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    Fighting The Coronavirus: Good Learnings From Germany

    As we get smarter, we get stronger. This, folks, is how we'll beat covid-19.
    by Adam Taggart

    Monday, March 30, 2020, 6:20 PM

As we reported yesterday, with the world sharing its data, we are starting to get a better handle on understanding the coronavirus.

This real-time exchange of data and insights going on across the globe right now is invaluable to global efforts to fight the spread of covid-19 more effectively.

Germany has recently contributed two important pieces to the puzzle:

First, it has been conducting *many* more tests per capita than other countries (500,000/week). Due to this, they have a better picture of the true # of infected people. Their recent data suggests that the real Case Fatality Rate (CFR) for covid-19 is closer to 0.4% — substantially lower than the rates calculated for most other countries, who don’t test as aggressively.

A 0.4% CFR is still concerning, but is substantially better than the previous 2-3% estimates from just a few weeks back.

Second, because it tests so many people, Germany is swiftly building a database of people who recover and therefore have anti-bodies against the virus. It plans to fast-track these folks’ return to work, so that they can get the economy recovering faster without fear of infecting others.

In this way, valuable insights lead to more effective policies — just like the Czech Republic has done with the #Masks4All movement.

As we get smarter, we get stronger. This, folks, is how we’ll beat covid-19.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 6:40pm

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    nordicjack

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    I love you Chris, But I would argue against the German numbers

    Yes germany may be testing a lot more.   But we have already seen where they numbers were not right with the serious cases.  I am not ready to give them credibility all of sudden.

    Further , what this suggests , this is just the flu ( almost ) .. If in wuhan , when this was first spotted, it would have been easily over-looked at the flu - a bad flu season.   Doctor - "I saw 2-3 times as many flu people as ususal."  This is not what happen , they were seeing a lot of people, with a specific course to death , not seen in the flu.    I agree , that this may infect more of the population than the flu each year.   But even if it infected 50% it would only be about 3 times what a flu infects each year.   And we are no where near 50% infection in the population.  As I know of no one officially sick, and yes 2 suspected cases out of all the people I know.  But , one is only this week.    This share of the people, I know would not come close to 10% mind 50%.   You would have to have 50% or more of the infected totally asymptomatic.

    I am sorry , I am going to have to ignore the Germany numbers.   Though , I can explain them another way , if actually real.  I cannot take one country as the true numbers and everyone else with different numbers.    Though as my wife being a nutritionist and RD,  it is well understood that Germany leads the world in herbal and supplemental nutrition in medicine.   They may being using a standard " natural " protocol there that all seek whether a cold or flu that may have impact on the course of disease..  That is my theory.. And it would similar to the one with the Finish Sauna, and Fins having better inate immunty and their numbers reflecting a large difference from other nations.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 6:42pm

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    Peter Smith

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    Bail Outs and the SBA

    The SBA loans will be forgiven if used for the specific purposes, wages and a couple other items.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 6:53pm

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    Correlation betweel BCG vaccination policy and reduced and mortality for COVID-19

    Hello Chris and PPer,

    In case you haven't seen this epidemiological study from NYIT College of Osteopathic Medicine:

    "Correlation between universal BCG vaccination policy and reduced morbidity and mortality for COVID-19"

    Here is the abstract:

    COVID-19 has spread to most countries in the world. Puzzlingly, the impact of the diseaseis different in different countries. These differences are attributed to differences in culturalnorms, mitigation efforts, and health infrastructure. Here we propose that national differences inCOVID-19 impact could be partially explained by the different national policies respect to Bacillus Calmette-Guérin (BCG)childhoodvaccination. BCG vaccination has been reported to offer broad protection to respiratory infections. We compared large number of countries BCG vaccination policies with the morbidity and mortality for COVID-19. We found that countries without universal policies of BCGvaccination(Italy, Nederland, USA) have been more severely affected compared to countries with universal and long-standing BCG policies. Countries that havealate start of universal BCG policy (Iran, 1984) had high mortality, consistent with the idea that BCG protects the vaccinated elderly population. We also found that BCG vaccination also reduced the number of reportedCOVID-19cases in a country. The combination of reduced morbidity and mortality makesBCG vaccination a potentialnewtool in the fight against COVID-19.

    Link to the full study (pdf):

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.24.20042937v1.full.pdf

     

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 7:06pm

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    PhilH

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    Is this the trigger to the 4th turning?

    Howe had stated he thought Obama election was the trigger.  Not trying to make this a political discussion, but I disagreed with him at the time, and now thinking we may have stumbled across the trigger with honeybadger.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 7:13pm

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    LesPhelps

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    The lab grown virus suspicions have made the news again

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/30/china-researchers-isolated-bat-coronaviruses-near-/

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 7:28pm

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    PalB

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    Fatality/mortality rate is not an inherent characteristic of a disease

    Case fatality/mortality rate is dependent on a number of variables, including quality and availability of healthcare, the efficacy and availability of treatments, and the pre-existing health of a population.  In turn, the availability of healthcare is related to the degree of success in controlling disease transmission, which itself is dependent on a number of response factors.  The higher the quality of healthcare, the more successfully transmission is limited, the better the available treatments, and the healthier the population at risk, the lower the case mortality rate, and the converse is true, too.  I suggest you read Wuhan and Hubei COVID-19 mortality analysis reveals the critical role of timely supply of medical resources at https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(20)30145-6/pdf , and particularly the charts on page six that show daily mortality rate, patient-healthcare worker ratio, availability of critical care and other hospital beds, and the recovery rate.  The reported mortality rates varied by time, location and healthcare system capacity, from as high as 3.5% in Wuhan City, but overtime the rates for all regions dropped to flu-like levels.  The findings of this paper are that the mortality rate was inversely related to the number of healthcare workers and beds. This implies that mortality rates may be much higher in some communities than others.  It could be that countries with very limited healthcare systems, little ability to limitation infection transmission, limited access to treatments, and unhealthy populations could experience mortality rates much higher than even Wuhan City, much less Germany.

     

    Taking data from a single advanced country, such as Germany, and using the fatality rate there to estimate the fatality rate in other countries is not reasonable, unless the other countries have a similar healthcare system, similarly available treatments, similar transmission limitation success, and similarly healthy population.  Reported data varies in quality, and it is likely that some developing countries will not have the capability to collect and report cases or fatalities, and even some developed countries might do this poorly, too.

     

    Ultimately, may be possible -- after the fact -- to estimate a reasonably accurate global fatality rate based on random serum testing and statistical estimates of additional deaths , but so what?  That may be of historical interest, but arguing about it now really isn't useful.  Moreover, if one collects the mortality rates of HCID listed diseases, it becomes apparent that almost all of these rates are estimates that vary particularly by the characteristics of the communities impacted and the availability of effective treatmetns.

    For COVID-19, at this time the mortality rate from a range of countries with substantially different characteristics is not known -- most of the data to date comes from advanced economies.  Some countries may experience low mortality rates, like Germany.  Some very populous poorer countries may experience much higher mortality rates.  What matters now is collecting evidence from countries with early experience, understanding the variables that impact mortality rate, and taking actions to lower the mortality rate.  We know COVID-19 has the capacity to overwhelm even advanced healthcare systems where infection transmission is not sufficiently suppressed, and that mortality rates will be higher to the degree that healthcare systems fail.  We know that the mortality rate can be much higher than the flu in such circumstances and that a significant number of victims require advanced life support or they will die. Therefore, COVID1-19 creates a substantial risk of death, much greater than the seasonal flu.  Hypothesizing that the ultimate mortality rate is this or that is an unhelpful distraction.

    On the other hand, estimating a range of mortality rates based on community characteristics, case severity rates, and herd immunity in different communities is helpful to understanding a possible range of impacts and the tactics that can best limit the impacts of COVID-19 and the potential duration of future impacts.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 7:48pm

    nordicjack

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    BCG Vacc

    I hope this may be the case, I hope not for the USA sake..   That will also give them more reason to poison us with yet with more Vaccines.  The problem , I have with Vaccines , is not that we dont have a few we need. But the ones we dont need.  When my 5 year old needs HepB to go to kindergarten , something is really wrong.. She is not sharing needles, and not having sex.. _--- it is well known , even by CDC standards , you dont get this kissing or sharing utensils.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 7:50pm

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    Sobering food for thought from Charles Eisenstein - well worth the long read

    The answer to such questions, whether asked on behalf of oneself or on behalf of society at large, depends on how we hold death and how much we value play, touch, and togetherness, along with civil liberties and personal freedom. There is no easy formula to balance these values.

    https://charleseisenstein.org/essays/the-coronation/

     

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 7:53pm

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    Jleimer

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    Zinc

    Love the information Chris daily. Here’s something very interesting regarding zinc deficiency and coronavirus mortalities you want to look at https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/no_author/emergency-room-doctor-doesnt-realize-major-signs-symptoms-of-covid-19-coronavirus-cases-match-evidences-of-zinc-deficiency/

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 8:05pm

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    Zinc deficiency?

