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    Daily Digest 11/19 – Stanford Researchers Explore Potential for Kelp to Relieve Ocean Acidification, Credit card debt is falling.

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    Thursday, November 19, 2020, 12:07 PM

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Social Isolation During COVID-19 Pandemic Linked With High Blood Pressure

Lockdown due to the COVID-19 pandemic is associated with an increase in high blood pressure among patients admitted to emergency. That’s the finding of a study presented at the 46th Argentine Congress of Cardiology (SAC).

SAC 2020 is a virtual meeting during 19 to 21 November. Faculty from the European Society of Cardiology (ESC) will participate in joint scientific sessions with the Argentine Society of Cardiology as part of the ESC Global Activities programme.

Mnuchin-Powell Split Shows Rare Discord as Economy Struggles

The top two U.S. economic policymakers clashed over whether to preserve emergency lending programs designed to shore up the economy — a rare moment of discord as the nation confronts the risk of a renewed downturn spurred by the resurgent coronavirus.

The disagreement erupted late Thursday when outgoing Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin released a letter to Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell demanding the return of money the government provides the central bank so it can lend to certain markets in times of stress. Minutes later, the Fed issued a statement urging that “the full suite” of measures be maintained into 2021.

Solar Companies Ask Biden To Reverse Trump’s Biggest Blow To The Industry

In January 2018, President Donald Trump slapped tariffs on imported solar panels despite protests from much of the industry, sending jobs in one of the nation’s fastest-growing employment engines tumbling for the following two years.

Now the solar industry is asking President-elect Joe Biden to cut short what was widely seen as Trump’s biggest blow to solar energy during his single term.

The Dystopian “Fourth Industrial Revolution” Will Be Very Different From The First One (tom_p)

If one takes the publications of the World Economic Forum (WEF) as an indication of how the “Fourth Industrial Revolution” will change society, the world is facing a massive onslaught against individual liberty and private property. A new kind of collectivism is about to emerge. Like the communism of the past, the new project appeals to the public with the assurance of technological advancement and social inclusion. Additionally, ecological sustainability and the promise of longevity or even immortality are used to entice the public. In reality, however, these promises are deeply dystopian.

NY Times Says “Great Reset” is a “Conspiracy Theory” on Same Day World Economic Forum Celebrates It (thc0655)

On the same day that the World Economic Forum heralded “The Great Reset” as a positive way to build “future resilience to global risks,” the New York Times declared the entire thing to be a “conspiracy theory.”

Yes, really.

The NYT was apparently upset that “The Great Reset” was trending on Twitter and published an article declaring it to be “A baseless conspiracy theory about the coronavirus.”

Credit card debt is falling. That’s good news — and bad news

We learned this week that household debt is rising, according to the New York Federal Reserve. You can thank the booming housing market for that, along with student and auto loans.

However, that same report found that credit card debt is falling. That’s good news, right? Well, yes and no.

Environment

Texas A&M Expert: Drought Has Returned To Texas

State Climatologist John Nielsen-Gammon says drier and warmer conditions over much of the state could last until spring.

October is usually one of the wettest months in Texas, but many parts of the state received little or no rain during the period. The situation is especially bad in West Texas: In the past six months in Midland, only 1.45 inches of rain have been recorded, breaking a 69-year-old record by an inch, according to figures from the State Climatologist’s office at Texas A&M University.

Stanford Researchers Explore Potential for Kelp to Relieve Ocean Acidification

A new analysis of California’s Monterey Bay evaluates kelp’s potential to reduce ocean acidification, the harmful fallout from climate change on marine ecosystems and the food they produce for human populations.

Ethereal, swaying pillars of brown kelp along California’s coasts grow up through the water column, culminating in a dense surface canopy of thick fronds that provide homes and refuge for numerous marine creatures. There’s speculation that these giant algae may protect coastal ecosystems by helping alleviate acidification caused by too much atmospheric carbon being absorbed by the seas.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 2:21am

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    Big Tech Decides Elections via Manipulation

    https://youtu.be/wqtKQgTps_g
    Robert Epstein on big tech’s political manipulation. Scientist explains how Google and other big tech firms consciously manipulate voting trends without users even knowing.

    watch at least the first 20 minutes. I hope this gets shared far and wide.

    Also, this scientist would make a great interview guest.

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 8:21am

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    Mohammed Mast said:

    Hey redneck good one. I posted this awhile back. It's from July last year.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4814811/user-clip-ted-cruz-questions-robert-epstein-big-tech-election-interference

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  • Sat, Nov 21, 2020 - 10:23am

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    excess elites

    Mauldin picks up on the Great Reset and pulls Peter Turchin into the discussion:

    The December issue of The Atlantic magazine has a fascinating interview with Peter Turchin, a University of Connecticut professor with some unique ideas about human history.  Turchin is actually a zoologist. He spent his early career analyzing population dynamics. Why  does a particular species of beetle inhabit a certain forest, or why does it disappear from that same forest? He developed some general principles for such things, and wondered if they apply to humans, too. Answering that requires data, so he went from studying beetle history to human history.

    One recurring pattern, Turchin noticed, is something he calls “elite overproduction.” This happens when a society’s ruling class grows faster than the number of rulers it needs. (For Turchin, “elite” seems to mean not just political leaders but all those managing companies, universities, and other large social institutions as well as those at the top of the economic food chain.) As The Atlantic describes it:

    One way for a ruling class to grow is biologically—think of Saudi Arabia, where princes and princesses are born faster than royal roles can be created for them. In the United States, elites overproduce themselves through economic and educational upward mobility: More and more people get rich, and more and more get educated. Neither of these sounds bad on its own. Don’t we want everyone to be rich and educated? The
    problems begin when money and Harvard degrees become like royal titles in Saudi Arabia. If lots of people have them, but only some have real power, the ones who don’t have power eventually turn on the ones who do…  Elite jobs do not multiply as fast as elites do. There are still only 100 Senate seats, but more people than ever have enough money or degrees to think they should be running the country. “You have a situation now where there are many more elites fighting for the same position, and some portion of them will convert to counter-elites,” Turchin said.

    The excess elites become counter-elites, who then try to make alliances with the lower classes which usually don’t work out. But my eyebrows went up when I saw how Turchin describes the endgame.

