An attempt to hold the line

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  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 05:26pm

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    JahFire

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    An attempt to hold the line

It’s become very clear to me as things continue to unfold that the fight is reaching a lot of people’s front doors. Like Chris said in his last video, “the gloves are off” and people are bucking back across the world. It’s been a beautiful thing to see and I commend all those who’ve brought the fight back.. but I’ve been thinking, first healthcare protested, then southwest, now state govt brings legislation… But what about the federal workers?

I have to imagine that there’s those out there like me who hold a federal job. Our deadline is fast approaching, and I wonder what our response is going to be. I think while we have the least amount of leverage as a direct hiree of the federal government, we have the most power in that if we join in this fight of non-compliance, we can shift the power back into the hands of the people in a big way.

The only question is how? Full blown picket line? A ‘sick out’ like southwest did? A full blown lawsuit? In any case I think the key is to ORGANIZE. The problem is (at least in my organization) that we are hushed into a corner and afraid to speak out because we feel like we’re alone in the fight. Maybe discussions are already being had, but I figure here would be a great place for us ‘feds’ to start that conversation. Again, maybe I’m the only federal employee here, but if not, let’s say we organize our own form of mass walk out?

  • Wed, Oct 13, 2021 - 07:34pm

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    Guinify

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I was talking about this with my husband today. He works at a large facility with a combination of GS employees and at least two different federal contracts. Apparently the contract companies have denied every single religious exemption filed. About 15% of the work force filed for an exemption.

With a Federal judge in NY recently ruling that healthcare workers had to be allowed a religious exemption, it seems like lawsuits could work. If one or two people file, they’ll probably ignore it. But if every person denied an exemption filed?

  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 08:26am

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My wife and I are both Federal employees.  Between us we have 38 years of Government service, not including my 24 years of military service.  We both have outstanding records and now my Government wants to fire us because we won’t get the jab.  We have both put in our religious accommodation requests, but don’t have much faith that it will be approved for either of us.  In fact, after submitting my request, my agency just changed our reasonable accommodation policy and form to make the questions much more invasive.  Not sure yet if I’ll have to resubmit under the new policy.

I’m absolutely disgusted that nearly all the Federal unions are going along with the mandate and not fighting it.  I’m heartened to hear that Liberty Counsel is planning to file a large lawsuit.  I received an email from them stating: “We are assisting with preparation of a massive class action lawsuit that will be filed this week on behalf of military members, federal employees and civilian contractors.”  I hope that this is true, though I’ve lost my respect for our judicial system, and have even less respect for it under the current attorney general.  Thank God he was prevented from becoming a Supreme Court justice.

To JahFire – just know that you are not alone.  There are more of us on this site.  If you know of any organization efforts, please PM me or post them here for all to see.  Thanks.

  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 09:40am

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    Postal Service & Chicago PD

Recall the US Postal Service was granted an exemption from day one. Why? How did they get that? There may be suggestions there for pushing back.

Also, looks like Chicago cops are pushing back – half the force may be gone this weekend. (Epoch Times / ZeroHedge)

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chicago-police-union-head-calls-members-defy-vaccine-mandate-warns-chicago-police-force

  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 09:49am

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    An attempt to hold the line

I wanted to organize as well. For the AD we ended up folding like a lawn chair. We were definitely afraid to organize. My unit prior to the dod mandate had just shy of 1/3 that had yet to start the jab process. After a LOT of overt threats of “if you refuse you WILL be discharged” I’m sure the dishonorable rumors were not squashed. The process for a medical or religious accommodation(RA) was confusing and not well explained. For example if you attempt an RA and it was denied do you still have the choice to get the jab to stay in? I never was able to get a clear answer from my chain on that. (Yes you can still get the jab and stay in if your RA is declined).  In the end we only had one person go the RA route and another attempted a medical exemption based on family history which was relatively quickly denied. (Prior infections are not considered, big surprise, even though right in the reg it still has previous infection as a reason to be medically exempt on the table) well maybe some docs would but I bet they don’t advertise that table exists and you’d have to ask for it. Anywho, so we went from .30 to basically 1 person not getting the jab. We’ve had one adverse reaction who has a 45 day exemption while they try to figure out what is wrong. I am currently advising him on how to proceed so he doesn’t get screwed over by the system. While trying to convince him to seek non “approved” care to actually fix his arm. Which then will have to be jabbed again once he gets better risking even more adverse reactions.

even if everyone in my unit stood strong and got kicked out one unit isn’t going to make a difference for the whole dod and because we can’t unionize effectively we all folded individually. My guess is about 1/3 didn’t want it. 1/3 didn’t care enough and went along with the leadership and 1/3 has bought into the bullshit.

for myself, I also folded as I was not prepared to get out and I have that carrot of retirement only 4 years away. We’ll see how useful it is but it still is a carrot for me based on life decisions. I am having trouble divorcing myself from that idea that I must make it to retirement.

for now I want to start or join a group of government “users of force” (sheriffs, police, feds, AD,Guard,reserves etc)that can band together to refuse to use the force the people have given us on enforcing any type of “papers please” enforcements of vax passports. That is my line I. The sand. I will not support any of those efforts and will not tolerate any sideways enforcement of that type of government. We’ll see how this plays out for me locally as I am in a very rural part of the country and have been insulated from most of the bs so far. But I want to support others who are “in the shit” now.

thanks for reading my rant.

  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 10:40am

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    An attempt to hold the line

Religious. Exemption.

That is the way. Courts are signaling that legal precedent allows for exemption and religious leaders are offering (albeit lukewarm) calls for organizations to honor exemption.

Archbishop Broglio of the Military Archdiocese has just called for Service members objecting to vaccination on religious grounds be honored. That’s pretty big, even though I thought his statement could be stronger.  All arguments presented in his statement can be applied to other Federal sectors too, so look there. Other Bishops and clergy are much more staunch in their opposition to these vaccines and are helping people formulate exemption requests. Look into it, no matter your faith.

As for questioning into your religious beliefs, this is invasive and inappropriate, and probably illegal. Say the word “harassment” and “consult with my lawyers” and watch that request be accepted. If you state this is a deeply held religious belief, that satisfies legal requirements. Period.

Fight this. Are you against the use of fetal cells in these “vaccines?” That is for your conscience to determine, not for some HR person LARPing as inquisition. You do what you need to do and present requests you need to present. You owe people who would seek to give you such an ultimatum nothing but documentation to meet legal standard.

  • Thu, Oct 14, 2021 - 11:12am

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    An attempt to hold the line

I would think step one would be to start using up all your accrued vacation time.   If OPM decides to fire everyone who hasn’t gotten the vaxx, what happens to all that vacation time?  I have to think that is part of what is going on with Southwest.  I don’t know how their vacation time works and if it is different than the other airlines but individuals using the vacation time they have earned before the cut off deadline could explain what is going on.

As a citizen I have to say this whole thing is scary.  Often when someone quits or is fired, they are escorted out immediately so they cannot cause damage to the organization.  We have thousands of individuals, with passwords and access to information and databases that are pretty sure they will be out of a job in a month.

And then there is the other issue, that we have thousands of talented qualified employees that will simply retire.  The older folks that would have left over the next five years, one at a time here and there are going to leave all at once.  Who is going to train those coming up?  We are going to have whole departments where no one knows the job.

Kathy

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