Austria Mandates Covid-19 vax FOR ALL + Guardian adds IVM spin

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  • Fri, Nov 19, 2021 - 08:50am

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    HPHovercraft

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    Austria Mandates Covid-19 vax FOR ALL + Guardian adds IVM spin

This is a bit of a dube of my post in Gregory’s Round-up thread, but it is a worthy front-page story:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/19/austria-plans-compulsory-covid-vaccination-for-all

Austria is to become the first European country to make vaccination against covid-19 mandatory for all.

The government said it was preparing the legal groundwork for a general vaccine mandate to come into effect from 1 February, with exemptions for those unable to receive a jab on medical grounds.

Those refusing to be vaccinated are likely to face administrative fines, which can be converted into a prison sentence if the fine cannot be recovered.

The country has the lowest vaccination rate in western Europe, with 66% of its population fully vaccinated. Over the past two weeks, the conservative green coalition government has tried to prevent a collapse of the health system by making it mandatory for citizens to show proof of vaccination or recovery at restaurants and bars, and then announcing a “lockdown for the unvaccinated”.

scientifically unproven alternative treatments against coronavirus infections, such as the anti-parasite drug ivermectin

In particular, the planned general vaccine mandate drew heavy criticism from the opposition benches in parliament. “From this day Austria is a dictatorship,” said Herbert Kickl of the far-right Freedom party, which has advocated scientifically unproven alternative treatments against coronavirus infections, such as the anti-parasite drug ivermectin.

Trust the Guardian to add their own disgusting spin.

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  • Fri, Nov 19, 2021 - 09:46am

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    Austria Mandates Covid-19 vax FOR ALL + Guardian adds IVM spin

This is scary. I can see this madness spreading to other nations.

On the other hand, what will the Austrian government say when at a 99% vaccination rate, people still die from Covid, lockdowns are still imposed and the hospitals are filled with vaccine injured patients?

Hopefully, those responsible for this mess with be held to account.

 

  • Fri, Nov 19, 2021 - 10:30am

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    Vaccine Efficacy Statistics as Information Hazard

Eugyppius on the problem of vax stats leading to the wrong conclusions, and thereby fueling mandates, which in turn lead to further undesirable outcomes:

Vaccine Efficacy Statistics as Information Hazard

Poorly targeted vaccination gives rise to statistics that overstate vaccine efficacy, driving the vaccinators to engage in more poorly targeted vaccination.

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/vaccine-efficacy-statistics-as-information

  • Fri, Nov 19, 2021 - 10:49am   (Reply to #3)

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    Where is this coming from?

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Yes – a great article (amongst many) by Eugyppius.

And Yes – this is rather scary.

It would be interesting to know where this is coming from.

Others were noting that they seem to have lost all sense of the past, though I do think that it is important to distinguish between the Austrians and the Germans. Austrians, in my (limited) experience, tend to insist upon it, perhaps for obvious reasons.

Other interesting features that immediately struck me are that:

. Kurz (Conservative) is very young (though I guess I heard that a while ago):





. The Conservatives are in a ruling coalition with the Greens, which sounds rather weird in itself, and indeed have a listen to this (incongruous) clip:.





I know in Australia, it has been said that many are fleeing the greens because they are vax mandators.

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  • Fri, Nov 19, 2021 - 11:35am

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    Reply To: Austria Mandates Covid-19 vax FOR ALL + Guardian adds IVM spin

I see the “vaccine mandates” in the same way that I see World War I.

In World War I military leaders used long standing conventional logic – utilization of infantry charges – to try to win the war. Of course, infantry charges against machine gun positions simply resulted in mass casualties.

One would have thought that after one or two such mass casualties disasters, that the military leaders would have realized that infantry charges against machine gun positions were not working. That was especially due to the events which occurred towards the end of the American Civil War. In that war infantry charges against Gatling guns proved to be disastrous. All the evidence available should have made things obvious.

But it took a while before World War I generals figured it out.

Conventional “truths” simply do not die easily.

I think it is the same thing here. Older politicians got smallpox vaccinations and they didn’t get smallpox. Nor did anyone else. They concluded that vaccines were the away to go. They did not realize the difference between smallpox and a coronavirus. A coronavirus is a fast mutator and simply is not going to be stopped by a vaccine. Add to that the fact that the NIH is no longer the “gold standard” of a public health agency and can no longer be trusted. Add to that the fact that the new vaccines are not traditional vaccines at all.

For all these reasons and more, current health policies are not working. The evidence is now all over the place.

But it is like World War I all over again.

And, unfortunately, it looks like there will be wave after wave of mass casualties until things change.

