Investing in precious metals 101
  • What Should I Do?

    Food Storage Made Easy

    Visit a Mormon cannery
    by Adam Taggart

    Sunday, March 27, 2011, 4:43 AM

The events in Japan – stripping grocery shelves and leaving thousands of families without food, water, electricity, or sanitation – provide us with grim motivation to assess our own levels of personal resilience. How prepared are you if a similar disaster (natural or man-made) were to suddently strike where you live?

I, for one, still have more gaps than I would like. Like many folks, I've been genuinely intending to get around to filling them soon, but noble plans have little value the moment after the unexpected occurs. As Chris often says, it's immeasurably better to be a year early with your preps than a day late.

As a tool for prioritizing my next steps, I've been reviewing this site's What Should I Do? guide, which Chris, I and the PeakProsperity.com staff put together last summer. I think it's one of the best resources on the Web for guiding folks through the beginner and intermediate levels of personal preparation (our forums being where more advanced planning is addressed).

Reviewing the guide reminded me that I have less food stored than I should. My wife and I had already followed the entry-level advice of deepening our pantry by buying more of our usual staples on each trip to the store, and I had bought some bulk supplies at Costco – but, all in all, we probably had less than two months' worth of food for our family of four, versus the year's supply I wanted.

If you're like me, you've been inspired by the local food storage days organized by several groups here at PeakProsperity.com. I had fully intended to organize one in my area. I'd be like Dogs or Sager, using the day to build community in my area and my role as a "go-to" guy within it – strengthening relationships along with my neighborhood's resiliency in one fell swoop.

The problem was in the logistics: recruiting enough people, finding a day that worked for everyone, and determining and ordering all the components provided enough of a hurdle that the planning for the event kept getting pushed back to "next week." But once Japan reminded me of the costly downside to procrastinating on such an important need, I switched strategies, focusing on finding a faster way to meet my family's goal.

I ended up making a trip to a food cannery operated by the Mormon Church. The facilities are available to anyone (my wife and I are not Mormons) and, I must say, they offer the easiest and most affordable way to procure high-quality stored food.

So I'm documenting the experience here for anyone who may have interest in doing the same.

First, a little background – and let's make it clear, this post is not a commentary (positive or negative) on Mormonism as a religion; it's strictly a desciption of my research and experience with the food storage services they offer. The Mormon Chruch advises its members to develop self-reliance against a number of hardships, including food/water, financial, health, and emotional challenges. The rationale is that it's more difficult to attend to spirtual needs if the basic human needs have yet to be met. To help in this, the LDS ("Latter-Day Saints," as the Mormons refer to themselves) offer resources and services both online and in local communities.

The Church advises its members to have three months' worth of food storage on hand, and, if possible over time, to increase that to a year's worth. So, they've built a network of LDS food storage facilities across the US and Canada (and a few other countries) where people can come in and purchase bulk supplies at a discount. Being a charitable organization in mission, they make this opportunity available to anyone, regardless of faith or lack thereof.

Most of these are "dry pack" canneries, which deal with staples that can last for long periods if water and/or oils aren't present. These include rice, beans, wheat (red & white), oats, flour (white), sugar, pastas, and dehydrated milk and vegetables. There are also "wet pack" facilities that help store foods that require moisture (fruits, vegetables, soups, sauces, etc), though they are fewer in number. "Wet" provisions will eventually go rancid and don't store as long as "dry" foods. I went to a dry-pack facility, so the observations here are limited to that experience.

Purchased food is stored in one of three ways: in #10 cans, in pouches, and in bulk size. #10 cans are by far the most easy to deal with. They hold between 2 to 5 lbs. of food, depending on what's inside them, can be easily handled, are extremely durable, and lock out air, allowing for storage lifetimes of up to 30 years. Pouches hold up to about 20% more than the cans and may be easier to draw from and reseal, but I was discouraged from using them as they are much more vulnerable to rodents. Bulk sacks contain 25 lbs. and are not "sealed" for long-term storage.

At the center, you can purchase food already packaged for long-term storage (usually six #10 cans to a box), or you can can it yourself. Prices are very inexpensive (as Nacci says, they're practically giving it away). As an example, a #10 can of white rice from industry leader Mountain House costs $17.79. The cannery charged me $3.30. By the way, did I mention that mountainhouse.com is out of stock on all its #10 cans with no re-stocking date in sight? 

Canning the food yourself is cheaper. Though to be honest, the additional cost to buy the prepackaged cans is so small (typically around 5 cents extra for a few tenths of a pound less) that if you prize convenience, you can just drive up, buy the prepacked boxes, and be done with everything in a matter of minutes.

