An HCQ post making the rounds

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  • Fri, Jul 31, 2020 - 07:41pm

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    tatagiri

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@davefairtex
Here is the latest data i have. CFR is more correlated to median age of the population, rather than HCQ usage.  Older the population, higher the CFR/death rate. Boulware study does not have enough power to determine anything meaningful, since it is all self reported and internet survey based. Unfortunately, it also reported PEP was not effective for HCQ.

Pharma won’t allow it, though.  It might actually be really effective, and then where would that vaccine demand be?

Not sure of that, pharma is in everycountry – So why is it allowed some places but not? Don’t you think it is something to do with leadership?


@tbp

The chart is disingenuous, deaths per million means nothing – unless you take the disease prevalence and stage of the data. CFR is a better indicator of disease management. Also, US has relatively older population and has about 458 deaths per million, in the chart it shows it about 600+ . If anything, we need to adjusted to a lower value to adjust for US’s older population.  The data in the above chart has been massaged to death to look good.

  • Fri, Jul 31, 2020 - 10:02pm

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    How reliable is CFR in measuring disease management?

From TATA:

CFR is a better indicator of disease management.

Case Fatality Rate (CFR) is a measurement of deaths per confirmed cases. In addition to disease management the CFR is variable dependent on how the cases are confirmed (the denominator).  The definition of confirmed cases can vary from country to country and even can be changeable over time in an individual country.  For example, China has changed the definition of official cases at least two times. The number of confirmed cases can also vary with the availability of test kits, the accuracy of those tests and the type of tests performed (PCR, rapid antibody, etc.).  In addition their has been some question in internet blogs of whether confirmed cases may have been artificially inflated by classifying deaths from other causes as COVID related.  It can also be influenced by a nation’s progress toward herd immunity. So is CFR a good measurement of disease management when these confounding factors may be overwhelming?

As a point of interest statistica.com lists the COVID death rate per million population in India to be 26.43 as of July 31 and the rate in the US to be 484.06.  Almost 20 times higher in the US.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

At first glance at the rate of deaths per million population which nation appears to be doing a better job of managing coronavirus disease?

  • Sat, Aug 01, 2020 - 06:40am

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    An HCQ post making the rounds

@stevedaly – deaths per million all depends on disease prevalence and overall infection rate in a country . If it has not spread to the population – deaths per million looks so good. If it has been spread, then more cases and more deaths and so will be deaths per million. The numbers are meaningful if population has similar infection rates.  It is hard enough to just get the positive symptomatic cases right- the true population infection rates are much harder to guess due to asymptomatic cases. My guess is that unless vaccine is available, India is poised to beat US in deaths in couple of months – Iam not sure HCQ is going to stop that.

 

China is the only country who has got their shit together, massive scale mandatory testing and immediate shutdowns, masks and contact tracing seem to work.

 

  • Sat, Aug 01, 2020 - 07:08am

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@tatagiri

China is the only country who has got their shit together, massive scale mandatory testing and immediate shutdowns, masks and contact tracing seem to work.

At a terrible price of slavery, or total submission to the CCP mafia, not something you want in your country, correct?

  • Sat, Aug 01, 2020 - 08:40am

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    the CCP paradigm

tatagirl-

I’ll take Taiwan’s approach over the CCP approach every day of the week.

I’ve been to both countries.  Have you?  I know where I’d rather live.

 

 

  • Sat, Aug 01, 2020 - 11:24am

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    An HCQ post making the rounds

@davefairtex – anyday taiwan . They were the first ones to call out BS on human transmission and stop incoming flights from wuhan. Living close to china , they are well aware of all the nasty tricks china is upto. Friends in china say that the virus has been pretty much suppressed albeit with an ironhand. democracy has a price to pay i guess.

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