  • Fri, Nov 19, 2021 - 06:49pm

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    “Austria will regret mandatory vaccinations”

Ross Clark writing in The Spectator (excerpt  my bolding)

So, Austria’s experiment to persuade more people to get vaccinated by placing the unvaccinated in lockdown didn’t last long. A week, to be precise. From Monday, the entire country will be placed under stay at home orders and other restrictions — this, after it seemed that the era of lockdowns was over. But perhaps more significantly is Austria’s announcement this morning that from 1 February next year Covid vaccination will be compulsory, with large fines for those who refuse to be jabbed.

Remarkably, in doing so, Alexander Schallenberg’s government is taking a step that even the Chinese Communist party considered going a bit too far — back in April, when some regional governments were trying to impose compulsory vaccination on their populations, the central government ordered them to stop. Austria will join a tiny number of countries that have attempted to mandate vaccination — including Indonesia, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan, although the latter two have not actually enforced compulsory vaccination with any sanction, financial or otherwise.

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…not everyone is going to come down to the conclusion that they, personally, would be better off having the vaccine.

Even if the Austrian government disagrees with such people, does it really want to go to war against them? There have already been loud protests against last week’s lockdown for the unvaccinated. Trying to introduce compulsion is inevitably going to stir things up to a new level, with people starting to ask questions: is this the thin end of the wedge of healthcare dictatorship, in which public healthcare systems start to decide what is good for us and force us into treatments that we might prefer not to have? As for the argument that this is different from, say, chemotherapy for cancer because unvaccinated individuals are a risk to others not just themselves, it doesn’t stand up. While Covid vaccines have proved very effective at preventing serious cases of disease, they have proved much less effective at preventing infection.
Throughout the past few months, some have sought to portray vaccine refuseniks as either perpetrators or victims of nasty right-wing, white supremacists. The data suggests otherwise, with vaccination rates lowest among black and Asian ethnic groups. That is another can of worms that the Austrian government is about to open — it will find its new law affecting disproportionate numbers of ethnic minorities. I suspect it will end up in deep regret.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/austria-will-come-to-regret-mandatory-vaccinations

 

  • Fri, Nov 19, 2021 - 09:09pm

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    Reply To: Austria Mandates Covid-19 vax FOR ALL + Guardian adds IVM spin

This is scary. I can see this madness spreading to other nations.

On the other hand, what will the Austrian government say when at a 99% vaccination rate, people still die from Covid, lockdowns are still imposed and the hospitals are filled with vaccine injured patients?

Hopefully, those responsible for this mess with be held to account.

What will people say?  The dead don’t say anything. And the alive will say it’s the non-vaxxed.    This has nothing to do with health Mike.

Read this Canadian pro-vaxx tweet and you’ll realise the scale of division…

https://twitter.com/bruce_arthur/status/1461116927896608777

  • Sat, Nov 20, 2021 - 01:00am

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    Indonesia also

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Indonesia and Vaccines in developing countries

It is interesting that Indonesia is on that list of universal vax mandate countries. In Australia, we have already started to see journalists spruiking vaccines for developing countries on how it is shameful that they are missing out.

And you get the same old, by now surely, patently absurd arguments:

“Even if people in high income countries get access, if COVID is still circulating in other populations around the world we’re not going to see an end to the pandemic.”

Indonesia, historically at least, notorious for its levels of corruption, was having a lot of success with ivermectin.

Indonesia cut Covid by 98% with Ivermectin while Australia grew cases 500% with Lock-n-Vax

When we last looked at Indonesia their massive wave in Covid cases had just peaked after ivermectin was approved again on July 15th. Since then the cases have dropped from 50,000 a day to about 900. On a per capita basis today Indonesia is managing Covid about ten times better than Australia.

Mandatory vax in indonesia

Mandatory vaccination will not solve Indonesia’s Covid-19 problem

The Chinese-manufactured Sinovac vaccine – the only one currently available in the country – has been met with considerable scepticism. Efficacy data has varied widely, with results from the largest clinical trial in Brazil finding that although it was effective in preventing serious disease, it was only 50.65% effective in preventing infections. This rate is well below that of alternative vaccines now being distributed in other countries.

Experts have also raised concerns about the limited safety and testing information disclosed about the Chinese vaccines. Scepticism among the public has been further amplified by widespread misinformation being shared on social media.

Distrust of Covid-19 vaccines is apparently so rampant that on 9 February, Jokowi issued a presidential regulation stating that anyone who refuses vaccination could be denied social assistance or government services, or even face a fine. Following up on the regulation, last week the Jakarta government said it would fine residents up to Rp 5 million (US$355) if they refused vaccination. This would be a heavy fine for the millions of poor in the nation’s capital.

