Anti vaxxer conspiracy theories and Covid 19

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  • Sat, May 23, 2020 - 08:19pm

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    Heidi Lane

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    Anti vaxxer conspiracy theories and Covid 19

Hi Y’all,  I’m new to the site but I have been following Peak Porosity since February when a trusted business acquaintance recommended it. Im so grateful too because the amount if misinformation involved with this crisis is astounding and it’s nice to have an unbiased source for scientific information.

Im posting this topic because I’m hoping Chris Martenson can shed some light on the main conspiracy theory anti vaxxer information in circulation.  Im sure many of you have heard of the movie Plandemic and it’s star Dr Judy Mikovits.

 

Chris,  please help! This issue it’s tearing people apart! It’s Judy Mikovits lying or being honest?

  • Sun, May 24, 2020 - 12:28am

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I’m actually more curious to hear about your views on vaccines.

Let’s start with this one:

Do you believe that vaccines can sometimes cause injury – and that sometimes, this vaccine injury results in encephalopathy?

 

  • Sun, May 24, 2020 - 05:50am

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Good Morning

Just to share that in my mind, Dr. Mikovits believes 100% what she is saying.  To each and everyone one of us, the truth is our truth, and thus the absolute truth remains to certain degrees subjective.

At the same time, Dr. Mikovits is a trained and long experienced scientist so most likely her “truths” arise from objective studies and research vis a vi the scientific methodology. Scientific facts are far closer to the “absolute truth” than are opinions, as we all know.

Logically, I can see no motive for her to lie – to risk her career, her finances, criminal charges, disowned by her professional community, and to risk her life even.

Also her face, her voice and her manner are all centered and quite peaceful and thus these non scientific aspects of her can add impression to fact and to me she certainly seems to be a sincere person.

From my personal experience absolute foolishness is never censored, so whatever she was saying was hitting close to a nerve.

Someone up the line had to order the jailing and silencing of Dr. Mikovits  and that would come from quite high up I would think.  Why would such a person in a high ranking position bother to do this if Dr. Mikovits was just some other crack pot?

These are just my thoughts and as a non-scientist but older person who has been around the block a few times.

So for me, Dr. Mikovits may be off on a couple of points but I would bet she is totally sincere and that about 95% or more of the things she says are indeed true.

If she wasn’t hitting close to home, if she was proclaiming that a colony of underground insects are actually controlling the world, she would be left alone.

 

 

 

  • Sun, May 24, 2020 - 03:50pm

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    Very hard to get good information on vaccine harms

DaveF,

I suppose if someone were to want to know if vaccines ever cause encephalopathy they might look at the Vaccine Injury And Death Compensation reports issued quarterly by the Department of Justice.

I have found that it is remarkably hard to get solid information about the extent of vaccine harms.  These reports is one of the few objective places that I know of.

A couple of decades ago, legislation removed all product liability from vaccine manufacturers and a separate federal “Vaccine Court” (not really a court, but more of an administrative procedure) was established to compensate those injured by vaccines.  Vaccine injury was understood to be inevitable, but a necessary and unfortunate downside to the advantages vaccinations offer to society.

These are the reports of the Vaccine Court.

Here is the March 6, 2020 report

The link above is to an anti-vaxx website.  Unfortunately, this is the only place that I have been able to find this information archived.  I wish that I could find a more balanced government website with this information.  But alas, I cannot, despite the information as being labeled officially as “public.”   Despite the biases of the webpage where they are archived, the pdf’s of the Vaccine Court compensation decisions seem legitimate.

March 6, 2020 Report,  Summary.

