A very dark view of mRNA vaccines; The warning from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

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  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 09:45am

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    A very dark view of mRNA vaccines; The warning from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

Well, I am not living in fear.  Just patient prudence.

Just not in a rush to be a live animal test subject.

As viral curves go, soon getting the jab will make as much sense as buying tickets to last years Nut Cracker IMO.

 

  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 09:54am   (Reply to #51)

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    Why Live In Fear?

Hans wrote:

Okay. September 1st 2021. I can live with that 😊

Thing is, the majority of people have no idea. But when you need a vaxine passport to travel, go to a big event or even a restaurant, the ignorant people have fun, while I still wait, living in fear. A year, two years, okay. But not forever.

Hans,

I don’t get it. Why would you live in fear? There are treatments that have been reported by the PP crowd that have been ignored by the mainstream media, politicians, and our vaunted medical organizations solely so they can get these experimental vaccines authorized under emergency use. The EUA allows big Pharma to make lots of money without going through the expensive and time-consuming rigors of testing.

So, based on some arbitrary date of September 1st, are you going to change your approach and take the vaccine on September 2nd? What if that same group of confounders keeps real data out of your hands? What if the data are conflicting? Will you still live in fear?

Also, Hank Aaron died 17 days after getting his first “vaccine” shot. Was that just a coincidence? How much do you trust the reporting? Do you remember when the confounders were caught saying that a motorcycle accident victim died of Covid-19 simply because his remains tested positive? Hmmm.

MLB legend Hank Aaron’s cause of death revealed (yahoo.com)

Aaron, the 86-year-old Hall of Famer and longtime Atlanta Braves right fielder, did not die from his first COVID-19 vaccine dose.

Major League Baseball legend and Atlanta entrepreneur Hank Aaron’s cause of death has been revealed.

The 86-year-old Hall of Famer and longtime Atlanta Braves right fielder died of natural causes, according to an investigator in the Fulton County Medical Examiner’s Office.

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  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 10:06am

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    A very dark view of mRNA vaccines; The warning from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

I’m trying to keep an open mind regarding the vaccines. Since I’m not in a high-risk group my opportunity has not come up yet. I’m certainly not going to rush to be the first to sign up when that chance arises but so far I haven’t seen anything that will scare me out of getting one of the mRNA vaccines. That may change but it’s my point of view as of today.

I personally know dozens of people who’ve gotten one or more shots, and hundreds of others through social media. So far, no one has died, no one has had a severe reaction. So Hank Aaron died 17 days after getting a shot. He was 86. Newsflash…lots of 86-year olds die every day.

  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 10:33am

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    A very dark view of mRNA vaccines; The warning from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

I will not volunteer to get a vaccine. But in the end, when life is made impossible by not being vaccinated, I will consider anyway.

What I mean by living in fear: the only reason for me, to refuse the vaccine is that I am afraid that it is not safe in the long term. While others might have fun in the meantime, I am waiting for evidence or for the days that vaccine passports are no longer demanded. I am afraid of Covid too. Eventhough there is a medicine, what good does it for me when I don’t have access to that medicine? Even for horde paste you need a subscription in Belgium and The Netherlands.

If getting a shot is the only way to get my life back… So be it.

  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 10:33am   (Reply to #51)

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    Well said Grover.. this is not about fear. It’s about being informed.

There are literally new therapeutic options being explored and discussed almost daily.  Dr. Geert does not talk about this at all.. but we do.   If you follow Covid19crusher on Twitter, which I recommend everyone does… you will see these flash by;

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher

For instance;

Covid19Crusher
@Covid19Crusher
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17h
Successful nasal sprays/mouthwashes are another strong vindication of early treatment.

Hit that virus in the upper respiratory tract.

• betadine
• iota carrageenan
• saline spray
• molecular iodine
• xylitol
• nitric oxide
• glutathione+inosine+potassium
• phtalocyanine

Set a date if you must, but the data will likely be at least somewhat muddled given a wide range of vax programs around the world, and the ever-present flak of the mainstream media narrative.

  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 02:04pm

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    Pot Pourri

coh wrote:

So Hank Aaron died 17 days after getting a shot. He was 86. Newsflash…lots of 86-year olds die every day.

coh,

You are exactly right that lots of 86 year olds die every day. The real question that will never be answered is whether or not Hank Aaron would have died that day had he not taken the jab (n=1.) I was curious to see if there was any mention of him getting vaccinated in any of news-of-his-death stories. Not one of the dozen or so I read bothered to mention that fact.

Looking at his picture in this MLB article  (17 days before his death) – he looks pretty healthy for an 86 year old. That doesn’t mean he could have actually died of causes other than the shot. Of course, after having the MSM ignore pertinent treatment information for so long, can you really trust them to get it right when getting it wrong supports their advertisers’ goals?

Hank Aaron, Andrew Young, and Louis Sullivan (all prominent Black men) wanted to encourage the Black community to get vaccinated. They staged getting vaccinated as a publicity stunt to alleviate fear in the community. If Aaron’s people wanted the press to keep quiet about the cause of death, they’d surely do so. This is speculation on my part. I have no proof. The timing is really suspicious.