    There might be a correlation with zinc deficiency, which could also explain why Chloroquine and Quercetin seem to have an effect:

    Emergency Room Doctor Doesn’t Realize Major Signs & Symptoms of COVID-19 Coronavirus Cases Match Evidences of Zinc Deficiency

    Would be interesting to have some actual data on this though.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 8:29pm

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    Pharma Doesn't Want a Cheap Effective Treatment

    Don't be surprised to see cheap simple treatments ignored or even attacked.  Pharma has done this for decades.  They will even go so far as to conduct "studies" that are designed to fail.  They have their own loyal people in key positions so that media, scientific journals, research funding etc is all controlled in their favor.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 8:31pm

    IN THE GENES

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    Thou shalt not steal

    It is still stealing from future generations.  There is no excuse for not living a sustainable and rational lifestyle.  If you don’t want that then you need to pay the piper...you can’t just steal from others to fund your irrational decisions.  This entire planet seems to be infected with ‘communist think’ rather than any sort of common sense.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 8:35pm

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    Self Selecting To Get Sick

    Someone explain to me how you win this fight when some people choice to go with a losing hand?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/social-distancing-culture/609019/

     

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 8:52pm

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    IN THE GENES

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    Does the W.H.O. seem bizarre to Y.O.U T.O.O

    So, I ran across a little bit of information about Tedros at the W.H.O.  Turns out he doesn’t have any sort of medical degree at all...I am uncertain that he has a degree at all.  He rose to power in Ethiopia as a puppet of the chinese communist government, leading a known terrorist group that brought in a coupe of the existing government and directly presided over the genocide of 2 million citizens of his own nation (at the behest of his puppet masters, the CCP and Goldman Sachs).  When he was finished destroying millions in Ethiopia he was then ‘awarded’ a position at the W.H.O. (I guess Genociders are responsible for ‘health’ in a twisted fashion).  Anyway, if you are wondering W.H.O. And W.H.Y some of the strange things come out of the mouths of W.H.O leadership you should know that they don’t have any sort of degree or training AT ALL and that it is basically nothing less than a criminal mafia puppet branch of the CCP.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 9:29pm

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    Had to share this

    Someone has mad prepping skills! Who needs meatballs?

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 9:37pm

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    Welcome Genes.... George Webb shares your disdain for Tedros

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O423eqb7_Lk

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 9:56pm

    nordicjack

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    zinc deficiency

    Yes this is high associative.   but the chloroquine leads to this hypothesis as well.   For those of you chocolate lovers.. This could be death by chocolate/.    ( high copper - competes with zinc )

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 9:57pm

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    on the Worldometer site under Closed Cases, the Death rate is now 19%

    Higher and higher we go.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 10:03pm

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    Ted & Diane Cohn

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    Masking America ASAP

    We need to change the culture of this country to make masks the new norm as they did in Czechoslovakia. That means the cool kids have to wear them, so that everybody will.

    I'm not a cool kid, and I don't know any celebs I can get to model masks as everyday wear, I'm just that wacko out back throwing up a goofy dance video on YouTube to try and make masks look cool. Maybe a real influencer will notice and spread the word.

    Whatever it takes to get people to wear them is all that counts. If you've got ideas, let's brainstorm. How do you change the culture of a country in days?

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 10:09pm

    nordicjack

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    Dt, Prepping skills

    If you forgot the salt,  in your prep inventory..   I am sure this would make sure the pasta was not flat.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 10:21pm

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    dtrammel

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    Have Salt, Need Some Italian Sausages

    Someone on FB pointed out, you don't use American hotdogs, you use Italian sausage for a spaghetti. Add some mushrooms and cover in red sauce and enjoy with a nice wine.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 10:36pm

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    Re: Sobering food for thought from Charles Eisenstein - well worth the long read

    westcoastjan,

    Wow! Thanks for the heads up and link for Charles Einstein's article on the virus. I just finished it, and was definitely worth the read, for me at least.

    https://charleseisenstein.org/essays/the-coronation/

    I especially liked these snipits, and reminded me of comments I've seen on different threads in the last few days or so:

    "Why, for that matter, are we not in a frenzy about averting nuclear armageddon or ecological collapse, but, to the contrary, pursue choices that magnify those very dangers?"
    "Let us ask why are we able to unify our collective will to stem this virus, but not to address other grave threats to humanity."
    "But these questions bring up deep issues. What is the right way to live? What is the right way to die?"
    "Dying well (which isn’t necessarily the same as dying painlessly) is not much in today’s medical vocabulary."
    "Remember, death is no ending. Death is going home.”
    "Like all fear, the fear around the coronavirus hints at what might lie beyond it. Anyone who has experienced the passing of someone close knows that death is a portal to love. Covid-19 has elevated death to prominence in the consciousness of a society that denies it."
    "A certain schizophrenia afflicts the modern culture of health. On the one hand, there is a burgeoning wellness movement that embraces alternative and holistic medicine. It advocates herbs, meditation, and yoga to boost immunity. It validates the emotional and spiritual dimensions of health, such as the power of attitudes and beliefs to sicken or to heal. All of this seems to have disappeared under the Covid tsunami, as society defaults to the old orthodoxy."
    "Perhaps we can take this opportunity to reevaluate prevailing theories of illness, health, and the body."
    "Or we can take advantage of this pause, this break in normal, to turn onto a path of reunion, of holism, of the restoring of lost connections, of the repair of community and the rejoining of the web of life."
    "On a larger scale, people are asking questions that have until now lurked on activist margins."
    "Let’s take inventory of our civilization, strip it down to its studs, and see if we can build one more beautiful."
    "As Rebecca Solnit describes in her marvelous book, A Paradise Built in Hell, disaster often liberates solidarity."
    "For a long time we, as a collective, have stood helpless in the face of an ever-sickening society. Whether it is declining health, decaying infrastructure, depression, suicide, addiction, ecological degradation, or concentration of wealth, the symptoms of civilizational malaise in the developed world are plain to see, but we have been stuck in the systems and patterns that cause them. Now, Covid has gifted us a reset."

    Linda

    Hope that wasn't too many snipits.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 10:39pm

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    Remember, If You Get Them To Sit Still

    They are easier to bag for the dinner plate.

    40+ SQUIRREL RECIPES FOR SMALL GAME HUNTERS

    Get them before your neighbors do, lol.

    ADDED: I have three foster cats. This morning as they all do each day, congregate in my office for treats I looked down and said to the biggest one, "Sorry Mattie, I'm eating you first..."

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 10:42pm

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    what kind of prepper are you ?

    I made sure to grab a few treats when I last hit a store in February, I have a couple packages of vegetarian italian sausages in the freezer.  And some other treat-ish foods for variety

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 11:20pm

    dtrammel

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    Cajun

    I have a bunch of Cajun sausage for jumbo. Its a St Louis thing.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 11:22pm

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    Update from Germany

    I’m an American living in southern Germany, so I have an insiders perspective from the outside looking in. I know that’s a little convoluted, sorry.

    Im unsurprised by Germany’s response, they are fact oriented and practical. Examples: every highway bridge in Germany gives the exact length and height of the bridge in meters. Why? Facts. Where Americans would use “OK” or “sure” in conversation, germans say “genau” which means exactly or precisely. So, my assessment is that the policy response (mass testing) is informed by underlying cultural characteristics (high value on information, culture of “German engineering”).

    At the street level perspective, people are generally following the rules. There are fines and even criminal penalties in place for breaking lockdown measures, and they are being enforced. A local family was fined 500€ for another family coming over for a BBQ. Some people are slow adjusters. However, it doesn’t feel like a shutdown. Construction projects both residential, commercial, and infrastructure are continuing. I’m in a rural area, farmers are very busy as planting season arrives. Traffic in my town is about normal during the workday. At night it’s dead though.

    In my immediate area, I am tracking active cases in the tens, and one death that I know of. My wife is fluent in German and keeps up with local news sources. I’ll post updates that corroborate or refute the analysis in Chris’s video. So far, I think his assessment is accurate.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 11:25pm

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    Insight on situation in Russia + Spain Unrest

    Hello Chris! Thanks for your important work and the daily updates!
    Is there any data about the covid-19 situation in Russia? As a large country they apparently have a small number of detected cases, do you know why and what are possible predictions?
    As the face masks were unavailable almost everywhere, I wanted to order a few from Russian websites as there were still plenty just a few days ago. Now it seems like those masks are all sold out as well. Is Russia preparing for a major outbreak?

    Another comment is related to the Italy's Sivil Unrest, as Spain only with few weeks of lockdown is already experiencing robbery. Yesterday at night time, in a small city close to Malaga was apparently a rubbery where a man stole nothing else than a bit of meat. Can a conclusion be driven that people there as well are experiencing some sort of lack of money for food supplies. Really sad to see how the lockdown starts to affect the moral aspect of everyday life.

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 11:35pm

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    Adrienne Lellman

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    Figures from China

    Hi Chris,

    Greetings from New Zealand!

