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    Re: 9/11 WTC explosives – not a conspiracy theory

I’ll pose this question, why would they even use thermite? The railroad industry uses thermite to weld together the steel rails.  Its not like we dont have high powered, land and space based lasers. At least that would have left no evidence other than melting of steel. Since thermitre is tracable, as we are learning, I would think if they were smart enough to orchesrate this whole thing, they would be smart enough to use something that couldnt be traced.

 

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Sorry, I work for Northrop Grumman w/ clearance. Never heard of any top secret conspiracy theories to fly our own planes into the WTC. I think it would have served our companies interests well, since after 9/11 Bush extended the B2 program, funded some new programs, and got us in a few wars. I can only give you my perpective since I actually work for a large US government/military contractor. Until I see more proof about the thermite, thermate (archaic technology) was used, I won’t be inclined to believe it.

I can’t conceive why our so advanced military would use such a technology as thermite, when they have things in their arsenal you aren’t even capable of comprehending.

 

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Scientists investigating the rubble using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC), then writing a paper published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal to be peer-reviewed by other scientists stating that their tests were positive for Active Thermitic Material doesn’t get your attention?

Then I suppose that science is just one large conspiricy theory to some of us on here.

But I can assure that if this WERE an inside job, Northrop Grumman would have known nothing about it. And who claimed the military would have had anything to do with it?

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Jerry that wasnt the question I asked. I never said it wasn’t true that someone found thermite. I don’t believe the government used thermite to bring down the towers. I asked why they would even use thermite. I know what technology the military has.

I can already get in trouble for saying where I work, so I’m not inclined to say much more.

I’m absolutely confident in what I know and I have no desire to continue this conversation.

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Hi SPM.

I think you are jumping to conclusions here.  If I can paraphrase your statements they seem be "thermite doesn’t make sense because the military has better, less traceable things to use".

Making this leap to the putative role of "the military" seems premature.  Further that’s a mighty big organization to indict and I’d want to see a LOT more evidence before any such aspersions were cast.

The discussion here and now is about the presence of Thermite in the dust.  If that gets repeated and confirmed, then we might actively investigate how it got there and then,finally, who might be responsible for that.

Because thermite is certainly traceable, this line of inquiry could get mighty interesting in a hurry.  No matter which version of the story you believe, this could reveal hard answers in a criminal trial which I would fully support.  If, once again, a full and complete investigation is thwarted, then we will be left with only questions, no answers.

For now, I am intrigued by the hard evidence at hand – Thermite was found in the dust.  That’s a mighty interesting finding.  My curiosity is piqued.

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Nope. That certainly isn’t a question I am qualified to answer (and don’t want you to get in trouble elaborating on it).

But I answered your question with a question: why would we assume that if this were an inside job the military would have anything to do with it?

To me that would have been much too high of an operation (assuming there was an operation) to just hand it to the military. And thermite/thermate would certainly do the job according to my research. Wouldn’t it?

SPM, there is just way too much evidence pointing to something smelling fishy here for me, a free thinker, to brush it all off as coincidence. I have to keep an open mind and when I do, a guy living in a cave somewhere being responsible for 9/11 just don’t pass the smell test. And this smell test is an objective one, not subjective, IMO.

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Thank you for the response Chris.

 

On the military side. The commander and chief is the number one voice. When he says jump, the military does exactly that, no questions asked. I think the military (or those in control of) would be the only ones with the capabilities of carrying out an operation of this magnitude.

If a controlled demolition was the end result, at least a whole floor of the WTC would have had to been closed, all the wood, drywall, cubicles and offices would have needed to be removed in order to access the steel columns. At least a whole floor would have had to been gutted. Does anyone know if this was done? Why use thermite instead of normal shape charges for demolition? Both are just as tracable. Did they place the thermite charges and after the plane hit, run up and set them off? I can’t image any electrical control system would withstand a direct impact from a jumbo jet at full speed, nor would the wiring last through a extended fire. Military grade thermite needs a very high temp to ignite. When I was much younger we used to put magnesium ribbon in little piles of thermite to get it going. People don’t realize all it would take to accomplish the end result we all saw. From a logistical standpoint, I just don’t see a controlled demolition possible.

Yea, I do have to be careful with my big mouth.

I think the fact that thermite was found is an interesting item. I would like to see it explained as to how or why it got there. But using thermite for a controlled demolition of a building makes no sense to me. If someone has any history of thermite being used for high rise demolition I would appreciate the info. Thermite isnt very controllable.

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   The way to instill confidence in our country’s government, and to pull us back together again, is not done by sweeping all this under the rug, and trying to pretend there isn’t an elephant in the living room.  There is enough question about all this, that it needs to be addressed by neutral groups of people who have nothing to be gained one way or the other. I don’t like our government for what it has become, and the prospects that it will continue in that direction, and if it is indeed capable of the things we are seeing, then I want to know what else it may have been involved in.  Until these questions are resolved in an above board, totally transparent manner, the trust and confidence in our entire way of life is in question.  I don’t care if a number of people come to this site and think that tin hats are the norm here, if this is done as Chris says, with strict adherance to fact and not guess work, then there is nothing wrong with pursuing the subject.  I didn’t start out thinking this was anything but a terrorist action, but too much has now come to light to dismiss it and hope it will go away.  I want trained, intelligent people to view this whole thing outside government, and then tell me again there is nothing sinister going on, then I can forget about it and go on.  It would seem that our government should have insisted on that in the first place for the good of the nation.

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    Re: 9/11 WTC explosives – not a conspiracy theory

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I’ll pose this question, why would they even use thermite? The railroad industry uses thermite to weld together the steel rails.

I’m out of my league with the chemistry of explosives, but during yesterdays interview Neils Harrit (one of the authors of the report) said "it is a very advanced variety of thermite – it is nano-thermite" (see 9:05 of this video link).

Maybe you or someone else might be able to clarify how advanced this form of nano-thermite really is.

Larry

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[quote=starbucks2]I want trained, intelligent people to view this whole thing outside government, and then tell me again there is nothing sinister going on, then I can forget about it and go on.  It would seem that our government should have insisted on that in the first place for the good of the nation.[/quote]

 . . . . . . Which begs the question, "Why hasn’t our government done a thorough investigation, as should be done at any crime scene?"  Surely, a terrorist act is a crime . . . . . . . But then, we’re getting ahead of ourselves . . . . . First, let’s watch for the confirmation of thermite in ground zero dust . . . . . Stay tuned . . . . .

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I’m sure people here have watched controlled demolitions of building on TV. I’m addmitedly no expert on the subject, but the ones I have watched, they collapse one side of the building first, so that the building will fall in on itself, and they place charges throughout the entire building, not only a few selected floors.

Here is a paper from actual demolition experts on the collapse of the WTC. http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

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