Blood Clots in Astra-Zeneca vs. mRNA Vaccines

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  • Mon, Apr 19, 2021 - 01:18pm

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    Julianna

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    Blood Clots in Astra-Zeneca vs. mRNA Vaccines

On Friday, I read an article in the National Post that stated:

“According to a preprint study released Thursday by Oxford University researchers…suggests the vaccines carry a statistically similar risk of blood clotting  — four in one million for Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna…and five in a million for AstraZeneca.”

Wait, what?? The risk of blood clotting from the AZ vaccine is the same as it is for Pfizer and Moderna???  I was curious, so I reviewed the Oxford University preprint. Unless I’ve got something wrong (which is entirely possible), it looks even stranger. Two weeks after:

  • COVID diagnosis:  Risk of CVT (per million) = 39   Risk of PVT (per million) = 436.4
  • mRNA vaccine:  Risk of CVT (per million) = 4.1   Risk of PVT (per million) = 44.9
  • AZ vaccine: Risk of CVT (per million) = 5    Risk of PVT (per million) = 1.6

If the risk of developing a CVT is roughly the same for all vaccines, but the risk of developing a PVT is MUCH greater for the mRNA vaccines, why are they sounding the alarm over the AZ vaccine only? Am I missing something?

  • Mon, Apr 19, 2021 - 02:03pm

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    Blood Clots in Astra-Zeneca vs. mRNA Vaccines

I did the same calculations yesterday by putting them in a table as you have.  Dr. John Campbell’s 18 Apr 2021 update added Janseen vaccine: Risk of CVT (per million) of 0.8.  No data for PVT that I’m aware of yet.

You could ask the same equation on why is there a pause for J&J and such alarm about it as well?

  • Mon, Apr 19, 2021 - 02:25pm

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    Mike from Jersey

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I read that study as well.

If they stopped the J&J inoculations based upon the blood clots, then the should have stopped the Pfizer and Moderna inoculations as well.

But they didn’t.

It is yet another part of the Covid 19 story that just doesn’t make sense.

The only thing that I could think of is this.

If they stopped all vaccines it would be tantamount to an admission that the whole mass vaccination program had been a mistake.

They couldn’t do that, so they scapegoated J&J.

That is just my guess. Maybe there is another explanation. But if there is another explanation, it is not being reported.

  • Mon, Apr 19, 2021 - 02:31pm

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Might be that the moderna and AZ vaccs are being rolled out primarily in Europe where they might have better patient advocacy. Here in the USA deaths after getting the shot are rarely reported, and I doubt they are investigating any.

A friend of the family [age 67 ] died days after getting the shot. To my knowledge they didnt do any investigation. They listed the cause of his death as “covid”, rolled him out the back door and that was the end of it.

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“If the risk of developing a CVT is roughly the same for all vaccines, but the risk of developing a PVT is MUCH greater for the mRNA vaccines, why are they sounding the alarm over the AZ vaccine only? Am I missing something?’

A large part of the focus the dangers of the AZ version is the result of a deliberate smear campaign from the EU, partly to hobble the UK after Brexit and largely to cover the ineptitude of the EU’s catastrophic handling of their own vaccine procurement:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/03/23/scapegoating-britain-will-not-save-europe-self-made-disaster/

AZ also made their product available “at cost” – as a service to the world.  Which means it is 1/5 the price of the Moderna and 1/9 the cost of the Pfizer versions.

Give the moral depravity of pharma corps that has come to light since this pandemic began, I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re also seeing an inter corporation information war/smear fight for market share.

 

 

 

 

 

  • Tue, Apr 20, 2021 - 12:49am

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Hi all,

I think that we should not forget that these companies or commercial entities. They are not into this game for the good of humankind, but they are in it to make money; controlled health is just a business model. The less competition, the better for ones wallet. To me this is amoral, not immoral. We accept it from other companies, so why not from pharma? After all, those of us who like sports, applaud “our” team when they win, and we tend to forgive foul play, it was all for the goal right?

To me the biggest surprise is actually that people are surprised. Do you really believe that Libya was invaded to bring democracy? Or that Iraq was invaded to free the Iraqees? Do you really believe that the Western world did not learn from the nazi’s how to experiment on whole swats of the population? The Nuremberg Codex? sure, all good and well, but printed on toilet paper, you can still wipe your behind with it, like what is happening now.

However, I do understand that a lot of people do not see this crisis for what it is: a gift of freedom, an agent for growth. It allows us to break free from our childish believes that companies want the best for us, that the people who govern us are morally superior, that we are helpless. Yes, of course, this is a painful process, just like discovering that Santa Klaus, or, Sinterklaas in the Netherlands, did not exist, and that our parents lied to us. We will go through the phases of mourning, but in the end we will see a different world, ugliness will be more ugly, but beauty will be more beautiful. It is just like breathing: you do not fight it, but accept it as a gift. Of course, it, and the authorities actions/inactions, wreak havoc. But I will tell you a secret, we will all die. Dying is the easy part in this life. Living, loving, accepting and  growing is the difficult part.

Take care,

Dave

  • Tue, Apr 20, 2021 - 07:14am

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    Blood Clots in Astra-Zeneca vs. mRNA Vaccines

I’m curious too why J & J was paused but not the mRNA vaccines because from what I’ve read there are deaths linked to all of them.

I got the J & J 10 days ago. The first two days were intense — fever and elevated heart rate (since I had Covid prior that probably contributed to more intense side effects, from everything I hear from others’ vaccine experiences of those who have had Covid) — and then have been fine since, and actually in some ways better than my pre-vaccine long-hauler baseline.  I’m not sure the J & J is any less safe than the other two.

Although I’m a formerly very healthy individual suffering from long-haul Covid issues and for multiple reasons I ultimately decided to get the vaccine, I question the media narrative on Covid and vaccines. It frustrates me that there is no room for legitimate questions and concerns about the vaccines. In today’s media environment, one is put into either 100% pro-vaccine camp or the anti-vax camp. There’s no room for nuanced views anywhere on the spectrum between them. Even though I decided to get the J & J, I fully respect the decision of those who have decided not to get the vaccine. It’s the PR messaging that bothers me, the message that vaccines are completely safe. I’d much prefer being fully transparent about risks vs benefits, both known and unknown.

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