Book Review: The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7

Login or register to post comments Last Post 90571 reads   605 posts
Viewing 10 posts - 581 through 590 (of 605 total)
  • Fri, Sep 06, 2019 - 10:54am



    Status Bronze Member (Offline)

    Joined: Apr 29 2009

    Posts: 381

    count placeholder1+

    Kudos to UAF …

… for their dogged forensic persistence. I’m surprised their funding hasn’t been cut off, or worse.

People might strongly criticise the US government and its agencies, but I will say this: that American citizens still have the freedom to nose into this matter and haven’t had the 3am-knock-on-the-door, is most impressive. Good on you all.

One can only wonder what the Deep State is brooding on now.

And was the villainy worth it? Absolutely not. Of course not. It gave Bush the Younger and his handlers the excuse to cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war, and the outcomes have been appalling. TPTB may think they gained an advantage, but all that really happened is that the structure of the state has been hugely weakened.

Thanks for posting, T2H. It won’t be news to any of us here who have been saying this for years but it is nice to no longer be considered as part of the ‘lunatic fringe’.

  • Fri, Sep 06, 2019 - 12:20pm   (Reply to #580)



    Status Bronze Member (Offline)

    Joined: Nov 01 2009

    Posts: 137

    count placeholder6+

    re: Why, who would do this if this was planned?


Welcome to the rabbit hole!

The connection with 911 and Mossad / Likud party of Israel along with our own domestic 5th Colum of traitorous neocons and sayanim helpers like lucky Larry Silverstein is is readily apparent to anyone willing to look at the whole picture with open eyes and step outside the consensus trance of the official conspiracy theory and enculturation  narrative brought to us by our America Pravda media the  New York Times Wa Post et al and myth making Hollywood.

There are a host of motives for the Likud Party of Israel centered around a clearly elucidated strategy (The clean Break strategy)  of weakening and fragmenting their regional  MENA foes, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia Afghanistan and the big Kahuna,  Iran.  Sound familiar?

This List list predated 911 and required the military might of US and NATO to accomplish. The National trauma of a “New Pearl Harbor” was deemed necessary to get the American people on board with this “ War on Terror”

Interesting fact the Israeli firster Phillip Zelikow who’s was appointed to run/ compartmentalize the official 911 commission when the Cheney administration was forced into convening it, specialized in the arcane field of the dynamics of trauma as public policy myth/narrative shaping events!

The Israeli rational doing 911 and starting the War on Terror have to do with perceived security of becoming the regional hedgemon increasing control and access to critical resources of water, hydrocarbons, and land. Another huge motive was to forever Brand the Palastinians   as Arab Terrorists and kill the two State Solution.

The psyop was to bond the American experience with the “ besieged” psyche of The Israeli.  This was tellingly Revealed by the statement of one of the ‘Dancing Israeli’s (Mossad) caught observing and celebrating the planes striking the towers.  “ We’re Israelis,Were on your side”

For the non  Israeli old guard cold warrior domestic traitors involved like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Brezinzki etc the rational centered around the cold calculus of geostrategic dominance over the ascending powers of China and Russia for control of the critical remaining high EROI oil fields and pipelanistan routes critical to trade and control of Europe and Asia.

Cheney was very much aware of the implications and reality of Peak Oil

There are of course multiple layers agendas and motivations that were leveraged in this operation including the old standby, greed and profiteering as base as Silversteins insurance scam windfall, the insider trading, and of course the everpresent MIC and Now Security Industrial complex profit motives feasting on the money of warfare and Orwellian control power structures. However the guys pulling the strings were Israelis Sharon, Netanyahu, Ehud Barak et al and at the old guard Cold Warriors Cheney Rumsfeld etc

No doubt key players were also leveraged via blackmail of their control files.  This is SOP for intelligence agencies and the Mossad are leaders with this technique.  Epstein was definitely a Mossad control Op funded by Wexner  and other Sanayem Billionaires/mobsters of the Mega Group



  • Fri, Sep 06, 2019 - 01:32pm

    Chris Martenson

    Chris Martenson

    Status Platinum Member (Offline)

    Joined: Jun 07 2007

    Posts: 5297

    count placeholder6+

    Building 6 has caught my attention recently

After seeing the fused, melted concrete blob in building 6, I went on a hunt.

What do we know about it?  What’s the official story behind it?

Surprisingly, or not, there’s really no official narrative around it at all.

As the statist journal Wiki puts it in a single line (that’s all!):

The collapse of the North Tower destroyed Six World Trade Center beyond repair, and the remnants of the building were pulled down using cables.

