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    Daily Digest 10/8 — Global Wheat Prices up 41% with Consumption Hitting ‘All-Time High’; Rising Chip Prices Fuel Samsung’s Best Quarterly Profit in 3 Years…

    by Whitney

    Friday, October 8, 2021, 9:34 AM

Economy

Global wheat prices up 41% with consumption hitting ‘all-time high’ – Agriland

Global wheat prices are up 41% on last year due to “tightening export availabilities amid strong demand”, the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) of the UN has reported this week.  World cereal output in 2021 is on course to hit an all-time record of 2.8 billion tonnes, but that is less than the anticipated consumption requirements in the 2021/2022 marketing season, according to FAO projections.

World wheat prices are up almost 4% in September compared to August. Rice prices also rose in September, while those of maize increased by a moderate 0.3% – averaging 38% higher year-on-year.

Rising chip prices fuel Samsung’s best quarterly profit in 3 years – Reuters

Samsung Electronics Co Ltd (005930.KS) on Friday flagged a 28% jump in its third-quarter operating profit to the highest in three years, driven by rising memory chip prices and display sales for new flagship smartphone launches.

The preliminary result was up 26% from the second quarter, although just below forecasts, while the market reaction was further muted as analysts pencilled in a flat or slightly lower result this quarter on an expected fall in memory chip prices.

US Senate averts crisis by voting to extend debt ceiling – BBC

The US Senate has voted to temporarily raise the nation’s debt limit, avoiding a historic default that experts say would have devastated the economy.

Senators agreed to increase the limit by $480bn (£352bn), which will cover the US until early December.  The bill was approved in a 50-48 vote, following weeks of partisan fighting.

Ireland ends 12.5% tax rate in OECD global pact – Guardian

Ireland has dropped its cornerstone low-tax policy of the past 18 years, which helped persuade some of the world’s biggest companies, including Google and Facebook, to site their European headquarters in Dublin.

The decision comes after months of wrangling over the fine print of an Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) agreement to operate a 15% minimum tax rate in more than 130 countries.

Environment

GM’s new electric SUV is at least $10,000 cheaper than Tesla’s Model 3 – Quartz

A century-old carmaker plans to beat Elon Musk at his own game.

Yesterday (Oct. 6), General Motors (GM) told investors it plans to take the lead in electric vehicle (EV) sales in the US. Part of this ambitious plan hinges on releasing a new electric SUV priced at about $30,000—more than $10,000 cheaper than the cheapest Tesla, the Model 3 sedan. GM did not share a timeline for this but it seems plausible, especially given that Tesla routinely hikes prices.

Ancient groundwater: Why the water you’re drinking may be thousands of years old – The Conversation

As rising temperatures and drought dry up rivers and melt mountain glaciers, people are increasingly dependent on the water under their feet. Groundwater resources currently supply drinking water to nearly half the world’s population and roughly 40% of water used for irrigation globally.

What many people don’t realize is how old – and how vulnerable – much of that water is.

Health

The Cult of the Vaccine – Matt Taibbi Substack

Yesterday, I ran a story that had nothing to do with vaccines, about the seeming delay of the development of a drug called molnupiravir (see the above segment with the gracious hosts of The Hill: Rising for more). In the time it took to report and write that piece, conventional wisdom turned against the drug, which is now suspected of ivermectinism and other deviationist, anti-vax tendencies, in the latest iteration of our most recent collective national mania — the Cult of the Vaccine.

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  • Fri, Oct 08, 2021 - 12:41pm

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    westcoastjan

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    Wish I had one of these...

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  • Fri, Oct 08, 2021 - 6:29pm

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    Who is behind the bioweapon? Do we know that they are human?

    I'm on a trip and talking with old friends and family.  Three times I have been asked by close friends if I am sure that whatever is behind this darkness is human.

    No I don't know.

    I'm keeping an open mind though.   What are the technologies/techniques that maintain the mass psychosis?  Who is behind it?

    I read lots of imaginative SciFi and a wide net of ideas on this is striking a cord.

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  • Fri, Oct 08, 2021 - 7:20pm

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    thecountmc said:

    If you want to go off this down this rabbit hole... 1st obvious theory is religious" devil/demon etc..", 2nd one is Bob Lazar in the 80's at area 51 who was the 1st to reveal S4, element 115 and the hand bone scanner used on the stealth "all claimed conspiracy and later proven true", Not only was he claiming he worked on reverse engineering UFO's also claimed he read top secret docs that throughout history "Aliens" had modified our genetic code 16 times..  watching the Spanish video link here in comments about black eyed advanced vaccinated babies made me wonder about a 17th time? Not saying I believe either theory.. but you asked to go there.......

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  • Fri, Oct 08, 2021 - 7:29pm

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    thecountmc said:

    Also if you are into Sci fi... watch the 1984 mini series V and V the final battle - 6 hours total both available on ebay for under $10.. non human part of it aside.. everything else in that series seems to match current reality including demonizing doctors and scientists..., fake media etc  although its eerie .. it was also the top rated mini series .. good entertainment at least.. I pulled my icon from it

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  • Fri, Oct 08, 2021 - 9:49pm

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    The $600 Protest

    So Washington put out a trial balloon about tracking bank transactions over $600 to “stick it to the rich.” This would be yet another bump up in the power of the surveillance state. Banks would be compelled to report all such transactions regardless of any considerations.

    A friend had a great idea for a protest: set up checking accounts at two banks and transfer $600 back and forth often (maybe daily or weekly).  If enough people did this, the weight of compliance would force change.

    Not ideal but a clever idea.

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  • Fri, Oct 08, 2021 - 9:59pm

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    SP

    I have wondered if this isn’t a spiritual war.

    i am a disciple of Tolkien, C.S.Lewis, Wendell Berry...

    ”The most alarming sign of the state of our society now is that our leaders have the courage to sacrifice the lives of young people in war but have not the courage to tell us that we must be less greedy and wasteful.” W. Berry

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  • Fri, Oct 08, 2021 - 10:24pm

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    RR

    Hi RR,

    I too am thinking more about it being a spiritual war.   And wondering if the forces in play are more than we know about.

    Then a friend posted this on his FB page which helped settle my discourage spirit.

    Bigger picture here

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  • Fri, Oct 08, 2021 - 10:28pm

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    Hope New Zealand - music video

    This just arrived in my inbox and absolutely made my day. Enjoy

    https://youtu.be/VxKY6WGaL54

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  • Fri, Oct 08, 2021 - 10:28pm

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    Weekend History Lesson: Neo-Con Squirms





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  • Fri, Oct 08, 2021 - 10:33pm

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    Look at the growth of trans humanism movement- Anything may be possible

    Why the push to alter people's DNA with an untested therapy? Kill off the population...perhaps...but could it also be for control and conditioning?

    Altering/controlling humans through CRISPR, mRNA, chemical, or electronic means (Voice of God technology, 5G, etc.) seems to be the goal for agencies like DARPA. China has been doing incredible work over the last ten years without the cumbersome regulatory red tape.  We found out even NIH has been creating chimeras, and that's just what they've allowed us to know.

    HAARP has been altering the ionosphere for years with the great weather wars playing out among nations. Watch the DARPA /Boston Dynamics videos- you think altering humans through electronics hasn't happened?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o0FZalxIYw

    Regarding transhumanism : There is a World Trans humanist Association- now IEET, Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies pushing all of this.  There are Mormon, Buddhist, etc. Transhumanist groups. The NIH was just busted for using aborted baby heads to make chimeras in the lab. What else is going on?

    Although Tom Horne is a Christian author, his video explanation of the movement comprehensively addresses all aspects and players on the field. If you don't know about it, you need to watch.

    https://mrtrueman.posthaven.com/tom-horn-on-transhumanism

    Around 15:00 he talks about tax dollars being spent at Case Law School to develop the guidelines for human enhancement and legal implications for society. They are using test subjects who have been enhanced in a field study to try and answer how much of your DNA must be human to be considered human...90% ...75%? This was 2006. No published results...hmm.  The study guy Mehlman PhD  began to lecture; one is Directed Evolution: Public Policy and Human Enhancement.  What's going on in 2021?

    Who is behind it? Million dollar question. If I were a non human looking to infiltrate, wouldn't espionage be better for me? Here's a Temple University Professor Dr. Jacobs who adamantly believes there is an ongoing alien/human hybrid program. Is he right...who knows?

    https://www.darkjournalist.com/s-jacobs2.php

    Please look at the progression: First annihilate nationalism, then the family, then open sexual relations to anything, then destroy what it means to be a man or woman, (a fact so obvious that to say otherwise would be insane, right?), then you can ask "what does it mean to be human?" Will we have Isle of Dr. Moreau walking around? Could you conceive that it may have happened before? Perhaps the Egyptian hieroglyphs and Greek vases depicting centaurs and winged men with bird heads were actually what they saw. There are Biblical and extra biblical accounts of races of Nephilim - dog headed men and the long necked Anakim.  If these accounts are true, where did this technology originally come from?

    When humans think themselves so clever that all they desire is within reach, that they are masters of all, mini-gods; look out. The scripture from the Garden comes to mind, "For God knows that on the day you eat from it (Tree of Knowledge of good/evil) your eyes will be opened, and you will become like God, knowing good and evil.” And we all know how well that's turned out.

     

     

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 8:38am

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    Spiritual War- SandPuppy and RR

    SandPuppy and RR, thanks for sharing your comments about this topic.  I am absolutely convinced that this is a spiritual war.  When else have we seen ALL the world's governments unify on a topic?  Of course, we suspect there are some examples in world history, but can we trust recorded history if we haven't personally witnessed it?  Isn't it written from that person or culture's perspective?  Yes, this whole charade is being controlled by one entity and it's not a human.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 9:21am

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    Spiritual War

    I'm glad someone has raised this topic because I have been hesitating to do so, not wanting to be considered a total flake. But now that we have someone so well respected as SP doing it I am emboldened to add my two cents' worth.

    As a practitioner of Western core shamanism, I interact regularly with the world of the spirits, which are non-corporeal beings. By no means all of them are human or ever were. Energy is consciousness. There are other dimensions than the ones we know about. This is all posited in quantum physics in things like the sliced bread theory, which envisions multiple universes touching like the slices of bread in a loaf. Stephen Hawkings theorized before his death that there are up to 27 such parallel universes. He also warned that perhaps it was not such a good idea to broadcast out chirpy messages into our own universe saying "Hello! We live on Earth! We are humans!! We welcome contact!!!", which I do remember from the heady Space Age  1960s and '70s is what was done. I recall that the messages also included a Table of the Periodic Elements and stick figures of men and women.

    Anyway, without going into detail, I have recently had a couple of (deliberately limited by me) shamanic encounters with a massed group of shadowy entities which speak in a loud, robotic-sounding group voice, are not human, and possess some reptilian characteristics. I also know from my shamanic training that they can take over a human body and consciousness to at least a limited extent. Dr Peter McCullough mentioned in his recent speech in Michigan that he had been contacted by the Vatican with regard to the side-effects of the vaccines. I very much hope that the Vatican is aware of what is going on, because the Catholic Church has deep experience of this spiritual enemy. Apart from the classic exorcism rite, about which I know nothing, a couple of less powerful but still useful tips to get rid of any unwanted 'house pests' are either extraction by an *experienced* shamanic practitioner or a Reiki 1 attunement by a *strong* reiki practitioner (I can link to an article in a reiki magazine on the latter if anyone is interested). The best way to keep them out in the first place is to be in a state of joy.

