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  • Fri, Aug 21, 2009 - 05:01pm

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    American Idiots

“Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.”
Thomas Paine

“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.”
James Madison

“Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.”
Edward Everett

http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/quinn/2009/0814.html

 

 

 

  • Fri, Aug 21, 2009 - 09:32pm

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    Re: American Idiots

So what is your solution to the economic mess in our country?

  • Fri, Aug 21, 2009 - 10:50pm

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    Re: American Idiots – Some solutions to economic mess

*  Eliminate the Fed.  Put our currency back into the hands of the citizenry.  Paying interest to a privately owned money machine is totally insane.  They’ve proven they cannot eliminate severe swings in the economy.  In fact, they may be the major cause of them, along with their friends on Wall Street.  Let the government borrow from we the people.  Pay us the interest, rather than paying it to the banking cartel.  If spending really is a major engine of the economy, and we give the people more to spend, through the interest they earn, that should be better than giving it to the banking cartel, who just hoard it.

*  Put banking back into the hands of local banks who are accountable and responsible to their local citizens.  If local banks, in corsortium, can’t handle the credit needs of corporations, then maybe those corporations really are too big, and should be broken up into smaller ones……or allowed to fail.

*  Eliminate perpetuity for corporations.  Make them  justify their financial and social existence every 2 or 3 years, the way it was when they first started.  If they can’t do it, they lose their corporate charter.

*  Take away the “personhood” of corporations.  Reserve that distinction for actual, living human beings.

*  Make big time lobbying illegal.  Fix it so that elected officials have to listen to the voters back home again, to find out how they want them to vote.

*  Set term limits.  Return to the idea of citizen legislators, instead of professional politicians.

*  Make it just as illegal to cheat, as is to steal.

*  Get religion out of politics, except as the individual’s religious principles him/her to think.  No more attempted domination of the nation by certain religious blocks.

*  Tax mega-churches, unless they can prove that they are spending most of their money on helping those who are less fortunate – the reason they allowed tax-exempt status in the first place.  In fact, make all organizations that are supposedly organized to help others, prove they do, or be taxed.

*  Reform the IRS code, so that every American citizen and business can easily understand it.  There are too many loopholds, primarily used by those who are wealthy enough to know how to use them.

*  Make it illegal to move an American corporation “off shore” in order to avoid taxes.  Then, if they do it anyway, don’t allow them to operate, or sell goods, inside U.S. borders.

*  Break up the huge news media ownerships.  “Without a free press, a democracy cannot exist.”  There is nothing free about our present media.  They are controlled by huge corporations and their government patsies in D.C.   I say pay investigative reporters good bonuses to dig deep, and expose egregious behavior, without fear of losing their jobs, or even worse coming to them.

*Inform everyone of the true purposes, and who controls:  the International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank, Council of Foreign Relations (CFR), Tri-Lateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, etc.  Most folks would be SHOCKED beyond belief to learn the truth about these organizations.

*  Revoke the right of Monsanto corporation to own the patents on virtually all, and control, the crop seeds…to the detriment of small American farmers, and poor food quality for all Americans.  You can only get good wholesome food nowadays, if you grow it yourself or know a local farmer who plants only heirloom seeds, and avoids all the harsh chemicals made by Monsanto and a few others.

*  Cut out all subsidies to huge Agri-Business organizations.

*  Eliminate (if any are still in effect) all depletion allowances for oil. etc.

*  Explain it so every citizen can understand this:  Wars are not about freedom.  That is what we are feed, in order to get us to give up our lives, and money, for the wealthy/elite to gain their own self interests.  Wars are always started over religion, potential profits for the very rich, control over other sovereign nations – primarily to get their natural resources.

*  Give every American equal healthcare as a RIGHT, not a privilege, just as other advanced countries have done. Don’t be fooled, and be dragged into fights with our fellow Americans, over the propaganda (lies) that are put out by certain health-related corporations, and their lapdogs in congress.

*  Take away the major powers, that allow corporations to control our government, and put the power into the hands of the working people, and small businesses, who are the backbone of our country.

* Stop “privatizing” (selling) assets  (that have been bought and paid for by tax dollars) to giant corporations and foreigners.  Some things work better when they are operated by private business.  Some things work better when they are held by the public, for the public interest.  Figure out which is which, and if something should be held by private business, then let them raise the money and build it themselves.  Then, if what they build proves to not be what’s in the best interest of the public, let their project fail.*

What do you have, to add to this ?

