Advising vaxxed family to skip boosters?

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  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 03:38pm

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    drsharp

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Hello!

I’m wondering if anyone has any advice or stories about how to speak to family members who have been vaccinated and encourage them to reconsider their position, at least in terms of boosters.

I’m the sole family member who hasn’t gotten the jab but I still have good relations and want to encourage my siblings and parents to at least be hesitant. Are there any good videos/articles that would be worth sending? I don’t want to try and make the full anti-vax case or anything like that… I just want them to pause rather than just continue on the treadmill as they have been.

Thoughts?

Thanks,

Dan

  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 03:44pm

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    Mike from Jersey

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Dan,

It is a real problem. The people whom I know are divided into two camps. One camp thinks that I have gone crazy. The other camp thinks that I am an oasis of sanity in a crazy world.

Even when things go crazily wrong for the people who think that I am crazy, it rarely makes any difference in what they believe.

There are exceptions but they are rare.

  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 04:11pm

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Might I suggest going to openvaers.com and showing them the mortality page which has a graph that compares these vaccines to all previous vaccines. You then have to point out that VAERS only captures between 1% and 10% of all the deaths.  Also keep in mind these vaccines totally disable even more people than they kill.  If they are willing to sit through a video presentation, the one done by Steve Kirsch titled “Save and Effective?” is a good one.  It can be found on Odysee.com https://odysee.com/@ReelNews:8/Are-the-Covid-19-Vaccines-Safe-and-Effective,-Steve-Kirsch:9

  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 05:20pm

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Hey Dan,

Deciding not to get the boosters (after getting the first shots) can be a difficult decision.  Both the wife and I got shots, after weighing the risks/rewards of the vaccines.  However, after seeing all the data come out since then, it tipped the scales in favor of not getting boosters, the risk is just too great (at this point).  I would suggest trying to shine more light on the numbers of bad reactions and side effects.  The videos that Chris did on this (about a month ago maybe?) really presents them in a clear understandable context.

Good luck…..

  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 05:31pm

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Its simple how old are you?  if you have parents in their 80s , you almost cant do harm, its not likely they will hit 90.   even if 75.      But it seems that the same people who need the shot the most , are the same people to suffer adverse events at higher rates.  At least from what i see reported.  It doesnt matter what age . there risk/benefit ratio is not there.   But certainly, you have less to lose the older you are.

I would not recommend vaxes for anyone under 40.   I do not recommend boosters for anyone. and then the next booster and the next and the next.  unless they can tell us when and how many boosters will be required, we are wasting time, which they cannot tell us

My understanding is that the boosters were not even approved by the FDA for people less than 65.    So, that is simple thing to speak about –  we should only be speaking about seniors.   and any senior should be able to make their own life decisions at that point.  Nothing really to speak about.

  • Thu, Sep 23, 2021 - 06:59pm

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Hi Drsharp,

I’m in the same boat as you. It’s a difficult problem to tackle. First, you should consider if they are open minded enough to listen to what you have to say. If they’re anything like most people I meet, you’re not going to convince them no matter what they do. They will outsource their talking points, avoid thinking, and deny that your data is legitimate. Even VAERS data.

If they are open minded, there are two options. One is showing them the data, the second is trying to help them see the clear corruption involved in groups like the FDA.

I second what jzakariasen said about the FDA meeting. My brother’s skepticism toward Kirsch was that he’s not a doctor but an entrepreneur. I highly recommend showing them more of the speakers in the FDA meeting. I listened to many in sequence that had disturbing things to say, and also pointed out the clear conflicts of interest and politics being leveraged.

I recommend starting here and playing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34M&t=16236s

It goes on and on. I think the first is good for “normies” because he takes the point of the pro side and says “we need to stop vaccine hesitancy by having more data to show the vaccines are actually safe.”

Best wishes,

em

  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 10:56am

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Me and my husband both took the first two shots, without any severe side effects (we both felt a little off for the first 24 hours, but nothing worse than that). However, it’s unlikely that I will vaccinate my kids (if and when that becomes available – I live in Sweden and they will start offering the vaccine to 12-15 year olds in Nov but my kids are younger). It’s also unlikely that I will take any booster shots if offered (again, Sweden is not offering these yet, but will likely start offering it to the elderly population soon).

 

We took the first shots, because Sweden has had almost zero infection prevention and we don’t actually have any other options either. None of the early treatments are available to us. I do believe that the vaccines are useful to some extent, for some section of the population, but I no longer believe that I need them, not with the current data that is available to me. What has swayed me in all this, is the illogical reasoning for the vaccines. I’ve started to slowly wonder why it’s so important to get everybody vaccinated with a vaccine that doesn’t seem to prevent you from infecting or becoming infected, at least not by that much. Data from Israel and UK has helped with this.  I’ve also reacted strongly on the idea of vaccine passports – something that hasn’t been implemented in Sweden, but in other countries around us. Sweden just lifted the last (very few) restrictions that we had, and we now see an uptick in cases across the board – young unvaccinated in the ICU:s mixed with elders that are fully vaccinated, which I’m sure will end up triggering the call for vaccine passports here too.

This situation, and the conversations with family and friends is hard stuff. I got into an argument with my sister (who is for the vaccine passports and plans on vaccinating her kids as soon as she can). It’s hard to convince someone, when the mainstream narrative is so loud, and the alternatives are (at least where I live) mostly promoted by pure anti-vax people, far alt-right movements, mixed with all kinds of other conspiracy theory bullshit. The data does speak for itself, but it’s hard to sift through all the rest to get to it, and make it appealing to someone who is used to trusting the officials.

I think a good approach might be to suggest that they don’t hurry it. They wait for more data to come out around possible adverse reactions – out of Israel for instance, where boosters are being given. Take it slow, patiently and don’t pressure.

  • Fri, Sep 24, 2021 - 02:10pm

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tuathaa wrote:

I think a good approach might be to suggest that they don’t hurry it. They wait for more data to come out around possible adverse reactions – out of Israel for instance, where boosters are being given. Take it slow, patiently and don’t pressure.

I think that’s excellent advice, thank you!

I don’t actually know where some of my family sits in terms of their current understanding/thought processes. Some are “captured” (sucked into the MSM narrative), some got vaxxed simply to keep their travel-life as normal as possible, and some did for job reasons (brother who is a teacher, for example). I don’t know if some did out of fear and if so if their fear persists.

I guess the start is “compassionate curiosity” (as one Pastor I know put it)… see where they are at. I’ve been so deep down this rabbit hole (with PP being a large part of that journey) that it’s sometimes a surprise when I encounter others who are totally oblivious. “Ivermectin? What’s that?”. Heh.

Cheers,

Dan

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