    To perceive and then to try to comprehend this situation is at first very frightening. But there are good non-corporeal forces 'out there' too, who wish us well and are trying to help us. And I think it is crucial to assert that no, I am not just a 'container' (as someone recently posted on PP is how these shadowy beings think of us). And we are not just 'players' in someone's great computer game (as another theory believes we are). We are independent sparks of consciousness with free will and the ability to choose which side of this great spiritual war we will stand on.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 10:34am

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    Kathy said:

    A friend had a great idea for a protest: set up checking accounts at two banks and transfer $600 back and forth often (maybe daily or weekly).  If enough people did this, the weight of compliance would force change.

    Hate to be a downer, but IMO all that will lead to is more government spending for more Amazon storage space.   The data dump for all of this will largely be automated until they want to ruin someone.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 10:40am

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    Look everywhere else but at ourselves.

    It really does not have to get all wuwu.

    What we know;

    Humans are destroying ourselves, the planet, and all of life on it in about a hundred different ways.

    Humans have never and will never do anything to make any of it better.

    This two hard cold truths are well known by any who have the guts to understand. I am absolutely certain that the upper echelons of TPTB understand this implicitly and discuss ways to stop this from ending everything. They most likely feel an obligation and believe that they are the only ones that can do something.

    There have been many intellectuals over the last 100 years or more that have written extensively  on the subject of human behavior and how humans as a group are incapable of rational behavior must be shepherded by a small handful of knowing superior humans. It is also understood that this must be done without the knowledge of the masses in order to work. This is what has been going on for a long time but has not been successful enough.

    I have been close to several very high level Government folks through marriage and I can tell you without a doubt that most if not all high level Gov folks have a very low opinion of the masses and that is putting it mildly. You all must understand this as it slips out in the media now and then.

    There is no question that a radical change needs to happen in the world, I mean RADICAL change. Either we put down our purses, put on our grown up faces, come together and force this shift ourselves (which we won't) or we better understand that "THEY" sure as hell will.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 11:25am

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    No Need For Speculation

    I enjoy reading about the various theories to explain what is going on in the world.  Several have brought up some interesting suggestions trying to explain "Why" this is happening.  I'm totally perplexed at "What" is happening.

    The Emergency Use Authorization was granted by cutting as many corners as possible. Effective treatments for the disease were ignored and eventually censored so this shot, labeled as a vaccine, could be deemed as a "safe" and "effective" treatment.

    All information showing that the shot was neither safe, nor effective was also censored.  Countries with the highest compliance rate are now the new benchmark for demonstrating that the shot is not effective.  Even the argument that "while it doesn't prevent someone from getting the disease, the impacts are lessened" is being shown to be false.

    Yet the governments seem to be determined to force this shot into everyone.  Does anyone else find this strange that there is so much pressure to give this to everyone that it must use lies to justify it?

    That alone is enough to make a person with critical thinking skills suspicious.  Then you add the argument that many have bought into that a person who received an "effective" vaccine is at risk of getting sick from someone who has not had the shot is so illogical it is ridiculous.

    You would think that as we are gradually reaching herd immunity and people are starting to live a normal life again with infection rates, and more importantly deaths dropping, the pressure to jab everyone would subside.  Just the opposite is happening.  It is almost like those in charge are afraid that the disease will go away (or no longer be a danger) that they will have lost their opportunity to give the shot to everyone.

    I guess the next bit of craziness is that almost every country on the planet is in lockstep.  Where is the rogue country that is blazing the trail in a different direction?

    There are many reasons to break away from the pack.  We have many very intelligent scientists, doctors, virologists, front-line workers who have important information but instead of listening to them, they are shunned & censored so that the voice of ONE virologist can be heard, even though he is on record for lying to us and flip-flopping on just about every issue.  Most people with that track record would be banished rather than placed on a pedestal.

    Now, even with the disease waning, we are living with a mandate forcing the private sector to require employees to get the shot.  The mandate is done via Executive Order, a process that was not intended to make law.  Yet the other 2 branches of government sit by without challenging the EO.  In the process, people are losing their jobs/livelihood because of this unconstitutional action.  Lives are being ruined unnecessarily, for what reason?

    I agree with Sand Puppy, there are too many odd occurrences for this to be accidental.  People of civilized nations would never have tolerated this type of government tyranny in the past.  This is not a country or world that I would want to live in.  As someone approaching 70, I may not have to live through this much longer but I fear the worst is yet to come.  My fear is for my children & grandchildren.

    With all the damage done to our country in 9 months, I think we would need at least 4 full terms of alternate policies to undo the damage and I don't see that happening.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 11:42am

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    us vs. them

    From an Anabaptist perspective. I have some experience with exorcism, and I’ve certainly read a lot about it. I’m going to leave out somewhat important details in the interest of not starting a religious discussion, but I wanted to suggest that the concept of us vs. them is problematic. It is clearly so from a study of narcissism, where "othering" people derives from psychological projection, and also in the spiritual realm. Yes there is a “them” and they are enemies, but confronting them directly can be a trap of power-over-other relations when the primary defense should be power over yourself—self control, heeding your conscience, aligning first with moral authority so that physical/spiritual authority can be given from above. “Us vs. them” distracts from and minimizes “me vs. me,” especially in the euphoria of victory over “them”, and whitewashes important differences in faith between “us.”

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 11:47am

    One Jab To Rule Them All...

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    Reply to Netlej - Look everywhere else but at ourselves.

    Just as a bad workman blames his tools - bad 'tools' in authority blame their public.

    Those 'high-level Gov folks' you mention are human too (well, almost) & just as fallible as the rest of us. If they were really sincere, they'd lead by example & stop spending all our resources making their friends even wealthier etc...

    They'd also hold the corporations, banks & MSM to account - the main drivers of consumer hype & global overshoot....

    The wealthy built this shallow, fake system for the benefit of themselves - not ordinary people.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 12:09pm

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    Replying to us vs. them (#16)

    Thanks for those valuable insights. I totally agree, striving for 'power over' anything else is always the wrong choice. The spiritual struggle is always ultimately an inner one.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 12:56pm

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    The Physical and Metaphysical are Not Mutually Exclusive

    It's a mixture. Most people have a block on the supernatural. It's almost as if it's been "cleansed" out of them. You have to be open to the experience for it to happen to you, similar to the way vampire lore stresses invitation as necessary. The phenomena "tailors itself to our ability to understand" (Jacques Vallee). If you want to see ET, you'll see ET. If you believe in ghosts, well here's your dead Aunt Marie. Oh, you're interested in hairy woodland monsters? Meet Bigfoot. Coincidentally, aliens, ghosts, and cryptids all smell like sulfur.

    Folks get caught up in semantics, which is the death of logic, IMO.

    "Today they call them angels and demons, tomorrow they will call them something else" - Aleister Crowely

    "Demon" named Lam, manifested by occultist Aleister Crowely c. 1918

    "Alien" that abducted author Whitley Streiber c. 1985

    "EMF Entity" photographed via television by the Scole Experiment (Afterlife Investigations) c. 1998

    I think we're property.
    I should say we belong to something:
    That once upon a time, this earth was a No-man's Land, that other worlds explored and colonized here, and fought amongst themselves for possession, but that now it's owned by something:
    That something owns this earth-All other's warned off. - Charles Fort, The Book of the Damned c. 1919

    He goes on to say:

    -that all this has been known, perhaps for ages, to certain ones upon this earth, a cult or order, members of which function like bellwethers to the rest of us, or as superior slaves or overseers, directing us in accordance with instructions received-from Somewhere else-in our mysterious usefulness. - Charles Fort, The Book of the Damned c. 1919

    Breeding and genetic manipulation weigh heavily into the alien narrative, as well as denying religious beliefs (primarily anti-Christian).

    Bob Lazar said the aliens referred to humans as "containers".

    It's also strange that invoking the name of Jesus Christ is the only thing that can arrest the abduction experience. (Joe Jordan, et al.)

    I could go into this topic in much greater details, though it's probably best if folks stretch their imaginations in small doses.

    PM if you have further questions.

    PS. I really appreciate the Wendell Berry, RR and SP!

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 1:01pm

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    If you think it’s bad where you are, look at Lithuania

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1440910274962333696.html

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 1:39pm

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    Everyone should read this link in post #20 ... Thanks thc

    It's happening..  Tiny Lithuania is the model for what's to come if we don't resist now.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 1:39pm

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    A quick note before heading off to today's protest

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 2:05pm

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    Susan7 said:

    I wonder how long they will be able to continue to suppress knowledge of all the death and injury from the “vaccines”. The old, they don’t care about, but the children and the young teen boys? And with plans for successive mandated boosters? They are already facing a demographic winter like the rest of the EU countries. What will they do when they finally realize what they have brought on themselves?

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 2:07pm

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    Who's running this show?

    It's either the Chinese Communist Party or Bugs.

    My money is on Bugs. Why? Ingo Swann had no contact with Dr. David Jacobs. Their work was done at different times.

    Here is a piece from Ingo.

    She was notable not so much for her excessive female physical endowments, but by the fact that they were barely covered.

    She was dressed in the briefest of halters of pink with big yellow polka dots. Beneath that were short-shorts so short they barely existed. Far beneath that she wore a pair of platform high-heels about eight inches high.

    She had volumes of gorgeous black hair, and her eyes were covered by purple sunglasses. She was absolutely awesome.

    I thought: "Good Heavens!!!" She was rummaging through the artichokes, and I wanted some, too. So I worked my way covertly and nonchalantly into her proximity so I could closer appreciate her near-naked breasts.

    Swann, Ingo. Penetration - the Question of Extraterrestrial and Human Telepathy . Crossroad Press. Kindle Edition.

    And

    To make this look natural, with my eyes barely on them, I fumbled some selected artichokes into a bag.

    And then! For absolutely no reason at all I experienced an electrifying wave of goosebumps throughout my whole body.

    The hair on my arms practically stood at attention, and the hair on my neck definitely did. Without rhyme or reason or forethinking or anything at all I suddenly "knew" she was an alien, an extraterrestrial.

    Swann, Ingo. Penetration - the Question of Extraterrestrial and Human Telepathy . Crossroad Press. Kindle Edition.

    (Needs more context)

    Typical Dr. David Jacobs Hubrid. They can do real damage with their consciousness. All human on the outside, all Bug in the skull.

    The CCP has got more on it's hands than it knows.

    And Yes, We have known about this situation since we first went around the back of the moon. We sent Clementine, a spy satellite that can read a bubble gum wrapper from 200 kms. Good luck getting high resolution photos from NASA.

    We live in a much richer cosmos than the CCP imagine. They are bit players.

    And Yes. Putin is in on the joke.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 3:02pm

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    We are in some real trouble folks.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 3:07pm

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    Wolf in Sheep's Clothing

    We agree on that, at least.

    Swann's encounter sounds like seduction via succubus.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 3:31pm

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    Outside influence?

    'There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and mans stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former"  - Albert Einstein

    This is a great discussion you have precipitated SP. I'm inclined to keep things simple - Occams Razor - and conclude that mankind is quite capable of creating this mess on our own.  That's not to reduce everything to the physical plane. As Steven Kelso says above it is always a mixture. We humans are multi faceted multi dimensional beings.

