Antigenic sin in the covid-recovered?

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  • Mon, Nov 15, 2021 - 03:43pm

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    Canuck21

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    Antigenic sin in the covid-recovered?

Can anyone please tell me if original antigenic sin is a “thing” in covid-recovered people?

I have read that it is for dengue fever, for example. That if you have once had the disease, you are more susceptible to getting it worse the second time than if you have never had it, because your antibodies become primed to escort the virus into your cells instead of fighting them.

Yet Dr McCullough and others insist that the covid-recovered have excellent immunity.

So I am confused.

  • Mon, Nov 15, 2021 - 04:14pm

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    Mike from Jersey

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Canuck21,

You wrote:

I have read that it is for dengue fever, for example. That if you have once had the disease, you are more susceptible to getting it worse the second time than if you have never had it, because your antibodies become primed to escort the virus into your cells instead of fighting them.

I believe that is only true if you have been vaccinated for Dengue Fever. I may be wrong but I believe that it was with the Dengue Fever vaccinations, that they finally recognized the possibility of Antibody Dependent Enhancement as a real problem.

EDIT: I did a quick search.

Here is an example of ADE with vaccinations for Dengue Fever:

A more recent example of ADE following vaccination comes from dengue virus:

Dengue virus — In 2016, a dengue virus vaccine was designed to protect against all four serotypes of the virus. The hope was that by inducing immune responses to all four serotypes at once, the vaccine could circumvent the issues related to ADE following disease with dengue virus. The vaccine was given to 800,000 children in the Philippines. Fourteen vaccinated children died after encountering dengue virus in the community. It is hypothesized that the children developed antibody responses that were not capable of neutralizing the natural virus circulating in the community. As such, the vaccine was recommended only for children greater than 9 years of age who had already been exposed to the virus.

Vaccine ADE

But it can apparently happen with natural infections as well.

Natural Dengue Fever Infection ADE

  • Mon, Nov 15, 2021 - 04:16pm

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    Antigenic sin in the covid-recovered?

That is a really good question Canuck21… I have been pondering this concept of original antigenic sin as well myself.

Certainly it’s possible that those without the vax but with natural immunity could eventually fall prey to this immunological phenomenon – indeed it was first observed in terms of the generational, natural immune response to versions of influenza.  I have yet though to see any paper other than CDC propaganda that finds holes in natural immunity to SARS-CoV2 against the latest variants, while of course we know that the mRNA vaccines are increasingly deficient.  More and more you have to conclude that it was just dumb, or maybe something more nefarious than dumb, that led our pharma-overlords to target their guided missile of antibody induction against the poorly conserved (evolutionarily speaking) pathogenic whole spike protein.

So we remain in the midst of an experiment.  There is almost no better illustration of this fact than to ponder what we have possibly unleashed in terms of original antigenic sin;  Having never before “trained” our immune systems so thoroughly on a single viral epitope.. again one that is not even well conserved and subject already to accelerated immune escape, have we possibly created the conditions for a version of original antigenic sin on steroids?  One way to interpret the rapidly increasing case loads in the most highly vaccinated countries is this very thing.. what I have previously termed Thor’s Hammer of Original Antigenic Sin.

Stay tuned.

  https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/more-on-original-antigenic-sin-and

……..The complex system constituted by SARS-CoV-2 and its interactions with the human immune system, on the other hand, remains barely understood. In chasing an empty fantasy of herd immunity, authorities are denying human populations everywhere the opportunity to develop the layered, population-wide resistance against successive SARS-2 strains that is the foundation of our immunity against other respiratory viruses. Aside from the minority that have managed to recover from natural infection before the vaccinators got to them, most humans will have their crucial, primary immune response conditioned by the spike protein of SARS-2 in its vintage 2020 configuration.

It is a near certainty that this immunity will attenuate antibody responses to the spike protein of current and future variants, forever. Mutant spike proteins will increasingly escape vaccine-conferred immunity, and breakthrough infections will elicit only partial response to the new epitopes. Insofar as the data also suggest that our vaccines will attenuate immunity to other virus proteins beyond spike, mass vaccination will lead to ever more volatile waves of infection – in exchange for limited and fading protection against severe outcomes.

The most dangerous thing to do, at this point, would be to vaccinate children. The virus is not a threat to them, and if they are infected by the new forms of SARS-2 that are sure to emerge every winter, we will begin to establish – through them and the as yet unvaccinated – the layered immunity that is the only way of coming to terms with SARS-2 in the longer term. As long as the vaccinators are permitted to continue their radical and increasingly insane campaign, though, nothing will improve. Indeed, their policies threaten to bring about a semi-permanent pandemic state for generations to come.

 

  • Mon, Nov 15, 2021 - 04:35pm

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    Antigenic sin in the covid-recovered?

It’s possible if you keep getting exposed to the same strain. Geert Vanden Bossche recently spoke about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWbhMSMAwPE

 

People with the weaker Wuhan strain also had a bad reaction to the dominant global strain in 2020.

Booster jabs priming people for depopulation?

  • Mon, Nov 15, 2021 - 06:06pm

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    Canuck21

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    Ivermectin to the rescue…

Thanks, everyone. That is a bit depressing news. I guess the better news is that Ivermectin works against all variants — you just have to up the dosage. So says Dr Kory, repeatedly, in the FLCCC weekly seminars.

  • Mon, Nov 15, 2021 - 09:02pm

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    Antigenic sin in the covid-recovered?

I know I had covid original last year and when exposed to “delta variant” this year I didn’t even get a sniffle. N=1 any other people had similar experiences?

  • Tue, Nov 16, 2021 - 01:08am

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    Antigenic sin in the covid-recovered?

I believe the idea of OAS can apply to natural immunity as well depending on the lens you are looking through.

It is somewhat explained in this video that (it is a video so of course) “You’ve been Nudged…!” shared @ 25:00 in.

 

https://www.brighteon.com/ff7141d7-416e-48e6-ab58-a68b16293694

 

Though, OAS is a bit different when it comes to vaccination because of different factors which can include method of infection (injection instead of nasal passage or other natural expected method), missing pieces of the full virus, and outdated strain of the virus would be some examples.

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