So, it was the north tower collapsing that did it in, was it?  Let’s go hunt down some pictures, shall we?

Uh oh.  Would you look at that?

Holy smokes!  Building 6 is already burnt to a crisp.  Windows shattered,  smoky residue all over the exterior…and the north tower still stands.

Well, uh, maybe building 6 was unlucky and got smoked when the south tower came down?

Nope.  Here we see it all burnt up even as the south tower is still falling to the ground.:


Look, I know it must have been hard to try and pull off the largest deception ever in broad daylight without the benefit of any dress rehearsals and not make a few mistakes…but literally everywhere I look I find things that could not possibly be explained by 2 planes hitting two towers.

How exactly did building 6 get completely torched before either WTC 1 or WTC 2 fell?

That’s a great question.

Another one might be, how did it burn so intensely that concrete blobs melted and got fused with gun steel?

Weird right?

But you might as well ask “how was it that both cameras outside of Epstein’s cell were not working that day?”

If I were a prosecutor I could make the case that the 9/11 commission completely failed and that their version of events is completely wrong just using building 6.

Slam dunk.  Easy-peasy.

  • Fri, Sep 06, 2019 - 02:59pm



    Status Platinum Member (Offline)

    Joined: Feb 04 2009

    Posts: 1286

    count placeholder3+

    let me provide a simpler explanation

When there is coincidence after coincidence after coincidence after coincidence after coincidence after coincidence after coincidence after coincidence after coincidence after coincidence after coincidence after coincidence after coincidence, it ain’t no coincidence.

“There is no such thing as a coincidence”  The CIA

They basically learned after the JFK coup that they could get away with anything in broad daylight in front of the whole world as long as they controlled the narrative and denied, denied, denied.  9/11 is no different.

Hell, they even supported genocide months before the US declaration of war in WW2.  Read “Germany Must Perish” by Theodore Kaufman which promoted the physical extermination of all Germans and Germany itself.  Here were the reviews at the time in 1941.

“A sensational idea!”  Time Magazine

“A provocative theory – interestingly presented.”  Washington Post

“A plan for permanent peace among civilized nations.”  The New York Times

Do those publications ring a bell of familiarity in modern times?


Hell, they even supported genocide months before the US declaration of war in WW2.  Read “Germany Must Perish” by Theodore Kaufman which promoted the physical extermination of all Germans and Germany itself.  Here were the reviews at the time in 1941.

“A sensational idea!”  Time Magazine

“A provocative theory – interestingly presented.”  Washington Post

“A plan for permanent peace among civilized nations.”  The New York Times

Do those publications ring a bell of familiarity in modern times?


From Germany’s War, The Origins, Aftermath & Atrocities of World War II by John Wear.

“… I have always wondered how wars have continuously existed throughout history when virtually everyone agrees with my father that “War is Hell”.  In regard to the origin of World War II, a fascinating discussion occurred during the Nuremberg trials between American psychologist Dr. Gustave Gilbert and former German Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering.  On the evening of April 18, 1946, in Goering’s jail cell, Dr. Gilbert expressed his belief that the common people are not very thankful for leaders who bring them war and destruction.  Goering responded:

Why, of course, the poeople don’t want war.  Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back in one piece?  Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany,  That is understood.  But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.

Dr. Gilbert told Goering that there is one difference.  Gilbert said: “In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare war.”

Goering responded; “Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.  That is easy.  All you have to do is tell them they are being atttacked and denounce the pacifists for lack or patriotism and exposing the country to danger.  It works the same way in any country.”

  • Sat, Sep 07, 2019 - 11:13am



    Status Member (Offline)

    Joined: Oct 02 2010

    Posts: 62

    count placeholder2+

    There is one piece I still don't get oompletely

I can get that Israeli Intelligence/government knew about it before hand…    Isn’t flying into buildings enough to get us into the war on terror?  Why deliberately take down 3 buildings when people flying airplanes into the WTC is plenty terrifying enough?

It is a pretty risky thing to plan this extra layer of taking down the buildings with controlled demolition.  They put at risk being exposed, the country finding out and riding them out on a rail.  That is the piece I am still having trouble buying.  I can see them knowing about it before hand and letting it play out, even watch and keeping an eye on it to make sure it played out but then after it played out to add this extra layer of demoing the building?  There are a lot of elements in this that are very risky and out of their control that don’t seem worth the risk. What am I missing here?


  • Sat, Sep 07, 2019 - 11:29am



    Status Platinum Member (Offline)

    Joined: Apr 13 2011

    Posts: 2404

    count placeholder4+

    The evidence doesn't matter, if …..

… you can control the Overton Window.

