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    Daily Digest 4/28 – Fed keeps interest rates near zero but notes ‘strengthened’ US economic recovery, Hong Kong to Test All Foreign Helpers After Variant Found

    by Daily Digest

    Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 2:23 PM

Economy

Fed keeps interest rates near zero but notes ‘strengthened’ US economic recovery

The Federal Reserve said Wednesday that it would maintain ultra-low interest rates and reaffirmed its commitment to other easing policies even as the U.S. economic recovery from the coronavirus pandemic rapidly strengthens.

The U.S. central bank, as widely expected, held the benchmark federal funds rate at a range between 0% and 0.25%, where it has been since March 2020, when COVID-19 forced an unprecedented shutdown of the nation’s economy. Since June, the Fed has also been purchasing $120 billion in bonds each month, a policy known as “quantitative easing” that’s designed to keep credit cheap.

Hong Kong to Test All Foreign Helpers After Variant Found

Hong Kong will quarantine residents of a roughly 400-unit apartment building for 21 days and test all of the city’s foreign domestic helpers after finding the first locally acquired case of a Covid-19 variant.

The infected person was a 39-year-old domestic helper living in a building in the Caribbean Coast complex in the Tung Chung neighborhood, the government said. A 10-month-old baby who lived with her was also infected, it said.

The $100 Million Deli

There’s a little deli in Paulsboro, New Jersey, called Hometown Deli. It is mostly unremarkable except that it is publicly traded, on the stock market, where it is valued at over $100 million, for some reason.

Normally when you buy stock, you are thinking about things like growth, or future earnings. But this deli is just one deli. It does not appear to be growing into more delis. So … what is it doing on the stock market? How do we even know about it? It’s probably not the chicken parm. Today on the show, what the $100 million deli tells us about how the stock market works.

New COVID test key to saving Alaska’s salmon season, fishing jobs

Out in Alaska’s Aleutian Islands is the remote town of Unalaska, home to just over 4,300 people who predominantly work in the commercial fishing and seafood processing industry. Every year, thousands of fishermen migrate to the port of Dutch Harbor to take part in Unalaska’s salmon season.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s (NOAA) annual yearbook of fishing statistics has ranked Dutch Harbor as the top U.S. port for its volume of seafood for 22 years in a row. The agency’s most recent report, released in February 2020, found that the port brought in 763 million pounds of seafood, worth roughly $182 million, in 2018.

Environment

Extent Of Toxic DDT Dumping Off Los Angeles Coast Is ‘Staggering’

A new report from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in California found a massive graveyard at the bottom of the seafloor between Santa Catalina Island and Los Angeles of a toxic chemical known as dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane (DDT).

Scientists used underwater drones with sonar technology to map out 36,000 acres of the seafloor between Santa Catalina Island and Los Angeles, where they found at least 27,000 barrels of DDT and an excess of 100,000 total debris objects.

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  • Sat, May 01, 2021 - 2:43pm

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    How Crisis Intervention Training Improves Policing and Saves Lives





    Happy May Day comrades!

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  • Sat, May 01, 2021 - 3:31pm

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    CDC finally specifying using lower CT thresholds for PCR tests, but only for the vaccinated

    https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-cdc-issues-guidance-for-evaluating-post-vaccination-covid-tests-at-a-lower-standard

    Last August, the New York Times reported that so many PCR tests were netting false positives because they used more than 30 cycle thresholds (CTs) of amplification, often as many as 40-45 before finding a positive culture. To this day, the CDC has refused to change its guidance on the use of high CTs in determining positive results, needlessly forcing so many people, particularly asymptomatic children, into quarantine for no reason. Well, now the agency has finally changed its guidance — but only when it suits cronies.

    In a notice on its "COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough case investigation," the CDC announced its plan to study the prevalence of "breakthrough cases," meaning those who contract the virus even after having been vaccinated. Yesterday, former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson noticed this little gem in the guidance for determining those infected post-vaccination: "Clinical specimens for sequencing should have an RT-PCR Ct value ≤28."

    Alas, the CDC has suddenly discovered the power of cycle thresholds on PCR testing in determining whether the positive results are real or meaningful. But here's the problem: Where is this guidance when it comes to non-vaccinated people? As Berenson points out, a standard of 28 CTs applied to the general testing regime would preclude as many as 90% of cases from being recorded, especially when the virus is in low circulation.

