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    Firearms Training: Oct 18-21, 2019

    Learn & improve safety/skills while bonding with other PPers
    by Adam Taggart

    Tuesday, August 20, 2019, 1:43 PM

Last year, roughly 25 Peak Prosperity readers gathered in the Nevada desert for an an intensive 4-day handgun safety and training course.

We learned a ton. Mostly, how poorly prepared we were to use a handgun before taking the course.

And we had a ton of fun, too, as the photos below show.

The experience was so useful and enjoyable that we’re doing it again this year. And we’ve just finalized the dates: October 18-21, 2019.

Like last year, the excursion is being produced for us by Firearms Training Advocates. FTA’s mission is to increase firearms safety through professional training.

Given record recent gun sales in the US, FTA believes it’s critically important to their own safety and the safety of others, that firearms owners receive professional training. In support of this goal, FTA offers access to world-class firearms training courses in Nevada, outside Las Vegas.

Like last year, there’s a defensive handgun training course. But this year, there’s an added tactical shotgun option. You can pick either.

Specifically, here’s what FTA has put together for us:

  • Dates: Oct 18- Oct 21, 2019
  • Location: Pahrump, NV
  • Program:
    • 4-day Defensive Handgun (details here — many attendees from last year are thinking of taking this again)
    • 4-day Tactical Shotgun (details here)
  • Program Costs:
    • Program fee:
      • FREE to PP members attending for the first time (a $2,000 value)
      • Returning participants can still receive the same heavily-discounted Front Sight lifetime membership deal ($thousands in savings)
    • Firearm rental = FREE to PP members. You can bring your own gun(s), if you wish.
    • Ammunition = you can purchase bullets/shells from FTA at a discount and they will be waiting at the range for you (pricing TBA)
    • Background check fee: ~$50 (this is mandatory)
  • Travel, Meals and Lodging: You’ll need to pick these up. FTA is arranging a hotel (likely one in Las Vegas) where we can get a group discount.

We’ll all be participating in the same Peak Prosperity group for this long weekend — we’ll head out to ranges together, eat meals together, and stay at the same hotel.

For first-timers, you’re pretty much getting the firearms training experience for free. You’ll just need to get yourself there, and pay for your background check and ammunition, meals and lodging.

And to dispel a myth: this outing isn’t just for men! Not only did we have a number of women participate last year, but one of our returners is bringing a women’s group with her this time. Also, several folks brought their teenage children last year — kids over 11 are more than welcome.

So if this interests you (or your family!), submit your contact information below to have FTA send you more details on the outing and answer any questions you may have:

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To give you a sense of what to expect, here are some photos and feedback from last year’s trip:

Just wanted to again say thanks to Adam and Peak Prosperity for arranging the Front Sight event. I am so much more comfortable and confident handling a pistol now, and truly enjoyed meeting and being with other members from Peak Prosperity. The conversations with Chris in the van going back and forth to Front Sight were the best part! ~ Brad

The instructors here are fantastic.  They exude professionalism at every step of the training.  Their process is mentoring as much as instructing.  Safety is stressed in everything they do.  All their rules are illustrated with anecdotes about what has happened (elsewhere) when someone ignored one of the rules.

We’ve learned about basic safety, proper technique, clearing malfunctions and lots more.  We’ve also had presentations on the legal, moral and ethical aspects of gun use.  They’re mandatory for anyone who wants to go on to a concealed carry license. ~ Rich

Wow…what an experience….I am worn out.  Just now on the plane and able to get on the internet for the first time since this started.  Sand Puppy you were a great partner and showed great improvement throughout the course.  Dave you obviously remember this course pretty well…they definitely went through the malfunction drills enough that I now believe that most homeowners who rarely use a firearm would be better served with a revolver than the automatics we were using (but is nice to be able to fire 17 shots at one time).   Looking forward to the next experiential get together.  Thanks for organizing this event, it was an excellent value and very glad I came. ~ Tom

What a great group of people.  This was my first time hanging out with Peak Prosperity folks and I was truly impressed with the caliber of folks that showed up.  What a caring, heartful community that you have created a container for Adam and Chris!   The training was also high quality and I went from having little experience to now feeling that I have a skill level better than most.  ~ Rob

 

We hope to see you in Nevada in October!

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  • Tue, Aug 20, 2019 - 1:58pm

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    robshepler

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    Interested!

    Is there a link to submit contact info that I missed?

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  • Tue, Aug 20, 2019 - 2:03pm

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    It just showed up, thanks.

