Arguments/Articles against the vax after having covid?

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  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 08:20pm

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    drsharp

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    Arguments/Articles against the vax after having covid?

Hi y’all!

My son (age 19) is trying to have some intelligent discussions with co-workers who had covid previously but are still considering getting vaxxed. He asked me for some data to share on why this might be a bad idea.  I have lots of stuff in general but I don’t have a specific, single resource that addresses this specific issue… namely, why one who had covid should consider NOT getting the jab. Is there a single article/video that would address the various reasons for this? (nat. immunity so not needed, age stratification & risk levels, increased risk of bad AE, increased risk of ADE, others?)

Annoyingly, the MSM and CDC and the like are still pushing that one should get jabbed even if you recovered from C19. :eye-roll:

Thanks in advance,

Dan

  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 10:16pm

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    Hello Dan

I mentioned this in another thread today and I will mention again here;  We know that in general the risk of vax-induced myocarditis is greater than the chances of getting a bad enough case of Covid-19 to end up hospitalized.. 4-6 times more.  That’s what this paper says,

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1

More to the point.. and I am still unable to find a reference for this.. but I will keep looking.  I heard a podcast interview of Canadian academic virologist Dr. Byram Bridle and he and the interviewer were very much against the vaccine mandates being placed on kids who want to play youth hockey in Canada.. which is kind of a right of passage there.  Anyway, Bridle stated that his research was showing that 75-85% of the kids coming down with myocarditis post-vax had prior immunity… the suggestion being that vaxing on top of prior immunity was a potential precipitating factor in the majority of these cases.  No kid should get this vax.. especially kids who already have natural antibodies.  Just say NO.

I did a deep dive on childhood myocarditis here, post #6;

Vaccine dangers?

  • Sat, Sep 25, 2021 - 11:09pm

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    Arguments/Articles against the vax after having covid?

JimH,

This is a link to the Dr. Bridle/Sean Avery interview you mention.

 

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    Arguments/Articles against the vax after having covid?

You could also look at the following papers:

Previous COVID-19 infection but not Long-COVID is associated with increased adverse events following BNT162b2/Pfizer vaccination

In vitro and in vivo functions of SARS-CoV-2 infection-enhancing and neutralizing antibodies

Trying to find some of the others but the Cleveland Clinic published one questioning if there was any benefit to vaccinating people who had recovered and the NHS (UK) published a similar paper.  The first one I listed here outlines increased risk of adverse events in those that have already been infected.  The second is a bit more theoretical but outlines how vaccination after natural infection could actually damage the immunity you’ve gained and potentially enhance infection.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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    Singapore study showing T-cell immunity from 1st SARS good against CV19

Ask these people what benefit do they get by taking the shot? If they answer, “I don’t get sick,” there’s the answer. Ignorance.

If natural immunity persists with the T-Cells as demonstrated from SARS Cov1 folks, why would you need a vaccine that doesn’t prevent you from catching/spreading the disease when you’re already immune?

The team tested subjects who recovered from COVID-19 and found the presence of SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells in all of them, which suggests that T cells play an important role in this infection. Importantly, the team showed that patients who recovered from SARS 17 years ago after the 2003 outbreak, still possess virus-specific memory T cells and displayed cross-immunity to SARS-CoV-2.

Our team also tested uninfected healthy individuals and found SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells in more than 50 percent of them. This could be due to cross-reactive immunity obtained from exposure to other coronaviruses, such as those causing the common cold, or presently unknown animal coronaviruses. It is important to understand if this could explain why some individuals are able to better control the infection.”

Professor Antonio Bertoletti, from Duke-NUS’ Emerging Infectious Diseases (EID) programme, corresponding author of this study…

Associate Professor Tan Yee Joo from the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at NUS Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine and Joint Senior Principal Investigator, Institute of Molecular and Cell Biology, A*STAR added, “We have also initiated follow-up studies on the COVID-19 recovered patients, to determine if their immunity as shown in their T cells persists over an extended period of time. This is very important for vaccine development and to answer the question about reinfection.”

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200716/Singapore-study-finds-virus-specific-T-cell-immunity-in-recovered-COVID-19-and-SARS-patients.aspx

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