    Wow. WOW. @cdcgov only wants to examine post-vaccine infections with a PCR threshold of 28 or under. That standard… https://t.co/PUGSeS99pm

    — Alex Berenson (@Alex Berenson)1619716838.0

    Almost eight months ago, the New York Times reported that cultures detected in 27 to 34 CTs seldom reveal any live virus, and specimens detected above 34 CTs never show any live virus. Most research shows that any virus that is detected only through a CT level above 25, and certainly above 30, is very likely to be a false or meaningless positive. This is why a Portuguese judge recently ruled that any positive test that used more than 25 cycle thresholds is not reliable and cannot be used to force quarantine.

    Each cycle threshold doubles the level of amplification of the previous CT. Thus, a CT of 40 is 1,024 times the amplification of a CT level of 30 (210 =1,024) and 32,768 times that of a CT of 25 (215=32,768). Clearly, not all positive results are equal, and knowing the CT level of your positive result is of utmost importance.

    Thus, the CDC is correct in not wanting false positives to work against the reputation of the vaccines, but why is it OK for false positives to work against the livelihood of Americans? Why is it that only when it comes to the reputation of the vaccines do they suddenly discover the science of false positives? Based on the current CDC standard, the entire contact tracing regime, even to the extent one maniacally believes they can trace a virus that 40% of the country already contracted, should be overhauled....

     

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  • Sat, May 01, 2021 - 4:10pm

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    wotthecurtains said:

    If this turns out to be true (ie. if the CDC doesn't jump up and down right away denying this) it tells you all you need to know about what's being done here.

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  • Sat, May 01, 2021 - 5:48pm

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    David Collum Truthiness

    I was doing some financial research, and was watching a video with David Collum being interviewed by Jay Martin of Cambridge House.  It is "The Stock Market Crash Will Destroy Lives: 2021 is the Dumbest Bubble In History - Dave Collum" (My apologies if someone else already posted it).

    But while I went to the video for the financial insight, I got hooked by David Collum's truthiness starting at about 32:20 (re Hunter Biden's laptop, the election, the Chinese claiming to "own" the upper echelons of American politics for several years, etc.) Holy sh1t!  And watching Dave as he talks about it... it's like looking at one of us looking in the mirror, shaking our heads, trying to get our heads around what we don't WANT to believe, but can't NOT believe anymore.





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  • Sun, May 02, 2021 - 7:00am

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    000 said:

    Indeed, Organic Chemists are a special breed of hyper intelligent analytical geniuses that have their thumb on the truth. After all, Chemicals are life itself. [giggles] I also stumbled upon that interview but didn't get past the first 5 mins. (rehash)

    Will Jay Martin be running for Mayor of London too? Cambridge House seems like London Real (lite)

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  • Sun, May 02, 2021 - 10:09am

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    Southwestern states preparing to cope with first ever water emergency

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/facing-a-colorado-river-shortage-arizona-prepares-for-the-pain-of-water-cutbacks/ar-BB1gehC4

    With the Colorado River’s largest reservoir just 38% full and declining toward the threshold of a first-ever shortage, Arizona water officials convened an online meeting this week to outline how the state will deal with water cutbacks, saying the reductions will be “painful” but plans are in place to lessen the blow for affected farmers next year.

    Lake Mead’s decline is expected to trigger substantial reductions in water deliveries in 2022 for Arizona, Nevada and Mexico. The largest of those cuts will affect Arizona, slashing its Colorado River supplies by 512,000 acre-feet, about a fifth of its total entitlement.

    While that will shrink the amount of water flowing to farmlands through the Central Arizona Project Canal, the state’s water managers said during Thursday’s meeting that they’re prepared and have plans ready to handle shortages over the next five years, even if Lake Mead continues to drop to levels that would bring larger cutbacks....

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 7:48am

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    The Spike Protein Itself Causes the Damage to Vessels

    Two developments in the vaccine discussions seem particularly well founded to me.

    1.  The observation that the vaccine induces many human cells to make the spike protein, the target for the immune system's attack.  This has the potential to induce cross-reactivity where the immune system is goaded into attacking a variety of human tissues.

    This is the nightmare of the vaccination approach.  The vaccine is primed to induce an attack on a pathogen (good), but then also cross reacts with host tissues causing auto-immune damage (bad and very, very bad).