    I am thinking we should stop including China in the official figures as they are so obviously state propaganda. A Chinese nationalist friend of mine has confirmed with me that in Wuhan alone the deaths topped 45,000. please refer following article:
    http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Wuhan,-endless-queues-for-ashes-of-coronavirus-dead-cast-doubts-on-numbers-49673.html?fbclid=IwAR2urhMmowwrvkDbw21hjsorOs5_oe6amXaQh8fMul6OeOlQryxLA4wOTYw

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  • Mon, Mar 30, 2020 - 11:56pm

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    Smell Something

    I've got a bag of incense on my desk. Every few hours I put it to my nose and smell it. Not sure if the "sense of smell" disappears meme is true, but its something that is easy to check on a periodic basis.

    Also filling your home with pleasant smells is a good way to de-stress.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 12:03am

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    warm and humid = good for you, bad for covid

    I do think warmer weather and higher humidity will definitely help.  It isn't the answer by itself, but it should act to slow the spread, at least outdoors.

    Inside buildings, and mass transit systems is probably where the problems will remain.  Cool dry air is bad news during summer or winter.  Where do we spend the majority of our time "in the civilized world?"  Indoors, of course.

    Note that many tropical countries have had a much slower spread of the virus than the colder, drier nations.  That doesn't mean they are immune (aircon is quite popular in said countries - malls, rich people's houses, theaters, buses and trains, bars, etc) but it does appear to help them to resist the spread.

    Especially when the people in these tropical countries wear masks semi-religiously, don't hug in public, and are fanatical about personal cleanliness.

    In addition, apparently, if you get infected during humid conditions, your body fights off the virus better:

    There is a sweet spot in relative humidity for indoor environments, review found. Mice in environments of between 40% and 60% relative humidity show substantially less ability to transmit viruses to non-infected mice than those in environments of low or high relative humidity. Mice kept at 50% relative humidity were also able to clear an inhaled virus and mount robust immune responses, she found.

    https://news.yale.edu/2020/03/30/hopes-pandemic-respite-spring-may-depend-upon-what-happens-indoors

    As a result of all of this, I suspect once all is said and done, the overall hit that (say) Florida takes from the virus (minus the tourist areas) will be substantially less than other places.  But we will only read this in the history books.

    "We found that the warm, humid areas without heavy tourist traffic suffered much less from the pandemic than those in the colder, drier regions ..." -- History of the COVID Pandemic, 2025.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 12:26am

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    HCQ and Big Pharma

    Count me in with the group that thinks Big Pharma is leaning heavily on their mainstream media friends (whose revenues depend on advertising from said Big Pharma) via their tame set of paid-for researchers that actively campaign against anything that isn't a patented product of their money source.

    "OMG a man in Arizona ate aquarium cleaner and died!"

    "Its not proven!"

    "Its not safe!"

    Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt.  Let's hope that HCQ + Zithro study in NYC is being done legitimately, and isn't under the auspices of someone who is working for the government NOW, but has been promised a very well paid post in Big Pharma "after government service" (hello: Robert Rubin - $100 million from Citibank after torpedoing  Glass-Stegall in 1999/2000) in return for "doing this study properly."

    There are hundreds of billions in potential revenue are at stake for that company.  Any organization that stands to get THAT rich off this pandemic - I trust them to pull out all the stops to destroy any and all competition.  The stakes are just too high.

    This accounts for why "the major networks" haven't picked up HCQ + Zithromax.  Big Pharma is their primary source for ad revenue.  It simply runs counter to their interest to provide any sort of support for an unpatented, non-big-Pharma cure.

    Example "search completion" from google for the phrase, "supplements are":

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 12:30am

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    Time2help

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    CDC considering recommending general public wear face coverings in public

    Looks like the CDC may be yielding to public pressure.

    CDC considering recommending general public wear face coverings in public (The Washington Post)

    "Should we all be wearing masks? That simple question is under review by officials in the U.S. government and has sparked a grass-roots pro-mask movement. But there’s still no consensus on whether widespread use of facial coverings would make a significant difference, and some infectious disease experts worry that masks could lull people into a false sense of security and make them less disciplined about social distancing.

    In recent days, more people have taken to covering their faces, although it remains a scattershot strategy driven by personal choice. The government does not recommend it.

    That may change. Officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are considering altering the official guidance to encourage people to take measures to cover their faces amid the coronavirus pandemic, according to a federal official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because it is an ongoing matter of internal discussion and nothing has been finalized."

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 1:05am

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    Peddling Fiction?

    Hi Chris,

    Most people outside of Germany dont understand how much Germany as changed under the rule of  former communist party member Angela Merkel. Germany created even a special law to suppress free speech on the internet, especially to force FB to remove critical political posts.

    The entire public German broadcasting system is paid by the State, financed by a compulsory levy, which everybody must pay, whether he owns a TV or not. The journalists working at these stations know very well what they can say and what not. A satirical comedian just got fired for making jokes about the Government. The link you refer to as "proof" that every death is counted as a Corona victim is citing one of those public State propaganda outlets in Bavaria.

    The Robert Koch Institute is also a State sponsored institution and one of their virologists, Dr. Chistian Drosten has a weekly podcast organized by NDR, one of the worst stations. He did not clearly tell people that they should wear a mask (because the country did not have enough). Wearing a mask in public just "signals one is being polite".  In the beginning he also stated that there is no proof that self-isolation resp. lock downs work. This is all still on YouTube. Repeating also all the time the State narrative "Nobody  could have seen this coming". I dont think he believes everything he says, he is just under pressure.

    The number 500.000 comes also from Dr. Drosten! German GPs refuse to test anybody for Corona since they would have to close their practice for 14 days if someone tests positive. There are no drive in test stations. Who would do this 500.000 tests? A young German woman  tried to get their sick parents tested. Her article describes her odyssey.  The parents had all the symptoms and her father even worked in a clinic! No luck, don't test don't tell!

    She came to the same conclusion like you in one of your podcasts, "we are on our own".

    There is no reason to believe Germany is different from the rest of the world.

     

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 1:19am

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    from France

    Thank you for your post. We in France are in the same conundrum. Our previous health minister got Chloroquine declared a poison, Agnès Buzyn. According to my wife, the husband of Agnès Buzyn owns an important pharmaceutical company - giving weight to the video presentation. IHU Méditerranée Infection, the french specialty hospital in Marseille, France - publishes their results every day: for March 31st they have treated 1,283 infected patients with 1 death of someone who had 3 days or more of the treatment hydrochloroquine + azithromycine. That is considerably better than other results!

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 1:45am

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    St. Thomas Moore and coronavirus

    Re: Eisenstein’s essay, from the looks of it, this is strictly from a secular humanist point of view. Very politically correct, in other words. For those who don‘t insist on using an N95 politically correct filtering system, may I recommend St. Thomas Moore‘s, The Four Last Things. This has been subject unfortunately to SHPC filtering in some editions. The original version was about death, judgement, heaven and hell. Evidently, the two latter terms which I had previously understood to be English words now have to be translated into joy and pain. Thus, for fear of further SHPC filtering of the text whose purpose would be to remove any eschatological meaning and any hint that the great Thomas Moore actually subscribed to an ancient outdated belief system postulating the actual existence of rewards and punishments after death, I would recommend making an effort to find an edition that adheres to what St. Thomas actually said, if that is still possible. No doubt the original text has already been placed on the SHPC index.

    At any rate, St. Thomas Moore lost his head for the sentiments expressed in this treatise, which at least provides some titillation for history buffs and might help pass idle lockdown hours.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 2:28am

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    "It's not our faces!"

    Chris

    Thanks for the update, as usual. I always find these informative and consider myself fortunate that a friend of mine directed me to your website way back in January.  It seems like a lifetime ago.

    In addition to the info, (which I use as a basis for emailing relevant authorities!), I do enjoy the dry wit. Today had the best line so far, "It's not our faces!  The virus doesn't come through our face, it comes into our face holes".

    That made me laugh out loud.

    Stay safe everyone.

    N

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 3:13am

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    Had to share this

    Laughing so hard I had a hard time clicking the upvote button!

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 3:57am

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    Agreed - heat and humidity ARE a factor

    Chris Martenson is missing that air-conditioning in enclosed spaces has a lot to answer for! Heat and humidity can and hopefully will affect this.

     

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 4:11am

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    Will Trump Ever Be Held Accountable

    Asthe day’s swiftly pass us by, incoming data becomes to jumble about our minds.  It seems to me that many things that were clear to us early on, are now being newly discovered. Such as our need for masks.

    The other big thing I noticing is that all of Trumps broken promises seem to be just getting loss in the rumble.  Is it only me that remembers Trump promising we will have 100,000 test kits on Monday. Then the that Friday he states we will have 1 million test kits on Monday and 4 million by that Friday.

    Well it is well beyond that date and state Governors are advising Trump they still don’t have the test kits.  He simply acts like he has know idea what they are talking about.