For those thinking of taking this route, here's how to get started:

  1. Find the nearest cannery in your areaprovidentliving.org has an interactive map that will help you find the nearest LDS canneries in your area, along with contact information.
  2. Calculate how much food you want to purchaseNote: it's going to be more than you think. There are calculators to help you given the size of your family. You'll then need to download and submit an order form noting the quantities of each type of food you want.
  3. Determine if you want to can your own food – more on the pros/cons below.
  4. Book your date

I decided to can as much as they'd let me (60 cans per visit), more to get an understanding of how the process works and to have a better sense of what I'd be getting when I opened the cans later on. It's also a social experience – I found it a good way to get tips and recipes from the more experienced folks joining me at the center that day.

When you arrive at the center, the process is explained (it's a typical assembly line) and everyone is assigned a task. It's efficient and remarkably quick: A can makes it through the sytem and into a box in less than a minute.

First, the bulk sacks and stacks of cans are brought in on pallets. The "lifter" (my terminology) then picks them up one at a time, opens them and brings them to the pouring station. The "pourer" then takes the bag and fills up 5-6 cans at a time. Then the "tamper" bangs the cans to settle their contents down, and hands them back to the pourer until they are fully topped off. When they are, the tamper places an oxygen-absorber packet in the center of the open can (on top of its contents) and hands it off to the "canner".

     

The canner places a lid atop the open can and places it on the canning machine. A lever is pulled, the machine chugs to life, and 5 seconds later the can is sealed. It's then given to the "labeler", who places an identifying sticker on the can. Finally, the "stocker" places the can in a box according to the specific orders of the customers at the center that day.

         

That's it. At the end of the session (usually two hours in length), folks collect their boxes, pay and fill up their cars. A warning: Your food will likely take up a LOT of space. I canned the maximum of 60 cans, plus bought a similar amount of prepacked food. This filled just about all of the available space in my Toyota Highlander (including the passenger seat). Some folks rent a U-Haul trailer for this and I can totally understand why. Here's a picture of (a little more than half of) what I ended up with:

Note that if you're building food storage for more than one person, it will likely take multiple trips to the cannery. A year's supply of food is a LOT of food. For my family of four, I made a significant dent in my storage gap; but I'll need to go back – probably a few times – before I have a full year's worth. I'm looking forward to visiting a wet pack center, too, to add some variety.

A question several folks have asked me: Did the "religion factor" play a role in the experience at all? (i.e., was there any sell job on Mormonism in the process?) There wasn't. The staff at the center couldn't have been nicer, and no one brought up religion (of any kind) while I was there. I left feeling grateful for their conscientious service and for keeping things strictly on a business level.

In my opinion, nothing beats participating in a food storage program with the members of your local community. The relationships and goodwill built are worth the extra cost and complexity. But if that's not in the cards for you anytime soon, the LDS canneries are a great alternative. Even more options are discussed in our WSID Guide to Storing Food. The important thing is to use the time we have now wisely. Work on those gaps in your plan. And consider sending some extra to those in Japan without that luxury.

cheers,
Adam


  

This What Should I Do? blog series is intended to surface knowledge and perspective useful to preparing for a future defined by Peak Oil.  The content is written by PeakProsperity.com readers and is based in their own experiences in putting into practice many of the ideas exchanged on this site.  If there are topics you'd like to see featured here, or if you have interest in contributing a post in a relevant area of your expertise, please indicate so in our What Should I Do? series feedback forum.

If you have not yet seen the other articles in this series, you can find them here:

This series is a companion to this site's free What Should I Do? Guide, which provides guidance from Chris and the PeakProsperity.com staff on specific strategies, products, and services that individuals should consider in their preparations.  

Related content
» More

33 Comments

  • Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 6:09am

    #1
    Denny Johnson

    Denny Johnson

    Status Bronze Member (Offline)

    Joined: Aug 14 2008

    Posts: 119

    thanks

    Every time I read one of these fantastic What Should I Do articles, I want to post a comment expressing appreciation. But I never quite do it cuz I know how frustrating it is for those w slow connections to wait for a post to open and only find a ‘great article, thanks’ post.

    I can no longer stifle myself…….. thanks Adam, great article, and thanks to all who have authored articles for this series, generously sharing your knowledge, wisdom, and experiences.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 6:26am

    #2
    LG

    LG

    Status Member (Offline)

    Joined: Oct 06 2009

    Posts: 15

    LDS Cannery

    Good story. My wife and I have used the LDS cannery many times. Quality product, great prices and friendly folks. The actual name of the Mormon Church is “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints”. We bought bulk wheat and stored it in 5 gallon buckets, unprocessed wheat will last many years with no special treatment. Call ahead for availability of items, sometimes they are out, seems to be a big demand for certain things. I wonder why.

    LG

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 9:37am

    #3

    taxed2death

    Status Member (Offline)

    Joined: Jan 24 2010

    Posts: 0

    Great article Adam,I have

    Great article Adam,

    I have been canning(in glass jars) my own food for a couple of years now and this year have increased my usual amount of food stores to one year worth. Canning your own food is not as scary and complicated as it first seems.

    Buy a high quality pressure cooker to start with.Spend the extra paper on a higher capacity one (18quarts or more)Trust me,canning is a very time consuming venture and you will be glad you can fit those extra jars in it.It will come with directions(read them!).

