Any ideas on a haven?

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  • Wed, Feb 18, 2009 - 04:46am

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[quote=rncarl]

Well,

 

The thought of leaving home (the US) makes me want to cry.

I was on assignment in Europe for my company in ’07 and prior to that assignment, I would not have given you a plugged nickle to go there. This past year I took my kids to Disneyland Paris! 

I am trying to get an assignment "down under" to see how it is there. Good I’m sure.

I have the misfortune of living in the peoples republic of Massachusetts. Funny how it was the birthplace of the revolution, the Boston tea party and the place where many of the founding fathers lived. Now, it has become at the least a "nanny state" and at worst a "police state." At times, both. My only glimmer of hope for the state is that the Martenson crew lives "out west". Yes, that’s what we call it. the "western" part of the state.

This entire site scares me. Chris’ "Crash Course" scares me. I want to prepare my family for what lies ahead. I think the "old south" may be the best place. Maybe the "new south" of the Carolina’s.

Gawd help us if what this site is about comes to pass.

C.

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We probably wont need god but we will need something to eat.  Just take a deep breath and just…live (oh yeah, and get a gun).

  • Wed, Feb 18, 2009 - 12:47pm

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This entire site scares me. Chris’ "Crash Course" scares me. I want to prepare my family for what lies ahead. I think the "old south" may be the best place. Maybe the "new south" of the Carolina’s.

God help us if what this site is about comes to pass.

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Same here. I’m really scared because if all that unfolds as predicted there is nothing really I can do to make sure my familly survives it – I’m not rich enough, I’m not positioned strategically well for this etc. 

BTW: I see God is a touchy subject here with some people reacting allergically to His name. I beg you all – let’s not get there. We are all trying to come up with things we can do – whether God will help us or not is out of topic I think and will only unnecesarily inflame the conversation.

  • Wed, Feb 18, 2009 - 04:49pm

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Same here. I’m really scared because if all that unfolds as predicted there is nothing really I can do to make sure my familly survives it – I’m not rich enough, I’m not positioned strategically well for this etc.   

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Cheer up Nime – There are a lot of people here who are in the same position you are., some who are way down the road and then there are all of those who have no idea what is coming.  You are here on the site and I would assume interested enough that you want to learn.

Rather than get train wrecked over what you can’t do right now, figure out what you can do and focus on getting it done.  If you keep pursuing those goals in small, measurable steps, you will make significant progress.  If you get to where you think you need to be before SHTF happens – great.  If not, you are probably still better able to manage whatever happens.

And don’t forget that there are a lot of people here asking the same questions and feeling the same concerns you are.  Together we can all help get each other through this mess.

  • Wed, Feb 18, 2009 - 05:18pm

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DIAP, thanks for the words of support. What I can do is stay the course until July, because before then I can’t move anywhere, at the same time preparing in small steps. That means right now protecting the little wealth I have against bank system collapse and getting more info to actually decide what to do. My basic options are stay where I am, just buy land away from cities (not an easy task, btw, in this densely populated area) or move much further. Will have to make this decision pretty soon and then work towards that goal.

One thing I suceeded at was getting two of my friends to watch the Crash Course, one is still going through it, the other is past this point. Both are now freaking out just as I did about 2 months ago and seeing seeming inconsistencies in the material (eg. population increase BAD, but then if no population increase who is going to buy all the stuff and work for the boomers etc.).

  • Sun, Feb 22, 2009 - 11:45pm

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Larry, Aaron, Caroline, Nickbert,Joe2, Diap and those of a similar mindset………thanks for reminding us all of the qualities that made this country "free" in the first place. Freedom requires constant vigilance and safe to say we Americans have been doing a bit too much partying of late and the shop has gone to hell.

We know the "enemy" so to speak and with knowledge and communication we can also exert control. The international moneylenders have figured a way to take over nations without firing a shot. We can take back our rights and freedoms the same way.  I’m not saying we should not have the will to fight but the battle may end up being less with bullets than with a simple unwillingness to continue to play the debt game.

The "Web of Debt" by Ellen Hodgson Brown, J.D. is a good read on this.

Strabes, you said

"Ok.  I asked about international havens…but there’s currently a
less than 50/50 chance of me choosing that option because I do want to
participate in the solution and because I love community and want to
stay. 

 What are people’s thoughts on the best place to be
domestically??  I don’t think there’s a right answer here, but I think
it’s worth chatting about."

I say …good choice!  We will need all the help we can muster.

I happen to live in California. Fortunately not in one of the mass detention camps such as LA but rather in a Gold Rush community. Had I not grown up in this area I might choose the Eastern slopes of the Rockies or I might even consider Californicating Arkansas!

But I will ride it out here. I hope to use whatever goodwill I have generated as a long time resident and local businesman to enlighten and circle the wagons. This area gets 25 to 36 inches of rainfall/yr, backs up to the Sierra Nevada Mts with lots of forested area and natural watershed and has had volcanic activity in the past to produce fairly good soils. The early miners were self sufficient here for the most part. We are above the central valley fog belt and below the snow line so there is good solar access. To the East the range goes to 13,000 ft so we also have our backs to the wall so to speak!

I tend to think that Calif. in general though would be a possibly poor choice due to overall population density, cost of living and general economic conditions. It will be interesting to see how the major food producing belt of the central valley evolves as regards the change from agribusiness to localized farming.

Coop

 

 

 

 

  • Sun, Feb 22, 2009 - 11:54pm

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Kunstler ("The Long Emergency") suggested staying away from places where there is a "gun culture" and plethora of weapons like the South, Southeast, and West.

Worth reading.

 

SG

  • Mon, Feb 23, 2009 - 12:11am

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Kunstler speaks as a resident of upstate New York. He thinks
globally on energy, but is very regionally prejudiced when it comes to
places to live. In his book, he rejects most areas of the country as
unsuitable, either culturally or for lack of key resources such as
water. Nothing against his upstate New York home, but it’s quite cold
and has a short growing season.

A larger perspective might
suggest that areas with a distinctive culture and a strong sense of
homogeneity will fare better than others, whatever their politics might
be. Liberal Portland OR residents will stick together, and so will
gun-toting Cajuns in South Louisiana. But Las Vegas, where nearly
everybody’s from somewhere else? That’s a risky bet.

Kunster
views the U.S. through lenses such as Democrat/Republican or
pro-gun/anti-gun, which I find mostly irrelevant, except where they
specifically interfere with my plans. I live in New York State, but
could not reconcile myself with living in New York City, where gun laws
are mindlessly harsh to the disadvantage of law-abiding citizens.

  • Mon, Feb 23, 2009 - 12:22am

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[quote=Dogs_In_A_Pile]

That said – Colorado’s Front Range has a lot to offer. Lots of open arable land, game and plenty of year round sun exposure to facilitate solar, plus the katabatic winds rolling off the Rockies will power windmills. And if you are away from Denver, the population density is fairly thin.[/quote]

I’m living in Colorado’s Front Range now. My only concern is the short growing season.

I’m looking at solar, thermal solar and wind now. We sure get some big wind in January, but the average annual wind speed is only around 3 mph.

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are you close to placerville by chance? 

  • Mon, Feb 23, 2009 - 12:35am

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I’m living in Colorado’s Front Range now. My only concern is the short growing season.

I’m looking at solar, thermal solar and wind now. We sure get some big wind in January, but the average annual wind speed is only around 3 mph.

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Mark – whereabouts?  I come out to Boulder a few times a year to do charity work with Conscious Alliance.

I love the Boulder – Nederland area and could easily move tomorrow except Mrs. Dogs wants to go to western VA or NC. 

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