Canadian parents inpatient to maim or kill their children


@Geedard

Read this Canadian pro-vaxx tweet and you’ll realise the scale of division…

https://twitter.com/bruce_arthur/status/1461116927896608777

Yes – that is shocking and very sobering. To see parents jumping for joy at the prospect of maiming or killing their children. I’m staggered at the level of group think that there can be in response to a medical procedure of all things.

HP

  • Sat, Nov 20, 2021 - 05:08am   (Reply to #5)

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    Austria Mandates Covid-19 vax FOR ALL + Guardian adds IVM spin

To add to what Mike from Jersey said,

It is like world war 1 all over again where we had the same financial backers funding both sides of the war machine had a vested interest in seeing the war go on for as long as possible. But this time the financial backers have a vested interest in not fixing the problem and making the money keep flowing into their coffers.

  • Sat, Nov 20, 2021 - 10:14am

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    More Eugyppius, Alas chilling reading

Martin Lichtmesz on the Dystopic Vaccinator Dictatorship of Austria

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/martin-lichtmesz-on-the-dystopic

The next stage of psychological terror

In Vienna, the state has already embarked on the next stage of psychological terror, by removing the power to decide from the hands of the unvaccinated entirely, and booking “vaccine appointments” against their will. They will be informed of these by mail. This means that the names of the unvaccinated are already registered in databases. They will probably also record the names of everyone who doesn’t come to his appointment or cancels it. At least cancellation is still possible – but for how long?

Germany next?

All of this will very soon come to Germany. There, too, pandemic administrators are openly foaming at the mouth, dispensing with every inhibition and pretense. Their faces are growing harder and uglier.

RKI chief Lothar Wieler has remarked that “we really shouldn’t give those who don’t want to be vaccinated the chance to evade vaccination by testing their way out of it.” And we thought the point of 3G was to prevent the spread of a virus! Some have even hit upon the idea of financially bleeding the vaccine refusers. The Minister of Labour, Hubertus Heil (SPD), demanded: “No more access to the workplace without testing or vaccination – and no wages either.”

For the vaccine-faithful, a target for this anger and frustration has already been provided

This renewed “lockdown for all” will make a lot of people who have dutifully gone along with everything to this point extremely angry, and so the political and the media establishment have already provided a target for this anger and frustration: The blame for everything – for the lockdown, the high incidences, the high ICU occupancy, the alleged triage, the corpses piling up in the corridors, and so forth – lies with the well-poisoners, the “vaccine refuseniks”, the “hesitants,” the “Querdenker”3, etc. No few people are now openly wishing death upon these noncompliants.

Had they been vaccinated – so goes their conspiratorial narrative – we’d all be free of Corona and the national government would not be forced by lack of alternative to impose these draconian measures. They’ve brought all of this on themselves. Whining just amounts to an insubordinate miming of the victim’s role. They must be punished, educated, and forced, if argument and persuasion cannot help. The mob are so certain of themselves, they have even produced smiling priests who publicly boast that they have “no sympathy for the unvaccinated.”

The problem is that no one is interested in reasons like these any longer

I won’t get into the many reasons why the doctrine of mass vaccination is false […]

The problem is that no one is interested in objections like these any longer. The eerily perceptive Michael Esders remarked on Twitter:

With 2G, 3G, 2G+, etc., they’ve created a chaos of rules that can scarcely be enforced or implemented. The general vaccine mandate then becomes a salvation, completely detached from any medical purpose – finally, clear rules again.

[…]

As for the vaccine-faithful, who are in the majority and fully empowered, and who have the political and the media apparatus behind them – they made up their minds long ago and can no longer be dissuaded by argument. They’ll never leave the unvaccinated alone; they’ll pursue them everywhere, to the last corner. They have erected mental defences to shield their doctrines from every doubt. They are especially convinced that all the irrefutable scientific arguments are on their side.

Footnotes

1    Lichtmesz forwards highly plausible late-breaking rumours on penalties: “Whoever does not comply will face a fine of 3600 Euros. Whoever cannot pay will be jailed for four weeks. The vaccine subscription is also priced in: For refusing any subsequent booster, the fine is 1450 Euros – or once again four weeks of incarceration.”

2    2G allows only the recovered or the vaccinated; it is a ban on the unvaccinated. The prior scheme was 3G (which also allows access to vaccinated who can produce a negative test). There is also 2G+ (according to which the vaccinated/recovered are also required to test negative) and 3G+ (whereby the unvaccinated have to produce a costly negative PCR result).

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