    I too appreciated the Wendell Berry. We are lucky enough to live in such a peaceful place. Its spring here and the geese have a new gosling (just 1 as I confiscated most of the eggs). Sadly these natural havens are becoming few and far apart.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 3:42pm

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    Connecting with the masses

    I have been cogitating about the music video I posted above. The reason I was so taken with it (other than it is a great song) is that it connects directly to the general population. It's like a Peter McCullough video for the masses. Most people, we know, are simply unable to take on factual information that conflicts with their worldview. But they certainly can absorb messages through a fun positive piece of pop culture.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 4:28pm

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    reply to one jab

    Each and everyone of is playing the same game and you can't blame the "winners" for winning.

    Human society has its "leaders" and yes they do help mostly themselves and those who help them but given the chance most humans would do anything to be wealthy and therefor be a part of "them".

    Doing the right thing, those things that need to done so as not to grow exponentially and consume everything is not something that any "leader" can ever initiate. He would be drummed out of office in a minute if not killed outright. This is the stated reason every leader of every country around the world has stated why they will not cut back on energy production. The are all on record...go ahead and check.

    No if they are going to do what must be done they must do it through subterfuge.

     

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 4:40pm

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    Reply to jan

    "We ain't F#@King moving"

    Exactly why they have to go to such extremes to make sure we don't kill everything on the planet. Oh and by the way we are already more than halfway there.

    What if instead of mindless resistance we said to TPTB;

    "Ok, we get it, the whole thing is going down and you all are trying to be proactive. Lets all sit down together and figure out how to do this in such a way so that everyone is cared for, nothing extravagant, just taken care of. But this means no more millionaires or billionaires. And if you don't we are all going to stop what we are doing and make this happen anyway and it won't go well for you".

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 5:24pm

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    UCLA anesthesiologist escorted from work for being unvaccinated

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/94922

    Anesthesiologist Christopher Rake, MD, was escorted out of a University of California Los Angeles (UCLA) Health medical plaza on Monday after attempting to go to work without being vaccinated against COVID-19.

    A video of the incident, recorded by Rake himself, shows him confronting the individuals leading him out of the building.

    "This is what happens when you stand up for freedom," the anesthesiologist says into the camera. "What they don't realize is that I'm willing to go lose everything -- job, paycheck, freedom, even my life for this cause."

    Rake has been openly opposed to the UC system's vaccine mandate, which requires all students, faculty, and staff to complete their vaccination series at least 2 weeks before returning to any on-campus facilities. At an anti-vaccination rally on August 29, Rake was filmed delivering a speech lamenting the system-wide and state-wide stipulations and promoting a donation-based campaign he founded called Citizens United for Freedom.

    "Last year I put my life on the line ... I dealt with COVID patients," he said to the crowd. "Now this year, I'm a zero ... They're telling me, 'You take the jab or we take your job.' And I'm here to say no, that's not okay."

    UCLA Health responded to the video on their Twitter account, writing that "these comments do not represent the views of UCLA Health. Unvaccinated people are more likely to contract COVID-19 & we encourage employees to be vaccinated. We adhere to the state public health order requiring health care workers to be vaccinated or undergo regular testing."

    Rake, who has not yet responded to request for comment, has reportedly been placed on unpaid administrative leave for his refusal to get the vaccine or a vaccine exemption.

    The news of Rake's removal from the medical plaza came just a day before Oakland-based healthcare provider Kaiser Permanente announced their suspension of 2,200 unvaccinated employees, who were also placed on unpaid administrative leave. On the other side of the country, Northwell Health, the largest healthcare provider in New York State, made its own announcement: 1,400 of its employees were fired for not getting vaccinated before the stated deadline.

    Whether further disciplinary actions will be taken against Rake is still unknown.…

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 6:36pm

    Canuck21

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    Playing God is not okay

    Hi Netlej, you clearly seem to think it's okay for your friends/acquaintances to walk around as self-appointed gods. Where is the moral / ethical dimension in all this? There has to be one, and 'saving the planet' isn't good enough. Yes, humans vastly overpopulate the planet and are extinguishing other life forms. But to deliberately choose to extinguish random humans en masse like some kind of vermin is not a compassionate choice. Power corrupts.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 6:37pm

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    Uncle Max

    Desiderata
    GO PLACIDLY amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

    Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.

    Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

    Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

    Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

    Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is as perennial as the grass.

    Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.

    Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

    Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.

    And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.

    By Max Ehrmann © 1927
    Original text

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 8:36pm

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    UCLA anesthesiologist escorted from work for being unvaccinated; response.

    It's a one-way mirror. The people (?) making these rules, have they also taken the clot-shot? My money is on No.

    The last thing they intend to do is lead by example. I am reminded of that greatest coward of all, Stalin, who was quite contented to condemn vast swathes of humanity to certain death.

    No Iron Cross for Stalin.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 8:54pm

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    A Meditation on Absurdities.

    How do we define what is "absurd"?  I am surprised that a giant like Voltaire would make an appeal to incredulity.

    How we know what we know is not easily answered, as any scientist will attest.

    There is a branch of philosophy dedicated to the issue called epistemology.

    My approach is to note what people say, but not take it as Truth. But the statement gains credibility if it is triangulated by independent corroboration. This is the method that our court system uses. (Yes it is fallible).

    Persig made a strong case for the Rhetoricians in his book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance." "Just" rhetoric is an old bone that Aristotle chewed vigorously. Persig would answer that we can remove the word "Just" and it would not change the meaning of the word Rhetoric.

    Perhaps Voltaire should have added context.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 9:12pm

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    What is absurd

    Being afraid of a virus with a less than 1% case fatality rate when you are under 50 with no preexisting conditions, exercise and take vitamins is absurd. “Othering” people who have decided to make a different medical decision is absurd. Punishing people for different moral, medical and religious beliefs is absurd.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 9:34pm

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    M class Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) headed our Way. ETA, Monday.

    Ben Davidson shows us that a sunspot the size of the Earth just blew us a kiss.





    EDIT: Clarification. What does M class flare mean?

    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has devised categories for the flares and various storms. The biggest flares are known as "X-class flares" based on a classification system that divides solar flares according to their strength. The smallest ones are A-class (near background levels), followed by B, C, M, and X. Similar to the Richter scale for earthquakes, each letter represents a 10-fold increase in energy output. So an X is ten times an M and 100 times a C. Within each letter class there is a finer scale from 1 to 9.

    C-class and smaller flares are too weak to noticeably affect Earth. M-class flares can cause brief radio blackouts at the poles and minor radiation storms that might endanger astronauts.

    Source.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 10:09pm

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    Lithuania

    That is exactly what I've been fearfully envisioning. It's horrible.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1440910274962333696.html

     

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 10:51pm

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    Rhapsodilly said:

    I emphatically recommend a careful read/watch of the material in Tessa Fights Robots

    https://tessa.substack.com/p/robber-barrons

    It includes a magnificent discussion between Whitney Webb and James Corbett. Transnational business organizations are and have for some time been the folks behind the curtain. This provides a context explaining how the nation states are convenient but surprisingly unimportant political entities.

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  • Sat, Oct 09, 2021 - 11:51pm

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    Charles Eisenstein--The Rehearsal is Over

    This is one of the finest essays that I have ever read.  I calls forth my soul in the situation where we are right now.

    Charles Eisenstein is named by Ken Wilbur as an example of the very rare Spiral Dynamics Turquoise Meme thinker.

    From Charles Eisenstein's substack (copied in full.  Emphasis mine.)

    A friend wrote me about her dilemma. She owns a company employing hundreds of people and is a staunch critic of that-which-shall-not-be-named. She said she has been trying to fly under the radar until sanity is restored, but with looming mandates for large employers, the radar will soon turn on her. What will she do?

    I will share with you the inner monologue that her note provoked in me.

    * * *

    A return to sanity? Sanity will not be restored for us by others. We are the ones that must restore it. We cannot wait for others to be brave on our behalf. We are here in this initiatory moment to choose who we are. The choice of whether to capitulate or to act is a declaration: Who am I to be? What is the world to be? Am I serious enough about my vision for the world to risk my security for it? That is not a challenge meant to goad myself into action. It is simply true. Through my choice, I will know myself as I am. I will become as I choose. The rehearsal is over.

    * * *

    Many people trust the authorities and willingly comply with their rules. They face no dilemma, no initiatory moment, no self-defining world-creating choice point, not yet.

    But as the authorities’ narratives devolve into absurdity and their rules devolve into oppression, more and more of us face this choice:

    To live your truth out loud, or
    To live by a lie, consoling yourself with secret protest.
    To do what you know is right, or
    To cave in to the pressure, consoling yourself with words you don’t believe. “I had no choice.”

    Yes, for many of us it has come to such a choice. The rehearsal is over.

    * * *

    Maybe, I think, maybe now is not the time to be brave. Maybe now is not the time to speak out. I’ll wait until it is a little safer.

    But it will never be safe to be brave. Never.

    If not now, when? If not I, who?

    Shall I wait for others to do what I dare not do? We are ready. we’ve been preparing and being prepared for a long time. The rehearsal is over.

    * * *

    The message is not “Act now.” Do not accept pressure, coercion, bribes or threats. Don’t let me or anyone else tell you what to do or when to do it. We are fighting for the end of the time of dictating each other’s choices, thinking I know better than you what you should be doing.

    I trust you to know the right choice. Being trusted is an invitation to be trustworthy. Trusting you to be brave, you become brave, just as I become brave when people see me as brave. Bravery is not a personal achievement; it is a community function. It is a contagion. It is a mutual awakening.

    Bravery means acting when you know it is time to act. It isn’t the convenient time. It is simply the time. It is the moment of, “Enough!” It is the moment of, “It is time to do something about it.” It is the moment of truth over consequences.

    In that moment you act not because it is brave, but because it is necessary. You recognize that the moment has come. Why now? Because it is time. No other reason is needed.

    Bravery means doing what is yours to do, when it is time to do it. Denying that knowing locks your heart in a box. Life becomes a chore. Despair descends like a fog, turning everything gray. Hope withers, leaving behind the dry empty husk called wishful thinking. And you face the dread of living the rest of life knowing, “I did not do what I was here to do, when the moment came and it counted.”

    The rehearsal is over.

    * * *

    If I am not brave, what reason have I to hope others will be? Courage and cowardice both are contagious. My choice establishes a principle of human nature. It declares not only who I am, but what a human being is. and what the world shall be. Each choice is therefore a prayer. Our choices scaffold divine creation.

    That is why synchronicity so often congeals around bravery. Synchronicity is the snapping of the laws of probability as reality shifts to align with brave choices.

    Seeing that creative power, one knows the despair was based on false premises. The ego’s cautious logic is reversed. The ego says, “Give me a guarantee that it will work and I’ll be OK, then I’ll do it.” The ego says, “Promise me that enough other people will resist, and then I’ll resist too. Prove to me it won’t be in vain. Guarantee that others will join in.” God says, “Show me that you want a more beautiful world enough to actually risk something with no guarantee. Then you will see results beyond all reckoning.”

    Is your time for choosing here? You will recognize when it is. No one can escape that feeling of recognition when the moment comes. If you have read this far, that time is close. You know exactly what I’m talking about.

    The rehearsal is over.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 1:08am

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    The End of the World as We Know It

    Thank you for the in depth report of our future.  When the world towers went down in New York, I knew then that our grandchildren would never know freedom. It was that moment that started government control of our freedom for the sake of safety. Bit by bit it has been taken away.  It is like watching "Twilight Zone".