    Thanks Adam.

     

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  • Tue, Aug 20, 2019 - 5:05pm

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    Best Western in Pahrump Nevada

    Is another great place to stay.  Cheaper and closer to the Front Sight Grounds for reduced commute time.  Several of us stayed there last year.  Breakfast and dinners at the hotel restaurant.  Got lunches at grocery store each day and carried them in a cooler.  Shared a rental car.

    The red dot is Front Sight.

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  • Wed, Aug 21, 2019 - 5:12am

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    AaronMcKeon

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    Very Interested but Unsure if Signup is Working

    I’m very interested in this event, although I’m not receiving the confirmation e-mail.  Is it supposed to come right away or is there usually a lag?

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  • Wed, Aug 21, 2019 - 8:11am

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    climber99

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    No need.

    It is illegal to own any type of firearms.

    Your sincerely,
    Mr smug but safe
    UK

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  • Wed, Aug 21, 2019 - 3:51pm

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    climber9 – in canada we have almost if not as much gun ownership per capita as the us but far less gun violence.

    Most of the guns used in crime are already illegal.

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  • Wed, Aug 21, 2019 - 4:40pm

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    But the gun laws have nothing to do with it

    ” … There’s this common meme spread to mislead people that the U.S. is so much worse than Canada in murders, so I wanted to show it in pictures (to help people understand).

    Here’s a simple plot of the murder rates over time in Canada. What you see is that despite enacting gun control and registries in the 1950, 60’s and 70’s, gun murders continued to increase. In the 80’s and 90’s they came down a bit (but never to pre-Gun Control levels), and only by about the same that the U.S. did, during the same time. So regardless of whether Canada has fewer murders than the US for cultural reasons, we know that gun control didn’t help Canada’s gun murder rate (let alone the broader murder rate)...”  http://igeek.com/w/File:CanadaGuns.jpg

    same for UK

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  • Wed, Aug 21, 2019 - 4:48pm

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    I wouldnt be that smug

    The UK does not report murder in the same way as the USA occording to a few sources I read, including this one,  https://rboatright.blogspot.com/2013/03/comparing-england-or-uk-murder-rates.html  But this is not the only one.  SOme data does not include northern Ireland which is part of the UK….

     

    SO, I guess UK data counts Convictions for murder, whearas we count all murder, wether we ever know who did it, let alone a trail or conviction.

    “… I make that 1154 violent deaths of interest to the police which would in the US be reported as murders, and that doesn’t include every death that might be a murder since the “cause of death” of a murder or manslaughter victim might well be an infection or other medical complication resulting from an injury during a crime or assault. That death would be classed as murder in the US but I can’t pull it out from the causes of death numbers. Never the less at a minimum this gives us about double the number of “Murders” in England as was reported in the Home Office crime stats.  …”

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  • Thu, Aug 22, 2019 - 4:03am

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    sign-up form working?

    It doesn’t appear the sign-up form is working since I completed it on August 20 and have not received any confirmation.

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  • Thu, Aug 22, 2019 - 5:15am

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    AaronMcKeon

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    Sign-Up Form

    I never received the confirmation e-mail either but I ended up ringing the range directly and was able to get my free voucher as well as background check covered for only $1.  I have not actually scheduled anything because I’m assuming we’ll eventually hear back from whomever is managing the PP signup list.  They said you could either wait for the group or call in and book it yourself.  I was waiting until I heard some kind of update from Adam.

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  • Thu, Aug 22, 2019 - 12:53pm

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    Confirmation email

    Hi all —

    Everyone who has filled out the form so far should have received a confirmation email today.

    Short story: your submitted info has been received and FTA will be contacting you with all the details very soon (by Monday at the very latest)

    The reason for the delay is that FTA is busy locking in the logistics as I type. We’re seeing strong interest from folks so far, and they want to make certain everyone is well taken care of.

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  • Thu, Aug 22, 2019 - 3:34pm

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    Even our police don't carry guns, no need.

    Even our police don’t carry guns.  That is how safe we are from gun crime in the UK.

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  • Thu, Aug 22, 2019 - 4:14pm

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    Training is always good

    I used to be a Combat Markmenship Coach in the Marine Corps, and let me tell you firearm training is something you have to keep up on. You would be surprised on how much your skills deteriorate if you only train once a year .  Always good to go to the range atleast once a month or every couple.

    Clean and take care of your firearm as best you can. Learn how to take it apart and put it back together again efficiently. Dealing with stoppages, and jams should be second nature. You should automatically react when you encounter a jam.

