Any ideas on a haven?

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2009 - 04:36pm

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    Re: Any ideas on a haven?

Doc Blue –
I don’t know about Coronas and limes, but I have been reading up on how to grow barley, and the best sized mash tun and still to distill single malt whisky. I suppose that means my haven will have to be close to a peat bog….

Haggis anyone?

  • Wed, Apr 01, 2009 - 05:08pm

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Blue – I personally am no longer trying to guess that.  I think it’s a mistake…arrogance…one of my curses that I try to manage, though I fail often.  My hope is to keep an eye on the same things the Fed watches (U Mich survey, TIPS spread, long bond auctions, other CPI indicators) and try to stay up to speed.  Fed actions will be the best indicator.  The moment they shift from their ultra focus on fighting deflation is when I’ll be shifting my assets…could be next month, could be 10 years.  But their focus on deflation just became even more intense with their latest announcement that they’ll be buying in the TIPS market…that tells me that they and the bond market see nothing but deflation on the horizon.  

Yes holding cash is one of the best things…buy short-term T-bills directly from treasury.  They pay 0, but that’s a great rate during deflation.  They’re about the only asset with 0 risk of default.  Of course if you’re a trader, you could make money during deflation, but Dogs is the person to talk to about that. 

No I’m still in the stress of trying to figure out what my move should be.  The idea of moving to costa rica or the north island of new zealand is enticing, but I’d frankly be lonely, and the consensus of this site is that community is the most important asset.  I’m hoping to get clarity in a few months…  Laughing

 

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Strabes

There’s a pretty large ex-pat community in Costa Rica.  Everyone I know who has visited there loves it.

But, I don’t know what it’ll be like when tshtf.  There are some pretty barbarous folks in neighboring countries.

G’luck

  • Wed, Apr 01, 2009 - 09:42pm

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The idea of moving to costa rica or the north island of new zealand is enticing, but I’d frankly be lonely, and the consensus of this site is that community is the most important asset.  I’m hoping to get clarity in a few months…  Laughing

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strabes –

You’d have to stick around to represent at the Army-Navy flag football game. 

We could vie for the "Community In Chief’s" trophy.  Cool

Which I believe has been resident at Annapolis for the past 7 years.

  • Thu, Apr 02, 2009 - 04:13am

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Dogs, I didn’t know our flag football team was as bad as the tackle team!  Probably runs the wishbone…1 yd gain, 1 yd gain, 1 yd gain, punt…repeat for 4 quarters…what a plan!

Doug I think CR would be great in TSHTF except according to Patrick I can’t bring my arsenal with me…would need to rebuild it once I get there.  I love it down there, but not a fan of the ex-pat communities…at least the one in Playa del Coco which feels like a retirement community in Port Richey Florida!

 

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[quote=Dogs_In_A_Pile]Doc Blue – I don’t know about Coronas and limes, but I have been reading up on how to grow barley, and the best sized mash tun and still to distill single malt whisky. I suppose that means my haven will have to be close to a peat bog….Haggis anyone?[/quote]

 

Sign me up for the haggis, DIAP, and fer the sweet love of uisgebagh keep me posted on what you discover vis-a-vis distilling.  That’s one of my post-SHTF dream vocations.

VIVA — Sager 

  • Sat, Apr 04, 2009 - 09:29pm

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.  The idea of moving to costa rica or the north island of new zealand is enticing, but I’d frankly be lonely, and the consensus of this site is that community is the most important asset.  I’m hoping to get clarity in a few months…  Laughing

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 Strabes

I think finding a place that is going to be furthest from potential violence is the most important.  ie. I would guess that many areas of former Yugoslavia had a good sense of community, but I would not have wanted to live in Yugoslavia during its civil war. As you and others have indicated, my "instincts" tell me there is a great potential for violence in the U.S.  How the violence could materialize (civil war, rampant crime, revolution, police state), nobody knows.

What do you think about the big island of Hawaii?  Still part of the US, but separated by a large ocean.  low population density, lots of water, plenty of fishing, good weather and potential for growing crops.  heavily dependent on tourism, but still may attract lots of tourists from Asia (including new tourists from China).

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  • Sat, Apr 04, 2009 - 10:13pm

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What do you think about the big island of Hawaii?  Still part of the US, but separated by a large ocean.  low population density, lots of water, plenty of fishing, good weather and potential for growing crops.  heavily dependent on tourism, but still may attract lots of tourists from Asia (including new tourists from China).