    Someone always has to be the boogieman. I just never expected it to be me.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 1:10am

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    nordicjack

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    RE Lithuania

    Man, that is really messed up.   We know how bad AU has gotten and UK , CAN not too much better, and USA catching up fast.    But considering where all the scandinavian countries have gone(ending pandemic emergency and requirements),  I am really shocked with Lithuania.   Romanian and Poland are looking much better too.  So, it seems odd that Lith, is going along with those english speaking countries..  I dont get it.  At all..

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 3:53am

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    Metamorphosis.

     I dont get it.  At all..

    It is because Saxons are so naïve and trusting. Until they aren't. Then they bury their old skins and metamorphose into the scariest monsters on the planet.

    This is not bravado. This is a warning.

     

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 3:56am

    Canuck21

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    Sweden a haven of sanity (so far)

    As Sweden neighbours Lithuania I asked a friend in Sweden if anything similar is going on there. This is what she replied. (If you want to understand the Swedish run it thru GT or better deepl.com)

    No, this totally goes against the Swedish mindset. The only thing you need a vaccine passport for is travel to other countries. There is a proposal that they may at some time be a requirement for proof of vaccination for large events of over 15,000 people:
    Here's what applies now:
    It's also interesting that 4 of the Nordic countries have now stopped Moderna for young people (in Sweden under 30). Sweden Norway Finland and Denmark. Sorry no link but it was posted earlier here on PP by someone. So these countries are to some extent an outlier to the Great Plan.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 4:21am

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    d4 said:

    since most likely ill be losing my job in november i might do a roadtrip to europe and visit the free-er countries
    with an eu passport most places accept a test and/or natural immunity

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 4:32am

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    Br3dS01 said:

    Join us everyone...

    “Source Creator, apply the following prayers each and every day, to myself, my loved ones, and every being everywhere across all time domains, in increments proportional to my spiritual reach, so no one is underserved and all are covered, eventually. Pool and apply the intentions of all who use these prayers, to augment the power of each incremental prayer launched.”

    Raise Belief Quotient in the Divine and Oneself
    “Source Creator, raise us up each and every day to feel divine love, to open to divine love, and to express divine love through us in all we do.”

    Saving Oneself and Humanity
    “Source Creator, be our partner in life each and every day, to keep us focused on love, receiving and giving, both to ourselves and to all those around us. Bring healing for the darkness in all its forms, to raise up the perpetrators so they stand down and free the tormented, and apply this prayer again and again for the betterment of humanity and all subjugated victims."

    Protection
    “Source Creator, partner with us in our lives each and every day to keep us safe. Protect all in harm’s way by reducing or eliminating all dangerous weather, and all natural and unnatural disasters. Guide, heal, support, and protect against all who oppose bringing forward the truth of the divine. Accept my gifting of these intentions to serve all beings everywhere in the way highest and best to save and heal them through the divine realm.”

    Air, Food, Drink, Medication, and Supplement Blessing
    “Source Creator, bless our air, food, drink, medications, and supplements each and every day, to remove all negativity and leave only what is highest and best. Add what is missing to create an ideal nutritional balance, heal any exaggerated consequences of nutrition, and restore a healthy equilibrium in the working of the body, for the well-being of all who partake.”

    Healing
    “Source Creator, help us each and every day, to keep our bodies safe and strong in all ways by making healthy choices, and seek those things that reward and support a long and happy life. Correct all inner discord and signs of illness within, according to our highest good.”

    Well-Being
    “Source Creator, guide and support us each and every day in our life journey, leading us to health,wealth, happiness, and love through all we do, by making healthy choices and seeking those things that are rewarding and support a long and happy life.”

    Manifesting Abundance
    “Source Creator, help us each and every day to find the best expression of our soul, to be rewarded in our lives with a flow of abundance to keep us safe, protected, supported, and have all of the benefits of financial security, to help us continue expressing the highest version of  ourselves without fear and without worry.”

    Harmful Organisms and Substances
    “Source Creator, each and every day, remove or render harmless all dangerous energies and hazards, including harmful viruses and other organisms, all heavy metals and other harmful substances at toxic levels, from myself, my loved ones, and apply this prayer again and again as needed to help all affected beings and the Earth as a whole, to keep everyone safe, and restore well-being to the afflicted."

    getwisdom.com/prayer/

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 6:15am

    One Jab To Rule Them All...

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    reply to 'Sweden a haven of sanity (so far)'

    Apart from the fact that they euthanised their elderly in care (as did the UK etc)... Jon Tallinger blew the whistle early on:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaWATIJy_K4

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 6:18am

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    Rakshashas and Asuras

    Maneaters and demons are running the show.  They are both alien to the Human race.  Almost 40 years ago, I started reading books translated by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada.  Srila Prabhupada included purports to the verse translations, which are his words and instructions.  He wrote way way back, we did not go to the moon.  Innumerable times in letters, his books, his conversations he tells us fiat currency is cheating, how can you be such fools and asses to take paper money for your hard work?

    I did not understand how Prabhupada could say we did not go to the moon until around 2002.  I did not understand the difference between fiat and hard currency until 2011.

    He also told us demons were running the planet and they eat their young.  I could not understand until last year.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 6:21am

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    Hladini said:

    They'll just make new regs that criminalize such transfers.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 6:27am

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    To Sansd_Puppy and RR: A Spiritual War

    It is a spiritual war, it's always been a spiritual war.  Your comments reminded me of a sadhu and astrologer I was listening to recently.  After discussing the malific planetary line up, he started talking about sadhana or daily devotions and suggested that if you are engaging in daily devotions, you should double it.

    The world needs God consciousness.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 6:56am

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    Fantastic recitation of a sordid history

    Finally, a  grown up in the room.  Reminds me of a bumper sticker I read during the Trump/Hillary campaign:  Will Vote for any Adult.

    Joking aside, it's a bloody tragedy and karma is a bitch.  Too many of us were not willing to discuss these wars.  We didn't have time.  We weren't interested.  What could we do? For some of us it was easier to accept the rationalization and supported the wars.

    And then, there's the compounded problem that our 911 official story defies the laws of pysics. And not a single law enforcement agency tested for explosives.........

    We will now reap what we have sown.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 7:27am

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    To Canuck21 and other Spiritual Warriors

    The Hare Krsna's have lot's of spiritual resources.  Personally, I recite and/or sing three prayers to Lord Nara Hari - the half man, half lion form of the Lord, born from a pillar to protect His devotee.  He is our protective Deity.

    But the Great Prayer of Deliverance is the Maha Mantra:  Hare Krsna Hare Krsna, Krnsa Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.

    This prayer won't necessarily stop what's coming, but it will liberate the soul from the cyle of birth and death, and the insult of material nature.

    It's the nature of the material world to be a place of suffering.  It's designed that way.  To remind us, we don't belong here.  If you have any doubts, check out the Universe 25 experiment.

    Universe 25 Experiment: One of the most terrifying experiments in the history of science.

     

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 7:40am

    Hladini

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    Grassar, it's a bipartisan mess

    There is no administration that is going to save us.  We are on our own, together.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 8:01am

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    another approach

    Focus on what you want to create.

    That's what I'm doing.

    Sometimes (often!) I get caught up in the details of the weekly drama because I love history and we're living through an incredibly historical period that they'll write about for a century.  But my real power comes from creation.

    So: "focus on what I want to create."

    What do you want to create?

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 8:02am

    Hladini

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    Read Spars

    The SPARS document talks about what they will do when the deaths and disabilities can no longer be hidden in the chapter titled "Recovery."

    But first, they determine that adverse vaccine events were double or triple counted, and after determing that health issues arising one year after vaccination simply cannot be attributed to the vaccine, they then turn to the problem of how to deal with the public all up in arms about so-called vaccine injuries.

    "It was further recommended that Secretary Nagel consult with President Archer about the possibility of acknowledging the emotional toll of SPARS during a future public appearance. The primary message would be one of gratitude to the American people for remaining strong during the pandemic. Another key message would convey appreciation for adhering to public health recommendations, including vaccination, to hasten the end of the pandemic in the face of considerable uncertainty."

    At the end of the previous chapter, there's an eerie story about a mom who's son was vaccine injured, and then went on to take this dandy other drug and all the problems went away, and how that story on social media went viral and resulted in increased uptake of the dandy new drug, and increased vaccination rates too!

    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/spars-pandemic-scenario-copy.pdf

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 8:46am

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    Hladini said:

    I'm wary of those Lithuanians too.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 8:51am

    Hladini

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    Hladini said:

    Thanks for the reminder.  It's the key.   One can live happily in the material world with the proper consciousness.  On the other hand Sand_Puppy's post "The Rehearsal is Over" (extraordinary, gave me goose bumps and brought tears to my eyes) is a reminder that we all have our duty to perform, large or small - which may not jive with our visualizations.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 8:55am

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    The vinegar tasters

    There is an ancient Chinese painting known as the vinegar tasters. In the painting three scholars are standing around a cauldron of vinegar tasting it. The three scholars are Buddha, Lao Tzu, and Confucius.

    These three represent the three main philosophies of China; Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism, respectively. The three men dip their fingers in the vat and taste, and their reactions are said to reveal their perspectives on life.

    Confucius reacts with a sour expression, he sees life as sour and in need of rules and structure. Buddha reacts with a bitter expression, he saw life as bitter due to pain and suffering caused by attachment and desire. Lao Tzu [ Taoism ] reacted with a sweet expression, he saw life as perfect in its natural state.

    The philosophy of Taoism stresses the importance of nature and returning to your natural state. The word "Po" in Chinese is interpreted as "self-so" or "uncarved block". We all start out as "Po" which is uncomplicated beings capable of purely spontaneous action. It is only later that we "learn" to worry, calculate, and consider. These things are useful but they come at a tremendous price...we live in a world of thought [ illusion] over some other time and we lose the ability to live in the present.

    Let me give you an example; You are reading PP and worrying over the future. In your mind you suffer from worry. What if this happens? What if that happens? You follow the twisting machinations of your mind and exist in a state of anxiety.

    Yet, in reality, you are sitting in your living room, on a soft chair, with plenty of idle time. You want for nothing, your stomach is full, you have no pain, and exist in a state of extreme comfort...but you can't enjoy it. Thats the irony.

    Thinking is, essentially, the creation of a model of reality. Although the model is deeply flawed it still gives us a chart by which we can strategically plan our movement through reality. This gives us tremendous advantages, but the problem is we mistake the model for the real thing.

    The wild animal lives in true reality all the time. It does not have the facility to create mental models, so while it lives it lives. It goes about in the present moment, never worrying about tomorrow. It doesnt lament the inevitability of its own death or suffer its own eventual mortality. While it lives, it lives, and when its time to die, it dies and so there is no suffering.

    The Taoist attempts to peel away the societal conditioning and get back to his essential, spontaneous nature. It is said the smart man adds to himself everyday, whereas the wise man reduces himself everyday. There is this theme of dropping off, or peeling away to the simple, natural, unassuming "self" beneath.

    When one becomes the true natural self, he/she finds that self to be only an extension of the great "self" of the universe or "Tao". And as we surrender to the Tao, we become the Tao and move, like a stream of water, effortlessly through life. That is why, to the natural person, to the successful Taoist, the vinegar of life tastes sweet.

    If interested in Taoist philosophy I recommend;

    The Tao Te Ching [ available free online in multiple translations ]

    The Tao of Poo

    And, for a casual listen;





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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 9:13am

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    can't resist

    brushhog-

    The Tao of Poo

    I think you mean the Tao of Pooh.