    (This link from the Front Line Doctors was posted here on PP by someone a day or two ago.)

    2.  And most ominous. the discovery that the spike protein itself, [original paper here] when it binds to the ACE2 receptors on the outer surface of vascular endothelial cells (EC), damages them very badly.  This causes the cells that line blood vessels to malfunction harming the tissues they supply.   The EC cease to react to nitric oxide, the local signaling molecule to dilate, and the mitochondria inside the vascular endothelial cells have reduce function (can't handle lactic acid production and a couple of other markers of poor function.)  By disregulating the control of the vascular endothelium the tissue is damaged.  And this is the result of the spike protein itself, not viral infection by SC2.

    Experimenters created a Pseudo-Virus.  The Pseudo-Virus is a sphere of tissue about the size of a virus, and covered the surface with the spike protein.  But there was nothing inside the sphere.  No genetic material.  The Pseudo-Virus could NOT replicate nor cause any infection.  [This is the key point!!]

    Yet these Pseudo-Viruses damaged endothelial cells, dysregulated them, which damaged the lung tissues being studied.

    So it was not SC2 infection that caused the lung damage, but simply having the spike protein bind to the ACE2 receptors in the small blood vessels that caused the endothelial dysfunction and damaged the lung.

    I used the word OMINOUS above:  because of what the vaccine (allegedly) does--causes widespread production of the spike protein in many tissues.

    I am double worried about adverse effects of the vaccine now.

    And thanks to the other info scouts here at PP that found these two articles.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 7:59am

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    And yet all troubles will be blamed on the non-vaxx'ed....

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/oregon-restores-restrictions-amid-covid-170934155.html

    Oregon restores restrictions amid Covid surge boosted by vaccine hesitancy

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 8:02am

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    Thank you!

    Thank you for speaking to this.  As I’ve said before my biology is really rusty.  I read the Salk paper and got an inference to the ramifications but having them clearly written out, while scary, is helpful.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 8:38am

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    Kat43 said:

    It is also the people who are vaccinated too recently after a C19 infection.  The antibodies produced by the vaccine may attack any residual antigens, which are likely to be found in whatever tissue was impacted by the infection.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 9:33am

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    Re: The Spike Protein Itself Causes the Damage to Vessels

    Funny how the Salk article doesn't state: All three US vaccines use the SC2 Spike Protein to activate the immune system to create IgG Antibodies.  How long does the mRNA vaccine produce Spike Proteins for?

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 10:37am

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    Spike Protein Fears

    I, too, read Denninger's post yesterday about the spike protein risks posed by the vaccines and found it alarming.  Interestingly, a commenter at Naked Capitalism yesterday posted this tweet by one of the Salk paper's authors which seems to pooh pooh those risks.

    i’m going to give a full response asap. but quickly for the record:
    1) the (relatively) small amount of spike protein produced by the mRNA vaccine would not be nearly enough to do any damage
    2) i happily got the mRNA vaccine, FWIW
    3) i encourage everyone to get it

    also: one of many great things about the mRNA vaccine is unlike injecting people with Spike protein to circulate all over (still at waaaay lower concentration than that needed to cause damage), the mRNA-produced Spike is extremely localized. brilliant!

    thanks for the heads up. it’s quite the mind f*^* to see our hard work twisted in support of a narrative/group i would never want to be associated with (to put it lightly)

    https://twitter.com/manorlaboratory/status/1388717008544419843

    SP and others more knowledgable than me can you comment?

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 1:01pm

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    Where in the world is Jack Ma

    Jack Ma Has Taken Up Painting – The co-founder of Alibaba is one of a number of Chinese businessmen opting out of the limelight as the Communist Party works to regulate the internet industry more than it ever has before. In his relative isolation, Ma has apparently taken up painting and practicing tai chi. “Sometimes, he shares drawings with Masayoshi Son, the billionaire head of the Japanese conglomerate SoftBank,” the Times reports. (New York Times)

    Art Industry News: The Sacklers Hired a Private Investigator to Tail Nan Goldin and Other Activists, a New Book Claims + Other Stories

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 1:31pm

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    NAC A Warning Shot

    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2019/10/04/n-acetyl-cysteine-a-warning-shot

    Comments are worth scanning. ie take it in the evening, watch the dose, include others if fighting a SARS infection.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 1:47pm

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    Spike proteins OK from VAX?

