Agenda 21

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  • Tue, Oct 27, 2009 - 12:10am

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    Re: Agenda 21

I can’t say that the video did much to convince me. I’ve seen material like this before and I just can’t see the big picture coming together. If the world was the US then it would actually be possible but as it is now its just too unlikely in my oppinion. Even if the US and most of the western world are in the hands of the illuminati’s or whatever you want to call them they are still far from controling the entire world. What about China, Russia or  South America? And Europe is a lot different from the US, people wont just go along with things to the same extent. To exectute a plan like this they would need total world control, if that’s been their end-game (which I actually find relativily likely) they are not doing a very good job at the moment. To me it looks like they are just saving as much of the treasure before the ship sinks.

Anyway I’m not sure if my point gets through, this is my first post after all 🙂

What I would like to see is just a overview and a timescale of how and when this might come about.

 

  • Tue, Oct 27, 2009 - 12:34am

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    Re: Agenda 21

Welcome to the boards, Nil.

This isn’t going to happen overnight.  These folks are patient and determined.

Europe is far more susceptible than the US (IMO).  Germany and Italy bought into fascism in very short order.

And when have you ever seen a plan that gives central government more power and control that the Chinese and the Russians didn’t like?

  • Tue, Oct 27, 2009 - 01:23am

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[quote=Nils]

I can’t say that the video did much to convince me. I’ve seen material like this before and I just can’t see the big picture coming together. If the world was the US then it would actually be possible but as it is now its just too unlikely in my oppinion. Even if the US and most of the western world are in the hands of the illuminati’s or whatever you want to call them they are still far from controling the entire world. What about China, Russia or  South America? And Europe is a lot different from the US, people wont just go along with things to the same extent. To exectute a plan like this they would need total world control, if that’s been their end-game (which I actually find relativily likely) they are not doing a very good job at the moment. To me it looks like they are just saving as much of the treasure before the ship sinks.

Anyway I’m not sure if my point gets through, this is my first post after all 🙂

What I would like to see is just a overview and a timescale of how and when this might come about.

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Well, Nils, being that you’re a virgin poster, I’ll be gentle . . . . Wink . . . . .WHAT,  ARE YOU NUTS?   Just kidding . . . . really.  You’re a mile ahead of most Americans, though you might want to network with some people in Asia and Europe to test your idea that this plan is not very advanced globally.  Anyway, welcome aboard, Mate . . . . The grub’s not so good, but the company is excellent . . . .

 

  • Tue, Oct 27, 2009 - 02:06am

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    Re: Agenda 21

Cloudfire wrote:

In other words, it both allays my fears, and moves me to action, not despair and passivity.

Well said.  While I don’t think that you and I will agree on all of the details; I think we both, and many other fine contributors to the “controversial topics” rathskeller see that our republic, freedoms and prosperity are under siege.  If I implied that you advocate surrender, acquiescence or desperation, I didn’t mean it that way.      

npwebb wrote:

The real question is whether enough people will wake up and stand in unison against what is becoming a massive power grab.

I may be wrong. I hope I am wrong but I fear too many have been lulled to apathy already by the promise of free “bread and circus.”

Yup, I think you hit it – will people continue to accept obvious tyranny and subjugation to feudalism?

I’ve read (not presenting as fact) that submission is measured by the PTBs via IBM (Rockefeller) software –

  • Consent Coefficients – numerical feedback indicating victory status.  Psychological basis: When the government is able to collect tax and seize private property without just compensation, it is an indication that the public is ripe for surrender and is consenting to enslavement and legal encroachment. 

Many are lulled to apathy but I am also seeing more and more starting to question the power grab as they are hurt by intrusive policies and a predatory investment cartel gone wild.

Larry  

  • Tue, Oct 27, 2009 - 07:31am

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I’ve read (not presenting as fact) that submission is measured by the PTBs via IBM (Rockefeller) software –

  • Consent Coefficients – numerical feedback indicating victory status.  Psychological basis: When the government is able to collect tax and seize private property without just compensation, it is an indication that the public is ripe for surrender and is consenting to enslavement and legal encroachment. 

Larry,

Where have you seen this info?  I’ve “heard” about this but haven’t seen any hard evidence other than some items on IBM and the Nazi Death Camps.  I’d like to learn more.  

Thanks!

  • Tue, Oct 27, 2009 - 09:43am

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    ‘Ecoscience’ – Population. Resources, Environment.

Take particular note of the third name in the author list.

Do you know who he is and what he’s doing now?

Now what do think about mass sterilisation of a population by covertly putting something in their food or better still, their water supply?

Crazy? Unethical? A conspiracy theory?

The following is taken directly from the above publication…

Still not sure who he is?

Does this face ring any bells?…

No? Okay time to put you out of your misery… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren

Read more here…. http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/

Now drink your glass of water and take your flu shots like good little sheeple Wink

Pleasant dreams and remember this as you drift off…  Maintain humanity under 500,000,000.

Good Night!

  • Tue, Oct 27, 2009 - 10:22am

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    David Rockefeller speaks about population control (Circa 1993)





Rockefeller refers to the Rio Summit of 1991 (Agenda 21)

Now to be perfectly frank, I think we do have a ballooning population crisis on our hands.

The thing that pisses me off the most is that it will be these bastards that will decide who gets to live, and who doesn’t.

A few observations from the past eighteen months…

  • The Global Financial Crisis
  • The biggest wealth transfer in history resulting in the progressive bankrupting of millions
  • The push for centralised world banking and global governance (IMF, BIS, G20, EU Lisbon Treaty, NAFTA, ASEAN etc)
  • A global carbon taxation system and ‘Cap & Trade’ ponzi scheme to be run by the same crooks that imploded the economy (Goldman Sachs owns a stake in the Chicago Carbon Exchange)
  • Dismantling of all indivduals civil rights and destruction of the Constitution
  • The implementation of a human implantable RFID system (confirmed and underway via Verichips ‘Healthlink’)
  • A progressive transition to a police state
  • Population control?… De-population???