    The final trigger of impending collapse, Turchin says, tends to be state insolvency. At some point rising insecurity becomes expensive. The elites have to pacify unhappy citizens with handouts and freebies—and when these run out, they have to police dissent and oppress people. Eventually the state exhausts all short-term solutions, and what was heretofore a coherent civilization disintegrates.

    Terrifying? Yes. It sounds amazingly like what the WEF proposes. I am sure Klaus Schwab and the others there recognize the frustration that many people have. They are proposing programs to alleviate that frustration—expensive, society-altering programs. But they would still let the game at the top continue.

    But it gets worse.

     

    https://ggc-mauldin-images.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/pdf/TFTF_Nov_20_2020.pdf

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  • Sun, Nov 22, 2020 - 5:30am

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    The Great Krugman speaks

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  • Sun, Nov 22, 2020 - 10:06pm

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    Is Pandemic Over?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/pandemic-over-former-pfizer-chief-science-officer-says-second-wave-faked-false-positive

    Former Pfizer chief scientist takes the Ferguson model and PCR testing to task.

    Also, a video by him going over this information was taken down from YouTube after 2 hours!

    So there are two aspects here:

    1. Is the pandemic really over?

    2. How and why are TPTB suppressing dissent?

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 1:50am

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    Is Pandemic Over?

    Is the pandemic really over?

    Not in my part of the world. The number of positive test results is rising, but what really tells the story is the growing number of people being hospitalized because of  COVID-19 and the level of care they're needing.

    The health system in our area is struggling to keep up and deaths are rising. Not only is COVID-19 a problem in itself, it's disrupting health care for other conditions, with sometimes fatal results. Yet even now, some people think the virus is a hoax and it's their duty to resist public health directives.

    ... a hoax created by arcane forces who can manipulate world leaders like puppets but aren't crafty enough to escape detection by the savants on social media. /sarc

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 3:39am

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    Hardly a savant on social media

    Watch the video before dismissing it. Read the science behind the tests. Dr. Yeadon is hardly uninformed.

    I don't think there is any question that the PCR, the way it is being run, is unreliable.

    Where have we learned about successful treatments/preventives? Online. Certainly NOT public health officials.

    Dr. Yeadon is certainly NOT saying it is a hoax. He is saying our testing process is wrong and therefore our response is misguided.

    He is not alone. He and others that describe the misuse of this test are not "savants on social media". It is incorrect and misleading to describe them as such.

     

    Lockdowns and hygienic measures around the world are based on numbers of cases and mortality rates created by the so-called SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR tests used to identify “positive” patients, whereby “positive” is usually equated with “infected.”

    But looking closely at the facts, the conclusion is that these PCR tests are meaningless as a diagnostic tool to determine an alleged infection by a supposedly new virus called SARS-CoV-2.

    https://bpa-pathology.com/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 5:40am

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    COVID Hospitalizations Very High Right Now

    I will second Yoxa's observations that there are many local pockets where hospitalizations due to COVID are very high and medical facilities are overwhelmed.

    Nurses and doctors report lots of retiring and moving away from hospital care in exhaustion and discouragement.

    As DaveF's graphs have shown repeatedly, Positive PCR tests often don't correlate well with hospitalizations and deaths.  The PCR cycle threshhold (Ct) can be set too high giving lots of positive results, with many of these excess positive results being false positives, meaning the person is not clinically sick nor infectious.

    But hospitalization rates say we are having a major surge in SC2 infections.

    I would personally start HCQ & Zinc 3 days before a Thanksgiving gathering and continue 2 days past the gathering.  I would also take a dose of Ivermectin 0.4 mg/ Kg (double the "standard dose") daily for 2 doses starting at the end of the day of the Thanksgiving gathering.  [This is not formal medical advice, just what I am doing personally based on the best evidence I have seen.]

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    Exercise after COVID infection:  Return to exercise gradually

    A study in JAMA Cardiology looked at 100 men and women in Germany, average age 49, who had recovered from Covid-19, and found signs of myocarditis in 78 percent. Most had been healthy, with no pre-existing medical conditions, before becoming infected. A smaller study of college athletes who had recovered from Covid-19 found that 15 percent had signs of heart inflammation.

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 6:56am

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    Let's use NOFOLLOW against LIARS

    Solar Companies Ask Biden To Reverse Trump’s Biggest Blow To The Industry

    In January 2018, President Donald Trump slapped tariffs on imported solar panels despite protests from much of the industry, sending jobs in one of the nation’s fastest-growing employment engines tumbling for the following two years.

    Now the solar industry is asking President-elect Joe Biden to cut short what was widely seen as Trump’s biggest blow to solar energy during his single term.

    You're linking to well-known liars, and participants in the ongoing attempted coup, with FOLLOW link juice, without any rebuttal from the forces of truth... Why are you helping the people who'd like you censored, if not interned in a concentration camp? USE NOFOLLOW to help us rank high in non-censored search engines!

    You're also linking to ZeroHedge and PJW, so overall it's alright... but remember that they would never extend such a favor to us (if they understand nofollow backlink juice mechanics)!

    @Yoxa
    Not in my part of the world. The number of positive test results is rising, but what really tells the story is the growing number of people being hospitalized because of  COVID-19 and the level of care they're needing.

    Are you kidding me? Do you read this site at all, or do you only post lies the legacy media have told you in an attempt to "inform" us dumbasses who don't believe their incessant lies? The only reason people are needing more care now is because of a return to vitamin D deficiency with the winter. SARS-CoV-2 is now seasonal, just like influenza. That's the real story.

    The health system in our area is struggling to keep up and deaths are rising. Not only is COVID-19 a problem in itself, it's disrupting health care for other conditions, with sometimes fatal results. Yet even now, some people think the virus is a hoax and it's their duty to resist public health directives.

    How is COVID-19 the problem, rather than the lack of using any of the known safe and effective treatments? If someone pulls out a gun and shoots you, if you're then not allowed any effective treatments and you die, is it the gun's fault? No, it's primarily the ones preventing you from getting proper treatment, and secondarily the person who shot you (analogous to the gain-of-function and CCP scientists who made the virus). That's how it's the most obvious hoax ever. How can you let the propaganda machine turn you into a mind-controlled unthinking person?

