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    Daily Digest 2/4 – The Single Biggest Threat To Big Oil, Small business owners faced with tough hiring decisions

    by Daily Digest

    Thursday, February 4, 2021, 2:30 PM

Economy

The Single Biggest Threat To Big Oil

About a week ago, alternative energy plays scored crucial wins seemingly at the expense of the oil and gas sector after President Biden ramped-up his radical climate agenda by announcing plans to halt new oil and gas leasing on federal territory in a bid to become carbon-neutral by 2050. Some of the biggest oil companies, including ExxonMobil Corp. (NYSE:XOM) and Chevron Corp. (NYSE:CVX), are actively drilling on federal lands in New Mexico. Biden has also touted a $2 trillion clean energy pledge, easily the biggest investment by the federal government into the sector.

Hyperinflation Can Happen Much Faster Than You Think

There’s no universally agreed-upon definition of hyperinflation. But one widely used benchmark says hyperinflation exists when prices increase 50% or more in a single month. So if gasoline is $3.00 per gallon in January, $4.50 per gallon in February and $6.75 per gallon in March and the prices of food and other essentials are going up at the same pace, that would be considered hyperinflationary.

It also tends to accelerate once it begins, meaning the monthly 50% increase soon becomes 100%, then 1,000%, etc., until the real value of the currency is utterly destroyed. Beyond that point, the currency ceases to function as a currency and becomes litter, good only for wallpaper or starting fires.

SpaceX set to launch two Falcon 9 rockets carrying hundreds of Starlink satellites

SpaceX has rescheduled the launch of one of its Falcon 9 rockets set to carry a batch of Starlink satellites into low-Earth orbit.

The 45th Space Wing approved the launches for SpaceX’s Starlink L-18 and L-17 missions on Wednesday, which were originally set to launch roughly four hours apart from each other at 1:19 a.m. and 5:36 a.m. eastern time on Thursday, respectively.

U.S. economic growth could surpass China this year, and Democrats may be better off spending stimulus money on something else, Fed’s Bullard says

Could Democrats be fighting the last war and wasting money on another $1.9 trillion economic relief package?

Perhaps, if St. Louis Federal Reserve president James Bullard is right. The Fed official thinks the economy is already set for a strong recovery in 2021.

It’s possible U.S. economic growth could top 6% this year, he said. “There’s certainly a chance we grow faster than China in 2021,” Bullard said.

Small business owners faced with tough hiring decisions

As the U.S. economy undergoes an uneven recovery from the virus pandemic, many small business owners face a tough decision on whether and when to take on employees.

The pandemic forced Meghan Gardner to let go of 16 staffers at Guardian Adventures, which ran educational summer camps, part of an industry decimated by the virus outbreak. While Gardner got a Paycheck Protection Program loan and ran online camps during the summer, by October she couldn’t afford to pay her employees.

Europe moves toward COVID-19 vaccine passports but not every country is on board

A few European Union countries have taken steps to distribute special passes to allow citizens inoculated against the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 to travel freely. Others countries, including the U.K., are considering such a measure.

Fed’s George Says Still Too Soon to Discuss Tapering Bond Buying

Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City President Esther George said the U.S. central bank was still “far away” from achieving its goals and it was premature to start a debate on scaling back its massive bond-buying program.

“I continue to think it is too soon to try to speculate about that,” George said in a Bloomberg TV interview. “Until we see the path to getting past this virus, it will be difficult to make any prognosis about when that time might come.”

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  • Fri, Feb 05, 2021 - 3:16pm

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    thc0655

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    Philly Covid Corruption. Standard Operating Procedure.

    https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/04/philadelphias-failure-on-vaccines-is-a-national-disgrace/

    If you think this is disgraceful, you should see what happened in the November 3rd election.

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  • Fri, Feb 05, 2021 - 5:00pm

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    Earthquake Preparedness

    For those who live near enough to the Pacific NW USA, you may be complacent about the effects of an earthquake on the Cascadia Subduction Zone. Here's an article that's a refresh of one written ~5 years ago. It is a longish, but interesting read. The Cascadia Big One will create the worst natural disaster in North America - Strange Sounds

    Public officials do all types of models/tests to establish how ready their departments are to deal with the aftermath. Sometimes, the models have a specific date and time that the event begins. Why? Depending when the earthquake happens, different impacts will result. For instance, if it happens during the week during heavy traffic, bridges failing will have a much higher immediate impact than if the earthquake happened at night or on a less busy weekend. From the cited article:

    <snip> As for casualties: the figures I cited earlier—twenty-seven thousand injured, almost thirteen thousand dead—are based on the agency’s official planning scenario, which has the earthquake striking at 9:41 A.M. on February 6th. If, instead, it strikes in the summer, when the beaches are full, those numbers could be off by a horrifying margin.

