A message for Chris and the investors

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  • Thu, Mar 18, 2021 - 09:46am   (Reply to #80)

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    Jim H

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    Super post Nordic

I would be proud to share a foxhole with you while defending the last vestiges of sanity, rationality, integrity, and Freedom.

  • Thu, Mar 18, 2021 - 10:07am

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    Mike Anderson

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    Integrity often leads to a smaller tribe

Integrity is something of a moving target as we learn and grow. What is normal and generally acceptable, such aiming for growth by appealing to a wide audience, may turn out to be unsustainable if the audience shows up on the condition of integrity. Chris Martenson felt that tension when he started putting his more scandalous analysis behind a paywall and off searchable Youtube. But how do you maintain the business model that sustains your lifestyle if what is of greatest value can no longer be advertised?

I’ve seen some of these tensions play out in someone else who preaches integrity, Jordan B Peterson. I like the guy because he speaks truth to power and yet sees himself as still on a journey of discovery, defending his legacy of opinions not as though they were extensions of his ego, but only as far as his current understanding allows. Three years ago he defended his scholarly exploration, “Maps of Meaning,” in interviews saying that he agonized over the proper way to convey his ideas, editing sentences even fifty times. And that he was nearly alone in trying to expand on the project of Carl Jung of explaining universal religious archetypes (that seem to dwell in the collective unconscious) with evolutionary psychology. Before COVID he had a brush with death and a long recuperation, and in a recent interview with evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein I was curious to notice that he spoke of “Maps” as a learning experience and that he was not enthusiastically coming into agreement with Weinstein’s thesis that apparent benevolence serves the selfishness of genetic lineages. It was as though Peterson was called upon to defend his legacy, knowing that if he didn’t he would lose alliances with the likes of Weinstein, while hinting at his invigorated interest in religious experiences and wondering aloud how Jung came to know what he did, something Jung tried to hide because it was incompatible with a genteel teleology of genetic lineages (or however evolutionary ends were expressed in his era).

I’m not aiming to defend Peterson’s opinions here (we disagree quite a bit!), but only to show that you can build a career using commonly accepted and respected means, but then follow your conscience in a direction that takes you away from mainstream ideas and the audience that supported you. If you can balance the tension, you might be able to lead them to new places, but in actual fact no one is big enough to stand against the tide for long. In my understanding of the world, with narratives on top of narratives on top of narratives, if the tide of public opinion turns in the direction you were hoping to go, you’d better check to see if you’ve been compromised by someone else’s agenda. The truth will never be popular.

  • Thu, Mar 18, 2021 - 10:41am

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    2retired

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    A message for Chris and the investors

The deplatforming of dissenting opinions has been gathering steam for a while and has filtered down from de-monetizing, to interrupting funding mechanisms such as pantheon. No doubt buying out this site and (selectively) shutting it down. It is scary that open discussion is stamped out when it threatens a (profit and control) narrative.  I hope I can locate (and support) Chris if/when he re-emerges on his own site.

  • Fri, Mar 19, 2021 - 08:23am

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    Missing consultation

Nice detective work, dreinmund [in “Where the Hell Is Chris].

I hadn’t notice that Chris’ offer of consultation at the bottom of the homepage is now missing.

  • Fri, Mar 19, 2021 - 08:55am

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    A message for Chris and the investors

Sad.

  • Fri, Mar 19, 2021 - 03:43pm

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    Reply To: A message for Chris and the investors

And comments on this thread and the “where the hell is chris?” thread no longer show in the list of most recent comments.

One is not supposed to comment on the people who “disappeared.”  I think that folks in Mexico and Myanmar and other places know this already.

  • Fri, Mar 19, 2021 - 06:18pm

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    dreinmund

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    This thread not showing anymore in most recent comment

I noticed the same thing. At first, I thought there just were no recent comment. I felt that was unlikely, and dug deeper. Et voila.

Regardless of what these investors think, introducing this kind of “soft” censorship will kill the tribe as is. The investors might still be able to make it a business, but I would be out of here.

I feel like Adam is caught in the middle. His content is probably what they wanted to push further, but Chris’ direction is what they felt uncomfortable with.

Ultimately, to be honest, good independent financial advise, interviews and analysis is NOT hard to get these days, and a lot for free. What Chris was providing was so unique, and it is priceless. I don’t think they realize that.

 

Edit: right after posting, my comment DID show up in the most recent comments section. So, it’s not clear if there was manual interference before, or maybe just some forum fluke (there are some of these from time to time). We shall see.

  • Fri, Mar 19, 2021 - 07:25pm   (Reply to #88)

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    A message for Chris and the investors

I think maybe the new forum topics just pushed this one off the end of the list.  You can find it by clicking “more” in the forum section.  But it only shows up on the front page if someone has posted.  Too bad, considering its importance.

Can anybody with a personal connection with Chris contact him to find out if/how we can help get this website back somehow?  This whole thing is feeling so wrong, so sad.  I’m literally weeping and burning my sourdough (never happens!). This place is precious to me, to us!  Fer Cryin’ Out Loud What The F Is Going On? I can’t call Chris, but somebody here might be able to.  What can we do?

Susan

  • Sat, Mar 20, 2021 - 08:10pm

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    FooBarr

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    A big thank you to the investors for working things out with Chris

I will admit I know little about what transpired over the past few weeks, but I will say that you (aka The Investors) appear to be rational folks.  I will further state and this momentary curfuffle at PP Tribal Council will make this website and it’s fanatic fellowship that much stronger going forward.

Thank You

  • Sat, Mar 20, 2021 - 09:01pm

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    A message for Chris and the investors

Got some great news in this thread…

where the hell is chris?

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