Then I ask myself if all this is going on who would do 9/11 and why and why drop the extra tower?  I am not saying I believe all this absolutely but I am looking with eyes WIDE open right now.  What does Mossad have to do with this?

I can’t believe I’m thinking this!

Yes exactly!!  Sounds like you broke out of the box.  The Overton Window box.

As you know, the Overton Window is the range of subjects that respectable people can consider.  And since we all want to think of ourselves as respectable, and respected by our peers, there is an Overton Window limiting what WE permit ourselves to think in the privacy of our own minds.

For example:  I became certain that the towers were blown up and that the entire story of the 9/11 event made no sense in about 2005.  Yet it was not until 12 years later that a friend introduced me to the Israeli origins of the “war on terror” conceptual mechanism for justifying and selling  the “rightness” of political violence.  I now believe that the main drivers of the 9/11 events themselves came out of Israeli.  (Generous by-in and participation from the western MIC was also required.)

I just wouldn’t think that.

Evidence didn’t matter–I could not look at evidence, as the internal prohibition from “going there” was so immense.

Anyone who ventures here must watch for caustic derogatory labels when discussing or even privately think about this topic.   The purpose of this labeling is to limit thinking with harsh words of scorn, shame, ostracism.

JFK to 9/11:  50 Years of Deep State by Laurent Guyenot

Who are the Neoconservatives, by Laurent Guyenot

Solving 9/11 by Christopher Bollyn, many more

The Transparent Cabal: The Neoconservative Agenda, War in the Middle East, and the National Interest of Israel,  Stephen J. Sniegoski 

War in Iraq:  Conceived in Israel by Stephen Sniegoski

Israel:  Strategic ally or Liability  Stephen Sniegoski

And MANY others.



  • Sat, Sep 07, 2019 - 12:16pm



    Status Bronze Member (Offline)

    Joined: Jan 09 2016

    Posts: 192

    count placeholder1+

    why bring them down?

Why bring down the WTC?  Modern propaganda manipulates peoples emotions.  Something really dramatic had to be used since that WTC (1 or 2?) basement bomb back in the 90s did not result in a very profitable perpetual war.  A single “terrorist” was tracked down, tried, and imprisoned.  End of story.  Where’s the remote.  I don’t want to miss my Monday Night football game.  There’s no risk when you can flood the airwaves with Bread and Circuses and Spin the Wheels.

I know several structural engineers who are so war happy that they will dismiss the UAF study.  One PhD was totally freaked out when he learned of my opinion about 911.  He said that the building completely melted.  A few years later he progressed to the pancake theory.  He will not live long enough to finally accept the UAF study.  It’s like talking to the people at that Kentucky Creation Museum.  They say that humans and the dinosaurs coexisted and they were able to fit the dinosaurs onto Noah’s Ark since they only let the babies on.  At least they had “progressed” beyond the fossils are god’s way of challenging their faith.

  • Sat, Sep 07, 2019 - 12:26pm   (Reply to #588)



    Status Platinum Member (Offline)

    Joined: Jun 08 2011

    Posts: 2342

    count placeholder3+

    Re: why bring them down?

To induce widespread psychological trauma and pave the way for a carefully manipulated mass Stockholm syndrome via the MSM.

9/11 was primarily a Psychological Operation (PsyOp).

Fifth generation warfare.

  • This reply was modified 1 year ago by Time2helpTime2help.
  • Sat, Sep 07, 2019 - 12:47pm



    Status Bronze Member (Offline)

    Joined: Jan 09 2016

    Posts: 192

    count placeholder1+


Hey SP, I’m not sure if Bollyn has his head on straight.  I went to a talk of his a couple of years ago.  He said that the little lightning bolt between the jet and the south tower just before impact was proof that depleted uranium was in the nose of the plane.  I need a lot more than that to prove its existence.  And if it was needed for the plane to slice through the steel structure, then the entire plane would have to be made of it.

The first thing I noticed during the days that followed 911 was all of the crackpot theories that made it onto the mainstream news.  One claimed that what looked like a plane was actually a hologram.  99.9% of the people out there do not know what a hologram really is, but it sure does sound sexy.  It’s pretty obvious that it was an attempt to discredit any real investigation.  Something similar happened during an Occupy Wall Street protest in Minneapolis when under cover cops tried to hand out drugs.

Originally there was not going to be any 911 investigation.  When the Jersey girls forced the Cheney admin to start one, they tried to get Dr Death Kissinger to head it up.  They eventually spent less money than that spent investigating the presidential knee pads.

Viewing 10 posts - 581 through 590 (of 605 total)

Login or Register to post comments