    Fortunately, preparing for an earthquake is pretty much an extension for preparing in general. Falling debris is the biggest immediate concern. According to the article, a strong earthquake on this fault would be the largest natural disaster this country has ever experienced. As such, help may be a long time coming.

    Here's an interesting video based on a model of what the earthquake shaking would do as the fault rips. (If you're in an impacted area, watch as the waves start coming from one direction and change direction as the fault ripping progresses.) For a 9.0+ magnitude earthquake, strong shaking can last over 4 minutes.

    Assume the earthquake hits while you are sleeping. Imagine that almost all your windows are shattered, that appliances litter your kitchen, that your electricity doesn't work, water, sewer, and natural gas lines are severed ... and understandably, you want to get the hell out of your house. If you don't have shoes available, you'll likely end up with cut up feet from all the broken glass. Are all your prepping supplies in the house? You might want to keep a minimal supply in your car. You really don't want to have to venture back into your house while the aftershocks rage.

    You can't possibly prepare sufficiently for every catastrophe; however, it is far better to do it a decade early than one day late.

    Grover

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  • Fri, Feb 05, 2021 - 5:33pm

    Yoxa

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    Peace of Mind in Earthquake Country - book

    I highly, highly recommend this book on earthquake preparedness:

    Peace of Mind in Earthquake Country: How to Save Your Home, Business, and Life, by Peter Yanev (Author), Andrew C.T. Thompson (Author) Paperback, March 11, 2009

    This is an update of an earlier edition. I don't live in earthquake country (so far as I know!) but even so it has influenced me in many household planning decisions over the years.

    It's one of the finest examples of technical writing I've ever come across.

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  • Fri, Feb 05, 2021 - 7:22pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Earthquake Prep

    My prep is to live where they aint. I also live where there are no hurricanes.

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  • Fri, Feb 05, 2021 - 8:41pm

    Grover

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    Earthquake book

    Yoxa,

    Thanks for posting this. I followed your link to Amazon to see what comments were written about the book. Most of the comments pertain to the structural aspects. What does the book say about surviving an earthquake?

    Mohammed, good for you. No matter where you live ... there are challenges.

    Grover

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  • Sat, Feb 06, 2021 - 7:37am

    Yoxa

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    Earthquake book

    Most of the comments pertain to the structural aspects.

    The book's focus is on ways to reduce or prevent damage from earthquakes, more than on surviving in the disaster scenario after A Big One. The topics range from how to make buildings stronger to how to organize your surroundings to reduce problems from shakin' all over. Earthquake-resistant decor ideas, storage ideas, lifestyle ideas and lots more. Until I read this book it never occurred to me that having bookshelves above a bed might be a bad idea!

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  • Sat, Feb 06, 2021 - 8:28am

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    HurriQuake nails

    I'm not a builder or a contractor so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt.  But if I lived in hurricane or earthquake prone areas (which I don't ... but I am in snow load country), I think if I'd build a house or have it built, these are the nails that I would use.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HurriQuake

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  • Sat, Feb 06, 2021 - 9:33am

    westcoastjan

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    Exactly!

    This is why most of my food storage is primarily dried with some frozen. Canning with its extensive use of  glass jars is a no no for earthquake zones. A big shake could create a major mess on top of the loss of food... ugh would not want to have to deal with that in an already stressful scenario.

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  • Sat, Feb 06, 2021 - 12:39pm

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    Nate

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    1984 all over again

    Calling for a US Ministry of Truth headed by a “reality czar” sounds ominously like what Orwell described in his dystopian “1984” novel that’s no longer fiction, saying:

    “The Ministry of Peace concerns itself with war, the Ministry of Truth with lies, the Ministry of Love with torture and the Ministry of Plenty with starvation.”

    “These contradictions are not accidental, nor do they result from from ordinary hypocrisy.”

    “They are deliberate exercises in doublethink.”