    Follow them to the letter.Also,there are many good receipe books out there on canning.Second,figure out what size jars you want(jars are reusable,cans are not).I prefer pints for meat because you can feed more people and I don’t mind leftovers(not to mention the cheaper cost when you figure the volume of food they contain).Quarts are good for fruits and veggies.Half pints are good for those with smaller nutritional needs,but thats up to you.

    The next thing to consider is what kinds of foods to aquire.I process fish mostly,but also wild game,beef,chicken,vegetables,and fruit.I personally don’t do soups or sauces because you are canning mostly water.Buying the food that you preserve can get expensive,but look for deals on meats,and buy your fruits and veggies from farmers in season.If you go to a farmers market or butcher shop and ask what kind of deal they will give you for a large order you may be suprised at their willingness to bargain.(ideally,harvest yourself or barter)

    Lastly,the best way i’ve found to can your food, is to have a canning party with a group of like minded individuals.Instead of sitting in front of the tv on a day off bring your friends and a favorite beverage into the garage to get an assembly line going.I would recommend a small operation the first time to learn what materials,tools,and organization you will need for a larger batch.

    A propane camp stove seems to be the most economical and portable way for me to do this.The initial cost to round up materials can be high,but once you build up your supplies,the replacement lids and fuel to cook is very low cost.I consider this an investment because I save by not buying any preserved food from the grocery store.

    All in all,there is something very comforting opening a jar of food and knowing exactly where it came from.

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 1:10pm

    #4
    Doug

    Doug

    Status Platinum Member (Offline)

    Joined: Oct 01 2008

    Posts: 1358

    canneries

    Adam,

    Thanks, how timely.  Last Friday we had an initial meeting with a small group of “preppers” who, aside from my wife and myself, are all LDS.  One of the subjects that came up is an LDS cannery in Canandaigua, NY.  We will at some point be planning a trip there.  It is a 2-3 hour drive for us, so it would seem that making it a fairly large group project would be most efficient.  Do you have a sense how much the economy of scale would benefit a large group as opposed to going just for family?

    Doug

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 2:11pm

    #5

    JAG

    Status Silver Member (Offline)

    Joined: Oct 26 2008

    Posts: 240

    Great Write-Up

    Thanks Adam for the great post.

    I never looked into this option for food storage, because I took a slightly different approach to food storage. I try not to keep any food for the long term, instead whenever we run out of something in our kitchen pantry we replenish it from our bulk pantry. In this way, we learn how to cook with the foods that we store and we also learn what we tend to use and what we don’t use. We started with more than a years supply in the bulk pantry, but because of rising food prices we haven’t been restocking the bulk pantry in the last 6 months. I’m going to await the next market-induced deflationary episode to reload the pantry. In the meantime, I’m going to visit a local cannery and check it out.

    Of all the things I have learned on this site, I probably value my food storage the most. It totally changes the way you face the world.

    Thanks again, Jeff

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 4:24pm

    #6

    pinecarr

    Status Gold Member (Offline)

    Joined: Apr 13 2008

    Posts: 1085

    What an excellent article,

    What an excellent article, Adam!  Thank-you for the great information!!

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 4:48pm

    #7

    Adam Taggart

    Status Platinum Member (Offline)

    Joined: May 25 2009

    Posts: 2525

    Thanks everyone

    Glad to see this summary is proving to be of some use.

    Doug: the canneries don’t offer volume discounts (beyond their already rock-bottom prices) that I know of. But your group could all pitch in to rent one large U-Haul truck and reduce the per-family cost of transporting all the food back home.

    Also, as they say, many hands make light work – so the more people you bring, the faster the canning should go (hopefully they have more than one canning machine, so it doesn’t become the bottleneck). I’d recommend you all go to each others houses on the return trip to collectively unload and store what you buy. I sure wish I had had extra hands with that…

    JAG: I’ve long admired your system. The good news is I think the cannery solution can plug well into it. A number of the folks I met at the center were there buying the food for near-term use (within the year). They simply find it the most economical way to buy the food, plus they like how they get it in bulk form that can easily be put in pantry bins/buckets like the ones you use.

    My approach is to finish securing my 1-year stores, which I will place in “set-it-and-forget-it” storage for the next 30 years or until events  force me to break into it. I *then* plan to head back to the cannery to buy stores for the near term – after setting up an efficient bulk pantry like yours 🙂

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 5:38pm

    #8
    hubbywan

    hubbywan

    Status Member (Offline)

    Joined: Nov 23 2010

    Posts: 0

    Provident Living Website from the LDS Church

    http://www.providentliving.org This website has a wealth of I formation available to all on all the aspects of preparation as encouraged by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (No wonder they go by the nicknames “LDS” and “Mormon” Church.)

