Alex Berenson’s latest post – vaxxed don’t get natural immunity

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 07:30pm

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    Alex Berenson’s latest post – vaxxed don’t get natural immunity

Berenson claims:

“URGENT: Covid vaccines will keep you from acquiring full immunity EVEN IF YOU ARE INFECTED AND RECOVER”

 

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-covid-vaccines-will-keep-you/comments

He cites:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf

Yikes  scary stuff for the vaxxed

 

 

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 09:03pm

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    Alex Berenson’s latest post – vaxxed don’t get natural immunity

He did NOT state, in any place in that article, that vaxxed don’t get natural immunity. Sheer misinformation in your Subject line.

His claim is that the vaccine”interferes” with antibody production against other parts of the virus other than the Spike Protein. His entire rationale:

““N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination.” (Page 23)”

S protein counts aren’t mentioned in post or in the source document. Are S protein antibodies not produced sooner following vaccination (due to either existing antibodies floating in the blood or memory cells recognizing the S proteins then getting the factory running), which would result in virus neutralization WITHOUT the need for as many N protein antibodies? In other words, is this not completely expected based on the vaccines which only provide S protein exposure?

If the lower N antibody count is evidence of a weaker immune response, then why aren’t vaxxed hospitalization/death rates converging with unvaxxed/uninfected? If the vaccine literally makes people less resistant to SARS-CoV2 then wouldn’t infection outcomes be worse for unvaxxed than vaxxed? That data to date overwhelmingly states the opposite…..

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 09:24pm

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    he kinda did

He did NOT state, in any place in that article, that vaxxed don’t get natural immunity. Sheer misinformation in your Subject line.

Well actually, he kinda did.

URGENT: Covid vaccines will keep you from acquiring full immunity EVEN IF YOU ARE INFECTED AND RECOVER

and then:

Specifically, vaccinated people don’t seem to be producing antibodies to the nucleocapsid protein, the shell of the virus, which are a crucial part of the response in unvaccinated people.

This means vaccinated people will be far more vulnerable to mutations in the spike protein EVEN AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN INFECTED AND RECOVERED ONCE (or more than once, probably).

My sense: Alex has a lot of sharp medical folks advising him.  He’s not figuring this out on his own.  He’s the guy taking point, but there’s an army of other people behind him sorting out for him what is really going on.

Folks that aren’t working for Pfizer.  Or Moderna.  Or the NIH, NIAID, the CDC, or President Grandpa.

My guess: the vaxxed might just need to wait for Pfizer/Moderna to come up with Holy Shot V2 that provides them vax-generated antibodies to the N-protein.   Yay!  That’s 93 billion more for Pfizer & Moderna!

(I predict: no clinical trials will be required for Holy Shot V2; they’ll trial them on a desperate population.  And no manufacturer’s liability either.  Duh.)

This is only true for the western shots.  The (Chinese, Russian) inactivated virus vaccines (which don’t work all that well) will not – as a compensation – have this downside.

This is worse than I thought it would be.  I had assumed a breakthrough infection would provide natural immunity for the vaxxed.  Looks like I was wrong.

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 09:36pm

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    Alex Berenson’s latest post – vaxxed don’t get natural immunity

HillBicks said

If the lower N antibody count is evidence of a weaker immune response, then why aren’t vaxxed hospitalization/death rates converging with unvaxxed/uninfected? If the vaccine literally makes people less resistant to SARS-CoV2 then wouldn’t infection outcomes be worse for unvaxxed than vaxxed? That data to date overwhelmingly states the opposite….

I think you are mixing up propensity to carry (and potentially transmit) an infection with the tendency (or not) to move into stage 2 or 3 of the immune overreaction phase.  Clearly the shots work for some period of time to temper this immune over-response, which is responsible for hospitalization and ultimately death.

The question is.. where does this lead for the vax’ed?  I believe it leads to infection after infection, shot after shot.  When and if much more deadly variants come around, the vax’ed will be completely dependent on the next shot.  They may kill the unvaxed too, but I will take my chances with a natural immune system, especially knowing this new news.