    Along with Big Brother mass surveillance and newspeak, Orwell’s Ministry of Truth was all about controlling the message, eliminating whatever conflicts with it, memory holes used for this purpose.

    Calling for an “American Ministry of Truth”. The US Media’s Dystopian “2021”

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  • Sat, Feb 06, 2021 - 12:59pm

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    Which Side Are You On Boys

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  • Sat, Feb 06, 2021 - 1:14pm

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    Lockdowns for climate coming our way?

    https://spectator.us/topic/ready-climate-lockdowns-environment/

    ...As the global climate elite push eating bugs and staying home to save the Earth on the masses, it’s worth posing the question: what will be adequate? With the Global Economic Forum in Davos approaching in April, we’re going to start hearing terms such ‘Climate Equity’ and ‘Climate Reset’ (a play on the WEF’s Great Reset) more frequently. We’ll probably also start to hear calls for climate lockdowns. I know, right now that sounds completely preposterous, but don’t these kooky ideas always find a way to bleed into the mainstream? Fifteen Days to Slow the Sun!

    The possibility of climate lockdowns is already being floated by some of our greatest thinkers. They see a confluence of global crises as an opportunity. The perfect storm caused by COVID-19 and the resulting global economic meltdown offers a chance to take what they see as bold and dramatic action to save the planet. The Biden administration will certainly use the consequences of COVID to push through some green legislation, but just as before, it will not be enough in the eyes of progressives. There must always be more.

    Mariana Mazzucato, an author and a professor in innovative economics at the University of London, raised the prospect of climate lockdowns in MarketWatchlast September:

    ‘Under a “climate lockdown”, governments would limit private-vehicle use, ban consumption of red meat, and impose extreme energy-saving measures, while fossil-fuel companies would have to stop drilling. To avoid such a scenario, we must overhaul our economic structures and do capitalism differently.’

    The idea of ‘doing capitalism differently’ is the driving rhetorical motivation behind the World Economic Forum’s Great Reset (another term for the implementation of global Marxism).

    Karl Lauterbach, an MP for the German Social Democratic party wrote in Die Welt last December that ‘we need measures to deal with climate change that are similar to the restrictions on personal freedom [imposed] to combat the pandemic.’ How long before this theory makes its way into news outlets and politicians’ speeches here?

    Of course this idea will be explained away as simply ‘following the science’. The lockdowns which began in spring 2020 contributed to what scientists are calling the largest drop in CO2 emissions in years. The largest reason for this was a decrease of approximately 40 percent in automobile and airplane transport. The World Economic Forum praised this figure in a blog post titled ‘Emissions fell during lockdown. Let’s keep it that way.’...

    https://redstate.com/kiradavis/2021/02/05/322524-n322524

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  • Sat, Feb 06, 2021 - 1:33pm

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    Pay the 20 Bucks

    or eat some unwashed salad to make sure you can't vote due to a wicked case of (faux) diarrhea?  The nutmeggers could potentially have some tough choices to make if this legislation ever sees the light of day.  And they haven't even legalized pot yet (so that can't explain it).

    Proposed Bill No. 180

    That title 9 of the general statutes be amended to provide that (1) at the 2024 state election and each state election thereafter, all qualified electors shall either cast a ballot or provide a valid reason for not casting a ballot, (2) following the 2024 state election and each state election thereafter, (A) the Secretary of the State shall mail to all qualified electors who did not cast a ballot at the most recent state election a form inquiring as to why such elector did not cast a ballot, which form shall advise that valid reasons for not casting a ballot include travel, illness, conscientious objection or such other reason as the Secretary may prescribe, and (B) failure to respond to such form with a valid reason shall result in a fine of twenty dollars paid to the Office of the Secretary of the State...

    Read the rest of it here (it's a PDF file), only 30 lines: https://www.cga.ct.gov/2021/TOB/S/PDF/2021SB-00180-R00-SB.PDF

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  • Sat, Feb 06, 2021 - 1:58pm

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    Grover

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    Earthquake Preparedness

    Yoxa,

    Thanks for the additional information. The book sounds like it has good advice for improving the survivability of an earthquake.

    ao,

    Thanks for the link to the Hurriquake nail. I read through the Wikipedia article. One disappointing note they included is that nail production was halted in 2011. Apparently, it wasn't a commercial success.