    Dr Mobeen's detailed explanation about the safety of the Vaccine generation of the spike proteins.

     





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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 1:49pm

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    AndrewOregon said:

    His points are

    --the proteins don't leave the cell where they are generated, except as shards, or when the cell is destroyed by immune response. In this second case, other elements in immune system take care of the spikes...

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 2:40pm

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    The last line destroys credibility

    thanks for the heads up. it’s quite the mind f*^* to see our hard work twisted in support of a narrative/group i would never want to be associated with (to put it lightly)

    If they had discovered strong evidence that the vaccines were a significant risk would they have published their findings?  Or would they have been concerned that the group they would never want to be associated with was actually right?

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 2:56pm

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    I don't know what happens to the spike protein

    I just don't know what happens to the spike protein induced by the vaccine.  In what tissues is the mRNA absorbed and in what tissues is it expressed?  Where is the spike protein found?   (I don't know these important points.)

    I'll watch the video AndrewOregon just posted, and just read the link debu posted.

    SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines induce a robust germinal centre reaction in humans

    (It is worrisome to me that the above paper reporting excellent and very localized antibody production in lymph tissue only was released for pre-print on March 21, 2021, many months after widespread vaccination was underway.  Wouldn't you really want to know how this worked before vaccinating?





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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 3:02pm

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    Kat43 said:

    Just another example of how obscene it is that extensive animal testing did not resolve these questions prior to mass vaccination.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 3:16pm

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    Spike protein from vaccine fears

    So the commentator on Naked Capitalism says:

    1) no need to fear, he writes, vaccine based cell hijacking is extremely localised (I presume he means it's localised to near the site of the injection). However, they're injecting it into muscle tisssue. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't muscles richly infused with blood and thus highly connected to the blood supply?  Doesn't that mean at least some of the vaccine, in some people, is going to end up in the blood supply and then distributed by it? Doesn't really matter if the spikes aren't going to be further systemically distributed once produced if the preceeding mRNA instructions are instead.

    The post-vaccine systemic blood clotting reports do seem to support the idea that the spikes got into those peoples' vascular systems - it would seem to be highly coincidental for covid to cause blood clotting issues due to the spikes but if the vaccine causes them it's due to some other mechanism?

    2) how does he know that the amount of spikes created by the vaccines is not enough to cause issues? Again, my understanding may be faulty, but I thought the whole reason why people who don't show much covid symptoms stay well is because their body manages to fight off the infection so it never goes beyond an upper-respiratory track infection and they never get systemically exposed to much of the spike proteins. That doesn't seem to apply to a vaccination, which deliberately crosses all those barriers. Once those barriers are crossed, who knows how many spike proteins are necessary to cause severe illness? I assume if you're unlucky one blood clot is enough to really screw you up.

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 3:18pm

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    what happens to those spikes?

    Maybe they know the answers to these questions but don't want to tell.

    I find it hard to believe that _someone_ isn't studying the dynamics (or pharmodynamics or whatever it would be called) of the spike production - where and how much is produced, for how long, does it leave the cells and travel through the bloodstream, etc.

    What "they" claim is that the antigen (spike) is produced and then "displayed" on the cell surface (as opposed to being released from the cell), where it is recognized by the immune system which then reacts. Kind of similar to what happens in an actual infection. The goal is for the spike production to occur in the muscle where the mRNA is injected, and probably that is where most of it occurs. But I've seen reports that the mRNA can travel through the lymph system, maybe get into the blood which could lead to spike production elsewhere. Maybe most of the mRNA is degraded before it travels far in the body. Someone must know something about this.

    In any case, from what I've read I doubt that most people who receive the vaccine actually shed much (if any) spike into the environment. Unless the mRNA has traveled to cells in the respiratory system, any spikes produced in the muscle would have to find their way into the blood, then into the lungs or throat before being exhaled. I just don't see that happening in significant amounts but of course, time will tell.

    (@Tamhob, was writing while you were. Certainly one badly placed blood clot can kill someone)

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 4:24pm

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    Interesting info re shedding

    Found this article on John Rappoport's Blog. He has some interesting insights on 'shedding' that make sense, using an example of how GMO crops have spread, which is essentially genetic 'shedding'.