    ... a hoax created by arcane forces who can manipulate world leaders like puppets but aren't crafty enough to escape detection by the savants on social media. /sarc

    Well yeah, that's what this is ALL about. It's about YOU becoming self-sufficient, YOU becoming the investigator, YOU becoming the source of knowledge that other people look to for guidance... and turning off the TV that is hypnotizing you with absurdly false narratives, like the criminally false notion that we have no effective treatments and thus have to lockdown while we wait for a liability-free experimental vaccine. And then all they have to do to make it look effective is to lower the cycle threshold in their PCR testing, and voilà!

    I can't believe how bad your choices (in terms of who you're choosing to believe) are, to others but especially to yourself, Yoxa.

    @sand_puppy
    I would personally start HCQ & Zinc 3 days before a Thanksgiving gathering and continue 2 days past the gathering.  I would also take a dose of Ivermectin 0.4 mg/ Kg (double the "standard dose") daily for 2 doses starting at the end of the day of the Thanksgiving gathering.  [This is not formal medical advice, just what I am doing personally based on the best evidence I have seen.]

    Don't forget #1, vitamin D, without which a virus with a gain-of-function receptor-binding domain ACE2 affinity enhancement of this caliber will likely come back even if you use HCQ, ivermectin, etc, because your immune system is completely ineffective/useless without vitamin D.

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 7:34am

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    not "savants on social media".

    For the record I was not thinking of the video you reference when I made that comment about savants. I was thinking of the know-it-alls who fill the comments with misinformation and sloppy logic in response to posts on FB, Twitter et al.. Some of the lies are truly dreadful and certain to cost lives. For example, claiming that masks cause brain damage, or that we're being asked to wear masks because evil entities are preparing us for submission to the devil.

    You can't make this stuff up.

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 8:08am

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    tbp said:

    ^ Will you address a single point I made, Yoxa (while you call out other people who are waking up to their lies)?

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 9:11am

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    reasons for increasing hospitalizations

    I agree that vitamin-D deficiency is leading directly to a whole lot more hospitalizations.

    Likewise, deliberately avoiding using outpatient treatments is also causing trouble.  We have several promising candidates, but of course Doctor "1918" Fauci doesn't seem to want to announce any of these as options.  Why have treatments when you can hide in the basement and wash your hands and hunker down?

    His utter failure of leadership is also leading to a lot more hospitalizations.

    So do we blame the virus?  The lack of mask-wearing?  The lack of outpatient treatments?  The winter weather?  The lack of vitamin-D supplementation?  The failure of leadership by our national medical establishment?

    Where do you put the blame?

    And we're gonna get even more of "what didn't work" from Biden, if he manages to get pushed into the Oval.

    You might ask yourself, why are we being this deliberately idiotic?  Is our leadership really this stupid?

    Or is it something else?

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 9:41am

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    I have to reevaluate my expectations for implementing the Great Reset

    So Dave, if “they” can suppress the effective approaches to COVID and illegally steal a US Presidential election in the same calendar year, why can’t they ram the Great Reset down our throats beginning January 21 with President Harris’ support? I initially believed the Great Reset couldn’t happen (except the part about a digital world currency), but now I’m having second thoughts. Maybe “they” can get a lot of that agenda rolling in 2021...

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 9:52am

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    telling dictionary look up results

    As I do my work I frequently reference the dictionary/thesaurus... the last few weeks fascism is making a consistent appearance on the top ten looked up words, along with democracy and contempt. Dare I hope the uninformed masses are becoming more curious about what is going on in response to the onslaught of false and misleading MSM and social media BS?

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 10:00am

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    RandomMike said:

    NYT this AM had hospitalizations decreasing dramatically since day before; cannot find it now.

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 10:26am

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    Yoxa said:

    If someone pulls out a gun and shoots you, if you're then not allowed any effective treatments and you die, is it the gun's fault? No, it's primarily the ones preventing you from getting proper treatment, and secondarily the person who shot you

    On my planet that logic is exactly backwards. The original bodily harm is the primary cause of death. Other factors might be contributory but it's the gun that started the problem.

    The only reason people are needing more care now is because of a return to vitamin D deficiency with the winter. SARS-CoV-2 is now seasonal, just like influenza. That's the real story.

    Vitamin D levels seem likely to be a significant reason why the virus hits some people harder than others. Regardless, it's the virus that starts their problems, not the vitamin. And more people are getting the virus.

    FWIW, where I live it's routine for doctors to prescribe Vitamin D at this time of year.

    their incessant lies

    You won't like this, but I consider "just like influenza" to be a major lie.

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 10:49am

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    Who is to blame? Modifiable variables, or a slightly-harmful virus?

    I agree that vitamin-D deficiency is leading directly to a whole lot more hospitalizations.

    Likewise, deliberately avoiding using outpatient treatments is also causing trouble. We have several promising candidates, but of course Doctor "1918" Fauci doesn't seem to want to announce any of these as options. Why have treatments when you can hide in the basement and wash your hands and hunker down?

    His utter failure of leadership is also leading to a lot more hospitalizations.

    So do we blame the virus? The lack of mask-wearing? The lack of outpatient treatments? The winter weather? The lack of vitamin-D supplementation? The failure of leadership by our national medical establishment?

    Where do you put the blame?

    We obviously have to put the blame on modifiable variables. The virus is not one of them, but all those things you mentioned, are.

    On my planet that logic is exactly backwards. The original bodily harm is the primary cause of death. Other factors might be contributory but it's the gun that started the problem.

    Not when you are deliberately denied care. How can you argue this? The gun is responsible, rather than the ones that shot you and the ones that denied you treatment?

    FWIW, where I live it's routine for doctors to prescribe Vitamin D at this time of year.

    Only ridiculous doses, usually 1000 IU/day at most, and even these are likely the people who don't get severe symptoms. But they tell you it's the virus (gun) and not them (the shooter) and the modifiable variables (the treatments) who are the problem.

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 10:57am

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    just like influenza?

    Yoxa-

    You won't like this, but I consider "just like influenza" to be a major lie.

    For young people, COVID-19 is less lethal than influenza.

    For older people it is more lethal.

    However if you remedy older people's vitamin-D deficiency, the melatonin deficiency, and use early treatment with ivermectin and/or HCQ/Zinc/AZI, its about like influenza.

