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  • Sat, Oct 16, 2010 - 08:00am

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wvcaveman:

Just a thought?  Your post was far more than just one thought.  It was a treatise and a darn good one at that.  At the risk of being mundane let me add that there are two types of liberty or freedom; personal and political.  Personal freedom involves have the ability to freely make life’s choices like with restaurant to go to or how late will I sleep in today.  Political freedom is exemplified by the right to self-government and to secure this right was the intent and purpose of the Founders when they wrote our Constitution.  Unfortunately for us, their experiment in self govenment failed after 140 years because people forgot the difference between the two kinds of freedom.

This very topic was the focus of an article I wrote entitled, “Freedom and Democracy” which can be found at:

http://constitutionforum.us/main_freedom.htm

 

 

  • Sat, Oct 16, 2010 - 11:07am

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In a previous post JK121 used and example to establish a point he was making.  In our present world cars crash!  In his idealized world the intersections would be eliminated or designed so crashes will not occur.  End of story.  Crashes are bad and kill people.  No crashes, no injuries and no one dead.  Wonderful, let’s let JK121 lead us to Utopia.  Obviously, he must know what he is talking about.

This sounds all well and good, but is it?  Did anyone stop to think what is involved in eliminating intersections on all our roadways?  I don’t care how you twist and turn the roads, you will never be able to eliminate a vast majority of the intersections and this means that overpasses are needed to eliminate the possibility of a collision.  In other words what JK121 is actually advocating is that we build overpasses at every intersection in America and this means every intersection in every city will have to have an overpass.  As absurd as this is, now consider the fact that with overpasses at every intersection there is, it will be impossible for cars to change roads.  In other words, they will be locked permanently on the road they are on unless clover leafs are also built at almost every intersection; the question being where are we going to get the money, materials and land to do all this?

In conclusion JT121 and his cronies have some good ideas, but they are only good if they remain ideas.  When it comes to the real world, his ideas become impossibilities yet he continues to haunt these boards pretending he has something worthwhile to say to us which unfortunately, is not the case.  From this day forward, when KT151 tells us “what”, just ask him “how” and he will fall flat on his face because he really has no idea what he is talking about.

  • Sat, Oct 16, 2010 - 03:06pm

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I can see you now Citizenal, sitting there in your crocks sipping back on grandpas old cough medicine, and looking at the constitution and thinking “things were better back then.”  You ignorant and arrogant fool, I said before I am not here to solve all human problems, just point out ideas that are out there that can and maybe able to help, just like everyone else on this site.  The car crash road concept is there to illustrate a basic macro point of view that designing flaws out as opposed to writing laws is the direction we want to go in.  If we solve many problems we will see less of a need for politicians and their laws, if everyone has access to healthy food and clean water, they have less tendency to see a doctor for health problems.  If we look at all the ridiculous amount of money spent on these wars, world hunger could easily be solved, hydro and aeroponic farming coupled with water desalination plants for water would be a start, plus a better way to bridge the gaps between countries is to help them with real resources as opposed to bombing them and killing their children.  

As for how to stop crime and murder, I’ll give you an answer…..You Ready??!?!?!!?…….I don’t know.  Just like you do not know how to.  I know it’s not written in the constitution.  

As for your utopia comments, I said before there is no such thing as utopia, is there a perfect computer, car, house?  It seems as though you try to paint free-market utopia when you bring your concepts into the conversation.  Every person on here tries to paint a scenario of how the world should or could be, does it mean they are a bad person?  Obviously not.  We are here to be on a forum sir not lay out a pure spectrum of dominance.  I agree with you that moving toward liberty and freedom is a good step to take, you should in return have the balls to see that I am for the same thing.  If am an an advocate of a movement that wants to help fix the flaws of society, how is that a negative thing?  

As for laws and law agencies, the majority of that is all political crap, we do not need a department of homeland security, or cia.  If anything we need to cut the defense budget in half, legalize drugs, cause the war on drugs is a waste too, and stop making everything that everyone does a god dam crime.  You create the criminal when you legislate it.  They could pass a law tomorrow, if you are 67 and overweight, you have to pay higher taxes or fines!  Does that mean you are a bad person?  I would say NO, it’s idiotic to have so many laws for so many innocent situations that literally have a negative psychosocial effect on society.  Not all laws, but a good portion could easily be amended.  

 

  • Sat, Oct 16, 2010 - 06:22pm

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JK121,

I gather you’re from a Commonwealth country?  The reason I ask is because the country of one’s origin obviously influences your thinking.  I’d also guess you are under 45?  Again, the reason I ask is because one’s generation also colors their thinking.

  • Sat, Oct 16, 2010 - 07:05pm

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Influence AO can come from many sources, and yes under 45, but I’ll be there one day soon

  • Sat, Oct 16, 2010 - 08:58pm

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Interesting Interview.  4 part I believe

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a3AGsAh11s&feature=related

  • Sat, Oct 16, 2010 - 10:09pm

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Influence AO can come from many sources, and yes under 45, but I’ll be there one day soon

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From the UK, correct?

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U.S.

  • Sat, Oct 16, 2010 - 11:17pm

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U.S.

[/quote]Cry

  • Sun, Oct 17, 2010 - 07:53am

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JK121:

I listened to the Duane Mullin interview and waited and waited and waited for Mr. Mullin to say something specific about what he was talking about and like you he essentially said nothing other than he wanted to do things differently, lets, remove money from society, and communisim has been discredited.  Excuse me!  Seems to me like he is advocating Communism or Socialism at the same time he is denoucing it.  Its the same old same old again.  Were in trouble.  Money caused the problem.  Therefore, let’s get rid of money,but never explain how we will do that and how society will function without it.  You take me to task for wanting return to the good old days so we will embrace what you tell us will be the good new days.  Apparently, you and Barack Obama have a lot in common.  He told us he would bring “change” to America and every one voted for him because of the tragedy which was George Bush and now because of the changes he has wrought, George Bush doesn’t look so bad anymore.  I for one will not buy a pig in a poke and that is exactly what you are selling.  You think you have a solution to our problems and want us to accept it but are not willing to tell us how your solution will work in the real world.  The reason you won’t is because what you are porposing is nothing more than Socialism or communism as as Duane Mullin so aptly pointed out; these are failed economic systems.

Yes, Capitalism in a Republic where the rule of law is paramount in the guise of the good old US of A has proven itself to be the most successful system of government in the history of the world.  And it did this while communistic and socialistic systems grew and failed around it.  And now our system of government is falling apart, not because of any inherent flaws, but because a group of filthy rich criminal conspirators worked to bring about its demise.  And now you come along and take me to task for subscribing to what is a proven success while you advocate what is a proven failure.  Go figure!  

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