America’s Frontline Doctors White Coat Summit

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  • Wed, Jul 29, 2020 - 11:32am

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    Doug

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    America’s Frontline Doctors White Coat Summit

Could you be more condescending?

“Take Doug.  He has no idea what the science actually is here.  Clearly.  Or he wouldn’t be trying to “debunk” this presentation.  I don’t believe Doug is sociopathic; I think he means well.  He just has no clue what the actual facts are, and so he falls back on his news sources, which have all been corrupted by Pharma.”

So, all news sources are corrupted by big pharma, presumably excepting ZH, Martin Armstrong, Breitbart, FOXnews and a few others that have no more than a passing acquaintance with science or, for that matter, truth?

This thread is about the so-called “America’s Frontline Doctors White Coat Summit” that has been all over the news lately.  Briefly in response to Island Girl:

“front line doctors liek your primary care physician and mine who treat in the outpatient setting.”

No, my primary care physician bears little resemblance to Stella Immanuel.  He doesn’t practice or believe in witchcraft, doesn’t run a cult out of a strip mall, he doesn’t believe “You don’t need masks, there is a cure.” and he trusts science.

One woman featured in the video, identified as Dr. Stella Immanuel, is a Houston-based physician and founder of the Fire Power Ministries church. On her website and in sermons posted on YouTube, Immanuel has made strange medical claims, including that sex with “tormenting spirits” are is responsible for gynecological problems, miscarriages, and impotence.

“”Many women,” she claimed in a sermon, “suffer from astral sex regularly. Astral sex is the ability to project one’s spirit man into the victim’s body and have intercourse with it.”

According to the Texas Medical Board database, Immanuel received her medical degree from a university in Nigeria in 1990 and practices medicine at a clinic in Houston. On her Facebook page, Immanuel says she was born in Cameroon and describes herself as “God’s battle axe and weapon of war.””

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding of the science so far is that there are no peer reviewed studies showing hcq effective against covid.  As one physician pointed out this morning, it is still possible that hcq has some small beneficial effect, but that hasn’t been scientifically verified yet and it certainly isn’t a cure.  So, you can trot out your scientific knowledge of the subject, but until you have something established by the medical community through peer reviewed studies, you really don’t have much.  This isn’t big pharma, its science.

So, yes I do accept the findings and opinions of the leading scientists, physicians and epidemiologists in the world over the rantings of this group of nincompoops.

If you are looking for other indicators of fake news, Donald J Trump promoted the “summit”  until a reporter asked him if he was aware of some of the outlandish claims the group (now 13 days old) made,  at which point he disavowed any knowledge of them.  Classic Trump.  He’s the same guy who suggested injecting disinfectant and ultraviolet light into the body.  Also the same guy who said covid was totally under control and later that it would magically go away by April (I believe that’s the right month).  Of course that was 150,000 American deaths ago.

So, Dave, bring your science.  I’m sure DJT will love it.

  • Wed, Jul 29, 2020 - 12:51pm

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    Chris Martenson

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    Re: Doug & America’s Frontline Doctors White Coat Summit

No, my primary care physician bears little resemblance to Stella Immanuel.  He doesn’t practice or believe in witchcraft, doesn’t run a cult out of a strip mall, he doesn’t believe “You don’t need masks, there is a cure.” and he trusts science.

Doug seems upset that Dr. Immanuel believes in things like evil demons and witchcraft.  Fair enough.  But one cannot stop there, the recursive rule card has now been played.

By Doug’s position and reasoning, any MD that believes in unseen forces, spiritual forces, or deities of any sort are unfit to either practice or make earthly observations about the patients under their care.

Doug therefore holds that any MD who happens to be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist or Jewish is unfit to be a doctor.

That’s pretty incendiary.

Either that or Doug has somehow anointed himself as the arbiter of which completely unprovable religious belief systems are acceptable and which are not.  Or possibly he received his talking points as a direct download from TV or Facebook and hasn’t yet thought them through very carefully.

But I for one fully support the right of all people to hold whatever religious/spiritual beliefs they wish, and will judge them by their actions here on earth.

To do otherwise would be intolerant and, frankly, indefensible from a logical point of view.

  • Wed, Jul 29, 2020 - 01:20pm

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Doug,

I am old enough to remember when butter was bad and we should all eat margarine.   You might remember when everything was fat free and instead loaded with sugar to be able to claim it is fat free.  The fact is science is always evolving and changing.

But it is important to follow the money!  If you see an ad for an expensive drug, then yes, that “news” source is biased.   That ad for embrel or trulicity is paying the salary of people working behind the news desk.   As an aside, that butter is bad study was paid for by the margarine company.

