A very dark view of mRNA vaccines; The warning from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

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  • Tue, Mar 16, 2021 - 11:25pm

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    Reply To: A very dark view of mRNA vaccines; The warning from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

Thanks, Hohhot and MrCurious for your info.

Back a year ago there was talk of the Sars cov-2 having an HIVportion.  At the time, Clif High said to use Chaga mushroom to counteract this.  I used it as part of my protocol when I got the Covid last spring.

Years ago, I had an HIV positive friend in Seattle who was of French ancestry.  His case was not acute.  He told me at the time that he had one of the genes for immunity.  I think Hebrew ancestry also provides this immunity to plague, HIV.

I hate the thought that having survived this bug with my natural immunity, I may now be forced to get a shot or be discriminated against if I chose not to.

Edit: A weird and twisted thought, does the ancestral Hebrew HIV immunity have something to do with why Israel is being so heavily vaccinated?

  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 04:51am

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    A very dark view of mRNA vaccines; The warning from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

Del Bigtree reported several months ago that for the two-shot versions, the first shot resulted in too many non-neutralizing ABs v. the neutralizing ABs. That it required a second shot to adjust the ratio and produce enough neutralizing ABs. Relatively too many non-neutralizing ABs ould result in an ADE response by drawing the virus into the cell. In other words, it could be very risky to take the first shot and refuse the second one, or to expose yourself to too much virus before the second shot. I haven’t heard anything further about this.

Doctors in general are very uneducated about vaccine risk. NIH and CDC have refused to study vaccinated v. unvaccinated. Let alone the entire CDC childhood schedule (72 doses of 17 vaccines in 18 years) v. unvaccinated, which cumulatively involve seriously toxic levels of adjuvants like aluminum. Dr. Paul Thomas (pediatrician) of Oregon recently published a ten year comparison of his patients – completely unvaccinated v. partial or completely vaccinated. (He started offering those options to his patients after noticing the major unexpected side effects that were occurring just after the jab.) 12 typical childhood conditions (like eczema, ear infections, ADHD) ALL were much more prevalent in the vaccinated group. Two weeks after that paper was published his license was pulled under the excuse of child endangerment, even though he had just proved his patients on the whole were much healthier than the general population.

https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/17/22/8674/htm

Vaccines may help with a particular disease, but in general they degrade the immune system. Doctors who for decades have been vaccinating their patients are unlikely to be able to accept this concept.

  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 06:15am

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    A very dark view of mRNA vaccines; The warning from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

Bossche just posted the following on twitter as an update to address many questions that have been raised by his executive summary:

bit.ly/3eNWVBl

  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 06:34am

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    A very dark view of mRNA vaccines; The warning from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

Geert’s CV: https://37b32f5a-6ed9-4d6d-b3e1-5ec648ad9ed9.filesusr.com/ugd/28d8fe_ee3268cae3624827813d352f63b2088d.pdf

He is not “a veterinarian”. (Yes, a DVM, but that doesn’t define his virology experience.)

  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 07:44am

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    Why are scientists dumbasses

Agitating, I think  scientists go along with the herd like anyone else. I got a good taste of this last year when prominent scientists came out to assure us that SARS-Cov-2 could not have possibly come from a lab. Really? That’s like the pilot’s association announcing that we don’t have the technology to fly airplanes and then everyone believes it rather than get called a conspiracy wacko. Then again with the whole campaign to make people believe hydroxychloroquine is dangerous and must be avoided.

My background is organic chemistry, and from there all over the place to different biomedical research labs (life throws you around). But the point I want to make is that the immunologists really aren’t very advanced. They’ve got lots of fancy acronyms, but they’re in the stone age compared to let’s say something like surgery where stunning advances have been made. Maybe some day we’ll look back on today’s vaccines and liken them to doctors poking a hole in your skull to let the demons out. I’m sorry you have an autoimmune issue and I wish you the best.

  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 08:00am   (Reply to #45)

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    Thank you Kat.. indeed, Dr. Geert is a DVM, PhD, w/PhD in virology

One can attack the thesis on technical terms.. and from what I am hearing in the interviews Dr. Geert would like nothing more than to have a two-way technical dialogue with those who hold alternative views.  Unfortunately, in today’s environment of overt censorship and cancel culture, many of those who might want to engage at all sympathetically will not, hence all we have left are certain show boaters and shills telling us he is wrong.  That’s not debate.