    Well that’s my 2 cents…

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  • Thu, Aug 22, 2019 - 4:18pm

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    Wish I could

    I have been wanting to go to these, but I will just be arriving back in town and cannot leave everything back to back like that.  Maybe next time, or I guess I could just head out to frontiste on my own sometime, though it wont be as much fun.  I havent gone because of not realy wanting to go on my own

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  • Thu, Aug 22, 2019 - 6:40pm

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    Using Statistics

    Though not related to the combat handgun class being offered at Front Sight, this comment is more on the arguments for and against training with a firearm.

    As everyone knows, statistics can be massaged, selected and de-selected to prove a point.  Be especially careful of:

    1.  “Homicides” versus “gun homicides.”

    An example of the discrepancy:  In the last 3 decades, Russia has had huge homicide rates but very low gun homicide rates as gun ownership was low.  Most homicides were gang related where multiple attackers would beat a victim to death with a blunt weapon or strangle the victim.  The issue of concern is homicide, not “gun homicide.”

    2.  “Gun violence” is a meaningless term and statistics on “gun violence” are meaningless.  This term is used to muddy the waters.   Compare 3 situations:

    a.  A single young woman walking to her car in a parking lot is accosted by a gang of 3 sociopaths out on the prowl late one night.  They throw her on the ground and rape and beat her with a stick.  They laugh at her pain, crying and pleas as they beat her.  This is good right?  No “gun violence” was involved.  The woman obeyed all of the laws.  Yet the incident destroys her psyche, her marriage, her home and the lives of her husband and children.

    b.  In the second variation, as she is being surrounded she draws an illegal  handgun from her purse and the gang backs off.  She is not raped nor beaten. She does not fire her weapon.  No “gun violence” happens.  But the woman is guilty of the felonies of “possession of an illegal weapon” and “brandishing a firearm.”  Should the officer who comes to the scene arrest her and take this admitted criminal to jail?  Will she lose her professional license after being convicted of these felonies?

    c.   In the third variation, the woman draws a gun and shoots two attackers while the third runs away.  She is not beaten nor raped.   This is the horrible variation as “gun violence” has occurred, right?  We shake our heads and bemoan how firearms and “gun violence” are so bad.

    3.  Cross-sectional statistics on “homicides versus gun ownership” rates in a country are flawed and hard to interpret.

    Example:  A population of 100,000 people may have 10 homicides and own 8000 firearms.  But the firearms are not evenly distributed in the population–some of the people own 10-15 guns.  A better question would be what percentage of the population has ready access to at least one firearm.  But this more useful figure is tough to determine.

    4.   As mtnhousepermi pointed out above, cross sectional population statistics comparing “homicides” are difficult as some countries do not count unsolved and un-prosecuted murders in the category of “homicides.”  Accidental deaths and suicides are not separated out cleanly either.

    If a person feels very safe without a weapon that is wonderful.  I’m actually in that category as Charlottesville, Virginia is unbelievably safe.  This is the best of all worlds.

    But should the world change…..

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  • Fri, Aug 23, 2019 - 6:19am

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    If criminals and sociopaths think that the general puplic or police carry guns then they will too and everyone is far less safe as a result.

    I certainly didn’t feel safe in the US when I was there.  Any argument or altercation in the street or while driving could result in someone pulling out a gun.  Any minor traffic violation or contact with the police, it was always one hand near their gun for them and “keep your hands on the steering wheels, please sir” for me.  Scary stuff but good luck to you if that’s how you want to organise your society in the US.  Go for it.

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  • Fri, Aug 23, 2019 - 7:07am

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    Climber99

    I can’t for the life of me imagine why you find it necessary to insert your smug British superiority multiple times into a thread about a subject in which you have no interest. You seem to believe it’s more dangerous in the US than in the UK (so I assume you’re not in high crime London) but still you indicate that firearms training is part of the problem here. You don’t allow any room for firearm training and ownership as a reasonable response to a high violent crime rate, or for any other legitimate reasons of which there are several.

    I’d suggest you just chuckle to yourself about those gun crazy Americans rather than repeatedly injecting your negativity into this thread. Besides, I seem to remember that your 1937 Firearms Act was added to the pile of UK gun control laws just in time to leave your population ridiculously disarmed and unable to protect yourselves from a possible German invasion a few short years later. I also remember the American Committee for the Defense of British Homes begged American civilians to donate their privately owned weapons to give to the civilian Home Guard to protect their homes and towns if Germans secretly infiltrated small raiding parties into the British countryside! When that wasn’t enough to save you I remember we had to send gun crazy American soldiers to the UK and Europe to save you from the Germans. A little deference on your part might be appropriate. Who knows: you might need our help again if your increasingly tyrannical government decides you subjects don’t need any civil rights at all anymore.