    Right now, most of the hospitalizations and deaths we are seeing are totally preventable with early outpatient treatment.

    The medical authorities know this.

    What do you call it when they sit by and watch hundreds of thousands of people die unnecessarily?

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 11:14am

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    Yoxa said:

    What do you call it when they sit by and watch hundreds of thousands of people die unnecessarily?

    I could call it many things, none of which would be complimentary to your country.

    But when I see articles posted on Facebook which claim that wearing a mask is a precursor to worshipping the devil, I don't blame the entire mess on your medical establishment.

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 12:01pm

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    The problem

    On my planet that logic is exactly backwards. The original bodily harm is the primary cause of death. Other factors might be contributory but it's the gun that started the problem.

    So, if I beat you to death with a stick, the stick is the problem.

    If I choke you to death, my hands are the problem.

    Got it.

    While I would disagree that the lack of emergency care is an issue, I just don't get the logic behind the weapon of choice being the problem..

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 12:06pm

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    Yoxa said:

    You are changing the context, MarkM.

    The point is that the original bodily harm was the primary cause of death.

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 12:23pm

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    The problem

    Oh, I agree with that statement completely.

    When you said that the gun started the problem, I thought you meant that the gun was the problem. "Other factors might be contributory, but it's the gun that started the problem."

    I just can't see how an inanimate object "starts" a problem.

     

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 12:38pm

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    who has the responsibility

    First issue:

    What do you call it when they sit by and watch hundreds of thousands of people die unnecessarily?

    I could call it many things, none of which would be complimentary to your country.

    So you blame my entire country for the failures of leadership by our medical establishment.  Curious.  You don't blame "the smartest medical people in the room" for the lack of treatments, you blame the normal people, the ones with no training or knowledge.  Really?

    Did you know, this is happening all across Europe too.  They don't have outpatient treatments either.  Shall we blame the citizens of Europe as well for the failures of their medical leadership?

    And Canada.  Do you guys have a standard outpatient treatment regime?  If not - then it is happening in your country as well.  Should we blame the people of Canada for this state of affairs?

    Is this really your belief?  Or did I misunderstand what you were saying?

    Second issue:

    I get the sense that, you believe that if everyone just wore masks, we simply wouldn't have a COVID issue.  (Never mind that Europe wears masks - and they most definitely still have a COVID issue).

    What's the science behind that?  Do you have a study on point?

    Just how many deaths do you believe (because this is ultimately a belief issue - not a science issue) that masks would prevent?  More than 90%?

    Because that's how many deaths that the outpatient treatments - that we know about - would prevent.

    Do you believe that masks are more consequential than treatments?

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 12:45pm

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    Yoxa said:

    MarkM,

    "Gun" was a shortcut to reference the original situation in TBP's example,  with no intent to mean that the gun itself had volition.

    I apologize if my penchant for conciseness created ambiguity.

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 1:18pm

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    Stealth Adapted Viruses - First Video Summarizing Research of Dr. W. John Martin

    Other in the series can be found here:

    https://themyth.net/library/dr-w-john-martin/

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 1:49pm

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    Yoxa said:

    You don't blame "the smartest medical people in the room" for the lack of treatments, you blame the normal people, the ones with no training or knowledge.

    That's not what I said, but if I were portioning out blame your political leadership would get a big share. Your country has politicized the virus in ways that are beyond comprehension when seen from outside your borders.

    As for normal people "with no training or knowledge", it's no shame to lack knowledge but there's definitely something wrong when lies and false logic spread even faster than the virus. I wish I had an answer for that.

    Do you guys have a standard outpatient treatment regime?  If not - then it is happening in your country as well.

    I don't know enough to say anything about our treatments. I do know that our deaths per million stat is less than half the US's, though, so we might be doing a few things right.

    I get the sense that, you believe that if everyone just wore masks, we simply wouldn't have a COVID issue.  (Never mind that Europe wears masks - and they most definitely still have a COVID issue).

    I do believe that masks reduce the spread although I by no means believe they're the sole solution.

    You believe it's stupid / immoral if beneficial treatments are neglected or withheld from infected patients. I agree with that, to the extent that I understand it. I also believe it's stupid / immoral to neglect or discourage a simple, low-cost strategy that slows down the number of people who become infected in the first place.

    Do you believe that masks are more consequential than treatments?

    My thinking is definitely influenced by the old saying that "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." But we need both/and, this isn't either/or.

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 3:48pm

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    What do I call it?

    I Cal it the Trump administration.😷

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 6:51pm

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    BlueMarble said:

    This opinion piece seems to have been posted in january 2020.  we've come a long way since then.

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 6:53pm

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    These quotes are from January 2020

    This opinion piece you cite was posted January 2020

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 6:53pm

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    2020: Year of Conspiracies

    It's amazing how many conspiracy theories went mainstream this year.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/7-things-used-be-crazy-conspiracy-theories-until-2020-happened

    1. UBI

    2. Travel Papers

    3, Mandatory GPS tracking of humans

    4. Cashless Societies

    5. Microchips

    6. Mandatory Vaccines

    7. Re-education Camps

     

    Sigh. It was only a year ago discussing these things was considered unacceptable. Now...

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  • Mon, Nov 23, 2020 - 9:29pm

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    symbolism trumps science

    That's not what I said, but if I were portioning out blame your political leadership would get a big share. Your country has politicized the virus in ways that are beyond comprehension when seen from outside your borders.

    Right.  So Fauci & company basically prevents Americans from being treated with the latest thing, which has been scientifically proven to save - perhaps - 90% of the people infected - under the direct orders from Trump.  Did I get that right?  The lack of treatments is Trump's fault.  Not the NIH.  Not Fauci.  Not the smartest people in the room.  Orange Man Bad.  Is there no end to his perfidy?

    I don't know enough to say anything about our treatments. I do know that our deaths per million stat is less than half the US's, though, so we might be doing a few things right.

    Yeah.  I looked on your government site.  You don't have any treatments either.  "Go home, wash your hands, wear a mask, hide in the basement."

    Do you believe that masks are more consequential than treatments?

    My thinking is definitely influenced by the old saying that "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." But we need both/and, this isn't either/or.