  • Gillian-Barre Syndrome (GBS) — 11 Cases,
  • Transverse Myelitis (TM) — 5 cases
  • Acute Demyelinating Encephalomyelitis (ADEM) — 2 cases
  • Chronic Inflammatory Demyelinating Poly Neuropathy – 4 cases
  • Quadriplegia, Respiratory Failure, Death — 1 case
  • Several other injuries

 

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  • Gillan-Barre Syndrome (GBS)– 11 cases
  • Transverse Myelitis (TM)–5 cases
  • Acute Demyelinating Encephalomyeltitis (ADEM) — 2 cases
  • Acute Hemorrhagic Leukoencephalitis — 1 case
  • Chronic Inflammatory Demyelinating Polyneuropathy (CIDP) — 4 cases
  • Brachial Neuritis — 4 cases
  • Autoimmune Autonomic Ganglionopathy — 1 case
  • Wegner’s Granulomatosis – 1 case
  • Sjorgren’s Syndrome and Lupus — 1 case
  • Seizure Disorder — 1 case
  • Pulmonary Fibrosis and Death — 1 case
  • Bikerstaff’s Brainstem Encephalitis — 1 case
  • Parsonage Turner Syndrome — 2 cases
  • Several other injuries
  • Sun, May 24, 2020 - 09:02pm

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Mary, I agree with your summation of Dr Judy. I didn’t agree with many things she spoke of (like mask wearing), and if you actually listened you’ll know she isn’t anti-vaccination. She just doesn’t trust the direction they are heading in with vaccines.

If you’ve been watching Dr Chris since Feb then surely you’ve seen him debunk quite a few scientific studies, something us lay-people really appreciate as we have no way to do this ourselves. When we catch out these scientists participating in what is essentially fraud, do we assume it goes deeper and happens often? How would we know? the media leads us around like a bull with a nose ring, telling us what to believe.  Ever tried to do research into vaccinations? You won’t get far. The conclusion is set for you to find: they are very safe and only nutters dissent. I’m no longer comfortable with that conclusion.

  • Mon, May 25, 2020 - 02:25am

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I have to say, I don’t trust a “fire drill” vaccine project at all.

As a long-time developer, a software development schedule has a testing phase for a reason.  Sometimes, biz dev wants to cut the testing phase short.  Oops, sorry – the business team always want to cut testing short.  (dynamics of that are due to the dev cycle always going longer than expected; engineers routinely have trouble estimating how long stuff takes to do).  But cutting the testing phase short guarantees more bugs in the final release – the shorter the testing phase, the more bugs you get out the other end.

So here we are in vaccine land.  The vaccine schedule looks somewhat like a software development cycle, with “testing” being the clinical trials.  Now we want to take a 5-year testing cycle, and compress it down to 9 months – because business (Trump!) wants it deployed instantly?

What could possibly go wrong?

Last point.  As a veteran of many software development wars, I never, ever, ever sign up to get Version 1.0 of anything.  And if it is rushed out the door with a shortened testing phase as a fire drill project because biz cut testing down to the bone?  OMG, run, don’t walk!

I’ll watch this product from the sidelines and take my chances with my supplements, health, and if necessary, HCQ/AZI/Zinc.  Maybe I’ll consider SC2 Vaccine, Version 2.0.  Or maybe Version 2.0.1.

  • Mon, May 25, 2020 - 05:09am

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Conspiracy theory is a term we shouldn’t use.  The CIA invented it to marginalize people who try to think for themselves.

The FDA has never approved a mandated vaccine based on legitimate safety studies.  Zero.  This was proven in federal court a couple years ago, unless the FDA lied about the list of studies.  Vaccines aren’t drugs, they’re biologics.  Chris has drunk the Koolaid thinking there are appropriate protocols in place, similar to drugs.   Biologics do not have to undergo the safety or efficacy testing of drugs.  Safety is largely presumed.

As of 1986 there is zero liability to vaccine manufacturers, or the healthcare practitioners who dispense them, for mandated vaccines (which is almost all of them).  That was the concession Reagan made when the manufacturers threatened to stop vaccine manufacturing altogether because the damages had been so large.  As a result, vaccines are a huge moneymaker.  To get around the liability protection, a federal vaccine court was established, paid for by a surcharge on each vaccine (so not paid for by industry).  You sue the federal government if you think you were injured.  It is very difficult to prove because discovery is not allowed in this court.   And the size of the payout is limited.  Even so, more than FOUR BILLION DOLLARS has been paid out.  This isn’t a situation of a jury being swayed, there is no jury.  So really, no question at all that vaccines can be dangerous.  No chance at all I will submit to a C19 vaccine, my health is too important to me.