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 6:03pm

    #9

    Grover

    Status Gold Member (Offline)

    Joined: Feb 15 2011

    Posts: 691

    Getting stuff on the cheap

    Adam,

    Great post and extremely timely! I agree that the #10 cans are the best way for long term storage for a “get it and forget it” attitude. I purchased a year’s supply for 2 in 2004. It is still stacked on pallets in my basement to be used in case of emergency. Rodents have nibbled on the boxes, but the cans aren’t affected by the pests. I honestly hope I never have to use this physical insurance plan. I’ve augmented with wet pack canned vegetables that I store in my pantry. As items get used, I purchase more and move the new supplies to the back of the queue. I haven’t noticed degradation in quality even after 3 years in the queue. Don’t forget spices. You can dress up lots of boring dishes with a little pinch. You can get big containers at Costco or other warehouse stores much cheaper than the cutesy little spice containers.

    The biggest problem I’ve seen is with oils. Without oils, you’re left with boiling. Oils tend to turn rancid more rapidly. I have a few bulk (2 gallon sized) plastic jugs that I keep on hand. Just before the “best if used by” date comes, I donate these to the local food bank and replenish the stock. I’ve also purchased canned tuna in oil rather than spring water. The current dates on these are in the 2015-2016 range. They’re cheap, store easily, and will probably last much longer than the pull date. I don’t donate these.

    With garage sales starting to pop up everywhere, there is an opportunity to get some good equipment from people who want to empty the garage so they can fill it again with other stuff they’ve seen on TV. These are hit and miss, but generally are a good source to find used canning equipment – pressure cookers, glass jars, and sundry equipment. You can also get hand operated utensils and camping supplies at some of these. Pick up a dehydrator if you see one, especially if you can control the temperature. By the way, a small pressure cooker is an excellent way to partially or completely cook beans and rice with less energy! Don’t pass these up just because you’re looking for a monster 18 quart cooker. You can have both if you’ve got storage. You’ll still need to get a supply of new canning lids. Don’t reuse the old ones for canning! I’ve used them for storing dehydrated goods though. Get a supply of regular and wide mouth unless you only have one kind of jar. You can reuse the bands, even the rusty ones. Once the seal is set, you can remove the band if you need to.

    I haven’t tried this yet, but a friend was telling me about a cheap way to store beans and rice. He buys food grade (make sure they are food grade or use a food grade plastic liner!!!!) 5 gallon buckets with lids, then thoroughly cleans and dries these, and then puts a small piece of dry ice in the bottom before pouring the dried goods in. He then places the lid on and seals about three quarters of it so there is a small gap for air to escape, and waits for the dry ice to completely sublimate. Carbon dioxide is released and displaces the air in container. He then seals the container, writes contents and date on it with a Sharpie, and then stores it. Has anyone tried this method? I think it would work better on a hot, dry, calm day; otherwise, moisture will condense on the dry ice and subsequently affect longevity of the product. I’ve seen freezers in the bigger supermarkets where you can buy dry ice. You’ll need to bring a cooler and some good gloves. This stuff is COLD and will instantly freeze your bare skin.

    Grover

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 6:41pm

    #10
    VeganDB12

    VeganDB12

    Status Bronze Member (Offline)

    Joined: Jul 18 2008

    Posts: 109

    Oil Storage

    Adam

    This is a very timely and reassuring article.  I also felt the need to get back to the basics with everything going crazy.  Many thanks.  This is a terrific series.

    Regarding cooking oil storage:  I have been looking at shelf life of oil today on the web.  Crisco shortening seems to have a longer shelf life than most (two years per the manufacturer). In an emergency it will do but it is not the healthiest option. I freeze my olive oil until I use it which seems to extend the shelf life a bit as well.  However a gallon of oil takes up a lot of space in the freezer.  FWIW.

    Take care

    Denise

     

     

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 8:41pm

    #11
    patrickhenry

    patrickhenry

    Status Bronze Member (Offline)

    Joined: Mar 13 2009

    Posts: 29

    Is it ok for cans or buckets

    Is it ok for cans or buckets of wheat and/or oats to freeze ?  That is, stored in non climate controlled area with cold winters ?  thanks

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 11:04pm

    #12

    Montana Native

    Status Member (Offline)

    Joined: Mar 17 2009

    Posts: 42

    Storage methods and oils

    My wife and I completed a round of long term food storage recently. I skimmed a lot of information and decided to use the instructions prepared by site member Dogs in a Pile https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/successful-food-storage-day-9-familes-4-tons-5-hours-lessons-learned-recommendations/27519
    We didn’t know about the dry canning option for long term storage at the time, but having a periodically damp cellar I think the containers we chose were best for our situation.

    We did a dozen 5 gallon buckets including red / gold wheat, lentils, black / pinto beans, rice, oats and popcorn. Used the food grade buckets with a gamma seal lid and the light duty food grade mylar bags found on the Sorbent Systems website. We placed dessicant in the bottom of the mylar bag and deoxygenators on top of the food before sealing. The dry ice method may work to some degree, but I think it’s cosidered inferior to other methods by many. I actually used a vacuum to suck most of the air out of the mylar bag and instead of paying for a clamshell sealer, we just used the “cleaned” iron I wax my skis with. Really happy with the results. Also picked up a made in Montana Grainmaker hand crank mill. It’s a very nice product and the hand milled prarie gold wheat makes the best chocolate chip cookies ever, it can also grind that popcorn into cornmeal.

