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  • Wed, Mar 07, 2012 - 04:53pm

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    Davos

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    ewilkerson wrote:I grew up

ewilkerson wrote:

I grew up with one as a father.  He was, also, a narcissist  .  I believe the two run hand in hand a lot of times.  Everything is all about them and what they want no matter what it takes to get it.  No laws apply to them, and they feel they can treat others any way they want.

 

Ernest

  • 5:50 There is actually a cluster of traits that we refer to as, “The Dark Triad of Personality” called Machiavellianism, Psychopathy & Narcissism. 
  • 6:00 Overlap, but are distinct their unique aspects.
  • 6:10 Machiavellian’s are liars and callous but they also have a lot of long-term planning.
  • 6:30 The narcissist is the spokesperson
  • 6:37 The henchmen are the frontment, aggressively climbing his way, that is really the psychopath.
  • 6:50 When you get these 3 together in an organization it is a particularly toxic outcome because they feed off each other’s unethical behavior.
  • Wed, Mar 07, 2012 - 07:42pm

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    ewilkerson

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    Davos wrote 5:50 There is

Davos wrote

5:50 There is actually a cluster of traits that we refer to as, “The Dark Triad of Personality” called Machiavellianism, Psychopathy & Narcissism.

You hit my father dead on..LOL.  I can see how these are the people at the top of Wall Street.  All that matters is themselves.  They don’t care how they get there either.  My father will lie under oath.  I’ve seen it.  It’s too bad they are going to bring down the system.

Ernest

  • Sun, Mar 11, 2012 - 07:31am

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    SteveW

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    Psychopaths

I think the easiest way to understand this personality type is that their fundamental biological distinction is a total lack of empathy. Consequently they are outsiders, not understanding normal human emotions but learning to simulate them. From this study they learn from experience how to push emotional buttons and manipulate people. In this way they develop “excellent communication skills”. Totally lacking and incapable of concern for others they necessarily are narcissistic.

Safewrite, the salesman you talk about is clear example. I knew of an example in an academic setting who created his own personal empire. The easiest way to deal with these people is to keep clear of them. For society they used to be held in check by the rule of law that they now control and are subverting.

  • Sun, Mar 11, 2012 - 10:21pm

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    land2341

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    empathy and enlightened self interest

 Clearly Ayn falls into this category and all of her acolytes have elevated narcisism and an utter lack of empthy into an art form.

Anyone who has taken a business class in the last 30 years has been taught to address the purported bottom line over the human lives every time.  

But, I LOVE safewrite’s take on realizing that they cost mroe than they bring in……    Sadly, no one will agree to notice this in a Randian world of quarterly profit statements which reward short term profit over long term investment.  

Our business ethos now is kill the goose, extract what eggs it has, blame the body on the poor people or the government, and walk.

  • Thu, Mar 15, 2012 - 11:53am

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    Ken C

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    Strategic Planning

I am reminded of a situation in my previous employment in sales (years ago) . I worked for a large computer company and we had our end of year tribal dance where all of the sales people get together to be rewarded for having a great year.

After the sales awards we had the requisite presentation by a paid consultant on “strategic planning” and thinking for the long term. When he was finally done the VP of sales got up to bring the sales meeting to closure. He repeated the “strategic planning” message and offered his own motivational speech by pointing out the while we were doing our “strategic planning business” if we did not make our quarterly numbers he would get people in here that would.

So get out there and think for the long term but you will be fired if you if miss your quarterly numbers.

Ha Ha Ha – Damn I feel so motivated.

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