    Let's run an experiment.  Ring up your healthcare provider.  Tell them you'd like to buy medicines for your family in case you get COVID.  What would they advise you to purchase?  And then ask them, is there anything you can take that will help protect you from getting sick in the first place.  What is their "ounce of prevention?"  Wearing a mask, washing your hands?  Anything more?  Then ask them specifically about vitamin D, especially during winter.  See what they say.  How many IU do they recommend?

    I love data.  Truth too.  Perhaps Canada has some amazing ounces-of-prevention that we can all benefit from.  I'm very curious to see what happens if you have the courage to do this.

    I am assuming that - someday - I'll be infected.  (I may have already been infected.  Its hard to say). I believe in "an ounce of prevention" too, except for me its more like a pound of prevention.

    I see my job is to provide as hostile a terrain as possible for the virus when it lands.  Does my government provide me any help?  No.  Suggestions on preparing my terrain: Vitamin D?  Melatonin?  Exercise?  Lose weight?  Better diet?  Nope.  None of the above.  (My healthcare provider gives general hints, but doesn't put any real wood behind the arrow.  "avoid stress, drink less.")  Why do you think that is?  Trump, I guess.  It is his fault.  Right?

    Science tells us that wearing masks outside is pointless, because the virus doesn't pass outside.  And yet, people are required by many state governments to wear masks outside.  Why do you think that is?

    Does Canada - or your provincial government - require wearing masks outdoors?  If so, do you believe this is "an ounce of prevention?"  If so, what's the scientific basis for this?  I have a scientific basis behind all my pound-of-prevention.

    Just how much is an ounce of unnecessary, unscientific prevention worth?

    I mean, I believe in the placebo effect just as much as the next guy, so if you think it helps you, it probably does.  But not because of science.  And for me, since I don't believe in unnecessary, unscientific prevention - it won't help me at all.

    The preventions that actually do work - nobody cares about.  The preventions that don't work - they have become the focal point of everything.  Symbolism trumps science.

    The Fourth Turning.

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  • Tue, Nov 24, 2020 - 12:30am

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    Yoxa said:

    Does Canada - or your provincial government - require wearing masks outdoors?

    Not that I've heard of. Yes for public spaces indoors, though, in more and more places.

    People sometimes end up wearing their masks outdoors for the simple reason that it's easier to keep it on rather than to put it on and off when moving in and out of zones where it's required. Also, if your mask fits well you can forget that you're wearing it.

    scientifically proven to save - perhaps - 90% of the people infected

    I'm missing something here. In the early months of the pandemic, ~97% survived even when we were only guessing about how to treat it. How is it progress to "save - perhaps - 90% of the people infected"?

    As for "orange man bad" ... that's a topic for a different day. That's all I'll say about that.

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  • Tue, Nov 24, 2020 - 12:51am

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    i misspoke

    Yoxa-

    I'm missing something here. In the early months of the pandemic, ~97% survived even when we were only guessing about how to treat it. How is it progress to "save - perhaps - 90% of the people infected"?

    Yes I mis-spoke.  What I meant to say was that if people who test positive, and get treatments that we know about, there will be 90% fewer deaths.  That is - 90% of people who are dying today from COVID didn't need to die.

    That holds true for hospitalizations as well.

    So if 90% of deaths and 90% of hospitalizations are unnecessary - due to treatments which are available, but not talked about by our national health organizations - this seems pretty reprehensible to me.

    All we talk about is mask-wearing.  This is a tool from 1918.  We have so many better options available.  Mask-wearing is a symbol, a distraction.

    Sure.  I wear mine in the subway too.  It makes everyone around me that is fearful feel better.  It is definitely a stress-reducer for those people.  But I rely on prophylaxis and treatments for my real pound-of-prevention.  I place little faith in masks.  Maybe they're a gram of prevention, in the scheme of things?

    Did you know - those who lived in a community where everyone had high vitamin D levels had a lower overall level of infection rate?  It appeared to be a form of herd immunity that protected everyone around them.  That came out of Israel's population study.  Perhaps if everyone around you took vitamin-D, it would provide you an even better protection-of-others than the Great and Glorious 1918 Cloth Mask.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.04.20188268v1.full.pdf

    Ultimately, a mask policy just gives the gang in charge a visible way to show "they are doing something to protect the people."  Gotta wear a mask.  See, we're protecting you.

    No treatments that could save lives, of course.

    But the 1918 mask?  You bet.  Everyone has to wear one.  It is the state's way of showing "they care."

    In fact, it is their only such way.

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  • Tue, Nov 24, 2020 - 2:17pm

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    You can stop believing that masks work

    In Post #26, Yoxa wrote:

    I do believe that masks reduce the spread although I by no means believe they're the sole solution.

    You believe it's stupid / immoral if beneficial treatments are neglected or withheld from infected patients. I agree with that, to the extent that I understand it. I also believe it's stupid / immoral to neglect or discourage a simple, low-cost strategy that slows down the number of people who become infected in the first place.

    Yoxa,

    I just came across this article on ZeroHedge that was authored by Dr. Ron Paul. I'll include a couple of pertinent snippets.

    Ron Paul On COVID-19: We Must Not Allow Politics To Dictate Science
    First is the Danish mask study, which was completed several months ago but was only recently published in a peer-reviewed journal. The study took two groups and gave the first group masks to wear with instruction on how they should be used. The other group was the mask-free control group.

    The study found that coronavirus spread within the statistical margin of error in each group. In other words, wearing the mask did little if anything to control the spread of the virus.

    As the wearing of masks is still being mandated across the country and the globe, this study should be reported as an important piece of counter-evidence. At the very least it might be expected to invite a rush of similar studies to refute or confirm the results.

    However, while mostly ignored by the media, when it was covered the spin on the study was so strange that the conclusion presented was opposite to the findings. For example, the Los Angeles Times published an article with the headline, “Face mask trial didn’t stop coronavirus spread, but it shows why more mask-wearing is needed.”

    Please read that last paragraph again. Mass media is ignoring and/or spinning the story. Why won't they report the truth? I don't know what happens in your world, but in mine, I expect them to report the truth. When they don't, I lose faith in their reporting abilities. Unfortunately, this isn't the first incidence of mass media infidelity. I really don't trust them much regarding news items of significance. Do you?