    This is only one thing of many that Trump has conveniently to fulfill a pretty important promise to this citizens.  I just wonder if he will ever be held accountable for his lack ok response which caused countless of unnecessary deaths.

    https://www.pulse.com.gh/the-new-york-times/world/trump-suggests-lack-of-testing-is-no-longer-a-problem-governors-disagree/nh61b06

     

     

     

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 4:26am

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    CZ deputy health minister reacts to WHO's 'don't wear masks' statement

    Quote from a radio interview, edited slightly by myself for clarity in English.  I have no link, not yet online as a transcript.

     

    'REACTION OF DEPUTY ROMAN PRYMULA TO WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION. “I consider them useful. Masks protect one’s surroundings. If we all have one, surfaces will barely be contaminated at all as we are not emitting aerosols. If masks are only worn by those in whom the disease manifests, it will already be too late.  The World Health Organization is issuing a number of measures that are more political than anything - for example, they have lowered the level 3 respirator parameters, because there are not enough of these aids globally, ”said Deputy Health Minister Roman Prymula in Radiožurnál. According to him, masks prevent the greatest danger, namely the community transmission of the virus.'

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 4:28am

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    Welcome to the mask club

    Austria is bringing in mandatory mask-wearing in supermarkets.  I think we can expect that it won't stop there.  Bulgaria has also made it mandatory to wear masks in public now.

    https://sofiaglobe.com/2020/03/30/covid-19-bulgaria-makes-wearing-a-protective-mask-in-public-places-compulsory/

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 4:33am

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    Testing Issues in Colorado

    Still have major issues here in Colorado.  Can't imagine what's it's like in other states.  https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/coronavirus/cdphe-due-to-limited-number-of-current-tests-and-ppe-covid-19-testing-prioritized-in-tiers

    Even if Scenario B, is how things will end up, how will we ever implement mass antibody testing, to figure out how much of the population was actually infected?

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 4:35am

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    Some more Numbers from Germany

    It think your observations are "abolsut richtig" (spot on)

    I am German and live in the district (Landkreis) Garmisch-Partenkirchen in the state of Bavaria (capital: Munich / southern Germany).

    Here some Numbers:

    Englisch version of the daily situaiton report of the RKI (german CDC)

    https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/2020-03-30-en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

     

    Pressconference by the RKI Tue 31st March 10:00

    Facts from the Pressconference:

    coronavirus does harm not only the lungs but also the heart
    youngest person to die in Germany: 28 Years
    Average age (infected people): 47 years
    Men: Women: 52:48
    Average age ( deaths): 80 years
    Wear a mask: The head of the German CDC (Robert-Koch-Institut) said   "Könnte eine Mundschutz-Pflicht aus wissenschaftlicher Sicht die Verbreitung eindämmen? Wie Wieler erklärt, könnte das Tragen dieser nützlich sein. „Auch ein selbstgebauter Mund und Nasen-Schutz hält Tröpfchen ab“, so der Präsident des RKI."
     I try to translate it: "Could,from a scientific point of view, an obligation to wear a mask help the containment? Wieler (head of the German CDC; Rober-Koch-Institut) asserts that wearing a mask could be useful. Even a homemade mask detains droplets." (source: https://www.merkur.de/welt/coronavirus-deutschland-rki-pflegeheim-wolfsburg-nrw-bayern-berlin-infizierte-faelle-tote-news-zahlen-robert-koch-institut-zr-13633416.html )
    In Austria (about 1 h -drive away) you have to wear a mask in supermarkets from wednesday on. Mask will be distributed by the supermarkets.
    East German town of Jena. (populaiton 110,000)  You have to wear a mask shopping an using public transportation starting next week. ( https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/panorama/coronavirus-schutzmasken-jena-100.html )

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 4:40am

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    Need help finding a post

    Hi all - I believe it was here that I read an excellent post about from a doctor in an ED describing in great detail the clinical/laboratory results from  Covid 19 patients.  It was  long and thorough.  I read it over the weekend and regret not saving it.

    I work in a hospital lab and wanted to share with my coworkers.

    Also just wanted to share that last week I talked with my director about wearing a mask in the lab, she got angry and told me that when she get's word from higher ups she will let me know.

    Over the weekend we all started wearing masks and today even she is wearing one!

    😉

    Karen

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 4:48am

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    Trends in US since first 50 deaths

    Although this graph may not seem encouraging because of the NY line, I feel it is.

    Notice the Washington State trend (where I live). We've had the virus for months now and the curve is not steep. Why? It seems that herd immunity may be one cause.

    Another unspoken and far too risky of a solution to this crisis is to have 'chicken pox' parties for adults who have strong immune systems. The more people that develop antibodies, the more the curve flattens. This method would not go over well. But the point is that immuno-healthy people might need to be out there on the front line working and providing services to others.

    Full data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FXVgNrTbECcO8X4-hFXhJuqgE5sl-7ddU-IO2ciXCdU/edit#gid=1157182735

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 4:57am

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    How is the 0.4% calculated?

    Hi Chris,

    I spent 15 years working in virology as a scientist and in medical affairs for pharma and so I have been following the data from the start, and commend you for your excellent summaries. I am just wondering where you get the 0.4% from. Like the S. Koreans, the Germans have been testing everything that moves, which suggests there are few missed cases, which means, as you point out, that the denominator is likely to be very close to correct. If you take the crude death rate, deaths/total cases, which is a lagging number therefore low, you get nearly 1% using the worldometer data. If you use the closed case CFR it is 4% for Germany. I’ve been watching S. Korea and their overall death rate has been climbing, now 1.5%, meaning it could end up being nearer 2%.

    Please clarify how you got the 0.4% number in your next video.

    Many thanks.

    Orson

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 4:57am

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    ER MD from New Orleans

    https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3102444?fbclid=IwAR3s13SRnw7YNgtu-7LZyrMUSMIRRWScU67lwbuwZM8fna-6R8k4tqrtO3w

    Is this the one you're looking for?

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 5:04am

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    Karen, try this one too

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/coronavirus-listening-to-and-rebutting-the-critics/#comment-612380

     

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 5:07am

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    Case Fatality Rate comparison with influenza

    Hi folks,

    One thing that has been bugging me about all the CFR comparisons with the flu is that when people bring up the denominator problem they seem to assume that it only exists for COVID-19 estimates, not for the flu numbers. However, the estimates of a CFR of approximately 0.1% for the flu are based on dividing the estimated number of deaths by the estimated number of symptomatic cases, not the total number of cases in the population (you can check yourself using the numbers listed on the CDC website). People are complaining that the estimates for COVID-19 are underestimating the denominator because there are asymptomatic patients in the population that we don't know about, but the same is true for the flu estimates. This means that when comparing the lethality of COVID-19 vs seasonal influenza, we are likely underestimating how much worse COVID-19 is than the flu.

    Furthermore, it must be understood that the numbers used to determine the influenza burden of disease are based on prevalence estimates using mathematical modelling and limited testing. They are not testing everyone for the flu every season. Only patients who are sick enough to seek medical attention are tested, and most of those are sent home without a test. It's mostly people who are sick enough to be hospitalized who are tested, though there likely is some sort of baseline testing in less symptomatic patients that goes on to try to improve the estimates of the true number of cases. Therefore, a denominator problem exists for the seasonal influenza estimated CFR too, further complicating comparisons with COVID-19.

    Thanks very much for your work. You've helped my family be prepared for this pandemic and stay one or two steps ahead of everyone else around us.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 5:44am

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    Was this the one Karen?

    Hi Karen,

     

    Was this the article you were thinking of?

    https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3102444

     

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 5:47am

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    Face masks now becoming compulsory

    Hi Chris and Adam,

    First of all, a huge thanks for these regular updates. We've been following them since you started in late January. We bought some masks on 28th January (as well as taking a few other precautionary steps), so have been well prepared since then.

    I have been so disappointed and angered by our UK government's lack of action all the way through February that I wrote a post yesterday about mask-wearing, and our experiences here in supermarkets in the UK... not encouraging.

    You can see "Masking the truth" here:
    https://www.ianusher.com/freedom-lifestyle/masking-the-truth/

    As I was writing it i was sent a link to an article saying that Austria is now making mask-wearing in stores compulsory. Maybe we're winning hearts and minds slowly.

    Thanks and best wishes

    Ian and Vanessa (Cornwall, UK)

    Austria - face masks becoming compulsory:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-austria/austria-to-make-basic-face-masks-compulsory-in-supermarkets-idUSKBN21H16A

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:01am

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    GERMAN TESTING RATES AND CFR

    The claim that the German CFR is lower because of their higher testing rate does not seem to be correct if you happen to trust some of the reported comparison data on global testing rates, for instance the data published here: https://www.healthpolicy-watch.org/covid-19-testing-trends-globally-regionally/
    and here: https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1244644733571477504

    It’s true that based on this published data, Germany does seem to have been doing more testing per capita than most other nations such as the U.S.. However, compared with the testing of the European epicenter countries Italy and Spain, the per capita testing is actually lower. Also, Switzerland, which has a current CFR of 2.4% (based on data published on BNO News: https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/03/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/) has done testing equivalent to between 2 and 3 times the per capita rate of Germany.