So tell me this is not some kind of Orwellian Dystopic Nightmare coming?

 

  • Tue, Oct 27, 2009 - 11:30am

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    Re: ‘Ecoscience’ – Population. Resources, Environment.

[quote=rowmat]

Take particular note of the third name in the author list.

Do you know who he is and what he’s doing now?

Now what do think about mass sterilisation of a population by covertly putting something in their food or better still, their water supply?

Crazy? Unethical? A conspiracy theory?

The following is taken directly from the above publication…

Still not sure who he is?

Does this face ring any bells?…

No? Okay time to put you out of your misery… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren

Read more here…. http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/

Now drink your glass of water and take your flu shots like good little sheeple Wink

Pleasant dreams and remember this as you drift off…  Maintain humanity under 500,000,000.

Good Night!

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Good night, indeed, Rowmat . . . . Excellent post, but I’m glad I didn’t see it until this morning.  It’s one thing to know the agenda.  It’s another thing, entirely, to read it in their own words.  My, how impressed they are with their own ability to “manage” the situation . . .  and, what’s really stomach-turning is that they actually view themselves as benevolent.  Funny . . . I don’t see any of the eugenicists volunteering to be the ones to limit their own lives and reproduction . . . .

Take care of that book, Rowmat . . . . It’s going for $400, over on Amazon . . . . Seems that a few other people recognize its significance . . .

  • Tue, Oct 27, 2009 - 07:37pm

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    Re: ‘Ecoscience’ – Population. Resources, Environment.

[quote=Cloudfire]

Good night, indeed, Rowmat . . . . Excellent post, but I’m glad I didn’t see it until this morning.  It’s one thing to know the agenda.  It’s another thing, entirely, to read it in their own words.  My, how impressed they are with their own ability to “manage” the situation . . .  and, what’s really stomach-turning is that they actually view themselves as benevolent.  Funny . . . I don’t see any of the eugenicists volunteering to be the ones to limit their own lives and reproduction . . . .

Take care of that book, Rowmat . . . . It’s going for $400, over on Amazon . . . . Seems that a few other people recognize its significance . . .

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No Kidding!

Way to get the info out there, Ro!  Even if it is only to a handful of dungeon dwellers Wink

  • Tue, Oct 27, 2009 - 09:46pm

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    Re: ‘Ecoscience’ – Population. Resources, Environment.

[quote=Cloudfire]

Good night, indeed, Rowmat . . . . Excellent post, but I’m glad I didn’t see it until this morning.  It’s one thing to know the agenda.  It’s another thing, entirely, to read it in their own words.  My, how impressed they are with their own ability to “manage” the situation . . .  and, what’s really stomach-turning is that they actually view themselves as benevolent.  Funny . . . I don’t see any of the eugenicists volunteering to be the ones to limit their own lives and reproduction . . . .

Take care of that book, Rowmat . . . . It’s going for $400, over on Amazon . . . . Seems that a few other people recognize its significance . . .

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No it’s not my book.

But there’s plenty about it on the net.

If one takes the time to look it is not hard to see where we are heading.

WHY? Because TPTB have been telling us for years of their intentions.

It’s all out there to see and in their own words.

The reason things appear critical now is because everything TPTB have said was going to take place, is now taking place.

Here’s an example…

The following is a quote from David Rockefellers autobiography ‘Memoirs’

[quote]”Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”[/quote]

But I think this is the clincher…

[quote] “We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years.”

It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”  – David Rockelfeller, June 1991[/quote]

To spell out what Rockefeller means in his above quote

  •  He thanks the media for keeping his plans for a world government secret (which they did)
  • He states that there will be a world government
  • He states that the world government will be run by an elite group of intellectuals and bankers
  • He states this elite group is preferable to the past practice of governments being elected by the people

I have shown this quote to several friends who dismiss it as a load of hot air and say it will never happen.

But now…

Do you recall who former Brirish PM, Tony Blair went to work for after leaving British politics?

Rockefellers JP Morgan Chase

Jan 10, 2008 – Tony Blair appointed senior advisor to JPMorgan Chase
[quote]

JPMorgan Chase announced today that it has appointed former British Prime Minister Tony Blair in a senior advisory capacity to the firm, effective immediately. Mr. Blair will also join the company’s International Council.

Mr. Blair will advise JPMorgan Chase’s CEO and senior management team on a part-time basis – drawing on his immense international experience to provide the firm with strategic advice and insight on global political issues and emerging trends[/quote]

Jan 10, 2008 – Tony Blair joins investment bank
[quote]
Tony Blair has taken a part-time post with US investment bank JP Morgan.
Mr Blair, who stood down as UK prime minister in June last year, has been employed “in a senior advisory capacity”, the bank said.
He said he looked forward to advising the bank on the “political and economic changes that globalisation brings”.[/quote]

Now… ARE YOU STILL READING?

Oct 26, 2009 – Miliband backs Blair as EU president

[quote]”Former British prime minister Tony Blair is tipped to become the first president of the European Union, with a senior UK Cabinet minister lending his support for the bid….”

“… Tomorrow the Czech government is expected to ratify the Lisbon Treaty, paving the way for a new European constitution…”[/quote]

I have now shown this to the very same friends who said it would never happen.

And their response?

“Yeah whatever… that’s nice… have you seen Arnie is banning big screen TV’s?”

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