    ... Now let’s consider a key Pfizer document titled: “A PHASE 1/2/3, PLACEBO-CONTROLLED, RANDOMIZED, OBSERVER-BLIND, DOSE-FINDING STUDY TO EVALUATE THE SAFETY, TOLERABILITY, IMMUNOGENICITY, AND EFFICACY OF SARS-COV-2RNA VACCINE CANDIDATES AGAINST COVID-19 IN HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS.”

    On page 67, we find a warning about potential adverse effects of the vaccine. The abstruse term “study intervention” pops up. It surely means “vaccination.” “Environmental exposure” means contact with elements of the vaccine other than by injection.

    Warning of adverse effect: “A female is found to be pregnant while being exposed or having been exposed to study intervention due to environmental exposure. Below are examples of environmental exposure during pregnancy:”

    “A female family member or healthcare provider reports that she is pregnant after having been exposed to the study intervention by inhalation or skin contact.”

    “A male family member or healthcare provider who has been exposed to the study intervention by inhalation or skin contact then exposes his female partner prior to or around the time of conception.”

    These warnings, from the vaccine manufacturer, Pfizer, are shocking. They imply that women can be harmed by breathing in, or contacting by skin, the vaccine as it moves from person to person. Which would be “shedding.”

    And what is being transferred from person to person? What is in the vaccine? Genetic material. RNA.

     

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  • Mon, May 03, 2021 - 7:27pm

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    back to the PRRA thing

    Do the mRNA injections contain the codon sequence for PRRA spike protein polybasic cleavage site? If so, who made that call and why? Sounds like a terrible idea. (If cell-cell fusion is causing the clotting, which is my assumption.)

     

    A Multibasic Cleavage Site in the Spike Protein of SARS-CoV-2 Is Essential for Infection of Human Lung Cells;

    Authors: Markus Hoffmann, Hannah Kleine-Weber, Stefan Pohlmann; 5/21/20

    https://doi.org/10.1016/j.molcel.2020.04.022

     

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  • Tue, May 04, 2021 - 9:25am

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    New evidence in support of Hydroxchloroquine

    https://trialsitenews.com/revisiting-hydroxychloroquine-what-does-the-data-say-according-to-preeminent-yale-physician-public-health-epidemiology-investigator/

    According to a recent survey written by Dr. Risch, MD, PhD, every one of the now nine (9) studies of high-risk outpatient HCQ studies reveals a significant 2-fold or better risk reduction for hospitalization or mortality. Moreover, the Yale physician and researcher shows in his recent work that numerous systematic case-series studies reveal a solid treatment benefit versus mortality.

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 9:55am

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    Intra-elite conflict: early warning for conflict and collapse





    Well, that checks off another collapse box in my mind. It seems the signs of the impending collapse are getting more numerous and accelerating.

    P. S.  I posted this 7:20 video this morning and another video then appeared in it’s place hours later. So I removed the new one and am reposting the original again. You know, it’s as they say: “You don’t attract flak until you’re over the target.” This one must’ve hit a Deep State nerve, so it’s a “must watch!”

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 11:35am

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    Darkest “vaccine” scenario presented in a new TV series





    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8303474/

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 12:13pm

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    Netlej

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    utopia

    thc - the british version which came out a few years ago is way better than this american one.

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 2:52pm

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    Brit Utopia

    Netlej,

    OK, so the Brit version is better. Where is the link?

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  • Wed, May 05, 2021 - 6:29pm

    Steven Kelso

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    Bullseye

    Great find. I had suggested something similar after hearing Catherine Fitts Planet Lockdown interview, but had not drawn the civil war conclusion.

    I know folks want to talk about Covid, but I want to talk about this. Oliver Cromwell didn't have 5G and Big Data. When you start talking about lifetime data collection and centralized digital currency....it has to be resisted.

    China launches its initial SS module, and the big news is NASA getting taxied by a greenwashed charlatan? “Rare Nighttime Splashdown”, lol. I expect some “big lie” bluffs coming down the pike to really test our suspension of disbelief.

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 5:30am

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    The sand_puppy theory of disagreement :-)

    This is an evolving theory.....  please help.  And I'm thinking out loud about how to do this better in the future as I have screwed it up so many times!!

    The ideal

    1.  We see things differently.  But the underlying assumption is the understanding that people of intelligence and integrity can and do see things differently.  Like the Big Dipper and the Great Bear constellations in the northern sky or The Blind Men and the Elephant.  