I want to again (in this thread) post below the recent paper that supports some of the points Dr. Geert is making… that variants will outcompete and outrun this kind of very specific, mRNA sequence targeted vaccine, and that natural immunity gained from previous infection works better at neutralizing variants.  Beware that the pharma deep state will have it’s own narrative to fit these facts;  More mRNA “vaccines” targeted at all the new strains… more shots… three shots instead of two… multiple update shots all year…  because if the sheeple don’t understand the problem correctly, they can be led into any “solution”.  Our work here is important.

BTW, Thank you Quercus… you are likely correct that the wave was already coming.  I do think that the death was likely exaggerated by the vaccination.. and your work to put data behind the thesis that there is a special vulnerability between jabs is important too.

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00298-1

Multiple SARS-CoV-2 variants escape neutralization by vaccine-induced humoral immunity

Summary
Vaccination elicits immune responses capable of potently neutralizing SARS-CoV-2. However, ongoing surveillance has revealed the emergence of variants harboring mutations in spike, the main target of neutralizing antibodies. To understand the impact of these variants, we evaluated the neutralization potency of 99 individuals that received one or two doses of either BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273 vaccines against pseudoviruses representing 10 globally circulating strains of SARS-CoV-2. Five of the 10 pseudoviruses, harboring receptor-binding domain mutations, including K417N/T, E484K, and N501Y, were highly resistant to neutralization. Cross-neutralization of B.1.351 variants was comparable to SARS-CoV and bat-derived WIV1-CoV, suggesting that a relatively small number of mutations can mediate potent escape from vaccine responses. While the clinical impact of neutralization resistance remains uncertain, these results highlight the potential for variants to escape from neutralizing humoral immunity and emphasize the need to develop broadly protective interventions against the evolving pandemic.

  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 08:37am   (Reply to #45)

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    A very dark view of mRNA vaccines; The warning from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

Jim H:

Thanks for posting that study on the viruses escaping neutralization.

Kat43:

Thanks for posting the informative and impressive curriculum vitae on Dr. Bossche.

This is one of the reasons I come to this site. You can get good information which is otherwise not easy to find.

I have doubts about the warning from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche but I also have real concerns with people pushing experimental vaccines as if there is no risk involved.

I am glad that there are people on this site trying to get us accurate information on a matter of importance.

  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 08:45am

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    Reply To: A very dark view of mRNA vaccines; The warning from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

Living in fear:

– Investing in oil when it was $100/barrel. All indicators, all logic thinking, all experts agreed. “This was only the beginning of unaffordable oil”. Oil price dropped, never to rise again until today. That was 2014. 7 years living in a world that should be impossible to exist. But it did.

– Collapse of the currencies. Euro-crisis. Starting in 2008. All indicators, all logic thinking, all experts agreed: this was the beginning of the end. 13 years later we are still living in a world that was supposed to be impossible to exist. But it did.

– Since my earliest childhood: “housing prices are at an absurd level”. It is impossible for young people to buy a house. These bubbles MUST pop. All indicators, all logic thinking, all experts agreed. 50 years later residential prices have 15-folded. It was not supposed to be possible. But it was.

Let’s make a deal. Let’s UPFRONT pick a date. When this mass deaths do not occur before that date, shall we then say he was wrong, eventhough all indicators, all logic, all experts think he couldn’t be?

 

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I have similar thoughts.  OK–Date is Sept 1, 2021.

That being said, I am not discounting some merit in the suggestion that the mRNA vac’s do not pose some sort of issue regarding ADE, innate system damage and similar issues not observed (admitted) in the initial trials.

And also noting 100 million jabs into the effort it seems preposterous to suggest that there are no terrible adverse reactions connected with the vaccines.  NO product ever created can brag such a track record from a pool that large.  I mean, not even Hank Aaron batted 1000 (oops, that was dark).

But seriously, I am suspicious of the manufacturers that continuously and completely dismiss any connection.  After 100 million?  On a new and partially tested product?  Their thorough going shirk of all serious adverse reaction costs them creds in my mind.

So the way I see it, Vanden Boosche, Merritt, Tenpenny, Cahill etc might be onto something.  Maybe not as doomsday as they suggest.  So we will wait and see.  That is what animal trials are all about. Right?

  • Wed, Mar 17, 2021 - 09:10am

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    A very dark view of mRNA vaccines; The warning from Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

Okay. September 1st 2021. I can live with that 😊

Thing is, the majority of people have no idea. But when you need a vaxine passport to travel, go to a big event or even a restaurant, the ignorant people have fun, while I still wait, living in fear. A year, two years, okay. But not forever.

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