    Big fan though.  🙂

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 9:30am

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    Grasser, I agree with you completely.  The vaccine isn't a treatment, it is a sacrament in the Cult of Compliance.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 10:30am

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    Toowoomba’s Wellcamp revealed (Australia)

    https://xyz.net.au/2021/10/stunning-pictures-toowoombas-wellcamp-revealed/

    This is normal.

    The first glimpse of what the 1,000-bed quarantine facility at Wellcamp Airport outside Toowoomba will look like has been revealed.

    Isn’t she beautiful?

    What do you mean computer generated?

    Two months after building works began, the Queensland government says the facility is on track to have 500 beds operational by the end of December.

    Just go with it.

    Deputy Premier Steven Miles visited the site on Friday morning to witness the first concrete pour.

    This is real. They’re actually doing this.

    “The cabins will be craned in, in the next couple of weeks and things will continue to move very quickly here on the site,” he said.

    Mr Miles said the facility was expected to be completed by the end of March next year.

    I’ve got nothing. Nothing at all. This is a completely serious article.

    At this stage, the cabins will be used by domestic travellers returning from COVID hotspots.

    What a beautiful example of Western engineering….

    ”Happy Hunger Games! And may the odds be ever in your favor.”

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 10:52am

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    brushhog said:

    LOL Yes you're right Dave. Tao of pooh it is

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 12:00pm

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    Reply to canuck

    I absolutely despise the so called, self proclaimed "elite" and everything they do.

    I know exactly how we can possibly save the world without killing off random people.

    It involves the one thing that the "developed world" population who represent only a couple billion but do 90% of the damage, refuses to even contemplate and that is to DO LESS!

    But we will not do that so we must accept TPTB's solution, bad as it is. Stop whining about it or start talking about and doing LESS...way less...like 75% less. Oh and force the "elite" to do 90% less or else.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 12:40pm

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    Thank you for that Sand puppy

    This part struck me in particular:

    But as the authorities’ narratives devolve into absurdity and their rules devolve into oppression, more and more of us face this choice:

    To live your truth out loud, or
    To live by a lie, consoling yourself with secret protest.
    To do what you know is right, or
    To cave in to the pressure, consoling yourself with words you don’t believe. “I had no choice.”

    Yes, for many of us it has come to such a choice. The rehearsal is over.

    * * *

    Maybe, I think, maybe now is not the time to be brave. Maybe now is not the time to speak out. I’ll wait until it is a little safer.

    But it will never be safe to be brave. Never.

    If not now, when? If not I, who?

    I had that same thought yesterday.  There is no point in complying because the next act will involve coercion to do something even more absurd, insane and dangerous.  I will simply be faced with the choice again, but after accepting a substance into my body that has probably caused at least some and perhaps a great degree of harm.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 12:59pm

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    V for Vengeance

    "V for Vengeance" the movie also has many elements that relate directly to the world today. I watched it just the other day.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 1:02pm

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    You want to do less and have less? you go first!

    Move to the woods, give up all modern technology. Maybe start with wifi and cell data? Then report back to us after a year on how it has gone. TPTB are psychotic. I will not accept their solution. I will not comply. I have solar. I live in a state where almost 60% of the power is from renewables. You know what is unsustainable? Cities. I think it is hilarious when self proclaimed environmentalists sit up on their high horses saying the rest of us need to change when their life styles are generally completely unsustainable. How about this, you want sustainability understand what that really means. Who is going to be the one to pull the plug on their medically fragile relatives? Who is going to be the one to deny diabetics insulin? You want to “save the earth” go first. Give up technology otherwise you are just another mouthpiece. My belief is that with technology we can design and build our way out of this. I like Musk saying that we should be trying to get to Mars and colonizing the moon. We have to expand to survive.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 1:38pm

    Gregory

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    two things of note in the Lithuania resolution

    Lithuania State of Emergency resolution

     

    two things in the resolution.

    consolidated version effective from 13-09-2021 to 2021-10-15

    there's that date again; Oct 15 !!! (and why are the date formats reversed... dd/mm/yyyy to yyyy/mm/dd )

    26 February 2020

    what??? this law was written and published when governments were supposedly still adjudicating what covid actually was.

    there are so many laws and patents and public talks and private talks that happened *before* covid. they've been planning all of this for a very long time.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 1:46pm

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    And the ever true sequel

    The Te Of Piglet

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 1:58pm

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    reply to mystery

    Your response is absolutely typical, proves my point exactly, and exactly why we are all doomed to whatever TPTB has instore for us. So again stop whining or step up and do something.

    I have gone first. I have not flown in over 20 years, I don't own a car. I do drive the farm truck once a week for supplies, drive around 1000 miles a year max. Grow, process alot of the food for myself and 4 others, have a bunch of solar, passive solar, solar thermal, and wind. I don't buy much of anything if I can help it. I can fix most anything and I do so for many others too. All of this has reduced my global destruction footprint down to 10 to 15% of average and reduced it a bunch for 4 others too.

    All that and I still have a life, family, friends, we have fantastic gatherings with off the hook good food and entertainment (many of us are musically inclined). Play is a huge element of our lives and we seem to have plenty of time for it.

    Living with LESS does not mean wearing a loin cloth and living in a cold damp cave.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 2:01pm

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    Wheat up 41%? How is a food manufacturer to survive? And TEOTWAWKI...Bucky Fuller...Etc.

    I have the unenviable responsibility of getting a commercial bakery, the many people who have invested their lives into that endeavor, and all the other complications I’ve built up through the years, while awaiting a crash, through this confluence of insanity.  I weathered very easily (e.g., 2001 market crash; 2008 finance crash) all previous major disruptions - mostly because I was way ahead of the curve on debt collapse, housing, farmland, etc.  However, I have to confess, 2020 caught me flat-footed.

    Still, I had the VERY happy "coincidence" (if you believe in such things) that my only remaining mortgage paid off in full (and the huge monthly mortgage payment ended summarily on March 15, 2020).   THAT happy "coincidence" happened only because when I took out the mortgage in 2007 to build out the factory I "just so happened" to make a series of large prepayments as allowed under the prepayment clause.  I don't recall how much I paid down early, nor in what months, but the net result -- again -- "just so happened" to hit a bullseye 12 years later when my primary 25 year mortgage self-extinguished  automagically some 13 years early...just as the Covid lockdown swept the country and sales crashed. Ok.  I didn't intend to write about that.  Maybe I am hoping for magical deliverance a second time...probably not wise to bet on that!

    I am writing now about the 41% wheat increase on top of all the other increases (e.g. labor, delivery costs).   I'm trying to figure out how to navigate that.   I've always proceeded a little by magic (INFJ), but the complex dark forces we are up against have me seriously frightened for ... well, the first time in a very long time...and I'm trying hard not to let my employees and friends know.   My purchase prices for raw materials have been pretty well locked in a year in advance for most of the last 15 years, but next year all bets are off and nobody is locking in anything for me right now. Do I raise prices in advance - and risk losing customers?  Or do I wait until the double-digit price inflation hits like a tsunami next year?  I'm beginning to raise prices in 3% semiannual steps, but it isn't going to be near enough.   And what happens when our Masters force compliance with "all employees must be vaxxed"?  Do I fire myself and my managers then?  Is there a way to hedge that?  One thing at a time, I guess.:->

    I am torn between gratefulness that this TEOTWAWKI crescendo / greatest TEST of humanity in, perhaps, all human history happened in my lifetime. (I mean, think of it: Universe arranged for YOU to be here … actionable NOW…as one of the very select participants in the perhaps the greatest and most critical “Olympic Games” cum WWZ mashup EVER.  YOU are going to be one of the key players to decide the fate of all humanity for, perhaps, all time.   Shouldn’t you feel honored???)

    Anyway, I am torn between gratefulness I am one of those chosen to go out and face Goliath on the field and feeling like a frightened child, or sacrificial animal, being prepared for the slaughter.

    What do I do now? How can I rise, against all the fear, to meet the challenge? I’ve been faking it as successful and smart all along!

    I’m just glad I’m not in Canada, and I have a little more time to decide and set up. I feel a great need to go on the offensive, since there are too many variables to try and anticipate on the defense. I’m still trying to figure out what position is offensive, when the rules keep changing and I can’t clearly psych out the opposition…and I still have familial and other obligations I don’t want to just torch. I mean, what if I am wrong and this isn’t the end of the world? What if the VAX isn’t such a horrendous thing, for me? (Honestly, I am not sure if it is…at this point it is mostly an issue of self-respect keeping me from kneeling to the Masters, without honor, what am I?)

    Well, back to your regular programming....https://www.you     tube.com/watch?v=h9nMMzErQhE  (Buckminster Fuller interviewed by Werner Erhard)  (listen at least up to B Fuller's decision to not commit suicide, but only pretend he had done so)

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 2:08pm

    Netlej

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    "To live by a lie, consoling yourself with secret protest."

    This is how 99% of Americans have lived for the last 100 years simply because it is more comfortable. It is getting harder to do for sure but thats what is still happening as anyone can see.

    This is exactly what brought us to this point of converging catastrophes.

    I see my job as trying to spark fires and get peoples attention.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 2:59pm

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    Factor Ten Solution

    I see no great flaws of logic in Netlej's logic (#63) regarding the need for a drastic individual and collective reduction in resource use if humanity wants to hang onto its various versions of civilization. Technology may indeed save the day in the long-term, but in the near-term (0-10 years?) I believe we will see the effects of this drastic resource availability.  Here comes the old joke---"We have two possible paths before us: The path of misery and hopelessness, or the path of utter destruction."

    Many of us recall Chris hinting (very early on during the pandemic when that pesky furin cleavage site came to light) that he sympathized with the need to reduce the herd, but objected strongly to the approach. I believe we have a herd culling on our hands and we wouldn't be here if our own biology and psychology hadn't conspired to lead us to overpopulation.

    Twenty years ago I had the pleasure of hearing Oistein Dahle speak of his "Factor Ten Solution." This former Norwegian oil company executive preached the need for the developed world to reduce its resource consumption by 90%. Ironically, he gave this sermon at an Internationally attended conference of the World Watch Institute in Aspen, Colorado. His message has evolved since then, but I still have the copy of his handwritten notes that he was kind enough to give me and I still think about his message and share it when I can.

    https://designasustainabletomorrow.com/about-dast/

    I am sometimes near nauseous at what I see on the horizon. Neither hypothetical path (misery versus utter destruction) appeals to me. But I do not see a collective way to avoid either the hard landing or the utter destruction scenario. I hope I am wrong and technology or a mass movement save the day.

    Regarding the need for personal action to avoid the hypocrisy of all those spouting change, I believe most people, of all backgrounds, do care deeply about what they see going on around them, but are overwhelmed by the magnitude of the change needed and confused by all the contradictory information out there. They simply don't know where to start.

    As a sad example of someone trying to make healthy changes, I quit my low (very low) six-figure job with an alphabet agency about a year ago. I went into business for myself swinging a hammer. I will be lucky to make a quarter of my previous income this year. I have no health insurance (I do not qualify for ACA because of my recent high income status).

    I built a cabin off the road system a few years ago. I walked in or snow-mobiled in all my materials and built the structure using solar power and battery operated tools. No generator. I am upgrading the solar system now and hardening my ability to live off grid based on Mot's principles in his book "Take Back the Power!"