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  • Fri, Aug 23, 2019 - 11:30am

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    Last year was a blast (literally) - Already Front Sight Diamond Members how do we join the gang?

    Last year was a great time and I plan on attending this year with my wife.  We both became Front Sight Diamond Members late last year and we will sign up for the course that weekend (probably shotgun) but am wondering how we can be on the same range as the PP folks who are doing it through FTA.  Rob

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  • Fri, Aug 23, 2019 - 4:36pm

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    Fabulous

    I take it that you won’t be attending?  Please spare us the condescension and move on whilst we discuss our fetishistic, admittedly embarrassing, sick, twisted, psychosexual obsession with firearms.

    Rector

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  • Fri, Aug 23, 2019 - 7:15pm

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    Climber99?

    you, and your countrymen, are the perfect example of humanity. While I was wasting in my imperfections today, I took possession of two class 3 firearms and honed my quick draw to .6 seconds…..not worth the trouble of typing anymore…..

    I will try to make you feel safe if ever you are around me.

     

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  • Fri, Aug 23, 2019 - 8:07pm

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    Chris Martenson

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    Robie?

    0.6 seconds?  You will have to train me.

    I am stuck at around 0.9 seconds.  But that’s with a hit to the A zone from 5 yards guaranteed.  I can go quite a bit faster if aiming is taken off the table.

    But that’s okay.  Just 3 months ago I was at 1.4 seconds.

    I practice this, along with reloading, and malfunction clears, every time I go to the range.

    I am happy to report that I am making progress.

    But seriously, how do you go about shaving tenths from the draw once you feel you are close to your max speed?

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  • Sat, Aug 24, 2019 - 3:33am

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    robie robinson

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    Body

    positioning, don’t aim, fire from draw, muscle memory. Not as hard as you think.

    Practice for speed, fast and faster. You miss rate will be high. If you watch, your misses will produce a pattern on the target, adjust your body position and move your misses into the A zone. I will admit I look pretty stupid but…

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  • Sat, Aug 24, 2019 - 4:27am

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    Fun

    Ya’ll,

    I too practice my draw (for fun mostly) but recently I was shown that my other skills were suffering from lack of practice.  First up was shooting in the darkness with a flashlight – it’s hard to do well.  Next was shooting from behind cover – this makes perfect sense if you think about it – but I never really practiced it.  Finally, I have moved onto off hand shooting – anticipating an injury to my dominant hand.  Each of these scenarios are at least as likely to be encountered in any shooting situation, but despite intuitively knowing this, I had not been practicing them with regularity.  Now that I have added this to my training regimen, I feel much more confident in my ability to manage a firearm under the conditions of darkness, return fire, and injury. Plus, it breaks up the monotony.

    I have a small box of nice but useless EDC flashlights – this one is the hands down winner:

    https://haleystrategic.com/d3ft-combat-light

    Time is short.

    Rector

     

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  • Sat, Aug 24, 2019 - 5:42am

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    I'm very excited for Front Sight

    First, last year was an absolute highlight for me.  Great instruction at awesome facilities.  Better participants and amazing connections and conversations.

    Second, I am tons better than last year.  Evie too.  We are at the range at least 2x per week pushing and stretching ourselves.

    There are tons of drills that really push the boundaries of accuracy, skill and speed.

    A great warm-up that Evie and I both love/hate is Dot Torture.  50 shots, and 100% have to be in the circle or breaking the line before you can move back one more yard and try it all out at a farther distance.

    It makes you shoot strong hand only, weak hand only, after drawing and after reloading.

    I shoot a double action/single action pistol (sig p226 legion) so all of my shots or shot pairs begin with a double action pull (that’s how the drill is designed).

    I’ve cleared it at 3 yds, 4 yds and 5 yds, but have gotten a frustrating series of 46, 47 and 48’s at 6 yards.

    Here’s an example of one I shot at a semi-fast speed, trying to combine both speed and accuracy.

    #8 is my nemesis at 6 yards.    3 pairs DA/SA weak hand only.  Grrrr….

    After that we might do a 5×5 drill.  Or Bill Drills.  Or Double taps for speed.  Or fast draws with a 1x reload, both tactical and slide lock.  We use a timer religiously and take notes and gather data.

