And the Swine Flu won’t go away

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  • Mon, Sep 07, 2009 - 05:15pm

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    Re: And the Swine Flu won’t go away

[quote=Davos]

Thanks EGP: I myself have what one doctors assistant classified as an over reactive immune system. Right or wrong , I don’t know, just an obervation she made treating me after clearing my land and getting poison ivy and seeing echenatia (?sp) around my ear. I’ll read up on oillidal minerals (silver, gold). Take care and thanks again.

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Hi, Davos;

Echinacea is a flower, and I doubt that you’d be wearing one over your ear, unless . . . Surprised  Well, anyway, I’m guessing that you meant echymosis, which is a bruise-like lesion, due to a change in clotting factors.  This can sometimes occur as a result of an hyperactive immune response.

Beware the use of steroids to suppress an allergic/immune reponse . . . They have powerful effects on the immune system, and while they may be useful in the acute phase of sepsis/cytokinestorm, to use them prematurely may leave one vulnerable to a raft of secondary infections, as well as influenza.

 

  • Mon, Sep 07, 2009 - 05:34pm

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Thanks, everyone on this board is super!

  • Mon, Sep 07, 2009 - 06:32pm

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    Re: Colloidal Silver

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There’s a loootta controversy surrounding colloidal silver (just google it and see)…

FWIW, I have a bottle and took it for a little while a month ago when I was feeling run down.  I seemed to appreciably perk up.  Placebo effect?  Or actual efficacy?  I suppose as long as I get better, I don’t care.  YMMV.

Viva — Sager

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It’s always hard, Sager, to sort out the real concerns from the pharmaceutical industry’s sabotage of alternative therapies . . . I have no idea whether that’s the case here, but I do personally know a fair number of very healthy people who use colloidal silver, and who have reported no ill effects . . . . Of course that wouldn’t tell one about a rare but serious side effect, or a common but insidiously delayed effect . . . .

I kinda look at it this way:  Colloidal silver, taken over the short term, for an acute concern, such as this wave of influenza, is far less likely to have ill effects than the tons of mood altering drugs that folks take, mostly by prescription, to gloss over their vague sense that something is going dreadfully wrong with the world at large. 

 

  • Tue, Sep 08, 2009 - 01:13pm

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Vitamin A is supposed to help with virual infections, as well as vitamin D, I believe… That’s why cod liver oil is supposed to be good, right?  Well, anyway, it has plenty of other health benefits, too.  My kids actually like taking it because we buy the flavored kind… I expected it to taste a lot worse.

  • Wed, Sep 09, 2009 - 01:44am

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    Re: Colloidal Silver

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I kinda look at it this way:  Colloidal silver, taken over the short term, for an acute concern, such as this wave of influenza, is far less likely to have ill effects than the tons of mood altering drugs that folks take, mostly by prescription, to gloss over their vague sense that something is going dreadfully wrong with the world at large. 

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Hallelujah, sister!  PREACH!!

Viva — Sager

  • Wed, Sep 09, 2009 - 02:23am

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    Re: Colloidal Silver

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[quote=C1oudfire]

I kinda look at it this way:  Colloidal silver, taken over the short term, for an acute concern, such as this wave of influenza, is far less likely to have ill effects than the tons of mood altering drugs that folks take, mostly by prescription, to gloss over their vague sense that something is going dreadfully wrong with the world at large. 

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Hallelujah, sister!  PREACH!!

Viva — Sager

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Hi, Sager;

I can’t tell what the meaning of your post was . . . Were you offended by my post?  Did it sound like I was contradicting you, or talking down to you?  Seriously, I can’t tell . . . I read back through my post, and it seems to me like a general observation of the relative risks of one alternative, but rarely used therapy vs a much more common, but mainstream therapy . . . From the fact that you’ve used the supplement yourself, I didn’t think you were vehemently opposed to colloidal silver use . . .

On the other hand, are you referring to my implication that there’s something generally wrong in the world?  That doesn’t seem likely, as I doubt that most folks here would disagree with that broad statement.

