Andreas Kalcker and Mike Adams on chlorine dioxide (CDS), science & truth

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    Andreas Kalcker and Mike Adams on chlorine dioxide (CDS), science & truth

https://www.brighteon.com/8bbdf94d-1473-4732-9570-f7b6f785b42a

Folks, this seems to be as good as hydroxychloroquine, if not even better. If we were to make a list of most demonized drugs/substances by the Big Pharma cartel, CDS may be at #1 and HCQ must’ve at least made the top 10 by now, if it’s not #2.

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Why. Are the videos immediately banned spetially in English language ….. worth to look into this … thousands of people some doctors advising cure Covid 19  of people South America and Spain talking of recoveries deleted fast… Deeply forbidden topic …if this works would mean the end of vaccines and many medicines that do not cure just treat the synthoms.

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    Andreas Kalcker and Mike Adams on chlorine dioxide (CDS), science & truth

Here’s a video of Kalcker discussing the recent trial in Ecuador.

https://lbry.tv/@Kalcker:7/100-Recovered-Aememi-1:7

Starting at about 3:20, he discusses that the LD50 toxic dose of ClO2 is 292 mg per kg of body weight. A single dose of the medication for the protocol used in Ecuador is only 0.1 mg/kg. This single dose is repeated 10x per day, but even so, the therapeutic dose is very small compared to the toxic dose.

This is important because of the FDA objection that the treatment is substantially equivalent to “drinking bleach” and that toxic reactions are highly likely. Based on available information, it seems that HCQ (or for that matter, Tylenol) actually have far less therapeutic margin of safety.

Given a choice, I would much rather go with HCQ rather than ClO2 if I were unfortunate enough to catch covid-19. The reason being, there is a vast amount of experience with HCQ as a treatment for other conditions, with millions of doses prescribed, so it’s a known quantity. Also, although the clinical data for HCQ effectiveness isn’t as iron-clad and consistent as one might like, there are multiple studies from many groups around the world that generally agree it works.

By contrast, ClO2 is known mainly from anecdotal testimonials, aside from this one study in Ecuador, and possibly another study about malaria in Africa. So it’s much more of a mysterious unknown quantity, regardless of how good it might be.

One upside about ClO2 is that it can be made at home from readily available supplies. That’s also a downside: easy to get the instructions wrong and create a massive overdose, or a mis-formulation.

Perhaps Jim H or Sand_puppy could comment on what might happen if a doctor wanted to try this with a patient? Or, is this another one of those insane ideas that shouldn’t be mentioned, or at least not on the Internet?

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    Reply To: Andreas Kalcker and Mike Adams on chlorine dioxide (CDS), science & truth

You’re right about the data, though the amount of anecdotal evidence is not easily dismissable. I’ve used it several times just for fun and to cut off early signs of a cold or any other throat ache (it seems to work but just having an actually-strong no-deficiencies immune system works too). There’s an American study in progress, or just finished, to be published this month. Sadly, the cartel has managed to demonize this one to such an extent that everybody’s afraid of it – even though it’s obvious it works (yes, despite the lack of clinical data). They’d love to be able to push HCQ into the same category, but they’re having a hard time!

edit: I should add, the people with the BALLS to research and publicly talk about CDS, might become even greater heroes than those relentlessly exposing the HCQ coverup.

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    Chlorine dioxide reactivity

While not the strongest of oxidants, chlorine dioxide is still an oxidant.  It is not a targeted therapy – it will react with everything.  I can’t imagine getting to doses high enough to kill viruses and bacteria, other than maybe in our stomach, without doing harm as well.

  https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10311-012-0355-5

Only a few amino acids have been reported to be reactive with ClO2, and they have been found to follow second-order kinetics for the overall reaction. The rate constants vary from 10−2 to 107 M−1 s−1 and follow an order of reactivity: cysteine > tyrosine > tryptophan > histidine > proline. For reactions of histidine, tryptophan, and tyrosine with ClO2, products vary depending largely on the molar ratios of ClO2 with the specific amino acid. Products of ClO2 oxidation differ with the presence or absence of oxygen in the reaction mixture. Excess molar amounts of ClO2 relative to amino acids are associated with the production of low molecular weight compounds. The oxidation of the biochemically important compounds bovine serum albumin and glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase by ClO2 suggests a denaturing of proteins by ClO2 by an attack on tryptophan and tyrosine residues and relates to the inactivation of microbes by ClO2.

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    Re: Chlorine dioxide reactivity

I can’t imagine getting to doses high enough to kill viruses and bacteria, other than maybe in our stomach, without doing harm as well.

Jim, thanks for your reply. I agree that it’s hard to conceive of a mechanism that could explain the alleged benefits. But if it couldn’t possibly work, how to explain the results of Kalcker’s clinical trial of covid patients in Ecuador? Placebo effect? Everybody gets better anyhow? Rampant confirmation bias? Those same explanations could possibly apply to our HCQ heroes and their results… but in both cases, I doubt it.

Andreas Kalcker thinks the molecule is effectively targeted, both because it is selective for acid pH, and because the electrical effect of a reaction is dissipated into tissue but not into single cell pathogens. He also believes there’s a direct oxygenation effect in the blood, carrying oxygen to tissue in a similar manner to hemoglobin. Pseudoscience? Maybe so, but that leaves a mystery.