 

So here is the issue, should my doctor and I decide what is the best treatment for me? If I do the research and decide a low dose of HQC is an appropriate prophylactic while I care for my sick spouse should my doctor be able to prescribe that?   Why does a politician hundreds of miles away who has never met me get to decide I can’t have a couple doses of HCQ?

 

Now let’s talk risk vs. reward.  For everything you should ask, is it worth the risk?  Short term use of HCQ has almost no risk.  It’s not like Tylenol which is hard on the liver or ibuprofen which is bad for your kidneys.   If you can avoid a week of sucking down Tylenol every eight hours why would you not take a HCQ pill every other week until this settles down?

 

Best of Luck,

Kathy

 

 

  • Wed, Jul 29, 2020 - 02:41pm

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    So a doc can block puberty but…

I went out to pull some weeds and got to thinking… mad!!!

 

We put teenage girls on “the pill” for irregular periods which is far more dangerous than HCQ and the governor doesn’t get involved.

If we question a 10 yo being given puberty blocking drugs which will sterilize them for life, we are called transphobic.

We put kids on psychotropic drugs because they can’t sit still in class.

Many people are put on SSRIs like Lexapro  which also have a QT prolongation side effect and no one says boo.

Many believe marijuana should be sold OTC and that does effect me if you smoke and drive.

 

But meanwhile my governor has blocked me, a post menopausal woman, from getting two 200mg HCQ tablets because… why?

 

  • Wed, Jul 29, 2020 - 04:55pm

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To quote JHKunstler, “remedievalization of america.”

  • Wed, Jul 29, 2020 - 05:32pm

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    America’s Frontline Doctors White Coat Summit – Dr. Immanuel

I would simply note that none of the hit jobs that raise the doctor’s religious beliefs and malign the location of her practice has provided a shred of evidence to refute her claim that she has successfully treated 350 patients. When they do, I’ll reconsider. But as it stands, those particulars are what we call a red herring.

 

  • Wed, Jul 29, 2020 - 05:46pm

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    America’s Frontline Doctors White Coat Summit – follow up

In related news, here’s what came out in Ohio today, banning dispensing of HCQ:

https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/ohio-bans-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus/

And in Michigan, a lawsuit against FDA’s arbitrary restriction on HCQ continues to work its way through the system

https://aapsonline.org/hcqsuit/

 

 

  • Wed, Jul 29, 2020 - 06:11pm

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    America’s Frontline Doctors White Coat Summit

The HCQ process–I believe we are seeing the status quo PTB destroying themselves.  With each of these deceptions more people catch on that “they” can’t be trusted and don’t have our best interests at heart.

Regardless of which one of the deceptions breaks a person’s trust, it serves the same end.  Increasing numbers do not any longer have faith in the authorities, opinion leaders and experts.

  • Wed, Jul 29, 2020 - 07:57pm

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@sand_puppy  Thank you for stating succinctly something that I have only been able to rant about in disorganized fashion thus far.

 

In the early days of Covid my local health authorities were explaining that they knew the risk was low because there weren’t many cases and they also didn’t need to test because there weren’t many cases.

 

“This is gonna be the end for science and modern medicine being taken seriously by huge new swaths of the population” I would rant at anyone within earshot.

 

Now everyone on my local reddit is asking why so many anti-science whackos don’t want to wear masks.   The don’t seem to remember the national health minister making it very clear that science proved they don’t help.  Also science proved locking down the borders wouldn’t help.

This hurts to watch because although I’m not a scientist myself, I rather like the whole “evidence based approach to problems” thing they had going on over there at one time.

Its incredible that we still don’t have those proper HCQ studies by now.  At first I thought it was an anti-Trump thing.   But the level of opposition to HCQ is way too high to be based on rebutting some off-the-cuff remark by the president.

I’ve been wondering how Chris’ seemingly random observations on covid months ago have turned out to be so consistently prescient.   I bet he saw “all kinds of ugly” during his time in the pharma world.  He knew from day 1 what was gonna happen when the first anecdotal HCQ (and related cheap drug) studies emerged.

His gentle but no-holds-barred approach to walking us all through this is going to save a lot of lives.   Sometimes literally save them, but more importantly help people change direction.

 

OK thats enough ranting for now….

  • Thu, Jul 30, 2020 - 09:37am

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    America’s Frontline Doctors White Coat Summit – credibility

Doug, before you dismiss the doctors with media-driven slurs, you might consider that one of the doctors in the press conference is Dr. James Todaro, who was instrumental in exposing the Lancet study on HCQ as scientific FRAUD, thereby also exposing the journal editors, the peer reviewers, much of the medical profession, and the denizens of the media as not looking past the headlines and getting snookered. We should all be so fortunate to have doctors willing to advocate for patients despite opposition and the temerity to point out when necessary that the emperor isn’t wearing any clothes.

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