2012?

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  • Wed, Feb 11, 2009 - 05:35am

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    AnOregonian

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    Re: 2012?

Well folks – we even have a specific date: December 21, 2012!

http://www.december212012.com/

That being the case, I’d quit worrying about "peak" anything ’cause we’re not going to be around long enough to use anything up! So spend, spend, spend – max out that credit card! Party hearty for the next 3.5 years – yippee!  Money mouth Cool

Of course, if they’re wrong – well, uh,oh!  Cry

  • Wed, Feb 11, 2009 - 05:42am

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    Re: 2012?

Well Arthur –

I’ve only had my masters in Nuclear Engineering since 1983 so it’s possible all of the laws of physics governing radiochemistry, subatomic particles, mass and energy have been changed since then. 

But I am at a loss to understand how a massless energy particle from pair production or pair annihilation can interact with matter and cause tectonic slip.

Enrico Fermi and Max Planck could be wrong though.

  • Wed, Feb 11, 2009 - 05:47am

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    Re: 2012?

[quote=SamLinder]

That being the case, I’d quit worrying about "peak" anything ’cause we’re not going to be around long enough to use anything up! So spend, spend, spend – max out that credit card! Party hearty for the next 3.5 years – yippee!  Money mouth Cool

Of course, if they’re wrong – well, uh,oh!  Cry

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Sam – did you catch the episode of House where a patient was misdiagnosed with terminal cancer?  He ran out and lived it up – mortgaged the house, maxed out the credit cards – basically a one man stimulus package.

Predictably, House correctly diagnosed him, cured him and then he was screwed.

  • Wed, Feb 11, 2009 - 06:38am

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    2012 debunking URLs

Apocalympics 2012 – Mayan "Prophecy"No Doomsday in 2012 – Universe Today
2012 blog post category – Universe Today
2012 Debunking? – Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum
the whole 2012 poles flip nonsense – Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum
If the ancient Mayans were so good at prophecy, then why didn’t they foretell the collapse of their own civilization?
Also in case any Planet X (related to Mayan Apocalympics 2012) discussion pops up:
The Planet X Arguments in a Nutshell
Planet X main page
A big movie is about to come out about 2012 so get ready for a spike of 2012 bullshit folks…

  • Wed, Feb 11, 2009 - 06:48am

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    Re: 2012?

[quote=Dogs_In_A_Pile][quote=SamLinder]

That being the case, I’d quit worrying about "peak" anything ’cause we’re not going to be around long enough to use anything up! So spend, spend, spend – max out that credit card! Party hearty for the next 3.5 years – yippee!  Money mouth Cool

Of course, if they’re wrong – well, uh,oh!  Cry

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Sam – did you catch the episode of House where a patient was misdiagnosed with terminal cancer?  He ran out and lived it up – mortgaged the house, maxed out the credit cards – basically a one man stimulus package.

Predictably, House correctly diagnosed him, cured him and then he was screwed.

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Hi Dogs,

I didn’t see that, but i vaguely remember a movie being done some years ago with a similar theme. It can be kind of a catch-22 if you think about it. Let’s just say House was wrong and the guy remained frugal instead. Wouldn’t he be p.o.’d at the end when he realized that his kids were going to get it all and he missed his last opportunities to play!

I guess one way to get around that is to party hearty until the money runs out. Then, if you’re still alive, drive off a cliff in your new sports car! Yell AHHhhhhhh………………………………………. splat!

  • Wed, Feb 11, 2009 - 10:48am

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    Re: 2012?

2012 is when I predicted Australia would run out of oil….  No, not because the planets all line up either!

Mike 

  • Wed, Feb 11, 2009 - 12:33pm

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    Re: 2012?

This is an interesting list of comments.  It reminds me of the reaction that Chris probably got the first time he talked to a group of "nonbelievers".

2012 is the end-date of the Mayan Calendar.  That calendar is fairly complex, It consists of 9 cycles or stages with each cycle consisting of six days and seven nights (not literally – these days and nights consist of periods of time that become shorter and shorter as the calendar reaches 2012.  It has nothing to do with the end of the world.  If you are interested you can Google a guy named Ian Lungold who put together a series of videos before he died.

Whether or not the Mayan Calendar has any validity is a judgment anyone can make once they look at the data.  It does seem in sync with many other world views of indigenous people.  Accepting the nonsense that’s dished out by the History Channel is a foolish approach.

What concerns me about these comments is that they reflect a love affair with the left brain and the thinking that results from insisting on viewing the world through a set of “facts”.  There is no doubt that the Crash Course is revolutionary in tying together information that is presented in a fractious and sometimes outright deceptive manner in the mass media.  It took courage to do that.  I would suggest that there is also information out there about how other people viewed the world and what they though mattered and was important.  For instance, at the end of a Mayan year all debts were eliminated.  Interesting concept on which to base a culture.  Their calendars do not reflect time as we know it; their calendars had to do with the evolution of the human spirit. 

So I would just caution that we might want to be as curious about things that we don’t know anything about as we would wish for others to be who have not seen the Crash Course.

 

  • Wed, Feb 11, 2009 - 01:26pm

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    Re: 2012?

According to a discovery channel documentary I watched a month ago, the poles have reversed on earth several times over the millenia. Has to do with the way the liquid iron core’s currents change over time. Apparently, a shift in magnetic north powered by that process is measurably happening now. While there is debate, some scientists believe we are headed for another pole shift to occur by 2012. This has the potential to create some interesting changes to the earth as you might imagine.

I have no opinion on this, other than to say it sounds like the same kind of argument you might have about man made global warming. Some scientists say it is real, some say it is BS.

Apparently the Mayan calendar ends due to the position of the earth with regard to the Milky Way. This is the year we pass over the middle point. This happens on December 21. My question is how do you know where the 1/2 way point is? isn’t that based on the starting point of the measurement, which is clearly arbitrary?

If I recall, the end of the world was supposed to be midnight, December 31, 1999. As far as I am concerned, were living on borrowed time, so go buy a Lamborghini and live it up!

Rog

  • Wed, Feb 11, 2009 - 02:22pm

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    Re: 2012?

"If the ancient Mayans were so good at prophecy, then why didn’t they foretell the collapse of their own civilization?"

Good point

Greg

  • Wed, Feb 11, 2009 - 02:48pm

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    Re: 2012?

Considering the collapse of their civilization, I’d say that they weren’t the smartest tool in the shed… even though, from what I’ve been told, they were pretty "advanced" for their time (technologically and astronomically speaking).

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