    Our mutual respect keeps friendships alive and robust and dialog open.  I am happy and comfortable sitting next to someone with a different viewpoint letting them be different.

    Not only that, but I enjoy learning about how they see things.  I communicate my interest in your needs, fears and way of framing with compassionate attentive listening.

    -----

    The downhill spiral

    Add Rightness

    2.   We see things differently.  But the underlying assumption is that only one of us can be right.  Naturally, I am the one who is right.

    I feel urgency to bring the wrong person around to the truth.  I need to convince.

    Add Hubris

    3.  We see things differently and my viewpoint is right while yours is wrong.  But with this level we add hubris--a sense of superiority.  I am right and so smart (I'm from Harvard) and you are wrong and inferior.  Are you a deplorable from fly over country who never had a proper classical education learning Latin, Greek, philosophy and how to reason properly?  With my fantastic enlightenment / educational state I don't listen to your drivel.

    Add Moral-Spiritual Superiority

    4.  We see things differently and my viewpoint is right.  I am so superior that I look down on your thinking and evidence with distain.  But here we add  moral/spiritual superiority.  God (and human decency) is on my side.  (Insert scriptural reference or Nelson Mandela quote to document spiritual high ground.)

    With this last element, not only are you too stupid to have meaningful thoughts and observations, but to even consider your words is immoral/disgusting.  Shouting you down as you lecture, banning you, and censoring your webpage is the moral and right thing to do.  And God (and goodness itself) approves of my silencing you.

    Would you just stand there and let Hitler talk to the crowds in 1933?  Hell no!  It is your moral responsibility to shut him down.

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    The application

    Suppose you are on the design side of the oligarchy planning committee for world domination and you need to fleece the population of another couple of percent of their resources.  You have a story that needs to be sold to all levels of the public consensus mind.

    Alternative stories must be silenced.  Yet we must justify censorship.

    1.  Rightness.  (BLUE Meme)  I have the true viewpoint.  You have "fake news."  Authoritative fact checkers.   Wrong.

    2.  Hubris.  (ORANGE Meme)  I am so superior to you (Harvard) that I despise and ignore your ignorant drivel.  Inferior.

    3.  Moral superiority (GREEN Meme).  To even consider that viewpoint would make me a racist, misogynist, elitist, animal and child abusing scum just like Hitler.  For the good of society and the defense of helpless children, you must not be allowed to speak.  Disgusting.

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    Responding to attempts to be defined as Wrong, Inferior and Disgusting.

    Don't buy into being defined by the other.  This is subtle because it is not being explicitly stated, just communicated by implication.  So we have to identify the implication and choose to say "no."

    You don't have to fight off these definitions, just don't participate in them.  (I am rehearsing my own responses here!)

    "That is not how it seems to me."

    "I have a different viewpoint.  (But you are welcomed to keep your viewpoint also)."

    "That is not what I see."  (And I respect your ability to see things in your own way.)

    "I would like to see some safety data before I get the vaccine"  (But you are welcome to make your own decision and get the vaccine if you feel that is best for you.)

    Alex Jones and the Rabid Response.

    Don't act rabid.  When we talk like Alex Jones, it shows that we have bought the definition and are fighting to overthrow it.  It is easy to silence rabid people because they are acting crazy.

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 6:06am

    Tycer

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    SP theory

    My answer is always “ You’re correct. I am”. I don’t engage. Just flat takes the stuffing out of the aggressor.

    Your theory is well thought out. I like it.

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 6:11am

    Steven Kelso

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    We’re Puzzle Pieces

    Someone shared this with me yesterday.

    Begin each day by telling yourself: Today I shall be meeting with interference, ingratitude, insolence, disloyalty, ill-will, and selfishness – all of them due to the offenders’ ignorance of what is good or evil. But for my part I have long perceived the nature of good and its nobility, the nature of evil and its meanness, and also the nature of the culprit himself, who is my brother (not in the physical sense, but as a fellow creature similarly endowed with reason and a share of the divine); therefore none of those things can injure me, for nobody can implicate me in what is degrading. Neither can I be angry with my brother or fall foul of him; for he and I were born to work together, like a man’s two hands, feet or eyelids, or the upper and lower rows of his teeth. To obstruct each other is against Nature’s law – and what is irritation or aversion but a form of obstruction. - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

    Psychological Splitting, or Black & White/All or Nothing thinking is logically fallacious. Its healthier to view oneself as part of a holistic system. Therein lies the rub: anthropocentrism (human supremacism) likes at the heart of our culture, and is the pinnacle of hubris.

