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    Fauci: Lab Data “Worth the Risk” of a Pandemic

    Virologists go into hyper cover-up mode...
    by Whitney

    Tuesday, June 8, 2021, 6:40 PM

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Anthony Fauci
is on record in 2012 as saying that the value of knowledge gained from creating a pandemic virus that escapes from a lab would be worth the risk. Now that it seems highly probable that a lab escape did happen, the virologists who met with Fauci in the early moments of the crisis to discuss — well, we don’t know what — are now supporting a wall of “It Was of Natural Origin!” articles being placed in sympathetic journals and newspapers.  And in Drosten’s case, offering possible natural origins that are so utterly ridiculous as to be of high comedic value.

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  • Tue, Jun 08, 2021 - 6:41pm

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    Whitney

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    Coming soon...

    Premiering in 20 minutes! Stay tuned for Part 2 after...

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  • Tue, Jun 08, 2021 - 7:30pm

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    Lab-leak hypothesis has some unsavory advocates. Why?

    While I agree that the scientific case for the lab-leak hypothesis is pretty strong, it's nevertheless becoming a left-right litmus test. And some of the strongest, most prominent advocates of the lab-leak hypothesis are also some of the most unsavory.

    For example, Nicholas Wade is widely renowned for his recent article which appeared in Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. But he's also famous as the author of a dubious 2014 book arguing for the biological superiority of the white race.

    US intelligence agencies came up with the rather unconvincing argument that three employees at the Wuhan lab sought treatment for covid-like symptoms in November 2019. This was offered without any serious statistical analysis about the likelihood that three employees in such a large institute, would simply come down with bad colds. And then it was written up in the Wall Street Journal by Michael Gordon, the same reporter who falsely asserted in 2002 that Iraq was building a nuke. In other words, the same reporter who was perhaps singularly most responsible for creating the false narrative about WMD in Iraq, which justified the invasion.

    And of course, there's Donald Trump, now calling for China to pay $10 TRILLION in reparations, and without any self-consciousness that the USA was at least equally responsible for what's happening.

    The World Socialist Website is having a field day with this, see:

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/07/wade-j07.html

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/01/wuha-j02.html

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/07/trmp-j07.html

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  • Tue, Jun 08, 2021 - 8:11pm

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    Netlej

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    Natural source or CHINA!!!

    This discussion is not about true origin, it is either natural origin or CHINA DID IT!

    In case anyone still doesn't know Spanish Flu had nothing to do with Spain.....Hello????

    FACT! - There are dozens, maybe hundreds of labs around the world capable of manipulating virions.

    FACT! - There are documented samples of the SarsCov2 virus in blood samples from multiple locations around the world dating months before the first reported CHINA outbreak.

    I'm not saying that China is innocent but until these issues are addressed it all looks like a big Blame CHINA Op.

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  • Tue, Jun 08, 2021 - 8:17pm

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    Ron Fouchier

    Not sure if you’ve covered this guy Chris. Very interesting history on GoF research and his email (and more importantly his “notes”) has been redacted from the teleconference email.
    I’m guessing his notes would be very revealing? Cheers,

    Tim

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/02/exclusive-controversial-experiments-make-bird-flu-more-risky-poised-resume

     

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  • Tue, Jun 08, 2021 - 9:05pm

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    coh said:

    Wow, Kristian deleted his twitter account. I guess he got tired of blocking literally everyone else, so he just decided to block himself. Wonder how many others will follow his lead. Angie, next up? LOL.

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  • Tue, Jun 08, 2021 - 9:10pm

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    Conspiracy or Cock-up?

    I usually go for Cock-up, but there are factors that persuade me that this is The Conspiracy of conspiracies.

    • The population exponential growth and the fact that these spike proteins concentrate on our (very inefficient) breeding apparatus.
    • We are a gain-of-function organism. (Someone's domestic creature) The differences between us and the apes can be plausibly explained if it is posited that our Other Ancestors were Porcine. (Credit: Hybridologist, Dr. Eugene McCarthy.)
    • The effective media control, the effect of which is to delay the truth getting out. (Until the problem became a predicament)

    These factors reinforce my Model that this situation is the part of the Alien Plan. (Credit: Historian Dr. David Jacobs)

    The question then becomes; what is their next move?

    I thank the Wr-alda. This is hugely entertaining.