    So, we have a peer-reviewed, published scientific study (wouldn't Doug consider that the gold standard of science?) that "found that coronavirus spread within the statistical margin of error in each group." Based on this scientific study, should government use their power to require the populace to wear masks out in public?

    I really don't have an issue if you choose to wear a mask. I also don't have an issue if a store/restaurant/airline/etc. voluntarily requires me to wear a mask in order to be a patron. I'll just choose another option. If no other option is available, I'll forego their services or grudgingly acquiesce. Then, it becomes my choice to comply.

    Please don't think that I deny the existence of Covid. I bought a few boxes of N95 masks back in January. Because of legal requirements, I wear one while shopping; otherwise, I'd save them for working in my shop. I'm near Davefairtex's camp. I've increased vitamin/mineral intake and I've stockpiled medicines that have shown efficacy against Covid (in poor countries.) I also make my own colloidal silver solution that I use as needed. Just because I do this, should the government require you to do the same thing? I think not!

    And, finally, the other promised snippet from Ron Paul's article:

    Sadly, “trust the science” has come to mean “trust the narrative I support.” That is a very dangerous way of thinking and can prove to be deadly.

    Grover

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  • Tue, Nov 24, 2020 - 3:36pm

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    Yoxa said:

    Hi Grover,

    I tried to look at the studies Zerohedge referred to but neither ZH nor Ron Paul's original article provided links to the studies that I could find. I do agree that mainstream science coverage has problems, but that's no improvement.

    Those studies would likely be useful to examine, but no matter what they found the matter needs a lot more than two studies before anyone can make start making contrarian pronouncements.

    What else ya got? Do you have links for the two studies that Paul referred to?

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  • Tue, Nov 24, 2020 - 4:30pm

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    Here You Go, Yoxa

    Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers
    A Randomized Controlled Trial

    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

    Yoxa,

    I'm glad that you are taking the time to look into this issue. Wearing masks may seem like an insignificant protective measure that should be required for access to public spaces. There is a sinister aspect to it. Because we can't tell if someone is infected and may be contagious, we have to assume that they are. That instills fear, and the image of masks on fellow humans reinforces the fear that they may infect us.

    At the same time that our governments are requiring us to wear masks, they are ignoring cheap and mostly effective methods to keep people from getting infected, reduce the severity of infection, and reduce mortality. Simply advocating for sufficient blood levels of vitamin D3 would do far more than masks do. Why don't the governments advocate for such a cheap and simple strategy? As a side question, why did the US Food and Drug Administration prohibit doctors from prescribing hydroxychloroquine? Who wins with these decisions?

    It's probably easier to show who loses if cheap over-the-counter drugs and vitamins gain a threshold into the common consumer's mind. Big Pharma loses bigly. They have active lobbying arms to ensure compliance amongst our congressional representatives. If you've watched any US commercial television, you've probably noted how many commercials are for drug products. Do you think any media is going to bite the hand that feeds them (purchases commercials to support them)? That's just common sense explaining why media ignore these stories.

    Here's a Breitbart article entitled:
    Delingpole: Why Won’t Top Medical Journals Publish Landmark Danish Mask Study?
    Grover

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  • Tue, Nov 24, 2020 - 4:58pm

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    Yoxa said:

    Because we can't tell if someone is infected and may be contagious, we have to assume that they are.

    That's true with or without masks. More thoughts later ...

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  • Tue, Nov 24, 2020 - 5:23pm

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    Grover - that's a crap study

    The Danish mask study is the most ill-cited study to date.

    Reading it we see:

    a) at the time that the mask wearing cohort was out and about, less than 5% of the gen pop was wearing masks.

    b) they were given surgical masks with ear loops - the least likely to stop an infection if you're basically the only one wearing it

    c) They only wore them when out and about.  Not at home. Neither were the other members of their household wearing them at home.  We all know that 'at home' is the main route of infection, not being outside.

    So all I can conclude from this study is that wearing a surgical mask outside when practically nobody else is doesn't do squat.

    But, of course, I wouldn't need a study to tell me as much.  Common sense will do.

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  • Tue, Nov 24, 2020 - 5:32pm

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    Better

    Yoxa wrote:

    "Because we can't tell if someone is infected and may be contagious, we have to assume that they are." [from Grover]

    That's true with or without masks. More thoughts later ...

    Yoxa,

    I'm glad we agree. Wouldn't it be better to make sure your own immune system is up to par than substandard? Wouldn't it be better to have adequate treatment options available in case anyone does get infected? Wouldn't it be great if the people we are supposed to trust with this science would actually engage in good science that's worthy of trust?

    Grover

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 1:42am

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    masks are most critical - at home

    The evidence is clear - at least to me - that masks are most critical at home.  That was the study from - I think it was Hong Kong I referenced way back at the start of this thing, for influenza.  If both sides at home wore masks - AT HOME - then the uninfected people tended not to get infected.

    Home: poorly ventilated, with 8-12 hours of close contact per day.  It is literally the perfect place to spread a virus.

    So if we are "following the science", we should wear masks at home. That, and on buses and subways.  But that's it.  Home, and transport.  That's it.  You fix the faucet that is leaking - not the ones that work fine.

    But what does the government do?  In many places in the US, you must wear masks everywhere - outdoors, at restaurants, stores, bars, gyms.  Lots of places where transmission is least likely.

    And yet - home is the single largest problem, by a factor of maybe 3 or 4.  This seems kind of odd.  All the enforcement is in the places where it matters least.

    Yoxa - do you wear a mask at home?  You should.  That's where transmission happens.  Factor of 3 or 4.  Do you really care about your loved ones?  Wear a mask at home.

    And you might consider improving your terrain so the virus doesn't have a chance to infect you.  Good vitamin-D levels provide a level of herd immunity, we saw that in the study from Israel.

    If everyone in your household has good vitamin-D levels, it might be just as effective as wearing that mask at home.  Maybe more effective.  Does the government tell us this?

    Nope.

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 1:59am

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    Masks

    Chris,

    Thanks for chiming in. Firstly, I'd like to thank you for all the work you've done throughout this year to identify the status of the coronavirus. Because of you, I was able to stock up on necessities before the general public had a clue what was happening. I was able to purchase N95 masks, gloves, a UVC disinfectant lamp, and copious amounts of toilet paper while they were still cheap and available. I even shaved my face so I could get a good fit with my N95 mask. I haven't done that in over 3 decades. I've since allowed facial hair to cover my face as I've learned more ... as a public service.