    I don’t know the reason why Germany’s reported CFR numbers are much lower than most other nations but based on the reported testing comparison data, greater testing rate does not seem to be a plausible explanation. Perhaps it is a case of the healthcare system in Germany not yet having reached the stage of the epidemic where their healthcare system has been overloaded.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:02am

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    @ Peter Smith...sba and bailouts...

    Want the long and short of this...be an extension arm of the government by handing out YOUR MONEY to the system with the hopes that you can fill out enough of their bullshit paper trail to get your money back.

    That's what a good communist would do.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:04am

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    We shall overcome

    A reminder to Chris that IHU Méditerranée Infection Marseille where Dr Raoult works  has treated 1283 infected patients with hydrochloroquine + azithromycine regretting 1 death (an 84 year old man) receiving treatment for at least 3 days.

    https://twitter.com/raoult_didier/status/1244935362054688768

     

    President Macron presented the situation in France to justify a lockdown as a war - using the term 5 as in FIVE times  guerre. He was right - this is a war over protocol, money, influence - but not the interests of the people - at least from the government's side. My wife has been sewing masks, as is my Mother-in-law.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.20040758v1

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:08am

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    Vegan italian sausages...lmao.

    That's not even real food.  Give it a bit of thought.

    The amount of energy wasted to create that other "frankenfood" is incredible.

    That goes for all you almond milk drinkers as well.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:24am

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    Masking Americans

    I don’t know for sure, but I’m guessing that getting Americans to wear masks is going to be about as easy as getting them to stop eating meat.

    We can be a stubborn lot and we are very experienced at ignoring evidence that challenges our preferred world view.

    My wife and I are wearing masks and gloves.  People we see out are social distancing fairly well, but few gloves and no masks.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:29am

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    No Sausage

    For a healthier vegan version, leave the meat out and add tons of mushrooms.

    I love mushrooms.  I’m thinking about growing them this year, or just harvesting wild ones.  They grow everywhere in Central Wisconsin.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:41am

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    bbtruth said:

    I'm not a virologist or epidemiologist, hell, I'm not even that bright.  However, my mind does seem to be able to grasp large amounts of information and make sense of it.  Early on (January) this had my attention and with in a week or two I was convinced we would be exactly where we are now and where we are heading.  My understanding of the RO and CFR are similar to yours (Orsonw and grandours ).
    We have unanswered questions and are filling in the wrong blanks with the wrong info and drawing faulty conclusions.   Even if Germany is testing so many people, which I find hard to believe, how many of those people test negative but haven't had it yet, and therefore, are still susceptible to covid? When calculating CFR, why would you use total confirmed cases as the denominator?   We are trying to "flatten the curve" with the idea that we can achieve herd immunity....why? I understand we are trying to lessen the burden on hospitals, but is herd immunity possible or are we hanging hope on something we can't prove yet?
    As I see it, we are just getting started with this with no real idea of how it resolves, both the covid and the rest of the collapsing house of cards.  Personally I believe it will get much worse and agree with Chris that there is no going back to what was.  Our lives and the way we live them will not ever be the same.  There are so many people thinking all we have to do is wait this out then hit the reset button and resume normal life.  I fear what will be as people adjust to this situation they don't understand and can't control.
    Be well everyone.  Please take care.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:48am

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    bbtruth said:

    Agreed.  Biology dictates that humans are not vegetarian by nature, only by choice.  For me the choice is easy.  Meat is delicious.  Throw me some Italian sausage in that pasta.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:55am

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    WFPB Prepper

    Morning Star makes a very decent vegan corny dog.  I also like their vegan buffalo wings and hot breaded  “chicken” patties.  I eat Amy’s “pizza,” but I won’t tell you it’s the same as cheese pizzas.

    Sadly, there is no viable vegan substitute for cheese.  They can’t get the flavor or texture right and without the addictive casomorphins, what’s the point anyway?  It’s like drinking near beer.

    Prepping is much easier and cheaper if your healthy vegan.  Most of my comfort foods are based on rice, beans, potatoes and corn, much easier and cheaper to store in large quantities.

    Plus, I can grow tons of corn and potatoes in a relatively small part of my yard.  Heck, if I want non-organic potatoes, I can glean as many as I can eat from the fields around where I live, after the fields are mechanically harvested.

    I can grow beans as well, but harvesting them by hand is incredibly time consuming.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 7:21am

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    I Guess WHO is listening to your material. I hope!

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world/coronavirus-who-masks-recommendation-trnd/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1nW_sT_GwkjxmRtc0Y5pm_kdyz67-gsRyTPCHfe7e0LTQT6B0oCGCmj7Q

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 7:23am

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    Vegans are doing you a favor

    That’s not even real food.  Give it a bit of thought.

    The amount of energy wasted to create that other “frankenfood” is incredible.

    That goes for all you almond milk drinkers as well.

    Think of it this way.  Vegans are doing you a favor by helping keep your health insurance premiums down a bit.  Also, they won’t compete with you for hospital bed space, if you need coronary bypass surgery, colon cancer surgery, prostate surgery, or hospitalization for diabetes treatment, just to name a few American diet consequences.  There are many.

    Dr. Gregor has a video on nutritionfacts.org referencing studies that link bad nutrition to 14 of the 15 leading causes of death in the US.  The only one he doesn’t link nutrition to is accidents.

    Even if Dr. Gregor is off base with a handful of causes, nutrition is still the leading cause of death in the US, by far.

    Everything humans need for sustenance, except B12, originally comes from plants.  Running it through a cow, before you eat it, reduces the benefits of the nutrients, antioxidants and fiber, while adding fat, trans-fat, cholesterol and animal protein, non of which are remotely healthy.

    BTW, animal agriculture requires 10 times the energy, 10 times the acerage and many times the water required to grow plants.  Animal agriculture produces many times the amount of manure produced by humans and it is not treated.  You simply can’t rationally argue that vegan foods are more resource intensive than animal agriculture.

     

     

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 7:24am

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    Maybe Canada too - I hope!

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-pandemic-coronavirus-masks-1.5515526

     

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 7:34am

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    bbtruth said:

    Yeah yeah we get it, you're a vegan...go eat a carrot.  Doesn't look to me like you have ever done a pushup in your life.  I would promote physical activity and a reduction of sugar intake as well as other complex carbs.  Lean protein and lots of veggies.  That said, I have a penchant for baked goods.... all things in balance.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 7:55am

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    Maybe We Are Going About This The Wrong Way

    Perhaps we should create an antibody test.  If a person has had the disease as evidenced by an  antibody test they can go back to work.

    I suspect there are people who will want to be exposed, get it over with and get on with life.  Kinda like chicken pox parties of the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s.  For those of us that already had the virus masks may seem like a moot point.

    The “system” says thats not a “choice” you get to have.  Instead we are going to a war “siege” plan.  Isolate and control.

    Those that have had the virus - probably their time could be better spent elsewhere.

    This may be our 911 - 2.

    Don’t shoot the messenger here.  This is an idea people are not looking at or discussing.  Different “ideas” are worth pondering.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 8:16am

    French connexion

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    No need to translate

    in Marseille the garbage trucks have decided to show their support for Dr Didier Raoult

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 8:19am

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    Tucker Carlson Gets Onboard "Masks4All"

    I'll refrain from any political comments

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-shortage-medical-masks-stop-lying

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 8:43am

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    meteor35 said:

    They are doing this in one county in Colorado with a population of 8,000.  It will be interesting to see the results.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 8:57am

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    No explanation needed

    The egotism and hubris of the ruling class has no limits, as they quarantine themselves in one of their six mansions or on one of their yachts, eating caviar and drinking champagne, paying their lobbyists to ensure they get a big hunk of the $2.2 trillion stimulus pie, while the average Joe and Jane get a couple thousand bucks to pay one month’s rent and buy some ramen noodles to sustain themselves through the coming military lockdown.


    Wealth Disparity

    It is at a level not seen since the time of the Pharahoas. (per Richard Wolf) back then people were called slaves, today we are wage slaves.
    Solution - our work environment should be democratic. Cooperatives.  Bad Manager or CEO, vote them out!

     

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 8:58am

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    Truth9834

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    Treatment Approach - Excellent Video - Comments Appreciated!

    This Doctor has 4 board certifications, including Emergency Medicine and, yes, Obesity Medicine.  He also has a Ph.D. in Nutrition Science.  In addition to having practiced in several large, urban emergency departments throughout the country, he also served as a Life Flight doctor.  He currently owns and operates 6 brick-and-mortar clinics that range from primary care to urgent care.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 9:17am

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    Steve

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    Freaking out and angry

    We evacuated our downtown Atlanta condo to our beach condo on the coast in South Georgia.  It's pretty easy to stay away from people here.  At least, that is what I thought, until today.