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  • Tue, Jun 08, 2021 - 9:19pm

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    Carl Johnson said:

    I have heavy doubts about what is going on. In addition to the scientists covering we learned that teh NSC shutdown any investigation into the lab leak theory as reported in Vanity Fair this week. I have looked at the NIH records that connects the Wuhan lab and have to ask why they did this 5 year project through a third party which is unusual. In past work in china the NIH funded directly. I have yet to see any evidence that the Wuhan lab was doing GOF research, at least with this funding. Teh research paper that Chris had referred to had Dr Shi name on it but her name was last (just before Barics which is the place of the project organizer) and in the paper it explicitly states that Dr. Shi contribution was sequencing which is inline with the ECOHEALTH NIH project. They were paid to survey bat virus. So there is nothing that tells me that Wuhan was directly doing GOF works. Fauci clearly stated this work was not being done in China but in North Carolina. Also China was only paid 600k of the 7million dollars of the NIH funding. Where die that money go. No one is asking.

    The biggest red flag is the NSC of the US injecting themselves into the virus investigation and shutting it down.

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  • Tue, Jun 08, 2021 - 9:37pm

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    Ad hominems and Pavlov.

    But he's also famous as the author of a dubious 2014 book arguing for the biological superiority of the white race.

    I see that "Racism" has been brought into the topic.

    Who should I send my money to, to buy absolution?

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  • Tue, Jun 08, 2021 - 9:41pm

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    The thing that bothered me the most about the video was this. Fauci talked as if the decision to go ahead with this research should be made by the "experts" but then these decisions should be fully explained to the everyone else.

    I don't see it that way.

    I am sick and tired of supposed "experts" making decisions on issues which might affect my well being and the well being of those I love.

    Fauci's arrogance on that issue was appalling.

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  • Tue, Jun 08, 2021 - 9:57pm

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    This is a globalist endeavor....don’t get stuck on China.

    Would you please reference the earliest blood sample with sarscov2.  And please give the date. I appreciate factual data.
    by the way....I think this is much greater than a “country” issue. These people like Fauci and the Bat lady are all globalists.....country of origin is irrelevant.

    However if a government hides a pandemic and allows it to spread ....it then becomes a national issue.

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  • Tue, Jun 08, 2021 - 10:29pm

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    Carl Johnson said:

    I have doubts that China is in "the circle" if one exists. Why?

    The  only thing I have found that China was paid for by the NIH was to survey bat virus in China (they received $600k of $7.1million over 5 years for this)

    The GOF paper referenced (Baric paper) clearly stated Dr Shi provided sequencing data.

    No Chinese were part of the email Chain to initiate a cover up

    The Chinese also published a paper stating the virus appeared manmade. Why do this when the co-conspirators were circling wagons around natural evolution?

    China would not have disclosed the outbreak in China and provided data on the virus. They would have blamed it on Vaping too (EVALI that broke out only in the US and had the same symptoms including broken glass CT lung scans that to this day cannot be explained)

    So the above tells me that China was outside of this "cover up". They may still be covering something up but they seem outside of the main group.

    And we wont go into why the NSC was involved to shut down lab leak inquiries

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 12:00am

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    Dontknownothin said:

    And that's where the conversation gets hyjacked by paid proponents of china...

    To pretend that the samples weren't collected in China, housed in China, with Chinese scientists deeply involved in the research, under the hyper-vigilant eye of the Chinese government, in a Chinese facility, under Chinese guard and then saying it originated in the US is a very dubious assertion, but is one the CCP has already been pushing even as citizen journalists were being rounded up and disappeared in January of 2020 to keep the story under wraps. So its shocking to see it penetrating the message boards here.

     

    Without a doubt China was a huge participant in this. My question is why my goddamn government had its fingers in that operation playing nice with an enemy state that has for the last thirty years had the open secret plan to destroy the US. Why were my tax dollars going to fund a Chinese weapons research laboratory at ALL? The question isn't whether China was responsible, it definitely was, it is exactly their MO. The question is how deeply involved was the US government. Because my thoughts on it are to sharpen the guillotine. But once the baskets are full, its time to end the cancer of chinese communism and the atrocities they commit every year unopposed. If this is the catalyst that opens peoples eyes to the horrors of that system then so be it. But there's little doubt as to their culpability or their atrocities. I'm not sure we should wait to see the mountain of Uighur shoes next to the ovens to say enough is enough, but if that's what it took to convince the Germans living next to the camps that they were the badguys, then that may be what needs to happen here too. Equivocate, quibble, marginalize and ignore China's role if you like, but they WERE responsible. My question is how deep into the US government do we need purge to excise all the cancer this corruption has wrought.