    Then we’ll set up a course involving cover, barriers, various distance targets from close to uncomfortably far, hostages/friendlies, half (or more) covered targets, running between locations, and decision making (“does it makes sense to reload here, or there…should I shoot the targets in this order, or that?”)

    What we’re doing is getting the mechanical fundamentals worked into better and better shape, and then combining them with speed, mental tasks, and stress.

    The better we get, the more subtle and zen like it all becomes.  My very best rounds are thought free.  My worst suffer from either failing to get into my ‘zone’ before I start or thinking half way through “I’m doing really great, I think I can speed this up a bit!”

    In other words, it’s a lot like golf or rock climbing for me.

    It’s also a very important diversion in my life that is otherwise fully dedicated to having my brain reading, writing and otherwise chewing on stuff all day long.

    I can’t wait to get back to Front Sight, see everyone, and have the excellent instructors start me right back at square one, break it all down, and build it back up carefully.  I’m sure I will find a few vital but subtle tweeks in there for me.

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  • Sat, Aug 24, 2019 - 6:35am

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    Cool game

    your groups are right of center. Where are your feet and where are you looking?

    beside obviously lookin’ good!

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  • Sat, Aug 24, 2019 - 7:02am

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    Re: Cool game

    your groups are right of center.

    Let’s see here…6/18/19…check my notes.  Ah!

    This was in my first week of shifting from 30 years of one eye closed, iron sights, to using my new red dot slide with two eyes open.

    Probably 1.5 eyes open at this early stage given my long habituation.

    Also, I learned, those sights require checking (and rezeroing) now and then.  Optical sights being that way and all.

    Can’t say for sure if this grouping was shot with a dot that needed and got zeroing.  My notes aren’t that extensive.  But I would guess this was before I really understood any of that.

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  • Sat, Aug 24, 2019 - 8:01am

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    Do we sign up directly with the company?

    Is there a link for this particular group? I am a first timer and interested

     

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  • Sat, Aug 24, 2019 - 10:18am

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    Signing Up

    If you are a first-timer, you sign-up with FTA -Firearms Training Advocates. There is a form about mid-way down the page that you fill out.

    Rob

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  • Mon, Aug 26, 2019 - 12:02pm

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    Appropriate?

    Would this be appropriate for a total novice? Interest is because it seems appropriate in a country with so many guns and the inclination to use them that one ought to at least know how to handle one, even if there no intention to own and whatever ones policy position.

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  • Mon, Aug 26, 2019 - 12:04pm

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    Jammed Gun Rule

    Look down the barrel to see if there’s a bullet blocking the chamber. 😬

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  • Mon, Aug 26, 2019 - 12:23pm

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    Absolutely

    Newsbuoy wrote:

    Would this be appropriate for a total novice?

    Absolutely. Most of us who went last year were novices. Personally, I had probably only shot a handgun once or twice before arriving in Nevada.

    And even though I took the course last year, I probably need to take it again. So much of shooting safely is developing the correct muscle memory, and I haven’t been training enough.

     

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  • Tue, Aug 27, 2019 - 4:46am

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    Signing up with PP discount?

    How do I sign up on the Firearms Training Institute such that I get the $2k discount being a PP member and first timer?

    Thanks!

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  • Tue, Aug 27, 2019 - 5:37am

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    PP members and family already Front Sight Members

    I am VERY happy to have my wife agree to come to the basic handgun class with PP this year.

    We are both Front Sight members and will stay in Pahrump at the Best Western Hotel, but we would like to be on the same range as the PP members.  (It looks like others, including Bleep and his wife, are in the same situation and thc0655 is bringing friends, too.)

    Adam, can you help make this happen?

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  • Tue, Aug 27, 2019 - 7:39am

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    Dryam

    Dryam –

    Fill out the form on this page and FTA will be in touch. As a first-timer, you’ll get the discount.

    cheers,

    A

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  • Tue, Aug 27, 2019 - 7:41am

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    Adam Taggart

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    Contact FTA

    Sandpuppy/thc0655/Bleep & others who already own a Front Sight membership –

    Contact FTA by emailing them at [email protected] and they’ll work to get you on the same range(s) as the PP group.

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  • Tue, Aug 27, 2019 - 3:53pm

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    Silverton and Front Sight

    Thanks Adam,  I have already contacted FTA.   I also asked about riding in the van pool like last year.

    Sand Puppy – glad your wife is coming too!