    Your efforts informed me about early treatment with hydroxychloroquine and zinc, the benefits of vitamin D3, and good nutrition. You educated me on the PCR test and what happens as higher Cts (doublings) cause positive readings that may not be clinically significant. Earlier this Fall, you supplied a video that basically said that we know enough about the virus and treating it to stop making videos about it. (These are my words and my interpretation of what I remember you saying. Please correct me if I'm way off base.) Bottom line is that I sincerely appreciate all your efforts.

    That said, I'd really like to address the pros and cons of wearing a mask. I remember Dr. Fauci saying at one point that masks really didn't work. Then, he did an about face and required all of us to wear a mask in public. I have to wonder what gave him such a drastic change of heart. Either masks work ... or they don't. Perhaps it is a little more nuanced than that. After all, even wearing a N100 mask isn't any guarantee that the wearer won't contract Covid. There are many issues including the way the mask is worn, how it is put on, how it is taken off, and how it is potentially disinfected after use. Then, coronavirus can also bypass the mask completely and infect the eyes directly or be ingested with food.

    I'm always amazed when I go to a store and see the people obediently wearing masks. The vast majority are the flimsy paper masks (with elastic ear bands) the stores provide or the fashionable cloth masks with colorful ink, printed sayings, or pictures of one sort or another. These are mostly ill fitting with noticeable gaps around the nose. Some people even expose their nose and only cover the mouth. Then, there are folks who actually remove the mask to sneeze or cough. After all, who in their right mind would want that icky phlegm stuck in a mask?

    Common sense may say that masks prevent transmission, but common practice suggests that there is a wide variety of compliance levels with mask requirements. The point I'm trying to make is that masks aren't as effective as you'd like to pretend they are. Do you have a study that definitively documents any/all of these variations of masks and user abilities? I haven't found any. As I said to Yoxa, I don't have a problem with her deciding to voluntarily wear a mask. I don't have a problem with any private business voluntarily requiring facial coverings. I have a problem when government uses its power to require me to comply without the scientific backing behind it. Why doesn't that bother you?

    Let's look at the cons of facial coverings. I've heard that humans are the only animal that blushes (or needs to.) We have evolved to use facial expressions to enhance communication. I have difficulty hearing under the best of circumstances. I rely on visual cues to get the gist of the conversation. For me, masks really reduce the utility of face-to-face communications. Imagine the embarrassment of someone asking "where are you from?" and you nod your head and say "yes." That's happened to me. As a result, I find myself avoiding conversations in public as much as possible. If you pay attention to your actions, you'll see that you rely on facial cues to a large part as well.

    Humans are social creatures. The worst punishment in prison is to lock up a recalcitrant prisoner in isolation. (Note: I understand there is a difference between face masks and lockdowns. Is it a binary difference or more of a slippery slope?) For a while, only essential businesses were allowed to function in many parts of the country. With the resurgence of cases, many parts of the country are starting the lockdowns again. What does that do to the finances of business owners and their employees? What does that do to a person's self worth? Have suicides and violence increased as a result? Shouldn't we logically attribute such negative effects on masks and/or lockdowns?

    Finally, there is the current government response to wash hands, wear a mask, and social distance. That's it. Why don't they use the treatment knowledge you have scouted for your listeners? Are they that daft? I don't think so. Are they trying to meme us and corral us? That makes more sense. After all, if they can get us to comply with face masks, it won't be too much more difficult to require the next step (like mandatory vaccines) ... and then the next step ... and on and on. As I mentioned earlier, many branches of government are already talking about shutting down the economy because record numbers of Covid cases are being discovered and hospitals are filling up.

    So, why are record numbers of cases appearing? Are they possibly using Cts well beyond what would indicate a clinical case? And, what is the treatment protocol available to MDs to treat mild cases of Covid? Is it appreciably more than "take 2 aspirin and call me if it gets worse"? Why aren't the doctors providing their patients with good prescriptions? Oh, that's right. The AMA doesn't recognize any other treatment for early stage Covid. If a doctor prescribes anything the AMA doesn't approve of, the doctor puts themselves at financial risk. And what's the end result? The sick get sicker until they're admitted to the ICU. Then, the ICUs fill up and politicians demand more draconian measures. Wash, rinse, repeat. More appropriately: Wash, mask, distance.

    So, hopefully you can see that the issue of wearing masks is much more nuanced than what it is being sold as. If the government were to allow doctors to use the cheap treatments that poor countries have used successfully, and then ask me to wear a mask when necessary, I'd likely comply. Would masks really be necessary if we can slow/stop Covid before it starts?

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 3:10am

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    Yoxa said:

    And you might consider improving your terrain so the virus doesn't have a chance to infect you.

    Why do you assume that I'm not already doing everything I know to "improve my terrain"?

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 3:40am

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    assumptions

    Why do you assume that I'm not already doing everything I know to "improve my terrain"?

    Oh that's simple.  You just write about masks.  And Trump.  If you wrote about other things, I'd assume they were important to you.  But from what I can tell - top of your list is: masks and Trump.

    Human nature is - we write about the stuff that is important to us.

    So - just curious - are you wearing that mask at home?

    And what terrain modifications do you feel are most important for you?

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 3:44am

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    Susan7 said:

    Dave, wearing a mask at home is irrational . Should we wear cloth or paper masks while eating? Showering? Doing housework? How about when sleeping? Should we rebreathe our own air 8-10 hours a day?  Should we refrain from touching, adjusting, temporarily removing these masks all day long? Should we wear masks at home when all family members are well?

    Please, I’ll listen to whatever data you can present to support this bizarre practice but there isn’t any scientifically-derived support for it. Fauci was telling the truth the first time he lectured us.

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 4:02am

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    masks & transmission

    Susan-

    This is just logic.

    If masks work, then you should 100% wear them where the infection risk is highest.

    Infection risk is highest - by a factor of 3 or 4 - at home.  Transport is a distant second.  And everything else is much lower than transport.  Outside, risk is just about zero.

    You wear a motorcycle helmet when you are riding a motorcycle.  Right?  That time when your risk of head impact injury is highest.  Duh, of course.