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 09:37pm   (Reply to #3)

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    Alex Berenson’s latest post – vaxxed don’t get natural immunity

Again the basis for his argument was:

““N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination.” (Page 23)”

Which he clearly states. Given that he doesn’t present additional data or evidence, I’m forced to conclude that this is his entire basis. The sentence did not say that there was “an absence of N antibodies”. Nor did it say an “insufficient level of N antibodies”. It said “appear to be lower”, without quantifying the difference or hinting at the implications of the difference. While I’d be interested in seeing this quantified further along with the practical implications (at which point I’m open to changing my mind), concluding that “vaxxed don’t get natural immunity” based solely on that sentence is flat out irresponsible and quite frankly dishonest, in my opinion.

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 10:09pm

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    Alex Berenson’s latest post – vaxxed don’t get natural immunity

The reason they cant quantify this is because its a variable.  You neutralizing antibodies begin to diminish after taking the vaccine, and then continue to recede based on time until they reach zero.   And the younger you are, the more time this process seems to take.

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 10:11pm

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    hope you’re right

Bill I hope you’re right.  I have plenty of friends who have taken the Holy Shot.  I do NOT want them to suffer infection after infection – or (worse) be faced with the prospect of endless “boosters” that last for six months.  With attendant side effects that (most likely) will simply grow in severity.

So.  I hope you are correct.  For the sake of my friends.

But Alex doesn’t think you are correct,.

I’m not sure what your track record has been during the pandemic.  Alex has been pretty good.

Here’s two questions for you:

1) at the start of the mass vaccination campaign, did you believe the “safe and effective” bit?

2) After all that has transpired, do you still see the shots as “safe and effective”?

Col. David Hackworth had a line I liked: “Always have a go-to-hell plan.”

  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 04:50am

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    Profits vs cures – profit wins!

If true, you can see where the situation is heading…

I had the foresight to contact my dumb MP last year – who just happens to be UK shadow health secretary:

“I don’t fancy having to go to a biotech company every quarter for the latest ‘patch’ – we’d be the perfect captive market & they’d have the ultimate growth industry… It would be such an easy stunt to pull off as well – holding entire nations to ransom…

Another speculative post I made recently:

“It ties into the One Health doctrine with personalised medicine & gene therapy applied through the mighty needle, & people being packed into UN-style ‘smart cities’, while large swathes of countryside/farmland are reforested.
I reckon the mRNA jabs are loaded with all different kinds of experiments in each batch… Before the pandemic, there was no way that this new kind of volatile biotech would be rolled out en masse, but in a potential extinction-level crisis… The fact that there is no strict quality control or needle-aspiration requirements, is also very telling…
Your quarterly ‘patch update’ will be linked to your social credit score… People favoured by the state may even get their lives extended – whereas ‘the new deplorables’ will have their IQ & life-expectancy lowered etc., a bit like Brave New World.
You could still go rural or off grid, etc. & live life as nature intended – away from all the AIs & trans-humans.”

 

 

  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 10:13am   (Reply to #3)

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    Alex Berenson’s latest post – vaxxed don’t get natural immunity

(I predict: no clinical trials will be required for Holy Shot V2; they’ll trial them on a desperate population. And no manufacturer’s liability either. Duh.)

Actually, you may not need to make a prediction. I spoke to my 85 y.o. father, who lives in the UK, after he had a Pfizer booster shot last week, and he reckons the nurse said the booster was an updated formulation. No study behind it as far as I’m aware. Extraordinary times!

  • Fri, Oct 22, 2021 - 11:09am

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    Alex Berenson’s latest post – vaxxed don’t get natural immunity

Gee golly, hopefully they come up with an experimental cure to help the body produce those neutrilizing anti-bodies! Maybe in pill form, maybe another shot. Seems like big pharma is so smart they can create and then cure ANY problem. Well, not cure but at least create a highly profitable disease management protocol. I trust them completely!

Seriously though, it is definitely saying the body’s immune response is hindered. They have looked at it with blinders on, “Does the vaccine stop the spread of Sars-CoV-2 with this specific spike protein formulation? Yup!”

“Yeah, but are there any unknown issues?”

“Like what?”

“Like immune system disregulation through ROS disruption; like neutralizing anti-bodies being inhibited or too specific in their targetting; or like blood clots; or a rapid pace of cognitive decline post injection; or increased all-cause mortality rates?”

“Why should that matter, the vaccine prevents severe cases of Covid, so it is highly efficacious. It’s a complete success when you look at it through our narrow lens!”

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