Hezbollah?  How is this any better than when Israel, America, or any Western nation happens to do the same?  Why should we not hold ALL parties responsible for their misdeeds?

Same thing when you voiced your support of Ahmedinajad.  Why in the world would you support a man who calls for wiping a nation off the face of the earth and provides a lot of financial and material support to organizations involved in the intentional targeting and killing of civilians?  Is it just because he happens to be anti-American?  I’m looking for some consistency here…

Quite frankly, I think Americans have a helluva lot in common with the Iranian people.  We are both reasonably well-educated, have a lot of unrealized potential, and have governments that not only restrict that potential but play dangerous and unethical games to gain ultimate power both in and outside their respective borders.  Rock on, Iranian people!  Ahmedinajad and those like him (both in Iran and America) deserve zero support, moral or otherwise.

– Nick

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Usually, the larger, or more powerful country in any skirmish is the one the offensive, the smaller less powerful on the defensive, so it’s actually not quite fair to judge their actions from a position of moral equivalence.  This is far different than condoning specific acts of violence. You don’t have to condone violence to understand it. I wouldn’t condone domestic violence either, but I would certainly want to know the dynamics that  made it possible, and would want to know who was beating who and who started it. If a young child strikes back at his abuser, who would blame him/her?  Who would respond to an act of self defense on the part of the child by saying, “Yes, but little Johnny hit his Dad when he was 4, that’s what started this whole conflict between them”  That would be ridiculous. Though Lebanon,Iran, Palestinians are hardly children, the difference in power between their country’s govts and Israel and U.S. is huge.

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Hi Nick

i think you should take a moment away from the MSM. Ahmedinijad did not call for the wiping of any country of the face of the map.It is a misquote of a statement that he made. The text of which I do not have at the moment but which basically says ” Israel will disappear from the pages of history”

Quite a different quote. If you listen to him you will find that much of what he says is right on.

He has been demonized by the Israeli controlled media in the US.

BTW The Iranian people are much better edumacated than mericans.

V

ps Why would you support an American gov. which has killed many more civilians than any country on the face of the Earth? Just asking

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goes211 – I really like your “neocon” logo! 

It made me think that if we are going to discuss Hamas and Hezbollah then shouldn’t the neocons and zionists be included?  All are promoting political/religious agendas.  Personally I think zionists and neocons are worse.  And I should point out that most zionists in the U.S. are fundamental Christians.

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