Sorry if I seem dense, but your response is so unexpected, that I don’t know what to make of it . . . 

  • Wed, Sep 09, 2009 - 03:00am

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    Re: Colloidal Silver

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[quote=SagerXX]

[quote=C1oudfire]

I kinda look at it this way:  Colloidal silver, taken over the short term, for an acute concern, such as this wave of influenza, is far less likely to have ill effects than the tons of mood altering drugs that folks take, mostly by prescription, to gloss over their vague sense that something is going dreadfully wrong with the world at large. 

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Hallelujah, sister!  PREACH!!

Viva — Sager

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Hi, Sager;

I can’t tell what the meaning of your post was . . . Were you offended by my post?  Did it sound like I was contradicting you, or talking down to you?  Seriously, I can’t tell . . . I read back through my post, and it seems to me like a general observation of the relative risks of one alternative, but rarely used therapy vs a much more common, but mainstream therapy . . . From the fact that you’ve used the supplement yourself, I didn’t think you were vehemently opposed to colloidal silver use . . .

On the other hand, are you referring to my implication that there’s something generally wrong in the world?  That doesn’t seem likely, as I doubt that most folks here would disagree with that broad statement.

Sorry if I seem dense, but your response is so unexpected, that I don’t know what to make of it . . . 

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Anyway, let me clarify that second part, just in case that’s the rub:  I tend to think that most depression and anxiety experienced by modern man is more likely due to a vague, and unsettling sense that there’s something dreadfully wrong in the world, but they just can’t put their finger on it . . . rather than that there is a personal weakness in their character, or that they have a “neurosis”, or a personality disorder, or that they have a chemical imbalance.  At any rate, that’s how it seems to me . . . I personally find this to be an optimistic viewpoint, as it means that such conditions would be remediable by identifying sources of psychic discomfort, so that they stop blaming themselves, and instead be outraged, disgusted, angry, or any of a dozen emotions that might animate them to action in response to the problems.  It seems to me that this is a healthier response than the self blame, self hatred, low energy states, anxiety, and insomnia that, to me, seem to be common when a person is aware that there is something dreadfully wrong, but hasn’t come into full realization of what it is . . . In that case, it would be counterproductive to gloss over that sense, with drugs, or anything else, for that matter, as that would prevent the person from doing the introspection and exterior investigation required to get to the root of the problem.  At any rate, that’s how it has worked for me, and for the persons that I’ve been privileged to whom I’ve been close enough to know such a thing . . . . .

 

  • Wed, Sep 09, 2009 - 03:39am

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    Re: And the Swine Flu won’t go away

[quote=Juvysen]

Vitamin A is supposed to help with virual infections, as well as vitamin D, I believe… That’s why cod liver oil is supposed to be good, right?  Well, anyway, it has plenty of other health benefits, too.  My kids actually like taking it because we buy the flavored kind… I expected it to taste a lot worse.

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For our kids, we buy the Vitamin D in gummie form.  They love ’em.

  • Wed, Sep 09, 2009 - 04:22am

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    Re: Colloidal Silver

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[quote=C1oudfire]

[quote=SagerXX]

[quote=C1oudfire]

I kinda look at it this way:  Colloidal silver, taken over the short term, for an acute concern, such as this wave of influenza,     [/quote]

Hallelujah, sister!  PREACH!!

Viva — Sager

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Hi, Sager;

I can’t tell what the meaning of your post was . . . Were you offended by my post?  Did it sound like I was contradicting you, or talking down to you?  Seriously, I can’t tell . . . I read back through my post, and it seems to me like a general observation of the relative risks of one alternative, but rarely used therapy vs a much more common, but mainstream therapy . . . From the fact that you’ve used the supplement yourself, I didn’t think you were vehemently opposed to colloidal silver use . . .

On the other hand, are you referring to my implication that there’s something generally wrong in the world?  That doesn’t seem likely, as I doubt that most folks here would disagree with that broad statement.

Sorry if I seem dense, but your response is so unexpected, that I don’t know what to make of it . . . 