    Jan,

    I live in an earthquake prone area as well. I reinforced my pantry and placed wooden rails on the shelves (using wood screws) to keep my glass jars from going walkabout. You can use cardboard sections between the jars to cushion them. (a 4" tall slice of cardboard is sufficient. cut 2" deep slots wide enough to hold a jar and then slide another 4" tall slice of slotted cardboard upside down and perpendicular to the first slice to make little compartments for the jars.) Also, keep the shelves full so that the jars can't slide around. I use empties to keep the sections full. It isn't foolproof, but it may be good enough ... and it is better than nothing.

    ------

    Many of the old-timers at the site may remember Michael Rudmin. Michael was an outspoken person of high moral standing. He was a structural engineer and wrote often about engineering problems. He and I corresponded using the Private Message system on this site. He shared with me his medical difficulties. He died on 12/24/2019 - finally succumbing from his disease.

    Back when Chris wrote about the crumbling infrastructure (due to rusting steel in reinforced concrete, Michael wrote about basalt fiber reinforced polymer (BFRP) rebar. That was the first time I ever heard of it. He also wrote about structural concrete reinforced panels (SCIP.) These are a sandwich (like an Oreo cookie) with 2" thick reinforced concrete skins covering an expanded polystyrene core (EPS - Styrofoam is a trademarked EPS product.) Typically, thin cages made of steel are used as reinforcement. Unfortunately, the steel is prone to rusting. Michael suggested using BFRP rather than steel for reinforcement.

    That sent me down a rabbit hole. The concrete makes the structure fire-resistant. The foam has an "R" value of 4 per inch while the concrete adds thermal capacitance; hence, making the structure very well insulated. The reinforced panels can be constructed to be exceedingly strong at minimal cost to withstand the strongest earthquakes and wind events. (Some of the stucco finish may need to be repaired. Windows and doors are an additional issue.) In a flood, after waters subside, the concrete only needs to be pressure washed and allowed to dry.

    BFRP is about twice as strong in tension than steel yet about a quarter of steel's density. It has similar temperature expansion coefficients as concrete; hence, extreme temperatures won't cause undue stresses on the thin concrete. Its biggest disadvantage is that it can't be bent in the field. It bends easily but returns to its manufactured form. All permanent bends need to be incorporated during the manufacturing process. The manufacturers aren't yet set up to make complex shapes that are required for this type of construction.

    For a while, I toyed with the idea of moving and building a SCIP house using BFRP and polyurethane rather than EPS. (EPS softens and becomes a fluid at around the boiling point of water - which could be an issue in a long duration wildfire. Polyurethane panels won't melt or burn even under direct flame.) There's an opportunity to make well-insulated; attractive; hurricane resistant; fire and earthquake resistant homes that would change the entire construction standard.

    At this stage of my life, I just don't have the motivation to start a new venture. Even building my own home using this method would require BFRP manufacturers to make the shapes I need. Would they invest the money to build tools to make the shapes? Only if they were convinced it would pay off later on. That's the challenge that I'm just not willing to take.

    Grover

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  • Sat, Feb 06, 2021 - 2:00pm

    Susan7

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    Lockdowns don’t work

    This guy Wolff doesn’t back up his argument with facts, just anger. Lockdowns DONT work. He’s just another old Marxist professor selling his authoritarian worldview. But I suppose that if you buy into Marxism you would find him a treasure of wisdom.

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  • Sat, Feb 06, 2021 - 2:19pm

    westcoastjan

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    Thanks for letting us know about Michael Rudmin

    I do remember him and his sometimes valued commentary. I had wondered to myself recently if he was still alive - now we know... thanks for letting us know.

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  • Sun, Feb 07, 2021 - 7:56am

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    France guilty of not fulfilling Paris Climate commitments!

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paris-climate-agreement-france-court-government-guilty-failing-commitments/

    Paris — Four environmental groups are crying victory after France was found guilty of failing to meet climate change goals it committed to in a historic accord signed in and named after its own capital city. The Administrative Tribunal in Paris ruled Wednesday that France had fallen short of its promise to reduce greenhouse gases under commitments made in the 2015 Paris Agreement, and was "responsible for ecological damage."

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  • Sun, Feb 07, 2021 - 11:15am

    Mohammed Mast

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    France Guilty?

    LOL The whole climate thingy is a political dog and pony show. The global economy runs on fossil fuels. Stop using fossil fuels and you stop eating.