    As far as oil is concerned, its my understanding that extra virgin olive oil in a tin stored at a constant low temperature can last a long time, although quality may slowly degrade after a couple years. The other easy solution is Red Feather canned butter, I put cans of it in 5 gallon buckets sealed with dessicant inside. This item has no date on it and ive seen people say 10-15 years shelf life no problem. These guys also can cheese, although I haven’t picked any of that up yet. Coconut oil is said to be the best oil for storage, my wife grew up LDS and knew this. We only have a few cans because we haven’t used it much, but if you’ve ever had theatre popcorn you know what coconut oil tastes like.

    Our long term storage is accompanied with a rotating deep pantry and as of this year canning in glass jars from our new garden. We are also lucky up here in North Idaho, having regular bumper crops of huckleberries that we can into tasty syrups and jams.

    It feels good to have some food in long term storage, do it once and do it right.                       
                                                                                                                                                               TJ

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Mar 28, 2011 - 2:12am

    Reply to #9

    Jager06

    Status Bronze Member (Offline)

    Joined: Dec 03 2009

    Posts: 94

    5 Gallon Buckets

    Grover,I have used this method for a while now, but I would be remiss if I did not point out what may be an error in your friends bucket storage.
    I have always used NON-iodized salt in the bottom, approximately two inches of salt, then wrap an ounce +/- of dry ice in a piece of newspaper and drop it in, then fill the bucket with your product.
    If there is no salt then the product will produce moisture during temperature changes, which will lead to mold and other ill affects.
    Also, the LDS website and written storage material reccomends using the salt bottom, then product and then the dry ice on a piece of wax paper laid on top of your product. The CO2 drops into the bucket, displacing the oxygen, and then you gently remove the wax paper and seal the lid.
    I have used beans and rice stored for over 30 years in this manner, and aside from a little discoloration at the area where the dry ice was, there have been no problems.
    I am not an LDS member, but my teams make use of their facilties twice a month. We have secured a years supply of food for over 100 families now. I would reccomend to all of you doing this to consider others as you get to your goal of a years worth of food storage. Maybe buy a little more with the intent to barter, or enough to feed your sister in law and her kids as well for a year, or your parents, or any cobination or all of the above.
    My extended family thinks I am a nut job for having a years supply of food for THEM! I hope I won’t have to make them cut firewood in return for the emergency supplies…
    Please rmember…you need hygiene more than anything after you have food, water and shelter. Plan for it. Disease has killed more than any political system or individual war, so plan on winning the long haul by having soap and soap making abilities. Have back up plans for boiling water and disenfecting your clothing, dishes and home. Have a plan to deal with human waste if the sewer goes…hehe….down the toilet.
    Think about what you are doing as you go through your day and ask yourself “If the lights went out right now, how would I do this? Would I do it this way or would it become an uncessary trapping of post modern life?”
    Congrats on your storage Adam!
    Jager06

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Mar 28, 2011 - 3:00am

    #13

    Travlin

    Status Gold Member (Offline)

    Joined: Apr 15 2010

    Posts: 524

    Excellent write up Adam.  I

    Excellent write up Adam.  I have been considering various options for long term food and I find this one very appealing.  It is easy, quick, and very inexpensive.  It is a proven system so I would have no doubts that the food would be good when needed.  If I did it myself using other methods I would always wonder it I got a detail wrong and spoiled the food.  As mentioned above, having your food in cans is the only way to assure no rodents can get into it.  Plastic buckets are like butter to them.  Thanks for the timely information.

    Travlin 

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Mar 28, 2011 - 6:11am

    #14

    Grover

    Status Gold Member (Offline)

    Joined: Feb 15 2011

    Posts: 691

    Thanks for the advice

    Jager06,

    Thanks for the advice. I just went through the “9 families, 4 tons, 5 hours” posts and found lots of useful information and links there. I haven’t had too much time to search many of the postings throughout this site yet, but wanted to add my 2 cents for the community. I’ll tell my friend about the salt trick and suggest that he repack his beans and rice.

    By the way, I’m extremely impressed with the attitude and willingness to share information at CM.com. I’m glad I joined.

    Grover

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Mar 28, 2011 - 8:19pm

    #15
    Ameet

    Ameet

    Status Member (Offline)

    Joined: Mar 18 2011

    Posts: 4

    Cooking

    Hi all,

    I now have around 5 months food stored – mostly rice, lentils and beans – all uncooked.

    I live in London and so I reply on the gas mains for my cooker. Does everyone include gas as part of their food storage in case something happens to the gas mains?

    I’m getting a 19kg gas cyclinder this week which will last around 70 hours but obviously this is not enough for my 5 months food supply. I’ve spent the last 2 weeks increasing my resilience and so as you can imagine have been spending quite a bit. I don’t know if I can purchase 4 more gas cyclinders at this time. Is it a must?