 

 


  • Fri, Aug 21, 2009 - 10:51pm

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I’ll add that there is a bill in the Minnesota House and Senate right now that would return ownership of the money to the people.  It’s called The Minnesota Transportation Act.

It’s the first best step to taking our country back from the money powers, plus it would give us a way to finance our battle against them without having to borrow money from the money powers to fight them.

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    Re: American Idiots – Some solutions to economic mess

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**  Give every American equal healthcare as a RIGHT, not a privilege, just as other advanced countries have done. Don’t be fooled, and be dragged into fights with our fellow Americans, over the propaganda (lies) that are put out by certain health-related corporations, and their lapdogs in congress.

 

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Why should healthcare be a right?

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The only real rights are natural rights:  life, liberty, free will. 

All other so-called “rights” can only be accomplished by confiscating wealth from one person or group and transferring it to another.  Such a thing is not a right.  It is just organized and legalized violence.

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Obviously, you guys are well able to pay for your own healthcare, and are of the opinion that a society should only consist of people who have it made, with no thought of contributing to other less fortunate in the community.  Many countries have found that they can deliver a good quality of health care, to all citizens of the country at a price that does not break anyone.  As a long time, now retired, hospital CEO I know that, if you have insurance, you’re paying for those who do not have healthcare anyway, and much of the time through the ER, which is the most expensive healthcare in this country.

What is it about your position that you don’t understand that, for a culture/society to work well, there must be some things that the society must provide for all its citizens – police, fire, bridges, highways, and on and on. The old theory of “not taking wealth from one to give to another is an outdated, selfish, run-away capitalistism position.  Some of us realize that it is important sometimes to make relatively small sacrifices of what we’ve been able to accumulate – in many different ways – to see to it that others in our country/society, who may not have had the same opportunities, upbringing, etc as we had, have a better chance at a good life, free of pain and suffering, and free of bankruptcy in trying to deal with a healthcare system that is primarily for the more financiallyfortunate among us.

We need to become “team players” when it comes to our whole country, and stop the selfish, me only, lack of caring.

“Taking money out of my pocket to give to somebody else” is exactly what the crooks on Wall Street did, that has caused all of us so much pain.  Was that okay with you?

Come on fellows.  Be wiling to help provide a lack of pain and suffering for others, not just yourself!  If the shoe was on the other foot, would you still feel the same way about your money, if you didn’t have any?  I seriously doubt it.

Out of all the things I said, in my first post, was that the only one, or most important one that you could comment on?

  • Sat, Aug 22, 2009 - 04:11am

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BenA,

You can describe your desire for providing services any way you want.  Just do not call them “rights”.  That is my main problem with your position.  There is no such thing as “rights” except those we inherit from nature/God – whatever your preference.  

By calling them “rights”, you lose me completely – I am not even interested in talking about it.  Who are you to determine what rights people should have?  Why not add food, housing, and education to the list?  Who will pay for all that?  Someone has to provide the actual service.  You either make them slaves, or you let them be free but confiscate from others (and make them slaves) to pay for them.

I’m all for helping people, but when you force me to give you the fruit of my labor so you can design whatever society you deem to be just, that’s not charity anymore because I don’t have a choice, do I?  

I have all sorts of problems with your list, it’s just AO picked this particular issue out and I added to it.

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I’m all for helping people, but when you force me to give you the fruit of my labor so you can design whatever society you deem to be just, that’s not charity anymore because I don’t have a choice, do I?  

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Ben, I too have a problem with your assertion that healthcare is a “right”.

Now is it imperative that a civil society not allow any human being to suffer from lack of availability to healthcare?

Absolutely.

But I have two major issues with your position.

First, a right is inherent. It cannot be provided to you from someone else. Someone’s right in this context is someone else’s involuntary obligation. Rights do not obligate people to servitude. Rights secure the liberty of individuals.

The alledged “right to healthcare” implies that healthcare access is a collective right. Problem. There is no such thing as a “collective right”. All rights are individualistic in nature. For if they are not, then a “group right” becomes a concept that subjugates the rights of individuals. And without individual rights the soul simply cannot breathe and liberty suffocates.

Second, I tire of listening to the false either-or dichotomy of “either the status quo or government mandated healthcare”. There are other options where the concept of “no person should ever suffer from lack of care” can be fulfilled.

That said, let me reiterate. Any civilized society will want to assure that human suffering in it’s most basic form is minimized. But it’s still not a right.

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