    My partner and I are vegans at home, lacto-ovo vegetarians in the "real" world, living in a very energy efficient, small home. We garden as best we can in this climate and facing some interesting local wildlife.

    We are trying, as many others are trying, but change is not always easy or fast. We have a long ways to go, but we are looking for ways to do better and move closer towards that Factor Ten Solution.

    As an example of my personal efforts to inspire others to make changes, this summer I organized a Sustainability Tour for anyone wanting to get together and see what their neighbors are doing in the way of household resilience. I lined-up hosts to demonstrate greenhouse design, chicken raising, rainwater harvesting, beekeeping, raised bed gardening, potato harvesting and storage, etc. Almost no one came.

     

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 4:23pm

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    Another reply to Mystery

    I read Netlej's reply first, and I liked it.   Then I backed up and read your post that (my words) triggered him.  I liked your initial comment, too, and probably better.

    Why? I liked that Netlej has, apparently, been practicing what he preaches. Kudos to him - can I expect that he doesn't have a life-threatening medical condition and that his skills don't die out with him (taking the friends, he says he supports, with him?  For all time??  And I note he acknowledges he has still come up short maybe 20%.  (And what 20% is that?  Does he MAKE solar cells? CAN he, or his friends, make any of the 20% or so he still is going to need to replace from time to time? Does he make any of the medicines he and his friends will eventually need if they wish to avoid an ugly death and probably take all their wisdom/skill with them?  Sustainable through the end of one life is not good enough.  His energy savings are a measure of integrity -- but not any measure of wisdom nor of long-term thinking in terms of sustainability.  Still, I practice permaculture as best I can, and I respect his effort.

    On the other hand, I think your solution is more sustainable PROVIDED you are taking into account the fact that most of the system, as we know it, needs to go.  That seems to include 9/10s of the people -- although hopefully not forcefully nor early.  We could stop the population vs food problem in ONE generation (20 years) IFF the world could somehow come together and figure out, peacefully and wisely, whether it they want almost all of their children to stave to death, or whether it might be better for most of them to skip having excess children.  And, yes, I do think merit and wisdom, in addition to parenting desire, AND ABILITY TO PRODUCE MORE THAN YOU  CONSUME should have a lot to do with balancing out that tough inequality.

    It takes, we've read and, based upon experience trying to feed myself, I believe, 10 calories of oil to produce 1 calorie of food. And you can't replace much of those ten calories with PV nor wind nor burning wood.  Especially, you still need to dig, and then lift, increasingly many hundreds of feet down, and then refine at super high-energy costs, to find the materials to make a PV panel, a wind power turbine, etc. -- or to power the labs needed for medicines, computer chips, etc.  And, as you said:  "Who is going to be the one to pull the plug on their medically fragile relatives? Who is going to be the one to deny diabetics insulin?"

    I've been insulin dependent since I was a teenager; I didn't do this to myself.   I'm expecting to die somewhere in this rebalancing.  I have one child (below replacement value).  I believe I produce far, far more than I consume.  But I come nowhere near to producing all I consume, and it would take many lifetimes to learn enough how to produce all I need to stay alive (presuming I had both many lifetimes and sufficient skill and resources).

    I honestly think we should be thinking in terms of saving voluntary communities, like a limited number of lifeboats after the sinking of the titanic,  in a few select locations (where culture, energy, water, and other crucial yet limited factors come together.  We absolutely don't need any politicians, however, and we don't need any Wall Street types (zero-sum players) playing Monopoly with us.  And the political elites don't appear likely to go along with what we want -- that we don't want them taking all the lifeboats reserving only a few of us to pull the oars  and, I guess, clean their mansions and otherwise service their needs.

    Anyway, I liked your comment.  But the question I have for you is how you propose to make actionable your vision?  We are out of time to just "talk" about what we think should be done, with TEOTWAWKI staring us down over the sight of a barrel. It's been something like 70 years now since Hubbert came up with his predictive curve -- and nearly all of that time, and all the people who have been born, have only made any lifeboat solution harder to manifest.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 5:25pm

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    Covid in Argentina

    I found this interesting. IVM was used in Argentina to treat Dengue, so it was a logical step to try it on Covid19.

     

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/10/10/argentinian-doctor-shares-his-ivermectin-experience.aspx?ui=d4aece86b4f4734cf288cfc46cac89c9c84c70209867853e2ea74b1ae4145f18&sd=20160409&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20211010&mid=DM1014768&rid=1288635085

    It seems, in my mind, at least, that a case could be made for chasing your dose of IVM with ice cream...just sayin'.  LOL

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-carrageenan-controversy/

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 6:55pm

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    84Orwell said:

     

    "It's far easier to fight for principles than live up to them."

    A great quote that has withstood the test of time,  from former president Adlai E. Stevenson, 1950.

    I love the quote but find it almost impossible to be the person I want others to be.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 7:34pm

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    Different perspective who is at war with what

    The posts of all, especially SP and Canuck21, touch matters and insights very close to my heart.

    I do have a somewhat different perspective I want to share with you.

    It was clear from the very first start that this virus is "an agent of consiousness", the divide that was already visible to the keen observer and spiritual aware, has been made visible to most with eyes, ears, and a clear mind; the veil that was drawn over "reality" has become transparant to all who are courageous enough to "see". In the language used, and the analysis made, the main focus lies on the rational/materialistic explanations and coping strategies. I offer a different view, not the truth, but my view.

    "We all have been here before", take this figurative or not. Whatever your beliefs, the current situation is not new, both from a historic as karmic viewpoint. There is one difference however with earlier episodes of (looming) supression of the "unclean", and possibly mass extermination. In most historic situations, the "silent mass" of course suffered, but were never held accountable. They never commited a crime. But words or the lack of words, actions or the lack of actions, all have consequences. People can't, and shouldn't be held accountable for what they didn't do, not by mortals that is; however, actions can change the course of history.

    From a karmic perspective, not-acting also has karmic consequences. The essence of karma is not punishment, but growth, spititual growth. Unfortunately for us, most of us grow through pain and suffering. A spiritual warrior is never at war with his or hers surroundings, that is just "maya", the "veil" that hides the true reality. The war of a spiritual warrior is with his or hers inner demons: greed, fear, lust, hate, traumas from this a past lives etc. The weapons of a spiritual warrior are compassion, wisdom, self-esteem, integrity, humbleness. The surroundings can be at war with us, but we will not fall in the trap that we all have outgrown: like reed we bent, we will not break. Like water we will flow, and find spots where we can settle, for a while at least. We will find comfort in the deep inner knowledge that we are loved, valuable, and needed. Every good word spoken, good deed done, or good thought though, will echo in eternity; screw fame or success, these are just useful measures in the materialistic realm. A spiritual warriow is aware of a bigger realm; that is the essence of every great warrior tradition.

    Imo, the battle is between the psychopathic leaders, their active followers, the silent majority, and their own spiritual path. This really isn't the first time that their souls wandered off from their own path, but now, there are consequences in this life. This will repeat and repeat and repeat until we all come closer to the light. Unfortunately, others will also suffer as a consequence, there is always collateral damage in every war. PTSS also befalls the "innocent". Still I think that it is important that we have to keep in mind that this is not our war. It is their war. We have other tasks to fulfill. Maybe we can say, it is our "exam". Our "exam" in what you ask? Did we really learn our lessons with respect to Compassion? Love? Do we loose ourselves?

    Karma is not about being punished; suffering of others is not a thing we can or should gloat about, or whish upon others. After all, we have all been there.

     

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 7:47pm

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    Thanks for voicing what many of us are feeling Stph

    Stph wrote: "Anyway, I am torn between gratefulness I am one of those chosen to go out and face Goliath on the field and feeling like a frightened child, or sacrificial animal, being prepared for the slaughter. What do I do now? How can I rise, against all the fear, to meet the challenge? I’ve been faking it as successful and smart all along!"

    Thank you Stph, and your sincere concerns which brought back to my memory a poem that I first heard from my Sunday school teacher as a young man. It is a concept of our connection to the Divine from which I have gained strength throughout my life and it goes:

    "I am the place where God shines through, for He and I are one not two. I need not fear, nor fret, nor plan, He wants me where and as I am. So, if I can just be relaxed and free, He'll carry out His work through me!"

    When we work from a place of goodness, honor, and truth, we unwavering have the support of our divine Principle, and the eternal Life that created us. As a wise woman once said, "Divine Love always has met, and always will meet every human need."

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 8:26pm

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    Stph...for you and others

    Stph-- just read your story and so sorry for what you're facing.  I wanted to share that a friend is a caterer, and made little during the pandemic (we were locked down early and hard in our state--literally since the pandemic was declared and we're still required to wear masks).  Now, she has to change her prices weekly to keep up with the increase in inflation.  It's unbelievable!  She tells people, "have you been to the grocery store lately?".  They are really struggling to hang on, but has to raise her prices to stay afloat and now that they've admitted inflation is here to stay, I would absolutely raise your prices now and keep raising them.  Also, these food shortages are going to just continue.  My husband has a business as well and he's never raised his prices in years, but learned when he did that he needed to keep doing it.  Best to you.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 9:04pm

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    Population and sustainability

    The issue is many countries are having less children even below the replacement rate BUT immigration is becoming a larger and larger share of population growth in many countries.

    https://www.statista.com/chart/20183/us-population-growth-shares-births-immigration/

    note: my husband and I have only one child as well. We did this because economically, it makes sense.
    Should we as a country Forcibly sterilize most of our population? How about the populations of other countries? Should we go to the 3rd world and just start sterilizing people? Most of what we call less developed countries are the ones with the highest birth rates. Should we cut all foreign aid so that infant mortality increases in 3rd world countries?  Who gets to decide who is “worthy” of reproduction? I would much rather our “leaders” be honest with us. Human ingenuity is a wonderful thing. Maybe with enough motivation we can design our way out of this mess. Who gets to be on the off world colonies should be determined by skills and genetic viability. There is a difference between choosing who to save/saving who you can and causing the deaths of billions.

    Having served my country in the military I have seen some of the best and some of the worst of what humanity has to offer. I am by no means a great fan of humanity but I also do not believe that I am in the position to judge who is or is not worthy of life. No one is. There ARE some ideals worth dying for. We cannot lose our humanity in a misguided attempt to save it. If we do, are we even worth saving?

    If SHTF I have some supplies for my family and some friends. I will do what I can for my community but will not sacrifice my family for them. I have done enough for my community over the years with volunteer firefighting, volunteer emt, military service, other volunteer work, that when I pass my conscience will be clear.
    As for me I don’t have a farm yet but I help some friends with their farm. (Its harvest time BTW so you might see me driving the grain wagon for fun). However, I can weld, machine, repair and design. I’m only a passable gardener but I have friends who excel at it.
    so, maybe I did trigger Netlej. Good. Genocide is WRONG. Forced sterilization is WRONG. I have no problem saying it. If TPTB are doing this on purpose to “Thin the herd” they are wrong and psychotic and need to be punished by society.

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 10:31pm

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    less

    One example of "less" for me was moving closer to work and using a motorcycle instead of a car for the commute.  Those bikes really are efficient.  Instead of a two-ton car, it was a 250 pound scooter.  And in all of the "emerging market" nations - everyone rides a scooter.  Grandma, grandpa, or a family of 4, with the 5-year-old standing on the running board peeking above the handlebars.  Vietnam is particularly overrun with scooters.  Its amazing to behold.  (Safety?  Ahem.  But what are you gonna do?)