    I think a lot of US officials from the last two administrations and all their traitorous private sector ilk need to be waterboarded til we know what went on, and then the heads should literally roll. But then China is next. That's just how it goes.

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 1:03am

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    gturn234 said:

    This "China is not responsible" stuff is absolutely crazy to me. Do these arguments work where you live?

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 2:51am

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    Some minor suggestions on the messaging

    Hi Chris,

    I like what you are doing. It is really important to arm people with the right questions and concerns. For example, I assume there are journalists impacted by your analysis. There are two points I would like to make, hopefully they are constructive.

    1) You must be very annoyed with the arrogance of the people involved in the cover-up but this is just a personality trait. The key message I see you promoting is integrity, why these people are so annoying is because they are the opposite of that i.e. they are deceptive and dishonest (antonyms of integrity). I think your message would be much stronger if you compared behavior that is demanded of scientists taking risks (i.e. integrity) with the behavior of these people (i.e. deceptive and/or dishonest). This pushes them out from under the protective blanket of researcher/scientist, they lost that right when they behaved deceptively.

    2) Please do not normalize this behavior. In the video at 26:52 you say something like: if you were China you would hide the evidence too. That is not demonstrating integrity, China should have been transapraent on the science and shared whatever data they had. Even from a geo-political level it is a major blunder, they could have thrown Western virologists under the bus too with the implication of the USA and the other Western enablers (e.g.  France built the P4 lab for them and transfered the tech). They could have painted it out to be the work of a rougue scientist to limit political damage, the most important point was to give the world warning that this virus was not going to be like our previous experience with coronaviruses.

    Thanks for all your work. Like you I am disgusted by the scientific establishment and we need analysis like yours to enable the right questions. We can never completely separate facts from values (it is already values that influence which facts are searched for and reported on) To see how immoral these scientists are is damming and should raise many more questions about what else is going on in biology and other fields of research with serious risks (I am particularly concerned about AI).

    Regards,

    Mark

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 3:00am

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    MarkNZed said:

    One concern is that nation states are just another way to divide people. Most Americans do not support the worst actions of the USA government. Most Chinese do not support the worst actions of the Chinese government.

    There is a middle class in China just as large as the middle class in the USA, they are going to be squeezed by the same international dynamics. The middle class in China and the USA have more concerns in common than they do with their own ruling elite.

    The Russia vs USA or China vs USA etc is a simple way of stopping people from taking the analysis further.

    For sure the Chinese government is not democtratic but neither is the USA government. For sure China is a surveillance state, but so is the USA (with a much larger investment in surveillance of the world population than the Chinese).

    Different tactics but they are playing the same game.

    Getting into an argument over which one is worse hides the fact that they are both terrible for the the future  of humanity - the game needs to change.

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 3:26am

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    MarkNZed said:

    I can attempt an answer. There are (obviously) a large number of conspiracies that happened throughout history, this is literally a major theme of historical analysis. If someone is "savoury" it typically means they behave within the limits of the dominant social norms of the time i.e. they are "indoctrinated" like the majority of the population.

    It is only contrarians that can see the early warning signs of a conspiracy and because it is a consipracy they cannot have access to the facts and are more often than not, wrong.

    People who make their living (or identity) by appealing to other contrarians are going to be on the lookout for conspiracy theories. Race exists as a term because it is based on a scientific fact about the diversity of the human genome and geographic clustering. Is there a conspiracy to hide the fact that race is connected to genetics? I don't think so but it is clearly unsavoury to play to the crowd that wants to make race a central theme when interacting with individuals. Things like testing medicines on different races is part of science. It is not useful for society to study some aspects of race. This is a good example of how facts and values can't be separated and good scientists know this.

    It does not matter what a person did or published in the past when it comes to facts that can be independently verified. Those "unsavoury" characters that promoted the lab leak early on did not have anything to lose by doing so and actually had a lot to gain. The average journalist would have simply been fired for going against Fouci - which is why what Fouci has done needs to have the harshest penalities posssible applied.

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 4:06am

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    Mission accomplished.

    The spike protein IS the disease.

    Lady tells it like it is. Millions are going to die.




    EDIT:

    Here is the link.

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 9:15am

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    Well, if this isn’t a smoking gun… (edited)

    Peter Daszak boasts about their ability to create a SARS-like killer virus (link).  Maybe, at this point, they were not aware of the nefarious usefulness for sociopaths and psychopaths...

    Have a great day,

    Dave

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 9:23am

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    DaveDD,

    I listened to that video. Daszak made those remarks before the current pandemic. He basically admits that he was working with the Chinese to develop bat-viruses that could powerfully bind to human receptor cells.