    Think about it: wheres the perspective that Covid is good for the planet’s bioregions, as a biological mechanism? That assertion would fly in face of homo sapiens full spectrum dominance over the known universe.

    When Damon Vrabel stopped publishing, I asked him what we could do to stop the cycle of empire. He replied simply, “You can’t.”

    Dogs will never drive cars. Humans are similarly limited by physiological constraints. Humility arises from these acknowledged constraints. Scientism, or the belief in cargoism aka, Don’t Worry, We Got This, makes rational discourse impossible.

    I’m in the middle of Tom Brokaw’s The Greatest Generation. Selfless Servant Leadership is the modus operandi for Good during the first turning. If you exemplify these qualities, there will be no need to debate. The hungry yearning masses will follow your genuine authenticity over the alternative’s slick bullshit stories.

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 6:26am

    brushhog

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    Sandpuppy's theory

    Your theory has me thinking about meditation [ which is almost an oxymoron ]. Ive been meditating daily for years and studying Zen buddhism/taoism when I can. The first thing the meditator does is attempt to not think. He finds that he is unable.

    Soon he learns to ignore his thoughts or to simply incorporate them into his total awareness. With help from his "roshi" [ master/teacher/instructor ] he is prompted to recognize that his thoughts are simply the function of an organ [ the brain ] just like the heart, the thyroid gland, or the stomach. The heart beats, the thyroid gland emits hormones, the stomach digests its contents, and the mind thinks its thoughts. All of these things "happen" automatically. YOU dont do them.

    In time the mind is seen as just another organ, not the center of one's identity. As such one begins to "watch" the mind during meditation.' If I can observe my mind's thoughts, then I must be something more than my mind because 'who' is observing?' This is the point of view that is developed.

    When one begins to "watch" the mind, one begins to recognize the mind's ability to spin illusion. When you identify only with the mind and your thoughts, those illusions are your reality. When you learn to step outside of the mind and identify with your whole being, you see the illusions for what they are. When this happens, the thoughts disappear and the mind is silenced.

    How does this relate to your theory of disagreement? Most people are living inside the illusions cast by the mind 24/7. Most of their worries arent real [ particularly in 1st world countries ], their view of the world is a mixed up hodge-podge of their own fears/prejudice, information gleaned from other people's illusions, with about a sliver of reality thrown in to keep it all credible.

    Shakespeare said "There is no good or bad, but thinking makes it so". And it is a long term endeavor to wake one's self out of the illusions of the mind. When we do we may find that the disagreements don't even really exist. Or if they do, they are irrelevant.  Sort of like having a bad dream and then waking up to realize none of it was really happening.

    So the problem isnt that everyone is dreaming, the problem for YOU [ and me ] to recognize is that our desire to make them dream our dream means we're still dreaming! And the solution is to wake ourselves up.

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 6:45am

    VTGothic

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    Oh, thanks alot Brushhog

    Now you've got me thinking about whether it's better to meditate on thinking or to think about meditation. I can see I'm going to spend the day meditating on that thought!

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 7:36am

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    thesecuritygirl

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    Dr Sandpuppy strikes again!

    Doc you never cease to amaze me!  Great thoughts for the day!

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 8:08am

    DM0nk

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    I Think I will Think About Meditating on Thinking

    Nice description of the process of adopting a meditation practice, Brushhog.

    Your last paragraph referencing the desire to influence people's "dreams" reminds me of a line in the Bhagavad Gita frequently quoted by my Kriya Yoga teachers. Loosely translated: "Do not disturb the dreams of others."

    I've taken that as meaning it is a fraught endeavor to attempt to change someone's view of reality with potentially karmic consequences for both parties. First, you are very unlikely to do more than get them and yourself upset (karma right there) or, worse, you may make inroads into collapsing a world view that was working for them (superficially perhaps, yes), but not be available to provide a new set of coping skills for the unknown you have forcefully pointed them towards.

    We have many opportunities these days to weigh the benefits and hazards of disturbing the dreams of others.