    I made a trip to Home Depot in Brunswick, Georgia, suited up in PPE, this morning to get some items for my garden.  I was doing everything I could to stay clear of others.  Not one person in that store had on any PPE.  No masks, no gloves, nothing.  Regarding social distancing, they appeared to be completely clueless about the need to do so.  I couldn't get away from people no matter  how hard I tried.  I distanced myself outside in the covered fertilizer area to get my organic fertilizer for my vegetable garden.

    All the way at the end of the store, I heard a coughing sound.  A continuous cough.  Next thing, here comes that cough in my direction.  It was a Home Depot employee and she was spewing cough everywhere, not even covering.  I heard her proclaim, "my throat is burning!"

    I hollered in her direction, "you need to get a mask on."  She said, "it's just the fertilizer.  It makes my throat burn."  She continued coughing.  She probably got within 3 meters in distance from me when I turned and ran out of the store.

    There is absolutely no recognition of any consideration for Covid-19 here.  I will never go into public again in Brunswick.  The criminally lack of education and misinformation is going to result in a lot of infections and deaths.

    I am so angry and freaking out!

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 9:17am

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    Can you summarize hour long video lecture

    Truth9834, I would like to learn what this doc's experiences are but do not want to invest 55 minutes in listening to someone I have not heard of before.

    Can you summarize his recommendations and the strength of his evidence.

    Concise and written are easiest to overview new data.  Then if VERY interested, I can go bak and invest 1 hour to hear the full presentation.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 9:29am

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    no sense of humor ?

    I was replying to a post by Dtrammel, a meme of pasta with hot dogs.....

    Not making any grand dietary remommendations !  When you prep, throw in a few silly comfort foods, weither that be hot dogs, cajun sausage, veggie dogs, chocolate or peeps chicks..... jeze

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 9:31am

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    Info on getting a stimulus check

    The Obamacare website had some glitches, wonder how the new Stimulus C- Virus website will work?

     

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 9:33am

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    sand puppy, i'm like you, time is at a premium

    I just did a brief scan through for a couple of minutes.  From what I extracted, the salient points are as follows.

    A treatment protocol:

    Treatment: Hydroxychoroquine 400 bid day 1 then 400 mg. qd x 6 days. Zpack.
    Supplements: vitamin C 2000 mg., vitamin D3 5000 IU, zinc 15 mg., copper 1 mg.
    And then there's a summary at about 44:35.
    Will take you a minute or two to look at this.  Hope I saved you some time.  I know you've done us all a tremendous service with your posts.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 9:37am

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    tkocou

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    Germany is not the only country doing it right

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 9:40am

    Truth9834

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    Can you summarize hour long video lecture?

    It is not difficult to skip through parts of the video rather than listen to the whole video. That said, the doctor discusses his treatment plan for all of his coronavirus patients. He uses hydroxychloroquine, Z pack, along with Zinc, Vitamin C, Vitamin D and copper (you may want to jump to 19:30 where he goes through the treatment approach used for his first patient using this approach). From his experience with his patients this medication treatment plan works as it makes a significant positive difference to a patients health.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 9:42am

    #78

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    Nexstrain: Genomic epidemiology of novel coronavirus

    Today I came across a very cool website called Nexstrain that is tracking strains of the coronavirus across the world.  It is very interesting to see the virus transmission from place to place as well as the diversity.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 9:49am

    fdswartz

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    Germany's antibody testing

    Germany does have the right idea in identifying the people who are already immune to the Wuhan disease.   This is not Ebola which had almost no asymptomatic cases.  70-80 % of Wuhan disease patients are asymptomatic and never knew they were infected.  If the asymptomatic group multiplies exponentially like the number of deaths, I would expect there to be millions of Americans to be already immune to this virus already.  We'll know better this month when the fingerstick antibody tests are rolled out in the US.  Maybe a vaccine won't be that important.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 10:01am

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    Treatment approach - MD video

    I quickly jumped through the video.  This MD is touting good success on his small group of patients using, for those in the worst shape, a combination of hydroxychloroquine/Zithro/Zinc supplementation.  Unlike Dr. Zelenko in NY who is using 220 mg daily Zinc, this MD is using only the RDA of 15 mg..  he mentions the Copper issue, but in my mind he is way too concerned about this in the course of a short term treatment.. nevertheless he seems to be getting good results even with the very minimal level of Zinc supplementation.

    His admonition is, "treat sooner than later".  He describes one case where he wanted to prescribe the hydroxy regimen to a 39 year old female with asthma, and the pharmacist actually tried to block him from using it.. this just goes to show you how politicized this issue has become since Trump touted hydroxychloroquine nationally.  This doctor obviously understand what the hydroxyC is doing in adding Zinc.. yet we still see many actors in the system speaking out against hydroxyC in their politicized ignorance.  It's just an ionophore for Zinc.  That's what it's doing.  It's simple and not open for debate.  The problem is, if a person is in full blown ARD - the chances of walking that back with any drug is low.

    The message from Dr. Zelenko, and from this doctor, is to treat sooner rather than later with this combination.  Both doctors appear to be using less hydroxychloroquine that was used in the original French study.. so they are treading lightly.  I think it's very encouraging that this appears to work, even with such a low Zinc supplement level.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 10:16am

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    India is being more practical about use of the hydroxychloroquine regimen

    I recall that in one of Chris' video's last week he highlighted the fact that India had decided to apply the hydroxyC regimen prophylactically to health care workers - bravo for them.

    https://actascientific.com/ASPE/pdf/ASPE-03-0238.pdf

    Potential Armamentarium to Contain COVID-19 Pandemic in Developing
    Countries: Be Prepared and Act Timely!

    Potential role (Zinc) in COVID-19 infection
    Increasing the concentration of intracellular zinc with zinc
    ionophores like pyrithione has been reported to efficiently impair
    the replication of a variety of RNA viruses [15]. In addition, the
    combination of zinc and pyrithione at low concentrations inhibits
    the replication of SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV) [16,17]. Recently
    chloroquine has also been documented to increase Zinc absorption
    and combination of the two drugs has been proposed as an effective regimen for COVID-19 infection though large scale RCTs are
    required to confirm this observation [7].

    Edit:  Just FYI, Zinc pyrithione is the form used in my favorite shampoo - head and shoulders.  It does not seem to be available in supplement form, and I am not clear on whether it would be safe in any event.  I have read the study that the authors are referencing and it just really acts as further proof of the efficacy of Zinc supplementation in general

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 10:20am

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    Tony McPherson

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    Tony McPherson said:

    Perfect example of community spread.  I live about 50 miles from Albany GA.  This started in late February around here.  It dispels two myths : one that black or brown people are immune,  the other is that it will not spread in hot weather.  We have had one of the warmest springs in memory.  I suspect that spread around is more due to lack of social distancing than from touching surfaces.  I don't know what viral pathogen can live outside for long periods of time around here. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/us/coronavirus-funeral-albany-georgia.html

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 10:22am

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    karenf

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    Thank you kayth, PhilH and BBQ MD

    I appreciate your help!  You got it for me!

    Karen

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 10:43am

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    DaveZ - question for you

    I am with you in WA.. why do you hypothesize that herd immunity might be behind the slower burn that is clearly happening here?  I have been watching the stat's down here in Clark county, just across the Columbia from Portland, OR, and what I find really interesting is the number of negative tests.  I don't think we are seeing herd immunity.. IMO what we are seeing is the result of an earlier State wide address of the problem based on us having one of the first clusters (The Kirkland senior facility) in the country.  That was a real WAKE UP CALL.  I think that has helped WA to flatten the curve. When I go to the supermarket, even though I am still one of the few wearing a mask, everybody is quite careful to stay distanced.

    As of Sunday, here is what Clark County is reporting;

    90 confirmed cases cumulative

    6 deaths cumulative

    653 negative test results

    That does not look like herd immunity to me.

    https://www.columbian.com/news/2020/mar/29/eight-more-people-test-positive-for-covid-19-in-clark-county/

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 11:03am

    George Karpouzis

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    Wow people here are really retarded

    Yeah man you need to lay low

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 11:11am

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    six minutes of Dr. Zelenko and his hydroxychloroquine protocol

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz53By6WeGE

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 11:25am

    #87

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    WSJ opinion piece by Doctors promoting Hydroxychloroquine use

    A three minute summary

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX85mTcjwH0

    Use it EARLY!  Before ARD

    Note that this can likely work even without Zn supplementation since most people get some from diet.. but still, it should be used with Zinc.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 12:31pm

    #88

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    China: 21 million Cell Phone Accounts Vanished

    Laowhy86 talks about how China Mobile (-7M) and other providers lost a total of 21 million cell phone subscriptions in Q1 2020.  First time ever the number of accounts actually dropped among all providers.

    Did the subs die?  Nobody knows.

    No doubt me mentioning this lad's name will encourage the CCP Internet Warriors to appear to try and discredit what he is saying.  That's all part of the fun, I guess.  The CCP really hates laowhy86.

    This is a fascinating data leak from within the enigmatic Black Hole O Information that is CCP-controlled China.