    Take care

    Ameet

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Mar 28, 2011 - 8:59pm

    Reply to #15

    Dogs_In_A_Pile

    Status Platinum Member (Offline)

    Joined: Jan 04 2009

    Posts: 810

    Supplement to gas cooker....

    [quote=ameet1983]Hi all,
    I now have around 5 months food stored – mostly rice, lentils and beans – all uncooked.
    I live in London and so I reply on the gas mains for my cooker. Does everyone include gas as part of their food storage in case something happens to the gas mains?
    I’m getting a 19kg gas cyclinder this week which will last around 70 hours but obviously this is not enough for my 5 months food supply. I’ve spent the last 2 weeks increasing my resilience and so as you can imagine have been spending quite a bit. I don’t know if I can purchase 4 more gas cyclinders at this time. Is it a must?
    Take care
    Ameet
    [/quote]
    Ameet –
    Consider picking up a two burner camp stove to supplement your cooking preps.  Any outdoors outfitter or sporting goods store should have them.  They are relatively inexpensive, can be set up and used just about anywhere and the gas bottles are very inexpensive – for now.  I use less than half a bottle on a weekend camping trip with 5 cooked meals.
    You will also need a good water filter system.  There are any number of backpacking models available that are very effective.  You can also find larger capacity filters but they will cost more.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Mar 28, 2011 - 9:50pm

    Reply to #15
    James Knight

    James Knight

    Status Bronze Member (Offline)

    Joined: Feb 21 2009

    Posts: 63

    Connecting gas bottle to mains cooker?

    Ameet,Are you intending to connect your mains gas cooker to a bottle? You must not do this. This is against the law in the UK and dangerous, as they are different types of gas. (Mains gas is methane, and bottle gas is propane/ butane.) As Dogs in a Pile suggested, you should get yourself a suitable camping stove if you are concerned about gas cuts.
    Alternatively if you have the room, buy a full size bottle gas stove from a Calor stockist.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Mar 28, 2011 - 10:05pm

    #16
    Denny Johnson

    Denny Johnson

    Status Bronze Member (Offline)

    Joined: Aug 14 2008

    Posts: 119

    ameet......you might

    ameet……you might consider a pressure cooker to reduce your cooking times and related fuel consumption.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Mar 28, 2011 - 10:17pm

    Reply to #10
    earthwise

    earthwise

    Status Silver Member (Offline)

    Joined: Aug 10 2009

    Posts: 277

    Cooking oil storage: Coconut oil

    [quote=VeganD]Adam
    This is a very timely and reassuring article.  I also felt the need to get back to the basics with everything going crazy.  Many thanks.  This is a terrific series.
    Regarding cooking oil storage:  I have been looking at shelf life of oil today on the web.  Crisco shortening seems to have a longer shelf life than most (two years per the manufacturer). In an emergency it will do but it is not the healthiest option. I freeze my olive oil until I use it which seems to extend the shelf life a bit as well.  However a gallon of oil takes up a lot of space in the freezer.  FWIW.
    Take care
    Denise
     
     
     
    [/quote]
    VeganD,
    Coconut oil has the longest shelf life: five years if stored in unopened container and in a cool and dark place. Dark because light shortens shelf life. Here are some links on the subject that you might find useful:

    http://www.providentideas.com/why-coconut-oil-is-best-for-food-storage/
     
    After a bunch of research, ou team found out that coconut had by far the best shelf life of any other cooking oil out there. Depending on the moisture content of the oil, shelf life is usually somewhere around 3-5 years. We also found out, however, that there are several types and quality of coconut oil.

    http://www.fromnaturewithlove.com/library/storagevegetableoils.asp
    Vegetable oils differ in the type of fats they contain and the rate in which they oxidize and deteriorate. Oils that are highly saturated like coconut oil (nearly 85% saturated fat) have a stable shelf life. Oils that are rich in essential fatty acids and other polyunsaturated fats are the most nourishing for our skin, but are also the most fragile of the oils. Their shelf life is generally shorter than oils that contain saturated and monounsaturated fats.

     

    http://www.survivalblog.com/2007/08/three_letters_re_providing_cru_1.html
     
    One oil that I think is very good for us and has exceptional storage life is coconut oil. That is, organic, extra-virgin coconut oil. There is quite a bit of info out there on it, the two best sites that I have found are, http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com, and http://www.tropicaltraditions.com.In our research, coconut oil is better for your health than even olive oil. We have been using it exclusively for about nine months. God Bless, – Bob P.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Mar 29, 2011 - 6:45am

    #17
    Ameet

    Ameet

    Status Member (Offline)

    Joined: Mar 18 2011

    Posts: 4

    Perfect balance?

    Thanks for your comments guys.

    I forgot to say I had already bought a 2 burner camping stove and a regulator. With the 19kg gas cylinder it works out at about 70 hours – around 35 days worth.