    He was so "matter of fact" about what he was doing. But, now, he is probably cringing that he ever said such things on tape.

    Of course, in the absence of a functioning media, his statements are not getting as wide an audience as they should.

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 9:35am

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    Yep

    Hi Mike,

    You are right. Most people will not see this. And if people do, they will have to resolve their cognitive dissonance...

    Grts, Dave.

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 9:55am

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    Whom do you represent

    So Carl, you join sometime in the early morning hours of June 9, EDT and write 3 posts, all of which are focused on claiming China's innocence.  As far as I am concerned (and probably nearly everyone else here), you are an agent of the CCP until you prove otherwise.  That would be hard to do short of a face to face meeting.

    There is so much more complexity and important topics to discuss than your narrowly focused efforts to proclaim the CCP's innocencel

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 10:06am

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    That’s not what he said

    At least in this video, all he says is that they’re sequencing coronaviruses, taking the spike protein out, and putting it into “pseudoparticles” (likely just meaning small artificial blobs of lipids to hold the spike protein) and then testing to see if they can infect human cells with the goal of finding which viruses are likely to make the jump from animals to humans. They then go out and test whether people already have antibodies to those viruses.

    They may be doing gain-of-function research but not from this video.

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 10:07am

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    That’s not what he said

    Video didn’t say anything about doing gain-of-function research, just described trying to find which spike proteins bind strongly to human cells in order to see which coronaviruses are likely to jump to humans.

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 10:10am

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    DaveDD said:

    Hi exam1n3,

    Thanks for your feedback. Could you explain his words from 0:32 to 0:48 seconds?

    Especially the last statement "with each step you move closer to this virus can become pathogenic to people". What are these steps? Blind trials of yet another natural spike protein? That to me doesn't sound like science but like gambling, there cannot be any convergence towards more infectious viruses.

    Edited: did I mention gain of function?

    Grts, Dave.

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 10:13am

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    Susan7 said:

    Gee, what could go wrong……?

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 10:15am

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    Dontknownothin said:

    @MarkNZed

    Yes, it is true that the Chinese people are not to blame in particular, or that their government has them under constant surveillance and feeding them a constant stream of propaganda to which they are either reluctant participants or naive followers.

     

    In the US, particularly where I live near seattle, there is a huge population of Chinese nationals. I work with and around plenty and in conversation with them, they actually believe the Chinese lies, despite plentiful access to contrary information. Call it what you will there, but those high social credit score individuals China allows to travel, are true believers.

    In China itself is where the sceptics live. And those are the oppressed, those are the lower classes not allowed to work because they don't trust the government, and those are the ones I think you are referring to. They are not the majority, any more than the anti-vaccine crowd anywhere else is. Once companies start requiring vaccination (and it is literally days or weeks away where I'm at) the resistance will break and more people will get vaccinated to their peril. Once the true consequences hit, people by and large will conform no matter what their brain or gut or sense of looming dread and their soul leaving them aghast at the catastrophic decision they have made.

    I don't know if there's been an actual study done on it, but I'd say that less than 10% of people are willing to bear the consequences of their defiance. I haven't yet been tested that way so even I don't know if I have that courage. So even if 10% of nazi's were true believers, and another 30% were supportive, another 20% were reluctant, and another 30% were shamed into serving. A full 90% of their society still participated in the atrocities they committed. So they are not cleansed of their culpability. I think China faces the same ratio and so do all our countries.

    But you're right, there are good people in China who don't buy in, they are just doing what they have to to survive, so to say "China did it" should be known to not include those people. But those who weild the power did, those who blindly support China did. Those who are reluctant followers did, if only through their silence. And those who allowed shame or economic opportunity to silence them did too, if only through their muted objections. In any group there are few who truly stand apart with integrity and clear vision willing and able to endure the forces of compliance, and those who don't aren't treated any more kindly by history. So those good middle class people in China are only there because they are compliant, and they too bear their portion of responsibility, just as we all do for our collective sins.

     

    Edit: This is why we are on this forum to find out our own collective guilt and to purge those who violated our right to a clear conscience. To find the truth and to find out who is guilty, and to punish them, regardless of affiliation. We are here to seek justice for the dead.