    18-minute video - data discussed within the first 3 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1F_kWYdqUY

    At roughly 8:00, he also discusses a job opening (apparently still open) at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, dealing with exploring bat viruses, and it includes a discussion of "the main research directions of the research group":

    "Taking bats as the research object, I will answer the molecular mechanism that can coexist with Ebola and SARS -associated corona virus for a long time without disease, and its relationship with flight and longevity.  Virology, immunology, cell biology, and multiple omics are used to compare the differences between humans and other mammals."

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 12:35pm

    drbrucedale

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    Zicam for Zinc??

    The over-the-counter cold medicine Zicam (or its generic equivalents) has lots of zinc in the form of zinc gluconate. I have been using it for a long time and it definitely shortens the intensity and duration of colds, as advertised. As long as you stick at or below their recommended dosages, you should be safe taking zinc in this way. Just a suggestion that might help our PP tribe.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 1:09pm

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    MariaDWhite

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    Improvised face mask design

    This design is based on the one by Dato et al in Simple Respiratory Mask, Emerg Infect Disease 2006 Jun; 12(6): 1033–1034. Available online at:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3373043/

    The filtering mechanism is simply eight layers of cotton T-shirt cloth. It’s clear that each additional layer provides extra protection. However, this design isn’t very wearable and the fit to the face is doubtful.

    For the purposes of providing additional protection to people who may be exposed to a virus transmissible by droplets or aerosols, I propose the following design for an improvised face mask. This mask should never be worn as an alternative to standard social distancing precautions, but only to minimize further the risk.

    The mask is made up of a square with a side of roughly 12.5cm / 5 inches, made up of four to six layers of cotton T-shirt cloth, as thick as is available. (I personally found eight layers unworkable, but it would be better). The layers should alternate between horizontal and vertical weave. The cloth should be boiled before making the mask to maximize shrinkage and disinfect it.

    A gardening wire (or any other similar wire that is unaffected by water) is bent in the shape of a square with a side of roughly 10.5cm / 4 ¼ inches. Put it inside the cloth square, bend the borders of the cloth square and sew it in place. By hand it’s easiest to sew the thread in a helix around the wire, by sewing machine any style will do as long as the machine is able to do the thickness.

    The mask is worn diamond-shape, covering the nose and mouth and with the bottom corner bent below the chin. The borders of the mask should be carefully fit to the shape of the face, by bending the wire. The fit is good if it is a little harder to breathe through the mask than without it, because that means most of the air is coming through the mask and not from the sides. Elastic bands should be tied to the two corners of the diamond and the middle of the sides, in order to hold the mask on to the ears.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 1:23pm

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    Advocating for proper disability language etiquette (again)

    Hello George - re your reply to #43

    Please consider the following as a replacement for your comment: "Wow people here are really obtuse.

    As a person with a disability as well as being an Accessibility Consultant, I like to encourage people to stop using the "R" word as it has long fallen out of use in the manner you have used it since that is viewed as being highly derogatory. There are many who think this is political correctness run amok. I beg to differ. It is all fun and games when one does not understand the effects, or have the lived experience of being on the receiving end. Discriminatory language remains a huge issue in society. I try to do my small part to capitalize on opportunities to educate and change behaviours.

    Thank you for your consideration and willingness to help be a part of the solution.

    Jan

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 1:25pm

    Yoxa

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    Missing subscribers

    Did the subs die? Nobody knows.

    My theory would be that many of the missing subscribers are alive but broke.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 1:29pm

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    French connexion

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    gaining traction

    Espoir de guérison 😂🤣

    Posted by Isabelle Loubeyre on Tuesday, March 31, 2020

     

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 1:45pm

    #94

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    Learnings from Germany AND from chameleons

    If animals can wash their hands then why can't we? Don't make me post a training video of a masked chameleon next.

     

     

    Chameleon demonstrates how to hand wash

    Let this be a reminder to wash your hands! 😉Maybe use a bit more soap than Zeke does though.📹: @zeke.the.chameleon on Instagram www.instagram.com/zeke.the.chameleon/

    Posted by ABC Northern Tasmania on Monday, March 30, 2020

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 1:48pm

    vshelford

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    Re Maybe Canada too I hope

    Yes, I just caught that article too - glad to see it.  When the CBC starts taking direct issue with the official line, it looks like change drifting in.  Although she's not easy to read, I've had the feeling that Dr. Tam is almost on auto-pilot these days - says what the directives give her to say.  It was word for word what our fire chief said when I asked her about masks a month or so ago - she had an almost "don't blame me" look as she said, that this is what the CDC and WHO says, and they're the ones I take my information from.  So as the economic and human damage increases, maybe the penny will drop that a way to operate in the world with increased safety is better than complete lockdown for everyone.  Who knows, but not, apparently, the WHO.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 2:12pm

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    Face masks efficacy

    The facemask policy in Czechia, Austria and, now, Jena is new in these places, so difficult to determine whether this is a "solution". Although it seems like a no brainer, there is still a lot we don't know about the virus. If anyone sees data showing that a mandatory face mask policy works, please post a link here.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 2:25pm

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    ao

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    German engineering to the rescue

    Mercedes F1 engineers adapt CPAP mask for use with CV patients in 100 hours.

    https://www.autoweek.com/news/technology/a31977866/mercedes-f1-reengineers-cpap-mask-for-covid-19/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_aut&utm_medium=email&date=033120&utm_campaign=nl19886692&utm_term=Day%207%20Smart%20List

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 2:26pm

    vshelford

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    Re Improvised face mask design

    Hi Maria - I don't mean to put down this design, as it has interesting features, but 8 layers?  Or even 6?  I have difficulty breathing through two layers.  I'd pass out if I tried this design.  Maybe your Ts are thinner than mine, but even so, this may be a serious issue.  If it is that thick, most of the air will be forced in around the sides of the mask, not through it, so the protection level will plummet.  Seems to me you're better with one or two layers, taking a chance on the odd viral particle getting through (and getting infected with a very low viral load), than all the air (and virus) coming in around the sides.  Am I missing something?

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 2:59pm

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    Deaths

    Its starting to bloom - We are starting to see critical mass.    Deaths numbers are becoming really big.  ( will make flu deaths look small very soon )

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 3:04pm

    nordicjack

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    avoiding a vent is critical

    once on a vent, you are 85% likely to die.  Avoiding them at all costs - early care..  is paramount.   I hope this can be more mainstream.  as a preventative rather than a rescue.   ( I think here - its better to use early on ) if we can get 1000 per day produced - that is good news.    But US could only see a couple hundred of those.. but still a big deal.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 3:18pm

    Sparky1

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    Chris' newest video, live now: "The Economic 'Rescue' is Shafting Us" (3/31/20)

    Coronavirus: The Economic 'Rescue' Is Shafting Us (3/31/20)

    https://youtu.be/-5bTkoHt-kk

     

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 3:52pm

    vshelford

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    Re Freaking out and angry at Home Depot

    Don't blame you Steve, that sounds incredible at this late stage of the general awareness. Is Home Depot a franchise? I'm wondering because the one my husband went to this morning in Nanaimo seemed to be really well organized. He found what he needed on their website, phoned in his order and paid for it by phone, drove there where there were signs in the parking lot telling pre-orders where to park and what phone number to call from the parking lot.  Which he did, and a few minutes later someone came out with his order, checked his ID at a distance, put it in the back of the truck for him, and he drove away.  I'm wondering if it's worth calling your lot and suggesting something like this?  Obviously doesn't work if people need to shop in person for some reason, but surely it would cut down the number of people in the store at least.  Nothing much you can do for the lady with the cough, though...

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 4:01pm

    Captain Queeg

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    RE: bbtruth

    to bbtruth:

    "Yeah yeah we get it, you’re a vegan…go eat a carrot.  Doesn’t look to me like you have ever done a pushup in your life."

    This type of response/comment does not add any value to the conversation and indicates a lack of emotional intelligence. If you can't add anything of value, personal attacks only make you look small.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 4:17pm

    BlueMarble

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    big pharm and their influence....

    do you think big pharm could be suppressing the hydroxychloroquine efficacy?  finding a "new" med could be a cash cow for them.  If already existing treatments are effective the possibility for a windfall goes away....

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 4:37pm

    skipr

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    Social Security

    Meanwhile back behind the scenes I just noticed that my Social Security payments have been cut by 15%.  So much for Trump's heroic tax cut for the 99%.  I wonder how long before it becomes patriotic to get zero.  You are with us or against us.  Will free speech become an act of terror?  We don't want our poor bankers to go on food stamps do we?  Have some compassion little people.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 4:37pm

    sofistek

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    Exponential

    The increase since March 29 is incredible. We're now 130,000 more than the data Chris presented and the US has 40,000 extra cases.

    The ratio of deaths to resolved cases, in Germany is currently 4.5%.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 4:46pm

    Sparky1

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    Same lame argument for PPE gloves for laypersons as masks

    Very frustrating to see this argument making the rounds on MSM. Solution: health authorities and MSM could educate people about proper donning and doffing of gloves (not hard): recommended use especially if one has cuts, sores or other broken skin on hands; wash hands with soap and water before donning;  don't touch face, hair, eyes, etc. when wearing gloves; use hand sanitizer after donning and after grocery store visit; dispose of properly.