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 8:31am

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    davefairtex

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    The Bad Orange Man is Back!

    And he's been back for more than a week.  His new quasi-twitter feed:

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/desk

    Maybe its me, but I get the sense that there is a conspiracy of silence surrounding the return of  El Hombre Naranja Malo. Literally nobody right now in the mainstream (on both "sides") wants to even remember he exists.  They all wish he'd go away.

    And yet - perhaps a sign of things to come: in a recent by-election in Texas, the Trump-supported candidate come out on top.  By a lot.  In a district that the Bad Orange Man only won by 3%.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republican-win-in-texas-special-election-raises-questions-about-bidens-popularity

    "The Democrats have just conceded the race," Trump said in a statement. "Susan surged after I gave her an endorsement last week. Her wonderful husband is looking down, and is very proud of her!"

    Still Bad.  Still Orange.

    2022 isn't far away at all.

    We definitely live in interesting times.

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 8:43am

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    BrushHog

    BH: Soon he learns to ignore his thoughts or to simply incorporate them into his total awareness. With help from his "roshi" [ master/teacher/instructor ] he is prompted to recognize that his thoughts are simply the function of an organ [ the brain ] just like the heart, the thyroid gland, or the stomach. The heart beats, the thyroid gland emits hormones, the stomach digests its contents, and the mind thinks its thoughts. All of these things "happen" automatically. YOU dont do them.

    Freaking great post BH.

    I got a question for you if you will oblige:

    Do you think it is possible that thoughts come from the body and not the brain, per se?

    In sitting zazen over the years I've noticed a relationship between my posture and my thought flow. A more proprioceptively neutral (proprioceptively quiet) posture appears to make it easier for me to ignore my thoughts.

    My work has taught me that emotions can be associated with tension in certain muscle groups. I've always wondered if thoughts are also produced by (or associated with) the proprioceptors in the muscles and joints of the body. The neuromuscular system is the largest organ in the body.

    What do you think?

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 9:26am

    brushhog

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    brushhog said:

    JAG,

    I think you are spot on. The Zen tradition [ particularly the Japanese Zen tradition ] makes a very strong point about the importance of posture. In fact we had a visitor from Japan at a Zen center that I used to go to and they are ALL about posture and breathing.

    The hunched posture promotes a busy "burdened" mind;

    Contrast this with Zazen posture;

    The idea that the "I" is housed in the brain while the rest of the body just "dangles" is a western myth.

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 9:50am

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    PP Lurker hits it out of the park with this find: Lab vs Natural origin

    Most everyone on PP is familiar with the main points of this discussion because Chris, and then many others here, dove into it almost a year ago.   Another hat tip to our awesome and courageous information scout and master synthesizer of information.
    The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

    By Nicholas Wade | May 5, 2021

    A very skillful science writer compares the arguments and statements for the 2 main views of the origin of SARS-CoV-2:  spontaneous evolution and lab creation.

    When all it said and done, the conclusions are very strong, imho.

    This is the best summary of this topic that I have every seen.

     

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 10:16am

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    brushhog

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    brushhog said:

    Now you've got me thinking about whether it's better to meditate on thinking or to think about meditation. I can see I'm going to spend the day meditating on that thought!

    VT, wait until you get into the idea that the root of all suffering is desire. So you try to eliminate desire, only to find that you now desire not to desire.

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 11:08am

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    Reply to #34 (VT G)

    It's "better" to meditate in motion (Tai Ji) -- to find the stillness in motion, and the motion in stillness.

    Works most excellently for me, anyhow...

    May Fortune Smile -- and VIVA! -- Sager

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 12:35pm

    stealyourface

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    Master Shi Heng Yi

    One of my favorite TED talks....Master Shi Heng Yi . well worth the 18 minutes " I am not the body. I am not the mind. I am not my emotion". He has some interviews that well worth watching as well





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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 1:01pm

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    She's back! Barf bag at the ready.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/06/hillary-clinton-guardian-disinformation-big-tech-facebook

    All in favor of a renewed "Fairness Doctrine" (which The Great and Powerful Ronald Reagan administration ended) and which would put the lady to task for her "mistakes".

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  • Thu, May 06, 2021 - 1:38pm

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    Birth rates falling worldwide

    I think we’ll have a human-caused massive human die off way before these projections are realized.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521

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