    By the way, for folks staying at the Silverton, as I remember, last year they sold out for some of the days we were there, so attendees may want to book reservations a ways out.  I just booked them today.   Rob

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  • Tue, Aug 27, 2019 - 6:10pm

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    Looking for a Best Western roommate

    I’m going to take the shotgun class, but I’m looking for someone to share a room at the Best Western in Pahrump. We don’t have to take the same class, though. Right now the five nights would be $786.14 which would be $393.07 each. Anyone interested?

    We could also share a car if that’ll work for you.

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  • Tue, Aug 27, 2019 - 6:22pm

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    Best Western Pahrump -- Car share

    Hi thc0655.  I have a room-mate (the wife is going!) for the Best Western Pahrump but would love to share rental car to and from FS and LAS airport.

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  • Tue, Aug 27, 2019 - 6:49pm

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    Perfect

    and still room for one more

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  • Wed, Aug 28, 2019 - 4:48pm

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    FTA non response

    I got a confirmation email from Adam a while back but nothing from FTA and won’t make plans until I do, lot of moving parts from here. These folks’ phone number is also unfindable my me.

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  • Wed, Aug 28, 2019 - 5:11pm

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    FTA non-responsiveness

    We had the same non-responsiveness last year with lots of confusion, delays and inability to plan.  What I learned is that FTA is a broker that offers first-timers a free Front Sight course tuition, then hopes to earn money by selling the new visitors life-time memberships to FS, which are very useful if you want to return.

    (They also belatedly reserve room blocks in a hotel in Vegas and help to some degree arrange a van or two to move people from hotel to FS and back again.  But they do this late.)

    But the FTA guys are just not very responsive, don’t answer emails or phone calls and finalize plans late.

    The free course tuition for first-timers is a great reason to stick with FTA for first timers.  The rest of us however should:

    1.  rent hotel rooms now.  Pahrump is way closer than Vegas and you’ll be too tired to do Vegas night life anyway.  Let the Best Western Pahrump staff know that you’re with Front Sight for $10 off room rate (about $75/night).

    2.  rent a car and find buddies to share the car rental costs and to car pool. (Adam, can you help make a car pooling list?)

    3.  get airplane tickets arriving the day before and leaving the day after.

    4.  bring a small cooler and reusable ice pack to carry your lunch to the range each day.  Big water jug.

    The days are long with breakfast at 6:15 and course work starting promptly at 8:00 AM,  The day ends at 5:00 Pm and you are TIRED, DUSTY, SWEATY and want a shower, grab some quick food and a bedtime.  (But you feel great because you are learning so much!!)

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  • Wed, Aug 28, 2019 - 7:31pm

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    Great Info

    Many thanks, Sand, you addressed questions I had, though some of the answers  give me pause considering some physical concerns as well as complicated travel that I can’t leave until the last minute. Best Western is already out of the room I need and referred me to Holiday Inn, whose address looks on same road but I would have no car pool if no one else there. Ubers in Pahrump at 0700? Someone told me the Bunny Ranch is in Pahrump but I think you have to pay by the hour for a room there. I’ll have to consider this more.

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  • Wed, Aug 28, 2019 - 8:31pm

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    Ben Martin

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    Hi everyone,

    This is Ben from FTA chiming in …

    First, I’m sorry we didn’t get info out as quickly as some would have liked.  Last year was our first excursion with Peak Prosperity.  We did a 4-Day Defensive Handgun Course, and based on the feedback we got, it seems like it went very well.

    This year, we initially planned to replicate last year, which would have been much easier logistically.  But in an effort to add more value, we decided to offer the shotgun class as an option, which meant updating all communication and order forms.  That process took more time than expected.

    The good news is you now have a choice of either the 4-day Defensive Handgun Course with or without the optional 5th day CCW training … OR the 4-day Tactical Shotgun Course.

    FTA is providing the courses AND the gun rentals for free to first timers.  Plus, we’re providing subsidizing the rental costs of hearing protection rentals and the Uzi mags for the optional fun shoot.

    FTA also coordinates the carpool program, pre-paid ammo packages, and hotel recommendations to foster camaraderie and make it as turnkey as possible for the first timers.  We even provide a handy guide for how to travel with your firearm if you’ve never done it before.

    Adam provided us with a list of everyone who expressed interest and all first-timers were sent an email last night with details and registration forms.

    If you’re a first-timer and you filled out the Peak Prosperity form but did not receive an email from us …

    Please check your junk folder.  If it’s not there, contact us at [email protected], and we’ll send it again.

