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  • Sun, May 13, 2012 - 06:56am

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    FreeSpiritTom

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    Best country to live in for the coming years

I have been reading and searching the forums for some time looking for a thread that covers this topic, and haven’t found one yet.   If one already exists, please point me to it.

I am concerned about where I see the US going and have been thinking about leaving to live in another country.  I have lived in one other country outside the US for nearly a year, and have visited 8 others.  I haven’t at all decided where to move to.  There are so many things to consider, and the things that are important to me may be very low on other’s lists of priorities.  The topics to consider for such a move include health care, taxation, safety, legal protections, economic inequality, job opportunity, and even the time zone or distance from the US.

Are there other CM members here who are thinking of becoming expats and living somewhere else for a while (or permanently)?  If so, what have you found to be the more desirable countries to live in, in your case, and why?

 

I suppose everyone would have their own reasons for leaving the US, or even renouncing their citizenship.  Some of my reasons are:
1) The US dollar is in severe decline and in danger of losing it’s status as the world’s reserve currency (andy the resultant hyper-inflation that will ensue when that happens)
2) The real inflation rate percentage in the US being in the teens or 20’s for the last several years, with no relief in sight. (That is, when you count things like food, fuel and housing in your inflation calculations)
3) DHS and other federal agencies restricting and disrupting freedoms of movement, speech, communication, etc., and the US rapidly becoming a fascist police state. 

Some reasons I haven’t left the US yet, and are very much worth considering are:
1) It’s still the richest country in the world, and nearly anywhere else I move to (in my personal financial circumstances), I will have a lower standard of living.  Though I may live a relatively affluent lifestyle in most 3rd world cuntries, I don’t believe it will actually be a higher overall standard of living than I currently have in the US.

2) Psychologically, it is easier to "deal with the demon you know vs. the demon you don’t know".  For any other country I move to, the citizens there will likely consider me an outsider for years to come.  And I’ll have to learn and deal with all the new laws and customs, many of which I might not particularly care for.  Some customs I might even find totally unacceptable, such as the tendency of law enforcement to completely ignore rape incidents, which is commonly the case in some countries.

  • Sun, May 13, 2012 - 01:31pm

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    Best country

For too many reasons to outline here, when the time comes my choice is Costa Rica. My best advice would be to spend some vacation time in the Pacific North West of this beautiful country and see for yourself. Do some research, they’re not perfect but they do a lot of things right.  I live in Canada and clearly see the direction we are going in necessitating a move within the next 5 years. New Zeland would be my second choice if it wasn’t so far away.

  • Thu, May 17, 2012 - 09:41am

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    reflector

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    chile too

you may want to check out sovereignman.com web site for info on international relocation.

he seems to speak highly of chile. and paraguay too.

 

  • Mon, Jul 16, 2012 - 07:40pm

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    MARviKmark

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    New Zealand

My wife and I have discussed this topic extensively and at the end of the day New Zealand comes out top for us. Our thinking goes like this:

  • Sparsely populated country
  • Generates most of its power from hydro and hence only country not dependent on coal etc 
  • Big moat around it! 
  • English speaking and culturally similar to us (we live in South Africa)
  • Plenty of fresh water
  • Rule of 
  • law and property rights

Costa Rica sounds nice as well though!

  • Tue, Jul 17, 2012 - 12:20am

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    New Zealand

NZ is without a doubt a relatively nice, civilised place, particularly outside of Auckland, although even it is certainly a very nice medium sized city, as far as cities go.

I have lived for nearly 35 years in Brisbane, the capital of the state of Queensland which occupies the north eastern quarter of Australia. It is also a very nice place, particularly in terms of the climate which is sub-tropical without being overly hot even in summer due to evening sea breezes. Central heating is virtually unknown, and still today many houses have no air conditioning.

There are many New Zealanders in Brisbane and elsewhere in Australia, due in part to lack of legal barriers to citizens moving between the two countries. But there is also a practical economic reason why many New Zealanders have moved to Oz. NZ still has a basically agrarian sheep and dairy based economy, supplemented by horticulture. It lacks the natural resources and population mass to support any heavy industry, and not a whole lot in the way of light industry either. That may make it easier to keep the environment relatively pristine, but does not generate a whole lot of materially productive urban job opportunities. Also, service industries are not over developed. So, in comparison to Australia, incomes are relatively low, whereas prices, particularly for what has to be imported, like automobiles and other manufactured goods, are relatively high, although Chinese imports have had their effects there too.