    I think the thing I’m thinking about most right now is priorities for the next few months assuming there is no disaster. I now have 5 months of uncooked food, 30-50 days (depending on if family come to stay with us) of water with a 2 candle filter and 35 days worth of gas.

    Should I focus on increasing the water storage to 8 months, and then food to 8 months, and then gas to 8 months – or make sure they are all equal and move forward, so 6 months of all 3, then 7 months of all 3 etc.

    Gas is expensive!!!! And buying 4 more cyclinders to match my food supply is gonna hurt. I’m just wondering if you guys have matching food and gas supplies.

    Take care

    Ameet

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Tue, Mar 29, 2011 - 7:08pm

    #18

    Mary Aceves

    Status Silver Member (Offline)

    Joined: Aug 23 2010

    Posts: 132

    about keeping oils

    In the cottage soapmaking business people buy exotic oils and then worry about how to keep them from going rancid. or oxidizing.  There are three solutions that I know of:

    Add vitamin E to the oil: it will slow the process.

    Make sure there is very little air in the bottle and very little contact area between the oil and the air.  For example: use a narrow neck bottle and fill it up to the top. Do not lay the bottle on its side.  Do not shake it!!  This is an ancient solution and goes back even before the noble Romans.

    Freeze or refridgerate it.  That’s what the soapmakers do with the expensive oils or exotic butters that they can’t use right away.  It might not be practical for extended storage, but its good to keep in mind that a cold temperature  will retard the reaction.

    Don’t fill a glass bottle to the top and then freeze it;  just do that with plastic containers…….Cold oils will sometimes solidify right there in the refridgerator,

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Mar 31, 2011 - 3:44am

    #19
    VeganDB12

    VeganDB12

    Status Bronze Member (Offline)

    Joined: Jul 18 2008

    Posts: 109

    Thank you all for the oil

    Thank you all for the oil tips.  Sorry for my incorrect info-I will be getting coconut oil this week for storage.  I have eco fuel for cooking on a small camping stove but it does not generate much heat. However, it is safer for me to store in a multi-unit setting than coleman fuel or canned gas.  Also have a pressure cooker to reduce cooking times for the dried lentils as previously suggested. Now I just have to practice using the pressure cooker and the camping stove.

    Regards

    Denise

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Mar 31, 2011 - 12:27pm

    #20

    tx_floods

    Status Member (Offline)

    Joined: Mar 01 2009

    Posts: 12

    Great Article!

    Thanks for the great article. I have long known that the Mormons were the premier experts on food storage, but I assumed one had to be a member of their church to utilize their knowledge and facilities. 

    Last night, we visited ourlocal cannery. The people were extremely helpful and friendly, and the prices looked like a very good deal. We are definitely going to schedule a day with them to add to our food preps. 

    Again, great article, and thanks for the tip. I’ll report back after we get some canning done.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Apr 02, 2011 - 7:48pm

    #21
    catherder

    catherder

    Status Member (Offline)

    Joined: Nov 17 2010

    Posts: 12

    Results of 1999 storage in Northeast

    Great article. I’ve made an appt at the local LDS facility, which accepts everyone. However, I want to point out that providentliving.org seems to suggest there is only ONE cannery in New England, and certainly not everyone is going to be able to get there due to schedules, time constraints, etc. After going to Chris’ Rowe seminar I got motivated to start an inventory of what I already have on hand, including lots of stuff from my 1999 storage spree. I have several buckets of things like wheat, rice, whole corn, etc. I stored it, in the barn, in used 5-gallon pickle buckets, with the sole addition of diatomaceous earth to the wheat. I was amazed to find that all of this stuff still looked exactly the same as it did in 1999. It may not have quite the nutritional value it did then, but it is all edible in a pinch. I’m only mentioning this to encourage those who can’t get to an LDS cannery to DO WHAT YOU CAN with available materials. Food grade buckets can be scrounged for next to nothing (hint: icing and pickles come in them), and lots of bulk foods are available through your local food coop (the monthly delivery kind, usually free to join). It is not the Rolls Royce of food storage, but it is useful and better than having nothing. For those who are financially strapped and/or have no time to join food coops, get some used buckets and fill them up with bulk grains from a feed store, after making sure that they have no additives.  Diatomaceous earth is available from most garden supply stores – it is ground up limestone and acts as an insect deterrent, while being harmless to mammals. Don’t let the distance to an LDS cannery, or the lack of companions in this effort, deter you. Start small.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Apr 02, 2011 - 8:49pm

    #22
    dingalls

    dingalls

    Status Member (Offline)

    Joined: Aug 21 2009

    Posts: 25

    changing protocol

    So I have been working with a group recently on doing our long term food storage “event” and we recently switched strategies to going with the #10 cans from the mylar bag/bucket system.  The LDS cannery loans (or I should say “loaned” but more on that in a minute) the sealer for the cans for free and you can purchase the material (including oxygen absorber) directly from them, at a very good price.  It came to $7.79 or so for each case of six #10 cans-including the box (which was determined to be a rough equivalent to the amount stored in a 5gal bucket-and the best price on a bucket/lid set was $13 each not including mylar/dessicant/oxygen absorber).  We have some members of our group who feel very particular about the source of the food being stored (including food produced by ourselves…) which is why we did not just go ahead to the cannery and use their supplies and food.