    For those who are alumni of last year and/or already have Front Sight lifetime memberships, we’ll soon be sending details about the carpool and group hotel.

    To be clear, FTA is not a broker or sales agent for Front Sight.  We made substantial investment in purchasing a very large inventory of pre-paid Front Sight courses, equipment rental certificates, and memberships for the purpose of promoting firearms safety through professional training.

    We promote Front Sight because we’ve taken their training and think they do a great job.  Also, they have the capacity to handle large groups with a huge selection of training dates and courses.

    We’re a small outfit with a skeleton crew.  We give the courses away through coordinated group excursions like this to make it easier and more fun for first-timers to experience professional training … and for alumni to invite friends and encourage firearms safety through professional training.

    One of the Peak Prosperity keys to resilience is building social capital.  These excursions are not only about firearms training, but expanding and edifying the tribe.

    Working together we can introduce people to Peak Prosperity and to the benefits of professional firearms training.

    It’s true we support our mission by offering highly discounted lifetime training memberships and additional bonuses to excursion alumni so they can come back, take additional courses, keep their skills sharp, and bring more first-timers back with them.

    We strive to provide extreme value.  I assure you we’re not getting rich promoting these excursions, but we do need to cover our expenses.

    Again, I’m sorry we fell behind in getting the information out sooner.  But it’s all ready to go now and we’re already getting registrations, so if you want to attend and didn’t get our email, please let us know at [email protected] and we’ll get it out to right away.

    To your safety,

    Ben

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  • Thu, Aug 29, 2019 - 12:35am

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    4-day shotgun

    Well, one of my big regrets at Front Sight was not taking a 4-day shotgun class.  Man.  I only got 2 days, and I have to say, I came away from the class with the shotgun as my absolute favorite weapon.  Really.

    It turns out, its hard to miss with a shotgun.  And that’s why I’m a huge fan.  🙂  I hit literally everything I aimed at!  Everything!  Ok so my shoulder hurt a little bit, but so what?  I hit everything!!

    Sadly, with pistol and rifle – not so much.

    And did I mention there are these solid shot you can use at longer range?  Getting them into the magazine while under “simulated fire” was challenging but doable.  And very satisfying to hit something at distance.  With a shotgun!

    So, shotgun.  Big fan.  🙂

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  • Thu, Aug 29, 2019 - 5:57am

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    Ben, Please give us the hotel name so we can make reservations now

    Both first timers and repeat attenders need the hotel details so that we can get our plans made.  Adam, can you help this?  Will there be transportation from airport to hotel?  What time?  We need to arrange flights also.

    Don’t want to end up staying at the Bunny Ranch with capesurvivor!

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  • Tue, Sep 03, 2019 - 2:15pm

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    AaronMcKeon

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    Logistics - Flights, Carpools, and Hotels

    Are folks opting into the carpool program?  Is everybody staying at the group hotel or is anybody staying at the cheaper alternative proposed by Sand Puppy?

    I’ll be flying from Boston on JetBlue.

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  • Wed, Sep 04, 2019 - 7:54pm

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    Not sure that I shouldn't post in "humor"...

    But you can term the analysis of shot groupings

    “probaballistics”

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  • Sat, Sep 14, 2019 - 6:19am

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    "The Terrorists Are Coming --- Turn in your weapons and get to the gun free zones!"

    Paul Revere’s famous ride directs the impotent and gullible people on how to stay safe.

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  • Tue, Sep 17, 2019 - 8:40am

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    Charles

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    Even our police don’t carry guns. That is how safe we are from gun crime in the UK.

    Maybe we can arrange a knife fighting class in the UK next year?

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  • Tue, Sep 17, 2019 - 9:39am

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    robie robinson

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    Hey Charles

    am I supposed to feel envy or sarcasm?

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  • Tue, Sep 17, 2019 - 10:32am

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    Bleep

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    Beijing and Guns

    Charles,

    I think I understand where you are coming from.  I lived in Beijing for several years and never felt safer from street crime and guns.    At the same time it was easy to see the cost of a gunless society where only those in power control firearms and weapons.   Ironic that in a nominal Communist country, the people have so little power.     I would prefer not to die at the end of the barrel of someone’s gun.  But, I fear living in a totalitarian top-down, controlled and monitored society even more.  You have made a different choice.

    The U.S. would likely still be part of the British Commonwealth if King George had disarmed us back in the 1770s.  Then we would all be enjoying your British gun-free utopia. Perhaps Sand Puppy is subtly referring to that in his post above.