By the way, “anti-vaxxer” is also a very demeaning term, given most people who caution about vaccines do so because they were burned by them, after having previously been willing to take them and give them to their children.

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    Vaccines need to be a primary topic on PP

Kat43……Thank you for the intro to vaccine history. I am open minded and would like to see this discussed from different angles. I have intuitively avoided flu vaccines….just seemed unnecessary. But I did get a shingles vaccine because of the horror stories I witnessed. I think PP is a forum that is uniquely suited to have an adult discussion about vaccines without going emotional.  Please share more info if you can. As of today there is no way I would get a Covid vaccine were it to become available.

  • Mon, May 25, 2020 - 06:12am

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It is very hard to get solid, trustworthy information about vaccine safety.  I suspect  that this is how the pro- / anti- vaxx divide is kept so stark.

My medical friends often simply do not know that real harms from vaccinations do occur.  Hence they regard everyone worried about vaccine harms as crazy.

One place for solid information is the Vaccine Injury and Death Compensation Judgments issued by the Department of Justice each quarter.  These are public documents but are almost impossible to find on the internet and seem to require a password to view.  In other words, not very public.

Here is a summary and link to the report from December 5, 2019.  This represents the cases where medical harms were clearly established to be due to vaccines.

Report here.  Powerpoint format for the judgements appear below.

These quarterly meetings by the Advisory Commission on Childhood Vaccines  include a report from the Department of Justice (DOJ) on cases settled for vaccine injuries and deaths as mandated by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP).

The NVICP was started as a result of a law passed in 1986 that gave pharmaceutical companies legal immunity from being sued due to injuries and deaths resulting from vaccines.

As far as we know, Health Impact News is the only media source that publishes these reports each quarter.

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  • Guillian-Barre Syndrome (GBS) — 26 cases
  • Transverse Myelitis (TM) — 3 cases,
  • Acute demyelinating encephalomyelitis (ADEM) — 2 cases
  • Other neurologic injury — 18 cases, including Acute Hemorrhagic Leukoencephalitis, Bikerstaff’s Brainstem Encephalitis, Parsonage Turner Syndrome, Brachial Plexopathy, Chronic Inflammatory Demyelinating Polyneuropathy, Chronic Regional Pain syndrome, Seizure Disorder, Neuromyelitis.
  • Other autoimmune conditions — Sjorgrens syndrome, Lupus, Pulmonary Fibrosis (with death), Dematomyositis

Most of the harms were due to the flu shot.  With about 150 million flu shots given each year (47% of the population) you could regard these ~400 cases of harms/year as showing that the flu shot is actually pretty safe.  (350 is 0.00002% of 150,000,000.)

  • Mon, May 25, 2020 - 09:29am

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@Mary59
Logically, I can see no motive for her to lie – to risk her career, her finances, criminal charges, disowned by her professional community, and to risk her life even.

Exactly, she has no reason whatsoever to lie. However, we don’t need Dr. Mikovits to discover/discern that there is a hypercriminal pharma cartel, given that they put heavy metals (aluminum is in almost all vaccines), detergents, embalming fluid, aborted human fetal tissue, and other animal tissues, into as many children as possible as young as possible (even before they have developed the brain-blood barrier which is the brain’s only defense against heavy metals).

Dr. Mikovits adds the idea that those animal tissues sometimes deliberately contain animal coronaviruses, which create antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), as we know seems to happen in MERS (SARS-CoV-1.5), such that
a second exposure (or wave or season) of SARS-CoV-2 could be more deadly for those who (cluelessly/trustingly) got vaccinated with certain ones such as flu shots.

More shocking still, beyond the animal coronaviruses, she says that some vaccines (and some contaminated blood supply) carry XMRVs (human gamma-retroviruses), which cause cancer and weakening of the immune system, suggesting that more than 30 million Americans carry XMRVs.