    The meme which runs the world is climate change. Politicians are well aware of all of this. Thus to get reelected they as usual will kowtow to the meme. Then do the needful.

    Nothing more to see here, just politicians being politicians

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  • Sun, Feb 07, 2021 - 11:28am

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    Aristocrats vs “We the People” – John Rubino

    John Rubino is interviewed by Greg Hunter on USAWatchdog at https://usawatchdog.com/aristocrats-vs-we-the-people-john-rubino/

    "Financial writer John Rubino says massive unpayable debt has already bankrupted America, and when this happens, politics are also massively corrupted.  Rubino explains, “When you bankrupt your country, your politics are inherently corrupted by that bankruptcy, and that’s what is happening to us.  We created a financial system . . . that is run by an aristocracy.  It’s not a Right/Left, liberal, socialist or conservative aristocracy.  Look at JPMorgan Chase, Google and General Dynamics.  Look at Mitch McConnell, the big Republicans and the big Democrats.  They are not socialists, and they are not capitalists–they’re aristocrats.  They are mainly interested in a system where the rules apply to you and me but do not apply to them. . . . You need to view those guys as Dukes and Duchesses whose main job is to maintain power over the peasants, then their behavior makes complete sense. . . . Seeing them that way makes their motivation and behavior pretty much crystal clear.”

    Rubino contends, “This won’t change.  You’ve got to have all the peasants grabbing their pitch forks and heading to the castle before it changes.  In the meantime, we are stuck with this system, and it has given us the biggest financial bubble in human history.  That sounds like hyperbole and click bait, but it’s actually not.  If you look at the big financial bubbles we have lived through, junk bond bubble . . . tech bubble and then the housing bubble, they were sector specific financial bubbles where one asset class just blew up.  They became the center of a mania, crashed and almost took down the whole economy.  We now have at least four and maybe five bubbles of that magnitude all going at the same time.  That’s why they call it the ‘Everything Bubble.’ . . . When this thing blows, it’s not just going to be one sector tanking.  It’s going to be all the sectors tanking at once.  It’s going to be astounding.  I wouldn’t want to be Joe Biden when that happens. . . . This is going to be an impossible thing to govern.”

    Rubino warns, “When it becomes obvious that there are no tools to fix any of these markets that are blowing up, that shifts the attention over to currencies.  Because if we can’t fix the financial markets, why would we want to hold these currencies when everything in these financial markets that these currencies kind of govern are going crazy?  So, when this thing blows up, it will shift the pressure over to the dollar.  Thus, this is the whole DollarCollapse.com thing.  Nobody is going to want to hold the dollar or the euro or the yen.  It won’t matter what the governments do because there will be nothing effective for them to do.  That’s when things get really crazy, and people will be glad they have gold and silver among a handful of other things.  It’s completely possible we end back up on a gold standard in 10 years with gold at $10,000 per ounce.  If you are a stacker, this chaos is less terrifying to you because you know your financial life is going to be okay no matter what happens to housing, tech or whatever. . . . We think we have lived through some tough times in the financial markets, but we have never seen anything like what is coming.”"

    Aristocrats vs “We the People” – John Rubino

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  • Sun, Feb 07, 2021 - 5:25pm

    Yoxa

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    No oil = no food?

    Stop using fossil fuels and you stop eating.

    Yep ... so I'm curious, Mohammed, how would you propose that we prepare for the day when the economically accessible fossil fuels are used up? Should we feel any responsibility to posterity about how the remaining reserves are used?

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 4:46am

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    “Settle your mare”,

    it is the only place to start, if you’re convinced. Derrick Jensen is convinced that the only sustainable human was the stone age man.

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 8:43am

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    frontline doctors

    https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/back-away-americas-frontline-doctors

    "Suspicion is immediately aroused when Merritt is identified as a member of “America’s Frontline Doctors,” a handful of conspiracy-minded physicians that include luminaries such as Dr. Stella Immanuel who alleges that alien DNA is being used in medical treatments and that researchers are working on a vaccine to prevent people from becoming religious. She also believes in a conspiracy by the “Illuminati” to destroy the world with abortion, gay marriage, and of all things, children’s toys. As far as gynecological diseases go, they can be caused by having sex with witches and demons that appear in dreams."

    "Then we have the founder of “America’s Frontline Doctors,” Dr. Simone Gold, who was arrested for taking part in the January 6 attack on the Capitol."