    By the way,  I actually feel a lot safer in Boise, Dallas, or Las Vegas than I do in London.   So many stories of friends being mugged by British thugs.

    Why don’t you come join us in Nevada and see what this crowd is like.  You might be surprised.

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  • Wed, Sep 18, 2019 - 9:23am

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    How to shave tenths?

    Train with Jerry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_W2w0oBwb8

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  • Wed, Sep 18, 2019 - 11:21am

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    Bleep

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    Train with Jerry???

    From your picture and login, one might suppose that we should train with Jerry Garcia but he is Dead in more ways than one.   Maybe I should check out the video?

    Nothin’ left to do but smile, smile, smile. . .

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  • Wed, Sep 18, 2019 - 6:38pm

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    Dag nab it! What day is it!

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  • Thu, Sep 19, 2019 - 8:27pm

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    Inviting ALL women to Front Sight!

    Greetings all,

    This is Evie writing, wanting to wish you all a happy harvest season and to let you all know that I am excited for this years courses at Front Sight Training .  While there are many considerations, accommodations, flights, and such to be made, I wanted to chime in with my positive feedback from my experience last year.

    As a female shooter with 3 back surgeries and a back fusion, I wasn’t sure how I’d actually like shooting at all.  I love nature, enjoy gardening, and am a quiet and intuitive sort.  I was really nervous about doing the course too.  Enter front sight experience 2018, which blew away anything I thought I knew about being a gun owner and handler.  It was terrific, and utterly exhausting, but the camaraderie with PP folks was really rich and wonderful.  What I feel now for myself, is that to be a gun owner is a great responsibility, AND can also be enjoyed without it being dark or damaging to my goodness, or my sensitive heart.  So, if you are on the fence, give it a shot! LOL

    Last year I also chose to bring my own little Ruger Lc9s (OMG SO small) and though I tried pretty hard, I was very inexperienced… and the smaller the firearm, often the more difficult to handle recoil.  I still use the Ruger as a Concealed Carry if I choose to, here in MA precisely because it is small and more convenient TO conceal.  But I also laugh as I look at it too, remembering how small my own experience was this time last year, and how much has improved for me from practice.  Additionally, as you all know, Chris is all about the data, so there is a reason for constant measuring of time and of accuracy at all moments, good days and bad!

    These days, Chris and I are often at “our range” at our local sports club and we enjoy the people there and the sport so much that we regularly attend meetings there, and are on a committee.  Though we won’t be able to do as much live fire practice this winter, we are able to create all sorts of challenges to practice defeating (such as “dot torture”).  What is amazing is that practice, whether dry fire, or range time with ammo, we’ve improved!!!

    Spending a little time as often as we can has provided us with confidence way beyond what either of us had previously known.  Chris, being a long-time shooter, and me just beginning, FS was what got our feet wet with a hunger to get better skills, to know how to safely handle a firearm, and gave us choices around whether we wanted to carry.  It was great to have a fast and deep immersion to help in the deciding for me, personally.

    For any women that are on the fence about this trip and the worth of it, I have a few thoughts for you.  Whether you are very experienced, or have never shot before, this is a great course (defensive handgun) to check out to find out here your growth edges are, and where you can safely explore whether shooting will be something of interest to you in the future.  Last year, there were very few females, and so this year, I’m looking forward to whoever is able to make it. However, this is a special invite for the ladies: come be a badass and do it with me?

    Best,

    EvieB

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  • Fri, Sep 20, 2019 - 12:08am

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    Return to Front Sight

    My wife and I went to Front Sight last winter and she will be returning for the PP excursion next month. We are both looking forward to it.

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  • Sat, Sep 21, 2019 - 3:29pm

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    Lodging for Front Sight

    I just received notification from FTA that lodging will be at the Silverton. It is suggested that if you are in the carpool you stay there. Last year they ran out of rooms, so book soon! I believe the Berkey is next door but more expensive.

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  • Sat, Sep 21, 2019 - 4:36pm

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    All signed up!

    I just received notification from FTA that lodging will be at the Silverton. It is suggested that if you are in the carpool you stay there. Last year they ran out of rooms, so book soon! I believe the Berkey is next door but more expensive.

    I just booked Evie’s and my room at the Silverton.  I’ll also be getting a car.  So we share rides to/from Front Sight.

    Maybe we take the car, maybe it makes more sense to pile into the vans…just got an option.  Last year it was good to have an extra car on one of the days…

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