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  • Fri, Oct 23, 2009 - 03:02am

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    After the Crash

As a follow up to the discussion started in the General Discussion forum:

https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/questions-presentpast-law-enforcement-military/29998

It is my expectation that of all people (apart from the elites), the folks here at CC will be the most prepared to form new communities, local and national governments after the “crash”.

I have observed that the tone and conduct of everyone here is civil, mature, and respectful.

If this community of people who regularly visit and participate in the forums are not able to discuss matters of faith and religion in a mature and respectful manner (to the degree that it is regulated and in some cases prohibited), what is the likelihood that the communities and governments formed after the crash will likewise feel compelled to restrict the public discussion of faith and religion?

Are you personally willing to participate in a post-crash community that prohibits the free expression and public discourse of religion?

Are there other personal and civil liberties guaranteed in the United States Constitution that you would feel free prohibiting in a post crash community?  I understand CC has a global reach and this question is open to CC participants of all counties and nationalities.

This is an honest query not a rhetorical statement.

Your respectful response and dialogue is welcomed and encouraged.

  • Fri, Oct 23, 2009 - 10:44pm

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    Re: After the Crash

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My guess is that less and less people are both willing to consider religion in their lives, and are able to explain the foundations of faith. This of course makes it difficult for people to understand eachother in discussing religion. Since religion and faith are based on the human experience – both present and past – the narrower the human experience the less I would expect people to be open to discuss this. Here in Europe, religion is considered an ideology of the past, and at risk of fundamentalism. So, it’s not discussed in public, unless condemned or in the context of a scandal. In addition, governments like in France removed crucifixes from schools, and are considering a ban on the headscarf on Islamic women. So, when it is discussed, it is to further clamp down on any type of religious expression.

I don’t think this will change after the crash. In fact, I think this may be taken to extremes after the crash before the pendulum swings back the other way. I think people will need to live through situations where their human experience concludes them to think/believe/know that God exists, before they begin to consider religion and faith as part of their lives.

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  • Mon, Oct 26, 2009 - 11:00pm

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    Re: After the Crash

John,

Thanks for your honest reply.  It is pretty much understood that as a culture the United States is among the most religious in the Western world.  We are in transition becoming more and more secular.  But the degree to which a society is or is not “religious” really isn’t the point.

The question though, is in a post crash society(ies) or community (ies) what is the likelihood that individual freedom to religious expression will be suppressed?

The U.S. Constitution and the American Republic were formed in such a way to protect the “minority from the tyranny of the majority”.  The whole point is to allow freedom of expression and freedom of worship especially when those expressions fall outside of the “mainstream”.

My thesis is that those folks most informed and best prepared for the crash will be among the leaders rebuilding communities and societies “after the crash”.

If freedom of expression is suppressed and regulated in this venue (CC forums), would that not raise fears (justified or not) in the minds of those who enjoy exercising those rights about what kind of “brave new world” they can look forward to?

 

  • Tue, Oct 27, 2009 - 09:49pm

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 I am curious on your discussion here.   Are  you talking the possibility of underground churches or revival situation ?   With Muslim population growing so much as compared to any other  it is seaming to me that there is big change a coming in this area too .

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[quote=Full Moon]

 I am curious on your discussion here.   Are  you talking the possibility of underground churches or revival situation ?   With Muslim population growing so much as compared to any other  it is seaming to me that there is big change a coming in this area too .

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I don’t know what the future holds.  I can say though that throughout history and all around the world any time religion was suppressed or regulated by a central power, churches went underground.

People by their very nature are religious creatures.  They really don’t like to be told how and when and who/what they can or cannot worship.

  • Wed, Oct 28, 2009 - 10:48am

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    Re: After the Crash

 

 I assume this is some resentment at the don’t bang on about religion rule on here.

 You feel oppressed, that your “right” to say anything you please on a PRIVATE forum is being denied..

 You are hopelessly wrong.

 If you host a party or a meeting at YOUR house, you have a perfect right to decide what conduct or conversation is welcome.

 It’s a private space, you and I are guests until we outstay our welcome.

 Get it ?

 Local, voluntary rules do not infringe your rights.

 

  • Wed, Oct 28, 2009 - 04:48pm

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I didn’t get the tenor of the OP’s entry until seeing Plato1965’s post, but would say there exists a link between religion’s popularity and fear.  So, in the context of contrained free speach, I would be more afraid of booming religious intensity subsuming the diversity of opinion.  So, i guess this is completely counter to what the OP supposes.  Sorry.

  • Wed, Oct 28, 2009 - 06:55pm

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[quote=plato1965]

 

 I assume this is some resentment at the don’t bang on about religion rule on here.

 You feel oppressed, that your “right” to say anything you please on a PRIVATE forum is being denied..

 You are hopelessly wrong.

 If you host a party or a meeting at YOUR house, you have a perfect right to decide what conduct or conversation is welcome.

 It’s a private space, you and I are guests until we outstay our welcome.

 Get it ?

 Local, voluntary rules do not infringe your rights.

 

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Plato,

You shouldn’t assume anything.

I agree. 

In fact if I had read you post before probably wouldn’t posted the very same thoughts in the General Discussion section a few min ago.

 

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Plato,

Let me take the time to greet you properly. 

I know sometimes on forums we all forget that we are just average folks.  Because we are not face to face we (all of us) tend to forget our manners and normal social conventions.

I try to not to fall victim to this internet dynamic but I do fail from time to time.  “To err is human.”

If you would take a moment to re-read my original post “After the Crash” I would value your honest opinion.

 

  • Wed, Oct 28, 2009 - 07:10pm

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I didn’t get the tenor of the OP’s entry until seeing Plato1965’s post, but would say there exists a link between religion’s popularity and fear.  So, in the context of contrained free speach, I would be more afraid of booming religious intensity subsuming the diversity of opinion.  So, i guess this is completely counter to what the OP supposes.  Sorry.

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Fear is the natural outcome when you have a group of people with diverse backgrounds beliefs and practices.  Fear can lead to bad things.

A system that protects individual liberty will guard against irrational fear becoming irrational (or worse yet) unlawful behavior.

It really goes back to a simple matter of respect.  If a person doesn’t understand something they may fear it. But if respect is a guiding principal in one’s life than whatever fear is produced will be suppressed and eventually dissipated.

  • Wed, Oct 28, 2009 - 07:25pm

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    Re: After the Crash

npwebb: You have too much faith in systems.. laws…

 the Constitution was designed to limit government.. it has failed. Systems do..

 They need a moral and principled populace…

 As Ben Franklin said..

 “A republic ma’am.. IF you can keep it.”

 

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