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Hans,

I’m sorry I mistook the intent of your post.

If the vaccine had to go through the normal testing process, how long would that take? Something that is similar to an already-approved drug probably wouldn’t take that long. As far as I know, this mRNA vaccine is novel in human medicine. It wouldn’t surprise me if the process would take 5-7 years (or possibly longer.) That’s why the Emergency Use Authorization is so necessary. To allow the EUA, no effective treatments can be recognized. There are literally $trillions riding on the outcome. That’s why they fight HCQ, IVM, vitamins, and minerals so hard.

As a result of it being beta tested on compliant human subjects, I’d wait at least 5 years to see what happens to the beta testers before submitting to the shot. If history about viral diseases is any guide, it will likely be a moot point then.

Hans, you have to consider your situation, weigh the risks, and decide the best course of action. I don’t have to live with the consequences of your decision. I wish you the best.

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There is an island in the Aleutian chain in Alaska that was overrun with invasive Norway rats – originating from a 1780s shipwreck. The predatory rats had so overpopulated the island as to prevent native bird species from successfully breeding and raising their young. All attempts to poison the rats failed. Why? The rats saw that other rats (who ate the bait) were dying and refused to take the bait.

Then, someone decided to try a poison with a delayed reaction. The rats could consume the poison for ~14 days before succumbing. Because the delay of consequences was so long, other rats lost their fear of the poison and readily consumed it. Now, the island is officially rat-free. What was once known as “Rat Island” is now known by its original Aleut name – Hawadax Island.

Grover

  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 02:37pm

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    A very dark view of mRNA vaccines; The warning from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

Grover,

Thanks for your reply. It all depends on the intensiveness of being “grounded” for not having a vaccine passport. If it just means wearing a mask and not being allowed to fly, I’ll settle for that. If it is more severe, I would consider taking the vaccine anyway. “They” actually ARE in power over my freedom when this vaccine passport exists.

I will delay as long as possible, but in the end, I want my life back.

  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 04:49pm

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    How prudent to wait on vaccine?

Great discussion. Thank you all.

We’re all under a lot of stress about this, one way or another. Health becomes partisan politic-like, and tribal, so we should be aware of that, try to tolerate “not knowing.” It helps me to see all this as a huge, interesting social time. The pandemic has brought out all the stress points in society, as well as in our own lives, probably.

One vaccine which I like more than others is the Novavax, perhaps approved in US by June? It is experimental, but at least does not involve mRNA instruction/cell entry. Or DNA. It is simply introduction of spike proteins.

The downside is the adjuvant, known to have potential problems, and Dr. Mobeen expressed this dislike in a recent overall positive review of this vaccine.

Novavax’s Adjuvanted COVID-19 Vaccine Caused Severe Adverse Reactions in Clinical Trials

Read the comment section to see the back-and-forths about how actually severe the reactions were.

About real world experience. A friend of a friend’s father got one of the mRNA vaccines and quickly lost use of arms and legs. Diagnosed now with Guillain-Barre syndrome. Shocking. How common? The reporting system is voluntary, and so we’re now in the middle of a vast experiment without any actual analysis! Dr. Mobeen went to the VAERS system yesterday and was negatively surprised by the severe and death issues, but his numbers weren’t perfect. By my very general calculations, severe adverse reactions (not fatigue, etc) might be about 10x to 100x a flue shot…

And I have fear that with all they have riding on this —the restart of our destructive and unsustainable economy, little will be told to us regarding cautionary notes –although to counter this we’ve seen Norway stop vaccine treatments for some frail folks and EU countries stop the Astra vac. It is too bad that the discussions on this seem to be black or white…and again, appreciating this discussion here.

 

  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 05:41pm

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    How prudent to wait on vaccine?

Those “severe adverse reactions” don’t sound particularly severe. I was expecting G-B syndrome or anaphylactic shock. Instead, it lists things like “fever, malaise, tenderness.” If that’s the worst the vaccine can do to me, sign me up.

Of course, we don’t know what the long term effects might be but that’s another matter.

I came across this the other day, people are apparently having significant “local”, delayed reactions to the mRNA vaccines. Leads to large swollen/red/painful/itchy areas that sometimes don’t show up for a week or more and can persist for long periods.

 

  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 07:33pm

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    A very dark view of mRNA vaccines; The warning from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

As far as I can tell, the exact sequence of the mRNA injection is proprietary. Is this true? I think it is. Does anybody else see a problem with this? Yes, we’ve been told it codes for the spike protein, however is it a variant of some sort? Are there inserts or deletions? Is the moderna sequence identical to the Pfizer sequence. Do all lot numbers of the vaccine contain the same sequence?  Do we have a right to know this?

Incidentally, for those who like Tenpenny etc…. there is an interview with Alex Newman and Dr. Richard M. Fleming which is also a must watch.

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