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 10:25am

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    Andy in the Sun said:

    Hi Dave,

    unfortunately I have to agree.  A few month ago I read an Pro-Vaccination article (unfortunately I cannot find anymore) where the research doctor enthusiastically praised how fast we came up with an vaccine due to our modern research & gene technology...  and then he said "... and currently due to this advanced technology we are working on vaccines for viruses that even do not exist yet - but potentially in future. In this way we will have vaccines against many viruses ready for deployment immediately and can stop the pandemic right in its track."

    I was flabbergasted... what could go wrong and from where would we know that nature would ever come up with that what we can create? And Covid is probably the first result of this.

    But when I showed this article to a colleague he was pleased to read this, but when I expressed my concern because... how can you verify the efficiency and safety of a vaccine against a virus that does not exist - except you create it - he could not follow me and just brushed my concerns off...

     

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 10:33am

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    pronounce Koopmans

    @Chris:

    "Koop" in Koopmans you pronounce as "cope" as in scope, hope.

    Not as coupe.

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 10:39am

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    He said

    “You create and insert...”

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 10:41am

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    Sars cov2 found in sewage in the spring/summer of 2019 in spain.

    adding this to the discussion.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science-idUSKBN23X2HQ

     

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 10:45am

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    Is this even about china?

    I havent watched the video yet, so may be talking out of hand.  To my mind this should be about virology and GOF and how stupid it would be to do this research.

    Wherever and however it was funded, or who did the work isnt the root issue.  I believe its fairly well established that the US funded a bunch of the work completed at WIV?

     

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 10:57am

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    This is about China and a lot of other things

    If reckless, intentional perhaps criminal activity occurred to complicate, stall, obstruct, mislead and worsen the effect of an already deadly and reckless activity then it indeed should be about those who engaged in all those verbs.  Society erects rules and punishments for activity to hopefully dissuade that activity Accomplice liability is an ancient concept

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 11:00am

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    Dontknownothin said:

    This article makes absolutely no sense when the widespread testing taking place didn't show cases until much later. Once they started looking for it, suddenly they had respiratory cases everywhere? Given the trajectory of the case rate and the steady CFR, the spanish government would have inquired much sooner as to why there was a huge spike in pneumonia like cases, and given their early treatment protocols it would have been a much higher CFR than there was. Unless there is widespread evidence from multiple countries and regions without a bias either way, I think its difficult to say this is conclusive evidence and not cross contamination, especially considering that the sample they received would have been a very tiny fraction of the overall sewage line which when compared to deaths would have been difficult to capture without widespread contamination and the associated deaths that went with it. If the data shows Spanish hospitals overwhelmed by respiratory diseases in early 2020, then it's plausible, but it seems like a narrative to exhonerate the Chinese.

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 11:00am

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    virus history

    Back about a year ago a Dr. Mayer posted a very detailed trail of the virus showing it as most likely lab made. In the time line he talks about the virus being sent to the US for sequencing around 2013.

    Scientific history of RaTG13

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 11:31am

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    Prisoners Dillema & GOF

    With so many problems seen today, Prisoners Dilemma always seems to play such a big role, and yet is isnt talked about much.

    As I watch Fauchi talk during the senate testimony, he may as well just be saying.  We have to persue GOF research because if we dont then china or russia will, so we have to get there first.

    The same dilemma is being played out WRT general AI development.  If we dont develop, then someone else will.

    Same with AGW climate.  If we dont emit, then someone else will and then we lose in the GDP race.

    This is a race to the bottom from what I can tell.

     

     

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 12:10pm

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    Do it yourself GOF lab! Proposing a new inducement theme campaign for the hesitant

    Are you jealous that only the most connected and well paid virologists get to do Gain-of-Function research?  Well, by getting vaccinated with non-sterilizing (means you can still harbor the virus) mRNA, you literally turn your body into a gain-of-function laboratory.  By equipping your body with narrow, spike-protein-based immunity, you put the virus under what is called, "selection pressure"!  This is exciting because you are battling that damn virus right there in your own body!  The evolutionary kinetics are much slower if you fight the virus with natural, naive immunity... so you won't be putting the virus under selection pressure.  Doesn't "selection pressure" sound like something you would like to do to that damn virus?  Well you can!  Get vaccinated today and pressure that damn virus!

    Sarcasm off.  Cases rising in the UK... the population-level serial passage experiment through folks offering spike protein selection pressure is ON folks;

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 12:27pm

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    agnes xyz said:

    To my ear, Chris has a bit of an accent. I think he pronounces this name right within his dialect. To me, his speech flows well, though different from mine and perhaps yours. Maybe ours is wrong.