    On the day we were ready to schedule our pickup date for the canner and equipment, I was informed by the manager of the department that they are not allowed to loan out the #10 can sealers to non-members of the church any longer.  They have had some problems with not getting them back or getting them back broken or something.  BUMMER For us!  In any case, this is a very recent thing and I dont know that all the canneries have implemented the change or not.    They told me that anyone who was not on their list already could not do it.  We just did not get on the list in time, darn it.  He even suggested I could try other canneries nearby.  I did call one and it appeared I could get on their list without a problem except that the first available date was the middle of August!!!  I only mention it because they also told me that some of their local branches “stakes” do have a canning sealer as well and that there may be folks who would be willing to “host” you at the local branches.  Seems like an extra bit of work, but the cost savings is substantial with the #10 cans and we decided that they were a bit more of a manageable dimention to work with as well.

    My recent expereince…

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Apr 02, 2011 - 8:56pm

    #23
    dingalls

    dingalls

    Status Member (Offline)

    Joined: Aug 21 2009

    Posts: 25

    clarification

    One thing I forgot to mention was that this change only applies to folks wanting to borrow the canning sealer.  They assured me again and again that I would be more than welcome to come to their facility and can using their food (you cannot bring in food from the outside to be canned due to FDA regulations or something).   i did not want to creat confusion, anyone and everyone can go to the LDS cannery nearest you to can your own food stores.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, Apr 04, 2011 - 5:10am

    Reply to #23

    taxed2death

    Status Member (Offline)

    Joined: Jan 24 2010

    Posts: 0

    a couple things no one seems

    a couple things no one seems to be addressing is the fact that not everyone can afford,nor does it make sense to just store food until its bad,throw it away,and store more.my suggestion is to start by putting away more than you need the first year,then use the oldest food first next time and get into an annual cycle of renewal.although I definately keep dry food,cooking food in the canning process will be much cheaper now than when electricity,gas,diesel or other fuels is at a premium.keep in mind that you can eat a cold can of veggies or meat,but not a bag of dry beans.

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Apr 30, 2011 - 10:31am

    #24
    SPAM_Storage Ideas

    SPAM_Storage Ideas

    Status Member (Offline)

    Joined: Apr 30 2011

    Posts: 0

    Garage storage organizers

    Well this is very interesting indeed. Would love to read a little more of this. Great post. Thanks for the heads-up.

     

    Thanks,

    Garage storage organizers

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Sat, Apr 30, 2011 - 10:35am

    #25
    SPAM_Storage Ideas

    SPAM_Storage Ideas

    Status Member (Offline)

    Joined: Apr 30 2011

    Posts: 0

    Wood garage cabinets

    Very well explained tutorial! Thanks for sharing it.

     

    Wood garage cabinets

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Mon, May 30, 2011 - 11:33pm

    #26

    Travlin

    Status Gold Member (Offline)

    Joined: Apr 15 2010

    Posts: 524

    See my new thread

    Adam inspiried me and I wrote a detailed report on my purchases from the LDS cannery.  It was all good.

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/good-experience-buying-lds-mormon-food/58553

    Travlin 

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Thu, Sep 22, 2011 - 6:03pm

    #27
    SPAM_jimwang

    SPAM_jimwang

    Status Member (Offline)

    Joined: Sep 22 2011

    Posts: 0

    Great Article

    This is a fantastic article.  I hope that people will read it and understand some of the importance of having an emergency food supply.  The food supply of this world is in a very delicate place, and we all need to get ready.  I found a simple way to get started, and I spend about $150 per month and buy one bucket of food at a time.  Within 6 months, you can have several months worth of food storage.  Get moving everyone!!!

    Food Storage Emergency Food

    http://preparewise.com

    http://wisefoodinsurance.com

     

    Login or Register to post comments

  • Wed, Oct 19, 2011 - 4:29pm

    #28
    SPAM_David Rogers

    SPAM_David Rogers

    Status Member (Offline)

    Joined: Oct 19 2011

    Posts: 0

    Normal0 false false fals

    This is interesting…

    Heroin Addiction Recovery

    “If you or a loved one is addicted to heroin, don’t face it alone. There are many addiction recovery facilities that can help. Contact your physician, a local counseling service, or a local 12 step support group for recommendations. Treatment of heroin can be difficult, but many wonderful people have found success with addiction recovery programs and are able to live a full and complete life without heroin..…”

    Go to  <a href=”http://www.valleyhope.org/addiction-recovery/heroin-addiction-recovery.aspx”>Heroin Addiction Recovery</a>   OR   goo.gl/T3oEB  to read more…

    Login or Register to post comments

Login or Register to post comments