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Anyway, let me clarify that second part, just in case that’s the rub:  I tend to think that most depression and anxiety experienced by modern man is more likely due to a vague, and unsettling sense that there’s something dreadfully wrong in the world, but they just can’t put their finger on it . . . rather than that there is a personal weakness in their character, or that they have a “neurosis”, or a personality disorder, or that they have a chemical imbalance.  At any rate, that’s how it seems to me . . . I personally find this to be an optimistic viewpoint, as it means that such conditions would be remediable by identifying sources of psychic discomfort, so that they stop blaming themselves, and instead be outraged, disgusted, angry, or any of a dozen emotions that might animate them to action in response to the problems.  It seems to me that this is a healthier response than the self blame, self hatred, low energy states, anxiety, and insomnia that, to me, seem to be common when a person is aware that there is something dreadfully wrong, but hasn’t come into full realization of what it is . . . In that case, it would be counterproductive to gloss over that sense, with drugs, or anything else, for that matter, as that would prevent the person from doing the introspection and exterior investigation required to get to the root of the problem.  At any rate, that’s how it has worked for me, and for the persons that I’ve been privileged to whom I’ve been close enough to know such a thing . . . . .

 

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Hey, when I call somebody sister or brother, that indicates that I’m all in w/them.  The fact that TPTB create a world that creates in people a state of mind that need medicating, and then TPTB provide a “cure” (for a price) which only makes folks dependent on TPTB for that “help”, makes me want to throw things.  But…having reached some small level of maturity (and having sympathy for those crushed in the matrix), I limit my ebullience to professions of excitement when another states things to be as I see them, hence…

“[Colloidal Silver] is far less likely to have ill effects than the tons of mood altering drugs that folks take, mostly by prescription, to gloss over their vague sense that something is going dreadfully wrong with the world at large.”

…and my “hallelujahs”!!!

So — in my work — I’ll urge people to work themselves until they drop before I’ll recommend SSRIs and the like (unless they seem to have a legimitimate issue in which case I try to make sure they embrace the care of a therapist that can help).  I bet half or more of the people on amb!en would be better off simply working out more and talking to somebody that can help them engage their issues in a meaningful way. 

Americans are way, way WAY too overmedicated.  One of the scary things about a sudden SHTF scenario is the millions suddenly thrown off their meds.  EGAD. 

This from a guy who had to get a 103 degree fever before he’d take any advil at all.  “He hates medicine!  He wants Big Pharma to FAIL!”

It’s only funny till it’s true. 

Viva — Sager

nb:  My sister-in-law works for Merck.  And my bro for GE.  FWIW. 

  • Wed, Sep 09, 2009 - 05:00am

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    Re: Colloidal Silver

[quote=SagerXX]

[quote=C1oudfire]

[quote=C1oudfire]

[quote=SagerXX]

[quote=C1oudfire]

I kinda look at it this way:  Colloidal silver, taken over the short term, for an acute concern, such as this wave of influenza,     [/quote]

Hallelujah, sister!  PREACH!!

Viva — Sager

[/quote]

Hi, Sager;

I can’t tell what the meaning of your post was . . . Were you offended by my post?  Did it sound like I was contradicting you, or talking down to you?  Seriously, I can’t tell . . . I read back through my post, and it seems to me like a general observation of the relative risks of one alternative, but rarely used therapy vs a much more common, but mainstream therapy . . . From the fact that you’ve used the supplement yourself, I didn’t think you were vehemently opposed to colloidal silver use . . .

On the other hand, are you referring to my implication that there’s something generally wrong in the world?  That doesn’t seem likely, as I doubt that most folks here would disagree with that broad statement.

Sorry if I seem dense, but your response is so unexpected, that I don’t know what to make of it . . . 