    "Initially, there were some seductive results with hydroxychloroquine, but subsequent trials that were better designed failed to produce any positive results and some even suggested complications in terms of heart function. Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic medication used in animals is also championed by America’s Frontline Doctors. While there are theoretical possibilities for some benefit, so far clinical trials have been inconclusive, with some showing no effect, and others demonstrating a decrease in inflammatory markers as well as a shorter time for viral clearance. Certainly, ivermectin is not a “magic bullet” that targets COVID-19 as claimed."

    The article goes on about various conspiracy theories believed by the frontline doctors.  Interesting reading that describes findings not often cited here.

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 8:58am

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    ummmm... Doug?

    Doug posted this;

    "Initially, there were some seductive results with hydroxychloroquine, but subsequent trials that were better designed failed to produce any positive results and some even suggested complications in terms of heart function. Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic medication used in animals is also championed by America’s Frontline Doctors. While there are theoretical possibilities for some benefit, so far clinical trials have been inconclusive, with some showing no effect, and others demonstrating a decrease in inflammatory markers as well as a shorter time for viral clearance. Certainly, ivermectin is not a “magic bullet” that targets COVID-19 as claimed."

    You just look daft publishing stuff like this here... you do know that Chris went to TX just to meet with Dr. Kory, of Ivermectin fame, right?  You Doug are the King of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.  Stay healthy, Jim

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 9:09am

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    “31 Reasons I’m Not Taking the So-Called Vaccine”

    https://gatesofvienna.net/2021/02/31-reasons-why-i-wont-take-the-vaccine/

    31 Reasons Why I Won’t Take the Vaccine

    by Chananya Weissman

    1.

    It’s not a vaccine. A vaccine by definition provides immunity to a disease. This does not provide immunity to anything. In a best-case scenario, it merely reduces the chance of getting a severe case of a virus if one catches it. Hence, it is a medical treatment, not a vaccine. I do not want to take a medical treatment for an illness I do not have.

    2.

    The drug companies, politicians, medical establishment, and media have joined forces to universally refer to this as a vaccine when it is not one, with the intention of manipulating people into feeling safer about undergoing a medical treatment. Because they are being deceitful, I do not trust them, and want nothing to do with their medical treatment.

    3.

    The presumed benefits of this medical treatment are minimal and would not last long in any case. The establishment acknowledges this, and is already talking about additional shots and ever-increasing numbers of new “vaccines” that would be required on a regular basis. I refuse to turn myself into a chronic patient who receives injections of new pharmaceutical products on a regular basis simply to reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a virus that these injections do not even prevent...

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 9:31am

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    FIFY

    "Initially, there were some seductive results with hydroxychloroquine, but subsequent trials that were better designed to fail then failed to produce any positive results"

     

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 10:15am

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    Ummmmm Jim

    Just presenting a different pov.  Does Chris meeting someone make his drug more reliable?

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 10:50am

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    Considering different arguments re: the environment

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 10:52am

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    Umm... guys

    Merrill is not with the FLCCC. It’s Marik. Different doctors.

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 11:08am

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    Chris lends credibility to FLCCC

    Doug....yes having Chris on the FLCCC consulting team enhances it because Chris has posted thousands of fact based arguments informing people about HCQ and IVM. Chris searches out the truth. Chris is a value add to any organization.

    This in stark contrast to you who falsely spins the HCQ trials on late stage patients with up to 4 times the recommended dosage as valid. A sixth grader can understand that these trials were designed to fail. You have destroyed your own credibility by trying to deceive people or .......giving you the benefit of the doubt .....just being ignorant.

    Sorry Doug...you are not credible.

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 11:17am

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    Mark_BC said:

    Is that satire? The point of extraction of the oil is anything but pretty, look at the Alberta oil sands for example.

    The company I work for is moving into lithium mining and the other week we had a company-wide update and the plan is to go with the brines as the source rather than traditional mining which is being deemed to be not as viable. So no conventional mine is required for "brining". Did I just start a new word?

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 11:24am

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    request for Doug

    Hey Doug, I have a request.

    Could you summarize for us the views of the CNN anchors on ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and - in general - options for early outpatient treatment of COVID-19?  I remember that Cuomo's little brother took an HCQ derivative when he got sick.  Have you heard him talk about his treatment?