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    It is interesting JerryR

But it must not be true, because the Soros-funded Poyntner institute tells me that it’s not true;

https://www.poynter.org/?ifcn_misinformation=a-video-starring-andreas-ludwig-kalcher-who-claims-to-be-a-german-scientist-who-has-the-cure-for-coronavirus-and-denounces-censorship

False: A video starring Andreas Ludwig Kalcker claiming to be a German scientist who has the cure for coronavirus and denounces censorship.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/13-million-in-grants-from-omidyar-network-open-society-foundations-will-expand-poynters-international-fact-checking-network-300481553.html

The fact that Soros hates it makes it more interesting for sure.  I watched the video and stopped it a few times… I am still not sold on a mechanism… which is not to say it can’t work.  I don’t like that there are differing explanations going on… it oxygenates the blood!  It’s like phagocytosis!  No, it’s not like phagocytosis.. phagocytosis is a very local unleashing of oxidants like H2O2 inside the cellular apparatus… not a flooding of the general area.

I don’t have anything to latch onto here… am I supposed to stop taking all my antioxidants while I am fighting my Covid-19 with an oxidant?  If I get into the cytokine storm phase of Covid-19 where I am unleashing oxidative epithelial damage, should I stop taking my oxidant and restart my anti-oxidants like Vitamin C and NAC?

 

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    Reply To: Andreas Kalcker and Mike Adams on chlorine dioxide (CDS), science & truth

@jerryr wrote:
“Andreas Kalcker thinks the molecule is effectively targeted, both because it is selective for acid pH, and because the electrical effect of a reaction is dissipated into tissue but not into single cell pathogens. He also believes there’s a direct oxygenation effect in the blood, carrying oxygen to tissue in a similar manner to hemoglobin. Pseudoscience? Maybe so, but that leaves a mystery.”

Yep, it seems to have to do with oxygenation. The more you learn about biophysics, the more it starts making sense that oxygen-related therapies would be the most effective. Also hydrogen, targeted light, magnetism, fasting… the simplest / most basic elements seem to be the most effective general healing mechanisms. The single most effective one seems to ultimately actually be the placebo effect (i.e. the mind). After that come the essential nutrients like Vitamin D, zinc, vitamin C, … Only after that should intrusive drugs with exotic mechanisms of action be considered, if we weren’t “plagued” by medical/pharma corruption as Dr. Mikovits puts it.

 

Springer article wrote:
“The oxidation of the biochemically important compounds bovine serum albumin and glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase by ClO2 suggests a denaturing of proteins by ClO2 by an attack on tryptophan and tyrosine residues and relates to the inactivation of microbes by ClO2.”

This would suggest that you’d notice a decrease in serotonin/tryptamine and catecholamine neurotransmission (as they are made from the amino acid precursors tryptophan and tyrosine), yet this seems not to be the case (lower or higher than normal are easily noticeable and unmistakable if you’re familiar with altering your serotonin, dopamine and noradrenaline levels). Maybe it happens but the body is easily able to replenish them before any effects would be noticed (it can produce tyrosine from phenylalanine, and tryptophan is ubiquitous in protein-containing foods).

 

@Jim H wrote:
“The fact that Soros hates it makes it more interesting for sure.”

YES, this is EXACTLY right. You can tell it works merely by who is invested in opposing it. Same with HCQ, as well as countless other substances for non-Covid treatments.

 

@Jim H wrote:

I don’t have anything to latch onto here… am I supposed to stop taking all my antioxidants while I am fighting my Covid-19 with an oxidant? If I get into the cytokine storm phase of Covid-19 where I am unleashing oxidative epithelial damage, should I stop taking my oxidant and restart my anti-oxidants like Vitamin C and NAC?

Good questions. It’s recommended to not take vitamin C with CDS, yep. If you get into the citokine storm phase, then you’d want to prioritize attenuating the immune response (D+zinc+A+selenium+E+K2) and the oxidative damage (C+NAC+B3, flavonoids etc), yes. But at the same time you’d want to target the virus in some way (HCQ[/quercetin]+zinc, artemisinin, EGCG/elderberry/quercetin ie 3CL protease inhibitors, and CDS if it wouldn’t be neutralized by the antioxidants), and maybe also try to downregulate your ACE2 in some way (NAC, nicotine, ARBs, Chinese skullcap). Like with HCQ, it probably works best early-stage; I think late-stage is speculative at this point but who knows, maybe it’ll turn out that it works far better than HCQ for late-stage Covid.

This is all thinking very biochemically. The thinking above and in regards to CDS is more biophysically. You can also “cheat” by using hyperdimensional/vibrational-frequency-increasing technologies such as psychedelics (serotonin2A agonists), the strongest of which is by far DMT, our endogenous frequency neuromodulator (also produced from tryptophan) which induces the hyperdimensional experiences we call dreams (which are really as “real” as the waking dream). Microdosing daily with psilocin or LSD can also help greatly, as a subtle higher-vibratory state may often be sufficient to shift away from low-vibratory disease states. Even cannabis can have this reality-shifting effect, as (aside from possible effects on ACE2) you more easily unconsciously shift to parallel realities more representative of a healed state of being.

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    Andreas Kalcker and Mike Adams on chlorine dioxide (CDS), science & truth

Here is some research that explains how it works. Seems to me it needs to be diluted quite a bit in H2O to reduce its toxicity. Topically it looks like a really good disinfectant for surfaces or cleaning wounds.

https://medcraveonline.com/IJVV/chlorine-dioxide-clo2-as-a-non-toxic-antimicrobial-agent-for-virus-bacteria-and-yeast-candida-albicans.html

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Yep, you have to dilute it in the right way, at the right ratios, take it at the right doses, at the right frequency… You can’t just randomly take it like you’d do pill supplements. Kalcker seems to have worked out the ideal way to take it over many years.

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