    It really is all very doable.  It will just take some adjustment.  Adjust now though.  When they start rationing gas, that 70-100 mpg scooter will look a whole lot more practical.  scooter @ 75 mpg x 2 mile commute >> car @ 30 mpg x 60 mile commute.

    Plus the parking is much easier too.

    Maybe if we lost the 60-mile commutes it would be a step in the right direction?

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  • Sun, Oct 10, 2021 - 10:44pm

    Netlej

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    Netlej is not promoting genocide if you care to read.

    Mystery - You are completely misrepresenting my points or not willing to hear.

    80% of the population of the planet live on $10 a day or less, half of them 3+ billion live on $2 a day or less, half of them, nearly 1.5 billion are starving to death, and many in each one of those categories live in the "developed world". These people do not have access to resources, energy, water for gods sakes. You say they have higher birth rates but they also have extremely high infant mortality rates and the average life span is around 35 years old.

    No they are not the problem, we are. First because we consume 10X or more than them, and second because we, the developed world actively supress the developing world so that we can consume 10X more.

    As I have stated several times I know exactly how we can make the redical change that will allow all to be OK and ultimately save the planet but people like you can't hear it.

    It is the hegemonic Empire of the ultra developed world that is playing god, deciding who gets to prosper and who must suffer and you blindly go along with it...at least until it looks like it might start to hit home, then you cry foul.

    By the way humans can not live "off world" any more than fish can walk amongst men. We are part of the biosphere of earth and the sooner we understand this and act accordingly the better off we will be. To think otherwise is the kind of ultimate hubris that is killing us.

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 12:48am

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    I sent them a donation

    Join The Fight!

    They are filing a lawsuit on behalf of airline employees and from their website, are welcoming a broad cross section of supporters.

    The action in the airline industry, among air traffic controllers, and now, I hear, Amtrak gives me some hope that in a month or two or three, everyone will be the clamoring to claim that they were the first to see that the emperor (I mean president Brandon) was naked.

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 2:39am

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    Sanctimonious BS

    Netlej,

    You need to climb off your high horse. Your way may be less consumptive; however, it isn't any more sustainable in the long run. The fact of the matter is that you can't conserve a finite resource into sustainability. What happens to your precious solar panels when they fail and replacements can't be had? How did your panels get mined, manufactured, marketed, transported, and installed? It was from fossil fuels. You just pre-consumed your share to get the panels.

    You are missing the big point in your zest to be holier than the rest of us. Why was this scamdemic foisted upon us? If it were a simple lab accident, why are all the powers aligning on the same side? Why the big push for vaxxines that don't sterilize the virus and have unknown long-term effects? If vaxxines were so fantastic, wouldn't TPTB just let it sell itself? Think about it. There's something more sinister going on.

    Grover

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 6:59am

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    It is a spiritual war

    "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."  Paul's letter to the Ephesians 6:12.

    Scriptures give the answers for those willing to read, accept, believe, and act.  Yes the rehearsal is over.

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 7:21am

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    $600 protest

    It's very clever but might backfire..... If tracking $600 transactions became "too onerous" for banks, the Fed could offer to take over the job.... by being the only legal bank.

    Julie

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 7:29am

    grandefille

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    Don't count on Pope Francis's Vatican

    As a lifelong Catholic, I'm not counting on Pope Francis's Vatican to do anything positive about vaccines or One World Order.  All of their press releases talk about how we have a moral obligation to protect each other by getting jabbed.  The RNA jabs are developed using aborted fetal cells, but the jab is more important than abortion.  And Francis is totally on board with fighting climate change globally.  Not many Catholics understand what's behind that curtain. 🙁

    If the Vatican IS aware of any detrimental spiritual impacts of the jabs, it's probably because they're part of the Agenda.  I wish this weren't true and pray for their souls.

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 7:40am

    Netlej

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    There is no sanctimony in what I say or what I do.

    Grover - According to your simple minded logic any one who actually does the right thing is bad/sanctimonious and should be punched down on.

    If you have ever read any of my other comments I fully acknowledge that there is no such thing as "renewable" energy or "sustainable growth". By the way if you paid attention to my comment you would see that most of my solar is either passive or thermal...you know what passive and thermal solar is don't you? That basically means "making hay while the sun shines" which is emmenantly sustainable.

    I get two common responses when I talk like I do.

    First is people who say "Do less? You first". Which actually means "I'm not going to do less of anything when other people are doing more". This attitude is where America excells and will destroy all of the planet.

    Second is "Get off your high horse you sanctimonious so and so". Which means "You make me feel guilty that I will never do less and I don't like feeling guilty wah!". Which is again a very first world thing.

    Just go ahead and admit that you will never do more than buy a Prius and use a cloth bag for groceries. Then suck it up and accept that TPTB will take it into their own hands then and live with your decision. Yes you did decide. You decided to do little or nothing.

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 8:00am

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    Waste of time arguing

    You guys are wasting your time arguing with each other because the devils that have seized power dont give a rats' ass what either of you think. They are going to run their plan out, and it doesnt matter if you 'have the solution' for mankind or not.

    Your plan isnt the one that matters. Better to focus on how you're going to survive whatever comes down the road.

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 8:11am

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    Pope Francis... *not* a saint.

    I take it you haven't seen Arch Bishop Vigano's interview.

     

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 8:51am

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    Actually Brushhog has it completely correct

    what I or Grover thinks or Netlej thinks or anyone of us thinks does not matter. Their plan IS in motion. Odds are quite high that if they get their way NONE of us on here will survive. All we can do is keep prepping. The only ones “they” will keep are the people “they” need to do work for them. Odds are quite high that none of us are part of that list.

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 8:52am

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    richcabot said:

    We live in a digital age.  Compliance by banks would be a few lines of code.  The result of your action would be somewhat larger data files.  The deep state would have to write a few lines of code to filter out the noise.  They'd still know everything you are doing and could shut down or limit your account anytime they want.

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 9:19am

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    Paths and Choices

    I think Netlej, Mysterymet, and Grover all have made good points. I resonate with the spiritual question Sand_puppy has raised. I don't embrace the idea of aliens manipulating or guiding human development. I do think the class of self-appointed "shepherds" have wanted to nudge humankind into planned economics, including regulated and manipulated human regeneration, for multiple decades. The reason I'm not as sanguine about that as Netlej appears to be is because the leader class do not and will not lead by example; rather, I think their plan for us human cattle (or chattel) includes assuring themselves the resources and freedoms to continue improving their own experience of mortal life at our cost. Theirs is, to all appearances, a Brave New World vision, and we are all the raw material of near-future betas and deltas. I don't want to play in that game. I will die on that hill.

    But Netlej is surely right that absent our group ability to choose self-restraint, some cabal is going to try to impose it. Of course; and they see it, from their vantage point, as humane. From a certain angle, they are right: if you've ever observed or thought about how species from rabbits to deer end up self-regulating through over-grazing followed by mass starvation die-offs, it has to seem (as it does to me) that control-oriented culling is more humane than the alternative suffering from unattended, obvious over-crowding of a species' niche. Nature is not sentimental; are humans more or less than nature? Should we be? Imo, that's a nested moral question with no clear answer, certainly no universal answer - hence our current dilemma.

    Nor do I think technology solves all problems of human over-grazing. In fact, I think there's clear and growing evidence that as our technological prowess grows we show increasing evidence that our consequent separation from dirty fingernails produces mental incoherence. We are becoming crazy, and are more easily crazed. So many of us First Worlders don't understand where our basic stuffs come from, or how it is all produced. As technology enables us to gratify our least appetite at whim, we have increasing trouble understanding why delayed and even denied gratification might be the better course - not just for our material wellbeing, but for our psychological and emotional. If there is no meaningful "no" in life, there is no need to mature into considered adulthood; we can be perpetual children - which is to say, petty tyrants who don't like to be brooked. (cf "wokeism" which, imo, is present in different form among conservatives, too)

    You and I are tied to the soil. We are animated dust - for a time, after which we return to the earth. We are (if you will) imbued with the Spirit of Life, which animates us and empowers us to self-aware expression of that Life principle for a season, and then we are washed away by the waves of time. Because we are soil, we need soil to thrive. We eat versions of soil whether we are vegan, vegetarian, carnivore, or omnivore. And it's not the plant or animal that feeds us - they're just carriers and facilitators of the minerals, bacteria, and enzymes of the earth that replace and energize our bodies and brains. Heck, we even know, now, that our bodies don't contain in themselves all of the dna required to run our organs; rather, we use dna from the microbes colonizing our guts to run our own organs and bodily processes. That microbial dna comes from the food we eat, the liquids we drink, and the soil we get on our bodies. When we sterilize ourselves, our homes, and our food, we short-circuit the very life-giving process we need in order to be physically and mentally (therefore spiritually) our most vital selves.

    The great mistake we have made is to believe that we can dramatically alter the natural environment as we wish with no ill effect. In fact we think we've improved our living conditions by removing the natural restrictions on where and how we thrive. Quite the contrary. But if we remove the natural restrictions, we remove natural law; and if we remove natural law, then the Constitution is nullified, for nothing is any longer "self-evident" where Natural Law is done away. In a technocratic Eden life need not be lived or organized according to "nature's laws and nature's god." Rather, we can make it all in our own image. We can, contrary to the lesson of the Tower of Babel (a lesson one does not need to be religious to grasp), climb up into heaven to occupy God's throne.

    Not surprisingly we're discovering - as the ancients knew - that, having done so, we are proceeding to create not a better heaven (as the sly Garden snake promised Eve), but a self-conceived hell on earth. We won't escape hell by going off-planet before we resolve our appetite problem; and if we resolve our appetite problem we won't have any need to go off-planet. Indeed, I think we'll realize in that day that we have no desire to depart, because we'll know how closely interconnected we are to the soil, microbial life, plants, and animals who share Earth's dirt with us.

    In that day, we'll be a sane species again. Each of us will speed that day by going out daily and getting soil under our fingernails, breathing life-rich dust into our lungs, and eating (whatever we choose to eat) from the healthiest ground we can manage to create or find close to where we live. We belong here; we've just lost our way of belonging and need to find our way back. We need to remake our minds, which we do by playing, with productive purpose, in the soil.

    Sadly, I'm afraid that between here and there, we've hell to pay. It's a hell of our own devising. We've already sown the wind. Now is the time to batten down the hatches and build community wherever we each are, based in the knowledge that we are all culpable, and we are all united by the earth that is in us and that we are expressions of. The more we walk in that direction, as a species, the less violent the coming storm.

    Each of us make a difference. We each either strengthen or weaken the coming fire. It is a fire of purification. How hot and long it needs to be depends on how much dross we individually, therefore collectively, hold onto that nature's god knows needs to be burned away.

     

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 9:49am

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    Mysterymet

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    Maybe it is more a question of fate and faith

    Its like the old moral dilemma of the runaway train car and the switch. The train car is headed towards a group of people and they will die if you do nothing. However you can throw a switch and change the tracks to where only 1 single person is working but he will most certainly die as a result. Do you throw the switch?
    For me personally I do not. Those people’s dying is not on my hands. It was fate that put them on that track. However, if I choose to throw the switch, the worker will die through my direct action. The only time that would change is if the people the train was heading towards was my friends or family. I would save my friends or family and accept the death of the other person on my conscience. When you join the military or do some other job like firefighting you understand that you might die doing your job. When you are in the military you understand that your actions might cause the death of another human being. Going to war is hard on the soul. It is why I got into volunteer firefighting in the first place, to repair the damage to my soul. I would rather leave humanity to wither and die on the vine as a matter of fate than be the one who decides to kill some off for the good of the rest. Am I willing to kill another to save myself or my family when SHTF? Most certainly yes. Will it bother me to do, yes. Will I spend many hours in prayer after the fact, yes but rest assured if it comes to that I will do my job to the best of my ability.