My long held view of living in NZ has been that if one had a sufficient secure, steady income from some external source, it would indeed be a top choice of a country in which to relocate permanently. But it is not the best of places to attempt to earn a comfortable living, depending of course on one’s skill set.

  • Tue, Jul 17, 2012 - 10:47am

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    New Zealand

“I have lived for nearly 35 years in Brisbane, …… and still today many houses have no air conditioning.”

Are you kidding?  I’ve lived in the Brisbane area (now on the Sunshine Coast) for almost 50 years.  It’s getting hotter and hotter, and we seriously considered moving to NZ until the last big Earthquake hit Christchurch… which made us decide to go to Tasmania.

Every house around us bar three has two aircons or more.  Make no mistake, they reverse cycle them in winter!

Let me know if you’re ever interested in buying a state of the art energy efficient house on 1.5 acres of permaculture….!

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http://damnthematrix.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/renew-magazine-has-feature…

Mike

  • Mon, Oct 01, 2012 - 03:46am

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    So Far Costa Rica is my choice

I have thought about the question you posed FreeSpiritTom for a long time.  I have looked at alot of countries and so far my favorite is still Costa Rica (primarily for the freedom, the healthy lifestyle and beautiful countryside/weather & people, and relative ease of getting back and forth to USA).  The biggest downside is its Spanish speaking but enough people speak English that you can get by without knowing Spanish.  I have bought property there in the 90’s and is where I am considering my alternate home if things in the US get really bad.  Everything grows in CR so if your goal is sustainable living off the land its hard to imagine a better place than that (abundant rainfall also).   I am continuing to research other countries…havent been to Australia and New Zealand yet and want to visit there as well as Panama & Honduras before concluding CR is best.  Will keep checking this site to see others advice.

  • Mon, Dec 03, 2012 - 12:48am

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    No Nukes in NZ

One reason I have been considering New Zealand is the dirth of any nuclear plants.  The biggest worry is that a natural disaster will shut off power to plants and they’ll meltdown or the spent fuel pools will destabilize and explode.   At that point it really won’t make any difference what your climate is if you’re eating cessium in toxic quantities with every meal.  And on a side note, how are we going to “decomission” these plants in an energy constrained future?  Maybe folks displaced by climate change or poverty will take the money over the risks to safely turn off the nuclear plants but that’s a big if…..

South America has been a decent consideration but I think I’d stick out much less in NZ and the climate is similar.

  • Sun, Mar 10, 2013 - 01:45am

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    From the perspective of rainfall

Has anyone considered this from the perspective of what precipitation patterns will be in 20 years?  If we buy the premise of this site, and I do, that energy flow is the biggest factor that affects societal complexity with much else simply being random fractal effects of pushing more energy through a society, then as energy flow gets more expensive, then society will have to become less complex.  This means that regions that currently spend a lot of energy trying to overpower local nature may not be able to continue to do so.  See Las Vegas and much of the farmland of the US that is dependent on irrigation coming from water sources that are essentially non renewable.  The last 100 years were spent in an orgy of nation building due to cheap oil.  The next 100 years will be spent fighting over whose population will take the brunt of the death that must occur to bring our population back in line with what is sustainable from an economic perspective, even more so from an energy perspective, but most specifically from a water perspective.  Before this is done I expect international conflict over things like towing icebergs back to home countries as fresh water becomes more and more scarce.

So, if we are looking for a way to build a life less dependent on energy sources  that may not be available, we also have to consider that we probably will not be able to irrigate.  This is complicated by global warming, which we pretty much have to accept even though it may entirely be due to sun or long wave climate cycles, not necessarily anthropogenic.

So, the question I have is, if climate continues to change, has anyone found any resources or studies that would suggest what parts of the world would still be able to grow food based on their own rainfall as this climate changes?  As I understand it, the center of the US will become hotter and drier, and these regions will go back to being the only thing they historically have enough rainfall to support, which is grassland.

 

  • Tue, Jun 18, 2013 - 02:38am

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    Rwrek

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    What about Belize?

It is with great reluctance i even think of leaving the US but as We approach retirement, the financial path for the country could destroy a modest resource of savings quickly. Not to mention tbe insanity of leadership(?) From both parties. Belize is English speaking, has great retirement incenttives, is able to feed itself and is not costly to live there (unless you want prime spots). What am I missing?

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