The reiterations of the official narrative from the Big Pharma cartel and their government regulatory and corporate media stooges notwithstanding, nobody is “anti-vaxx” per se, we are not against the concept itself of introducing an attenuated pathogen into a host organism in order to induce it to produce immunity against the pathogen (though even that science/”science” is questionable)… BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT VACCINES ARE, not since a long time ago. They come with extremely neurotoxic, cytotoxic, immunotoxic adjuvants, clearly deliberately added to cause harm, morbidity and even death in children and adults alike. That’s their business model.

“To believe that vaccines are safe and carry no risks, a person has to believe that mercury, aluminum, MSG, squalene, formaldehyde and partially-viable viruses present zero health risks to a child when injected. This idea is wholly absurd, irrational and grossly unscientific, and it proves that the real science “quacks” in this debate are those who blindly push vaccines without any cognitive consideration of their very real health risks.” — Mike Adams

Even the manufacturers of vaccines freely admit that there are risks involved. The claim by vaccine manufacturers is that the benefits of vaccinating outweigh the risks — which is much like saying that the obvious benefits of getting a shot of methamphetamine outweighs the obvious risks.

And if you could somehow fool yourself into believing that injecting children with aluminum is somehow OK, it’s not like we don’t have strong evidence that unvaccinated children are healthier:

I find it amazing that despite mainstream media and leading government agencies stressing repeatedly that studies comparing vaccinated children to unvaccinated children cannot take place for ethical reasons, groups around the world are taking it upon themselves to do these studies anyway.

While surveys of this kind are often dismissed as being purely epidemiological and passed off as little more than stamp collecting, I believe that studies of this nature should not be dismissed out of hand. After all, many stamp collections contain just one stamp that is worth far more than its weight in gold.

These studies show without doubt that unvaccinated children are healthier than their vaccinated peers and, for this reason, these studies should be given careful consideration by all parents and professionals studying vaccination safety.
Christina England

The worst counter-arguments center around the totalitarian con-job that we must all get vaccinated or they don’t work:

Vaccine “science” is a massive con job

The other huge con job found in vaccines is described thusly: Vaccines only “work” on those who don’t need them. In other words, when vaccines do work, they do so by initiating an immune response to a weakened virus that’s introduced into the body. This response requires an active and complex immune system that’s functioning well… the same kind of immune system, in other words, that could ward off an infection of a live virus encountered in the wild.

Meanwhile, people who have suppressed immune systems and are therefore extremely vulnerable to infections in the wild also happen to have extremely poor (and sometimes completely nullified) responses to vaccines. They don’t build antibodies, in other words, so the vaccines don’t work for them (they are non-efficacious).

In order to make vaccines “work” better on those with weakened immune systems, vaccine manufacturers add adjuvant chemicals that are irritants which cause excessive inflammation in the hope of eliciting a stronger immune response. While this may help some people, it also carries a very real risk of causing inflammatory damage to the neurology of some children who receive these vaccines. The results, as borne out by the vaccine adverse events databases and Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, is a growing number of children who are maimed, neurological damaged, put into comas or even killed by vaccines.

The entire “skeptics” cult of modern medicine denies any of this is happening, and that’s one reason why the skeptics are increasingly seen as high-functioning idiots who are possibly vaccine damaged themselves.
Mike Adams

Many who are aware of this are thinking, do we deserve the coronavirus for allowing this to happen??? Is this what we need to wake up to the corruption?

Indeed, in learning the full extent of the number of children who are maimed and murdered by the vaccine industry, I have begun calling this devastating phenomenon a “medical holocaust.” Those who deny it is taking place are, naturally, “medical holocaust deniers.”

The mainstream media is full of medical holocaust deniers. They pretend to be journalists but are actually anti-science dogmatists who worship at the altar of the Church of Scientific Mysticism, from which all vaccine safety “proof” magically emerges following the ritualistic sacrifice of children. When an entire branch of medicine becomes so steeped in coercion, intimidation, censorship, the routine harming of children and the refusal to engage in any discussion about risks versus benefits, it is no longer science or medicine at all. It is a totalitarian medical regime that poses a real and present danger to the safety of children everywhere.

Mike Adams

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