Doc Blue

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Doc,

So very funny that you mentioned the Big Island! That has always been one of our options, and it continues to pass through our thoughts from time to time. I did my general surgery training on Oahu from 1989-1994, and visited the other islands frequently during my time there, and periodically since. The Big Island has always been one of my favorites; I loved going to South Point for solo contemplation during residency, and my wife and I were married at St. Benedicts’, "The Painted Church", in South Kona, in 1994, before we moved back to the mainland.

The Big Island has great advantages, to include all those listed, plus (like all of Hawaii) has a strong sense of "Ohana", which is understood as family, to include community. They have also begun to invest in infrastructure for electric powered vehicles. The biggest problems with the Big Island, and the other Hawaiian islands, if you are going to practice as a physician, are miserably poor reimbursement rates, coupled with a very high cost of living. All three hospitals on the Big Island have had a very hard time recruiting and retaining physicians and other healthcare providers, for these reasons. I particularly like North Hawaii Community Hospital, which I have followed since it was founded, and where I interviewed almost two years ago. I have kept in touch with them intermittently since, but they have had problems with administration turnover and regular dependence on donations for solvency, which have kept us from making a move. I also interviewed at Maui Memorial Hospital two years ago, and was offered a job there, but the reliance on state funding was part of the reason we didn’t take it.

One drawback to Hawaii, which is also one of its advantages, is that it is still a part of the United States, if one is concerned regarding passing on our enormous government debt to future generations. Of course, it is entirely feasible that Hawaii may one day fall under the control of China or Japan, but that might bring its own problems.

If you have actually looked into anything specific, and would like to hear more of my insights, please feel free to write. 

  • Fri, Apr 10, 2009 - 05:53am

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Call me selfish, but these arguments against abandoning your “fatherland” as if you owe some kind of unspoken allegiance to it bother me. There are pros and cons to relocating, and I agree with the mostly valid points several have put here (ccpetersmd being the most recent but there were many in this thread). However, as a free independent human being, one should feel free to move wherever on our planet earth that one wants, ESPECIALLY if doing so provides greater freedom, happiness, security, well-being, etc. for you or your family.
Why do many born in Mexico choose to work in America? For a better life. Do you still live in the same state you were born in? What about the same hometown? Do you feel you are “cheating” that city because you left it? I’m sorry but all this “shame on you for leaving” nonsense is just manifestation of America’s nationalism and jingoism run amok.

I feel that many of those considering leaving the US are some of the most creative, some of the brightest minds, some of the hard workers. If you fit in this category, think what great things you will be able to do in a community that values these things. And think what a nurturing and positive environment your children will have to grow up in this community where you value others and they value you. Your arguments against leaving your “fatherland” are silly geographic boundaries compounded with emotional “We are the greatest country in the world” nonsense that is constantly spewed in our media.

I no longer live on the same street I grew up in. I “abandoned” those in my neighborhood. I made many ties there that I no longer have. Do I feel any guilt for doing so? No, I feel that I moved into a superior neighborhood with a better house. There is no magical rule that kicks in once you cross the imaginary “border line” that makes your action of moving inside a political boundary “good” but across one “bad”.

Weigh your options carefully, but don”t feel any obligation to continue treading water when others are begging you to take a life vest and pull you aboard.

Finally, if you are still feeling nationalistic and can’t bring yourself to leave “America” think what America really means. Read our Declaration of Independence and seek out the teachings of Jefferson and others who believed in IDEALS not bureaucracies and governments. These men valued freedom and independence above any national allegiance or shared governmental system or country name. The reason they came to America is to find freedom. If you have this option too, should you not take it?

  • Fri, Apr 10, 2009 - 06:17am

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Oh and to get back to the real question at hand… I have considered emigrating as well and escapeartist.com is a good site. I also read Jim Rogers books Adventure Capitalist and Investment Biker. I was hoping I would find my dream home. Sadly, the conclusion I reached at the end was, hmm, there is no paradise, no easy answer. Every place that had great pros also had some big cons. I think the bottom line is you need to TRAVEL yourself and find somewhere that best fits your personality and lifestyle.
I will say that I have been to Costa Rica and plan to return. It has one of the friendliest people anywhere, with simple lifestyles, great caring community, homogeneous population, large English speaking / expat community, mountains, beaches, great agricultural climate, delicious seafood, no standing army, political neutrality, safer than most US areas, low taxes, etc. The roads are bad and some imports are expensive. You won’t have a 24 hour Wal Mart anywhere. And jobs in the intellectual class are limited (then again if you have saved up some money it will go a long way there). But great fresh food, beautiful country with beautiful women.

I will definately have to look in to New Zealand after all the comments here but the comments about high debt levels etc. bother me. I want out of the short term consumerist thinking style.

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