[/quote]

Anyway, let me clarify that second part, just in case that’s the rub:  I tend to think that most depression and anxiety experienced by modern man is more likely due to a vague, and unsettling sense that there’s something dreadfully wrong in the world, but they just can’t put their finger on it . . . rather than that there is a personal weakness in their character, or that they have a “neurosis”, or a personality disorder, or that they have a chemical imbalance.  At any rate, that’s how it seems to me . . . I personally find this to be an optimistic viewpoint, as it means that such conditions would be remediable by identifying sources of psychic discomfort, so that they stop blaming themselves, and instead be outraged, disgusted, angry, or any of a dozen emotions that might animate them to action in response to the problems.  It seems to me that this is a healthier response than the self blame, self hatred, low energy states, anxiety, and insomnia that, to me, seem to be common when a person is aware that there is something dreadfully wrong, but hasn’t come into full realization of what it is . . . In that case, it would be counterproductive to gloss over that sense, with drugs, or anything else, for that matter, as that would prevent the person from doing the introspection and exterior investigation required to get to the root of the problem.  At any rate, that’s how it has worked for me, and for the persons that I’ve been privileged to whom I’ve been close enough to know such a thing . . . . .

 

[/quote]

Hey, when I call somebody sister or brother, that indicates that I’m all in w/them.  The fact that TPTB create a world that creates in people a state of mind that need medicating, and then TPTB provide a “cure” (for a price) which only makes folks dependent on TPTB for that “help”, makes me want to throw things.  But…having reached some small level of maturity (and having sympathy for those crushed in the matrix), I limit my ebullience to professions of excitement when another states things to be as I see them, hence…

“[Colloidal Silver] is far less likely to have ill effects than the tons of mood altering drugs that folks take, mostly by prescription, to gloss over their vague sense that something is going dreadfully wrong with the world at large.”

…and my “hallelujahs”!!!

So — in my work — I’ll urge people to work themselves until they drop before I’ll recommend SSRIs and the like (unless they seem to have a legimitimate issue in which case I try to make sure they embrace the care of a therapist that can help).  I bet half or more of the people on amb!en would be better off simply working out more and talking to somebody that can help them engage their issues in a meaningful way. 

Americans are way, way WAY too overmedicated.  One of the scary things about a sudden SHTF scenario is the millions suddenly thrown off their meds.  EGAD. 

This from a guy who had to get a 103 degree fever before he’d take any advil at all.  “He hates medicine!  He wants Big Pharma to FAIL!”

It’s only funny till it’s true. 

Viva — Sager

nb:  My sister-in-law works for Merck.  And my bro for GE.  FWIW. 

[/quote]

Hi, Sager;

Oh, good . . . I thought maybe I came off wrong . . . It’s not a matter of judging people . . . It’s more a matter of caring enough to want to warn them about the pitfalls that our society provides so readily . . . Hey, I worked for years in the intensive care unit . . . And our Cap’n worked for Pfizer, if I’m not mistaken . . . but I like him, anyway . . . (Friendly chiding . . . for anyone who can’t tell . . . . )  I don’t think I could go back to ICU work now, knowing what I know.  I sometimes wonder if we did more harm than good, in the long run.  I bought so completely into the medical model that I didn’t bat an eye at taking medications . . . or administering them.  As nurses, we actually had an attitude toward people who chose to avoid the mainstream healthcare system.  But then I started to notice a pattern . . . The folks with a lot of meds on their chart were the sickest ones . . . Now, one could say, “Well, of course they’re on a lot of meds . . . they’re sick, for goodness sake!”  But, one could also, I think validly, wonder if the causation ran in the opposite direction.  I don’t know how many times we admitted a “train wreck”, often elderly, usually goofy, with a list of meds the length of your arm . . . . Some of the more sensible docs would literally discontinue all or most of their meds, just to clear their system.  At least half the time, that’s all it took to get them back to earth mentally.  This condition is so common that we have a word for it:  polypharmacy.  Now, I don’t know whether there’s a formal definition for that word, but to us it meant that there were so many drugs on board, with so many potential (and untested) interactions, that their blood was just a toxic soup that couldn’t support normal thought processes.  

Anyway,  I guess I’ve seen both sides of the fence, and I’ve made my share of mistakes, personally, and professionally.  I don’t mean to judge, but rather to warn . . . I’ve got a bit of a protective streak . . . even with people I don’t really know . . . It gets me in trouble, sometimes . . . It’s a old nursing habit I guess . . .

 

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