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 1:21pm

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    Dontknownothin said:

    I'll add some credence to this:

    I'm not sure how widely shared gene sequences and things like the RaTG virus is. I'd think it is pretty prevalent especially when writing research papers and needing peer review and method reproduction to validate results. So the RaTG thing is no smoking gun to me.

     

    But the fact that China is more open to and willing to sacrifice its population, to me makes it a researchers dream when faced with ethical concerns from research control boards. Hence the fauci -> daszak connection. Its the same thing Bill Gates did with AIDS research in Africa. Its easier to test experimental drugs on people outside FDA control and its easier to get to a breakthrough without the inconvenience of ethical reviews etc. Gates was lauded as a great philanthropist until all this. So the benefits are clear as to why US agents were involved in Wuhan. It doesn't explain or excuse their intent or what benefit there was to it given the outcomes, but two years ago this was "just science".

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 1:27pm

    Dontknownothin

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    Accents...

    Sounds like a midwestern->yankee transplant to me. Can't trust em.

     

    Apparently there's a northwest accent too, like a mix of surfer "hey brah" and "aww shucks" midwesterner but I can't hear it. Probably can't trust us either...

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 4:00pm

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    Where did that PRNA insert granting a furin cleavage site come from?

    A little girl asked her mother, "How did the human race appear?" The mother answered, "God made Adam and Eve and they had children, and so was all mankind made.." Two days later the girl asked her father the same question.. The father answered, "Many years ago there were monkeys from which the human race evolved." The confused girl returned to her mother and said, "Mom, how is it possible that you told me the human race was created by God, and Dad said they developed from monkeys?" The mother answered, "Well, dear, it is very simple. I told you about my side of the family and your father told you about his."

     

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  • Wed, Jun 09, 2021 - 5:11pm

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    AndrewOregon

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    More evidence the virus possibly escaped from attenuated vaccine, developed by Baric

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3518599/

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  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 2:16am

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    Hans said:

    The name "Koopmans" is a common name in Dutch. I am Dutch :-). You pronounce the name as Cope mans, not as Coupe mans. Not that it really matters, but in an earlier video Chris was wondering how you pronounce it, so that's why I tell it.

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  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 3:35am

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    @Dontknownothin

    If you substitute the word American for Chinese in your previous message, would you also agree with the statement? Is the problem the vast majority of citizens or is it the system? Is the system benefitting from teaching its citizens that 90% of the other population is complicit and responsible for all the worst events in the history of the system they were born into? It is very easy to spin propaganda about Chinese, and it is very easy to spin propaganda about Americans. Those in positions of power in both societies benefit most from this. If there was not an external enemy, then the government might be held accountable by its own citizens.

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  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 8:29am

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    false equivalence

    Its extremely unlikely that the Chinese citizens could hold their horrible CCP "accountable".   First, they don't have elections.  Second, they'd get sent off to prison for "picking fights and stirring up trouble", their organs harvested - assuming they were healthy, and a match for some CCP official "in need."

    This false equivalence you keep drawing between the CCP ("Socialism with Chinese characteristics" - Xi Thought, etc) and the US system is quite appalling, and it is really starting to make me wonder if you have an employer.  Are you getting 50 cents per post, perhaps?

    While the US has many bad parts, it isn't yet under the complete control of the Oligarchy.  After all, The Bad Orange Man managed to get elected, and hold office for four long years. This was definitely NOT part of the plan.

    Whats more, it is proof that these things aren't set in stone, at least in America.

    Contrast with China.  When someone "gets elected" to replace Pooh, let me know.

    I won't wait up.

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  • Thu, Jun 10, 2021 - 10:31pm

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    Fauci - Public Enemy #1?

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  • Fri, Jun 11, 2021 - 11:44am

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    VAERS Deaths - Underestimated - Why No MSM Reports?

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  • Fri, Jun 11, 2021 - 12:04pm

    Dontknownothin

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    Dontknownothin said:

    @markNZed

    Yes, 100% this applies to all countries and people. The Germans had this problem and the Nuremburg trials show that its not a valid excuse. China holds immense responsibility for this pandemic without a doubt. The thing we all should be finding out is how deeply involved the US and the EU were involved in this pandemics origin.

     

    HOWEVER, as mentioned by Dave Fairtex, in the US we have at least the notion of free elections and accountability. So equivocation is not relevant. Once the US and EU purge the bad actors, we wash the blood off our hands and the real problem can be addressed.

    This guy has a very good perspective of the issues with China as well as a love for the Chinese people. I think he hits both sides of this conversation pretty well.

    https://youtu.be/1aqMcUao0Os

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