    But we are doing the equivalent of being forced to wear our motorcycle helmet when we are walking around town, where risk of head injury is practically nonexistent, we wear it also when driving the city streets at low speed, which makes a little more sense, and then we take it off when we start to ride the motorcycle on the freeway at 65 mph!

    Do I wear masks at home?  I do not.  I feel exactly the same way you do about it.  Just on subways & trains.  And in stores, if they really want me to.

    But the math says I really, really should!

    This fundamental contradiction is also why I say, focus on the terrain.  It will help about 10x more, as a practical matter, than mask wearing.  Which you don't do - and I don't do, none of us do - where the math tells us it matters most.

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 4:26am

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    My 16 yr old daughter decided on her own to wear her mask at home since we let her socialize

    Good morning-

    My 16 yr old daughter wears her mask at home when she leaves her room.  She has her own bathroom and she uses our other kitchen.  She just started doing it on her own when we let her socialize more.   She said "It takes two seconds and this is an indoor environment" (not really as we have our house open all the time but the bedrooms are enclosed with room AC units, but it is more enclosed than outside yes.)  I never said anything either way, but I am glad she is doing that.  I told her about the Great Reset and let her watch the official videos.  At one point in the video, the robot loving woman speaking melodically says "I don't know if I am an optimist or pessimist"...My daughter interjects and says "You're an asshole lady".  She finished the videos and declared . "Yeah -well not my future." She then went out and bought a used iphone with her own money (150) to use for her incognito work against the Great Reset.  She called her friends and they have some plans to offset things.

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 4:38am

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    I think we’re actually on the same page

    Ok, I think I understand your argument. It’s sound but only if one grants the first premise. “ If masks work.”  If they attenuated the risk of infection it would be a reasonable recommendation. But short of using N95s with additional face shields it’s all just theater. But I think we agree that the emphasis on masking is misplaced. If only a fraction of the energy expended on mask enforcement were allocated instead to strengthening immunity, coupled with cheap, effective early treatment for infections we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. Thanks for your reply. I always enjoy your perspective.

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 4:52am

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    Oh that's simple.  You just write about masks.  And Trump

    Yeesh, Dave, YOU mentioned Trump before I did.

    If you go back and look at my first mention of masks in this thread, the concern was misinformation on social media. How about we discuss that?

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 4:54am

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    THIS

    To quote the cranky Dr Kats - THIS:

    If only a fraction of the energy expended on mask enforcement were allocated instead to strengthening immunity, coupled with cheap, effective early treatment for infections we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

    This is exactly, 100% how I feel too.

    And here's something else I also claim.  If masks worked well, they wouldn't be mandating them.  In fact, they might even be forbidding them.

    That's just where we are.

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 4:58am

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    more important subjects

    Yoxa-

    I'm not going to be forced back into a hole where we just talk about things of little consequence.  I'll repost Susan's succinct statement.

    If only a fraction of the energy expended on mask enforcement were allocated instead to strengthening immunity, coupled with cheap, effective early treatment for infections we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

    Hmm.  Perhaps the "normal people" have figured out - intuitively - that the mask enforcement is a misdirect.  That they are being offered something largely useless and symbolic (wear masks outside!) instead of treatments that work, which are being withheld.  And this makes them annoyed.

    In some sense, if they are being forced to wear cloth masks in some particularly useless circumstances, and extremely effective treatments are withheld at the same time - by this same group - then the masks really are a sign of Satan.  Because only Satan would do such a thing.  Satan, or in the modern age, Pharma-controlled NIH.  Same thing, really.

    [EDIT] And let me lastly apologize to you.  You are not the problem at all.  I am extremely annoyed at our medical authorities who have killed hundreds of thousands.  You just triggered me by bringing up "masks as the solution", when in fact, they are just a small, sad shadow of the interventions we should have deployed on a nationwide basis maybe six months ago.

    But again, I apologize.  I'm really not upset at you at all.  You certainly aren't responsible for any of that.

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 5:16am

    Mohammed Mast

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    Mary

    Clearly you are a great mom and raised your daughter right. KUDOS

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 9:10am

    Jim H

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    Reply to Mary...

    What a wonderful story.  One of my greatest joys in life is that both of my grown kids (one still in college, one out with working now with MPH) are WIDE AWAKE and we are able to have these kind of conversations as well.  I can't talk to either of my brothers about much of anything, and my relations with my elderly mother are strained, but my kids are cool.  I didn't help teach them what to think, rather I modeled for them the need to think.. the need to be analytical.. the need to question and develop an independent position.

    Unlike most of those stuck in the matrix who readily adopt the practice of censorship, neither of my kids is intolerant of their friends who live in the world of the synthetic narrative... part of the true genius of the synthetic narrative is that it effectively teaches it's inhabitants to be militant censors.  We live in an era of digital book burnings.. and the people in the matrix don't even understand the gravity of it - in fact they are happy about it;

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 9:22am

    thc0655

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    Ignorance is bliss

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 10:01am

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    nordicjack

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    jim censorship

    Its hard to believe the US media is not chinese state media..  maybe worse.   I guess all for freedom of speech.

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 2:18pm

    lyonssf

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    Censorship

    Speaking of censorship. The war against free thought continues.

    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/demanding-silicon-valley-suppress?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxMzQ4OTgsInBvc3RfaWQiOjIwMDgzOTkyLCJfIjoiNzg2TnciLCJpYXQiOjE2MDYzMTMwOTksImV4cCI6MTYwNjMxNjY5OSwiaXNzIjoicHViLTEyODY2MiIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.zp6VLhTCb_n9QbojWChcDxj4WTGkmJscAaUkSb3_ja0

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-uk-intel-agencies-declare-cyber-war-independent-media

     

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 2:40pm

    #56

    thc0655

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    Can PP stand a little sarcasm about mask wearing?

    https://twitter.com/epigwhisp/status/1331105675036901377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1331105675036901377%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theburningplatform.com%2Fpage%2F2%2F

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  • Wed, Nov 25, 2020 - 4:23pm

    #57

    gallantfarms

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    How to Wear Your Mask Like a Boss

    From the Highwire:  See how to properly wear your mask as shown by Fauci, Pelosi, Biden and more!

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