    Likewise - do they think vitamin-D helps?  How about melatonin?  Vitamin-C?  Quercetin?  Zinc?

    I mean, if you test positive, according to CNN, what options do you have?  Any?  Or just go home and then go to the hospital if you can't breathe?

    It would be great to get the CNN gestalt summarized, since I don't watch it myself.

    Thanks.

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 11:41am

    Mohammed Mast

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    Lithium Problem

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 11:59am

    Mohammed Mast

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    Stone age Man

    Well clearly Derrick was wrong

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 12:08pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Yoxa

    Ah seems like a rhetorical question for which you have an answer. But let's play. Lots of people will die because lots of people could not keep their zippers up.

    But you say "we" who is this "we"?

    You have been around here long enough to know the difference between a predicament and a problem. So do "we" have a problem or a predicament?

    Asking for a friend. I will hang up and listen.

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 12:45pm

    Yoxa

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    I asked you first

    Mohammed, my questions were not rhetorical, I asked because I wanted to know what you thought.

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 1:43pm

    TWalker5

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    Recycling Lithium Batteries

    You guys continue to post about the negative environmental impact of using lithium while ignoring the technology that may makes such concerns obsolete.

    Sustainability

    ABTC is aggressively building a no-waste, economical and environmentally sustainable system to recycle waste and end-of-life lithium-ion batteries from consumer electronics, electric vehicles, and energy storage applications. Such efforts offer the opportunity to positively impact multiple battery metal supply streams, including lithium, nickel, vanadium, manganese, and the ever-volatile cobalt supply chains. ABTC is committed to our larger holistic plan for cleaner, more environmentally-friendly energy.

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 2:39pm

    Steven Kelso

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    Not Exactly.

    Derrick Jensen is being misquoted here. His main premise is that global industrial civilization is unsustainable, and in fact, cities themselves are unsustainable human habitats that require the importation of resources and the exportation of waste.

    His ultimate premise is the same as Martenson's: once an organism (homo sapiens) exhausts it's niche (petroleum) then it will have a drastic reduction in growth (read: die-off).

    The train's speeding off of the tracks, but the cool air rushing through our hair feels good. Humans have managed to keep below a billion for almost 200,000 years until the last 150 odd years, when we set out to octuple our population with petro. It's not sustainable, unless magical thinking begins to manifest things in physical reality.

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 4:33pm

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    I'm sorry Doug, but ...

    character assassination even if accurate, adds nothing to a debate.  It's only value (assuming it's accurate) is in determining the reliability of a given person's views.  But unreliable people are simply that, unreliable.  They could be right, wrong or somewhere in between.

    The intelligent thing to do is to try to find other reliable sources.  If you want to add value to the conversation on ivermectin, don't post a character assassination piece on a doctor with some very bizarre views.  Instead, go to c19ivermectin.com scroll down to the list of dozens of papers on ivermectin and click on ones that look to be worth reviewing. This will reveal a link to a full-text version of the paper.  Download the paper, read it carefully and then post your assessment of the paper's strengths and weaknesses.  Many of us here have done just that, but there are many more papers to assess.

    Or do the same with HCQ.  My research in that area had me conclude that it works fairly well in early treatment, and not at all in late treatment.  As OOG writes in comment #28, those studies that "disproved" it's effectiveness were clearly designed to fail (or designed by fools) through treating hospitalized patients (late stage treatment) and, in some, excessive dosing.  We've rehashed that point many times at this site.  I'm surprised you missed it.

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 4:37pm

    Quercus bicolor

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    Another possibility

    to deceive people or .......giving you the benefit of the doubt .....just being ignorant.

    How about that all-too-common human tendency to emphasize evidence that supports our worldview (or even twist facts so that they seem to support our world view) and to blind ourselves to facts that contradict our world view - because we have so damn much tied up in our world view that the thought of it not being valid totally freaks us out.

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 7:36pm

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    nyhetersverige said:

    #31 is good. 😎

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 7:38pm

    nyhetersverige

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    nyhetersverige said:

    It's hard to take CNN seriously. Seems like CNN will back whatever the establishment support.

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  • Mon, Feb 08, 2021 - 7:49pm

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    nyhetersverige said:

    This slants on several levels. Most of us remember Simone for protesting that good prophylactics exist. To call Fauci 'sound', as this piece does with the proverbial wave of the hand, means one won't read any further. Keep the weak off your team.

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