    Next-up:  glove-shaming. :-/

    You Shouldn't Be Wearing Gloves to Go Grocery Shopping
    "It's totally unnecessary—and it may even be bad for you."

    https://www.menshealth.com/health/a31996093/gloves-grocery-shopping/

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 4:46pm

    US Strength

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    President Trump Just Praised Strong Dollar

    Wow! - looks like Larry Kudlow has now converted the President to the value of King Dollar as a center piece of American economic power.  In White House Task Force briefing that just finished Trump seemed to be gloating over the strength of the US dollar  - you could see the cogs ticking over in his head - obviously a plan has been devised to exploit the role of the US dollar as the World's reserve currency.  Could someone (who has the necessary skills) please grab and post a snip of this comment it was around 6.55pm Eastern.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 4:57pm

    Barbara

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    Antibody tests

    Germany is planning to do antibody testing to release people for normal work (not beach parties, I hope).  It only works if people must have a clear marking mechanism to show that you've been tested and found you already had the disease. Armbands or wearable picture ID's should be required to get out of lockdown.  And of course, still facemasks.

    And to those who demand privacy, stay home forever then.  The rest of us have the right to know who is/is not likely to be infected.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 5:28pm

    SagerXX

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    The view from Maui

    We have the whole gamut here:  people who are carrying on as if nothing is up, and folks in all sorts of PPE gear at CostCo and WholeFoods.  I'm somewhere in between, hit the beach with my son yesterday, baring (most of) my skin to the sweet hot sun, and then mask and gloves when I must be in a public place, using ionic silver to decon after -- but overall limiting very strongly my public activities.  One trip a week to shop (am helping 3-4 different 'ohanas ["family" groups that include blood relations and chosen family] stay supplied so that they have one more remove between their elders/vulnerable members and potential infection), but that trip involves a number of stops including gas station.  I have little doubt I've been exposed (reasonably sure I actually had a subclinical case of COVID back in January after a trip to LA).  Just don't want to pass it along.

    My lady love and I are doing the love-at-a-distance thing since she is a primary help-mate to her elderly parents and I cannot be separated from probable sources of infection -- I provide daycare to my son 7x/week and his mother is an RN working in an environment that is surely compromised.  Love in the time of coronavirus:  see you 2 weeks after we get the all-clear, sweetie (June?)!.  Not happy about that, but if this doesn't establish my bona fides as a quality dude with her and her fam, then nothing will....

    Plenty of holes in the supply scene here -- then again, we are on the most remote landmass on earth, the supply chain is a little wonky even during normal times.  But overall we have what we need.  Especially those of us who twigged to this clusterf#*^ back in late January...

    Spending time at my (shuttered) business catching up on paperwork, deep-cleaning equipment and studio space, applying for SBA funds.  You know, standard viral pandemic stuff.  Also writing, working out like mad, doing my Tai Ji/Qi Gong and practicing the ukulele.

    As AKGranny and Yagasaj (apologies, I can never get that name correkt) have been discussing, this is also a grand opportunity to re-evaluate life and living and what it all means.  And if you spend any serious amount of time around me at all, I will eventually bend your ear about how getting into right relationship with your eventual demise is the key to really understanding your life.  They say that hunger is the finest seasoning.  Well, death gives life meaning, intensity, and urgency.  Nothing will help you appreciate the endless small pleasures surrounding you as much as letting your eventual death ride shotgun with you.  To paraphrase the mostly-misunderstood "Fight Club" -- After I understood my mortality, the sound of all the BS in my life got turned way down.

    That's what I can add to their wisdom.  So far today (only 2 pm here in Hawai'i), I've taken pleasure in the sight of misty rain falling in the Iao Valley, the smell of fresh-turned earth, my 3 year-old son's silky curly hair -- and the way he makes teeny little snuffling sounds sometimes when he naps, a well-written country tune ("Some of It"), goofy wordplay in texting my lady, and runny egg yolks.  None of those things lose their beauty just because some virus is run amok.  We threaten our own humanity when we relinquish the chance to enjoy it all simply because there's some bad sh!t loose in the world.  Really, when was the last time there wasn't?

    Order up your NAC, your quercetin and glutathione, and N95s, and pore over the data for clues as to how best to proceed.  But get your hind ends up out of the chair and GO DO/SEE/SING/DANCE/LIVE as well.  Use the virus as a spur to deeper enjoyment of everything.  I find it helps if I imagine my grandparents (who lived through the Great Depression and WWII) are watching.  Talk about perspective...

    May fortune smile upon us all!

    VIVA -- Sager

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:01pm

    BillL

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    Les...save your breath.

    It all that has happened over the last couple of months, it amazes me how much normalcy bias at this site.

    Yet you blather the animal ag thing.  That life is over...forever.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:21pm

    Rajkumarijay

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    SS checks cut?

    How is that possible? I know I get those notices in the mail with the estimated monthly payments but how can it be cut 15%? We have spent a lifetime paying into the system. This is our money that has been “saved” for us over the years. I am stunned.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:22pm

    kunga

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    Eastern Oregon

    Got rocked this afternoon by the 6.5 earthquake north of Boise, ID.  And they told me we don't have quakes, here.

    690 confirmed cases, 18 deaths, mostly on the western side of the state.  However, our three SE counties have been confirmed case free till today.  One case in Malheur county, close to Idaho border.  Boise has quite a few cases.  My speculation is maybe person flew into Boise airport.  Both cities, east and west of me with decent sized airports have increasing confirmed cases.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 6:53pm

    MQ

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    Good old soap and water disrupts the outer covering of the coronavirus

    this works for hands, no reason why is doesn't work for clothes

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/12/science-soap-kills-coronavirus-alcohol-based-disinfectants

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 8:16pm

    ao

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    skipr, you've got me concerned here

    Is your Social Security benefit for retirement, disability, or supplemental income?  Was there a change in your Medicare premium?  I haven't heard anything about an across the board 15% cut.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 8:35pm

    Jim H

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    I gotta write that down Sager...

    Nothing will help you appreciate the endless small pleasures surrounding you as much as letting your eventual death ride shotgun with you.

    Simple, eloquent.  Well said.  I took my step daughter to a Hibachi restaurant maybe six weeks ago.. was thinking how I am really going to miss, "normal".  And I do.

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 8:45pm

    BlauGloriole

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    Would you believe this....

    Covid19 yet to impact Europe’s overall mortality

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/30/covid19-yet-to-impact-europes-overall-mortality/

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  • Tue, Mar 31, 2020 - 9:29pm

    sofistek

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    Overall death numbers

    That's interesting. I wonder if the fact that so many people are simply not out and about, especially not in vehicles, is countering the deaths. However, the hospital occupancy rate might be a better metric to investigate.

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 1:40am

    Krollchem

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    lowballing the pandemic risk

    It appears that the Trump administration is seriously underestimating to consequences of the COVID-19 epidemic. Trump and even the Democratic leaning mainstream media are citing the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) model at the University of Washington for projected hospital use and the death rates from each mitigation approach. This model projects that 93,765 US residents will die of COVID19 by August 4, 2020 (death rate of 0.025%).
    https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections.

    Interesting that this IHME model projects only 1233 deaths in Washington State, out of a population of 7.8 million (0.015% death rate). Use of PPE is very low in most of Washington; for example in Clallam County only about 8% are wearing masks or gloves, with only about 2% wearing both. The potential deaths in Clallam county should exceed the IHME projection for the state based on a lack of PPE and population of 71,404 with half of the residents over 59 years of age.

    For Washington State alone, another model projects 116,000 deaths out of a population of 7.8 million (70% infection rate and a death rate of 1%) based on shelter in place for three months. https://covidactnow.org/

    Perhaps this contrast will be useful in an analysis of the projected impact of COVID-19 on the US population.

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  • Wed, Apr 01, 2020 - 5:58am

    albacore

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    Getting off ventilator alive (reply to nordicjack)

    The UK Guardian had a report that the UK experience was 50% survival of ventilation.

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 8:32am

    Crashguru

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    German Facts

    At the Ernst-von-Bergmann-Klinikum in Potsdam, every fifth patient and 18 employees are now infected with coronavirus. Seven people have already died. In the hospital, which supplies half a million people in Brandenburg, a virus outbreak has surprisingly occurred. / Source: Guidants News

    The Robert Koch Institute in Berlin changed its mind today and is now recommending every one to wear a mask .

    Those are the real scientists. Create a hypothesis and then wait until it gets falsified...

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  • Thu, Apr 02, 2020 - 1:48pm

    kevinoman0221

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    where to get bcg vaccine?

    Does anyone know where to actually get a BCG vaccine? I have called 3 pharmacies and 2 doctor's offices in Northern California and every one has said they don't offer it and don't have a clue who would.

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