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 11:51am

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    Agree, waste of time arguing and whining.

    Totally agree brushhog, waste of time arguing and whining about what is happening. We are obviously way past that.

    After 9 1 1 I had high hopes that the truth would come out. There were tons of really brave, smart people putting it all together. I felt that after the perp walks and exposure the world would be a better place ready to stop living the lies. WRONG!

    This is the same. I am still going to do the right thing though.

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 12:38pm

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    DaveDD said:

    Hi Mysterymet,

    Great post. The Dalai Lama once asked this simple questions: why do we have teeth and nails if not for biting and scratching?

    Not all voilence is avoidable. You live in a country with a great warrior tradition (the native one that is). Our family and loved ones are our responsibility, not doing our utmost best to protect them is one of the greatest sins for spiritual beings. Yes, we will carry the weight of Karma, but that is the way of the warrior...

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 1:18pm

    Canuck21

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    You are insulting, Netjej

    You have used the word "whining" four times in this discussion. All apparently directed at the other posters on this thread. I can see no one who is whining. We are all merely trying to do the best we can to figure out the best way forward for us all. Throwing insults into the discussion is harmful, not helpful.

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 2:02pm

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    Mark_BC said:

    It seems to me like TPTB have purposefully pushed society's consumption to maximum over the last few decades to force this crisis. It could have been a different way. Firstly, given how easily they have taken over the media to push the Covid fear narrative, they could have easily instead pushed the one-child-maximum narrative which would over a generation result in a dramatic population reduction. No forced sterilizations or anything else required. Furthermore, they could have stopped the excessive immigration. In Canada they openly talk about increasing our population to 100 million, almost 3x what it is now. And there is all this frantic discussion about what's behind our housing availability crisis, it's hilarious to watch as they try to deny the most obvious elephant in the room -- we have a housing crisis because they have opened the immigration floodgates... duh. But we aren't allowed to point that out as the reason because that would be racist.

    At the same time, TPTB could have allowed oil prices to rise naturally like they should have as a result of scarcity, rather than subsidizing the artificial production from the shale oil industry, which would have reinforced the resource shortage narrative. While some people would continue to have multiple kids in the face of this new paradigm, they would be in the minority and would be shunned by the majority who would understand the resource shortages.

    If we had reduced our consumption down to 10%, which would still allow us to continue living with technology, but not excessively, that would allow for coal-to-oil plants to develop to supply oil to the world, like they do in South Africa. There is a lot of recoverable coal left. And while coal again isn't renewable, this would have provided another 50-100 years of fossil fuel use at the lower consumption rate, to hopefully allow us to sort out possible alternatives.

    That would never happen though and none of this was done -- and that was intentional. The misinforming of the masses has always been intentional.

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 3:01pm

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    Mark BC, I agree and it is concerning

    Covid was just a small example but is exemplary of the bigger issue.
    Many of our systems depend on Ponzi schemes that require more and more.  We need more worker to pay for social security, we need the economy to grow and on and on just to maintain.

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 6:04pm

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    acesovereggs said:

    "have purposefully pushed society's consumption to maximum over the last few decades to force this crisis"

    Seems to me replacing 'to force this crisis' with 'to rape and pillage the earth for maximum possible profit going to the 0.1%' to be more accurate.

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  • Mon, Oct 11, 2021 - 7:50pm

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    Reply To Netlej

    Netlej wrote:

    Grover - According to your simple minded logic any one who actually does the right thing is bad/sanctimonious and should be punched down on.

    Doing the right thing for the wrong reason may be doing the right thing, but it's for the wrong reason. I applaud your consumption restraint (the right thing;) however, it won't make a hill of beans worth of change in the long run (meaning that you are doing it for the wrong reason.)

    Remember the insipid song - "100 bottles of beer on the wall"? You take one down and pass it around and you have one fewer bottles of beer on the wall. When the last beer has been taken down and passed around, the song is over. It really doesn't matter how quickly or slowly the beers get taken down. The end result is the same. Even if everyone sips the beer, it still all gets consumed.

    That song is an apt analogy for fossil fuels. The natural mechanisms that created the fossil fuels function over extremely long timeframes. There are minor amounts being created, but our consumption overwhelms that miniscule amount by many orders of magnitude. Given the timeframe of our consumption, the earth's bounty of fossil fuels can be considered finite - just like the beers on the wall.

    You are likely in the camp that if we can just prolong the agony and limit our consumption of fossil fuels, some brilliant scientist will figure out a way for us bypass the exhaustion of fossil fuels with all the implications for society. That actually could happen. The smart money is betting that it doesn't.

    I remember hearing a congressional testimony with M. King Hubbert (Originator of Peak Oil Theory) in the mid 1970s. This was right after the first oil crisis. Hubbert was explaining his theory and the ramifications. The congressoids questioned him briefly. When they heard that his model showed world oil production peaking around 1995, they stopped their questioning and thanked him for his testimony.

    An older family friend cynically told me that they stopped the questions because they were more concerned with the next election cycle. At the time, I was still naïve enough to think that we still have a couple of decades to figure out the problem and develop a solution. That was nearly 5 decades ago. If there is a solution, I'm not privy to it.

    Hubbert's prediction didn't come to fruition for several reasons. Nonetheless, it isn't a matter of if we'll deal with peak oil, it is a matter of when we will deal with peak oil.

    Grover wrote in post #83:

    Why was this scamdemic foisted upon us? If it were a simple lab accident, why are all the powers aligning on the same side? Why the big push for vaxxines that don't sterilize the virus and have unknown long-term effects? If vaxxines were so fantastic, wouldn't TPTB just let it sell itself? Think about it. There's something more sinister going on.

    I'm not sure that you bothered to read the second half of my post. If you did, your response certainly didn't acknowledge any of it. Have you thought about it deeper than what CNN would editorialize? The dots we know about just don't make sense. The standard MSM reasoning makes even less sense.

    Again, I remember back in the '70s when a swine flu was the big worry. Some pharmaceutical company developed a vaccine and was granted an EUA to administer the shot. After 5 known deaths from the vaccine, a warning was included with the shot. When 25 people died, the EUA was rescinded. After that, another 27 deaths were attributed to the vaccine.

    Ahhh. The good ol-days. Now, big Pharma, the MSM, and government are colluding to get as many people to take this novel mRNA vaxxine as fast as possible. The regulating mechanisms that worked during the '70s swine flu crisis have been dismantled. Throughout government, reporting requirements are being "relaxed" in order to hide the actual number of deaths/complications. That really bothers me.

    We know that all novel portions of this coronavirus have been patented. That's a remarkable feat for a virus that burst on the scene suddenly in late 2019. What are the odds that these genetic sequences that were patented years earlier all coincidentally came together all at once and with incredible vigor?

    The same people who patented the unique coronavirus attributes also developed the vaxxines. Based on the timeline, they heard about the virus and then had a vaxxine ready for approval in 2 days. Again, what an incredible feat - if it happened that way.

    Because of all the fear surrounding the potential effects of the virus, long-term testing of this novel vaxxine wasn't performed. As a result, people who submit to the jab are (literally) betting their lives on the long-term unknowns. I haven't heard of any MSM investigations or serious questions about the possible outcomes. Isn't that what Media is supposed to do? That doesn't make sense to me. Does it to you? Instead, they promote the story that the virus is still running rampant because of all the unvaxxed individuals.

    So, let me wrap this up. (I admit that this part is pure speculation.) The people who are pushing the vaxxines are either part of the deep state or tools of the deep state. Since the virus isn't that deadly for the majority of people, and since the cabal is pushing vaxxinations extremely hard for these groups as well as those who are more susceptible, there must be some delayed reaction that is the intended payload. What if that payload is a deadly and incurable prion-based neuropathic disorder?

    If so, then billions of people who got jabbed will know they were fooled and in effect, given a death sentence. Some will get angry. They'll take out their anger on any available stranger. Those without morals may go on a hedonistic binge. Some will become deeply religious in order to secure a better spot in heaven. How long before the vast majority of vaxxinees die?

    Because of improvements in artificial intelligence and robotics, the elite don't need to have minions do their work. If most of the minions die, then there are more resources available to the elite. (Just as most US citizens believe they deserve all the Middle East oil, the elite believe they deserve all the resources.) They just don't want their hands to get dirty. Ironically, your conservation efforts help secure more resources for the elites who are trying to get rid of us - the useless eaters of the world.

    Grover

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  • Tue, Oct 12, 2021 - 9:01am

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    AI and robotics can only get you so far

    Yes AI and robotics will make many people obsolete but there are still jobs they will need some minions for. It would be interesting to plot out clusters of people that got different vaccines maybe by location and industry?

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  • Tue, Oct 12, 2021 - 12:45pm

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    NAC Benefits Again --from Dr JohnB's twitter thread

    A very nice review article on the multiple mechanisms that NAC can interfere with the progression to severe disease in COVID.

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    The mechanism that is most significant to me is that NAC stops the down regulation of vascular endothelial function (constricting and dilating small blood vessels in response to local signaling molecues) that results when SC2 spikes bind to ACE2 receptors and turns off the nitric oxide (NO) mechanism.   Small arteries regulate tissue blood flow by dilating in responds to NO signals.  This is called normal endothelial function.

    NAC prevents the endothelial dysfunction when Spike protein attaches to ACE2 of the cells lining blood vessels.....  See article below:
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    SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Impairs Endothelial Function via Downregulation of ACE 2

    We administered a pseudovirus [a small particle covered with spike proteins that is not a virus] expressing S protein (Pseu-Spike) to Syrian hamsters intratracheally. Lung damage was apparent in animals receiving Pseu-Spike.....

    Long description of the complex cascades of morphological and biochemical havoc created by the spike attached to the ACE2 receptors of vascular endothelium.

    The end result is that the small vessels would not dilate when exposed to Nitric Oxide.  This creates local tissue ischemia and terrible oxidative damage to the tissues.    But, their observations of damage are ended with the following bombshell.....

    These changes of pACE2, ACE2, MDM2 expression, and AMPK activity in endothelium were recapitulated by in vitro experiments using pulmonary arterial ECs infected with Pseu-Spike which was rescued by treatment with N-acetyl-L-cysteine, a reactive oxygen species inhibitor (Figure [B], ii).

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    Therapeutic blockade of inflammation in severe COVID-19 infection with intravenous N-acetylcysteine

    [Prooxidant effects of COVID-19 cause lung damage.]  [G]lutathione depletion is reversible by N-acetylcysteine (NAC) administration. We describe a severe case of COVID-19 infection in a G6PD-deficient patient treated with hydroxychloroquine who benefited from intravenous (IV) NAC beyond reversal of hemolysis. NAC blocked hemolysis and elevation of liver enzymes, C-reactive protein (CRP), and ferritin and allowed removal from respirator and veno-venous extracorporeal membrane oxygenator and full recovery of the G6PD-deficient patient. NAC was also administered to 9 additional respirator-dependent COVID-19-infected patients without G6PD deficiency. NAC elicited clinical improvement and markedly reduced CRP in all patients and ferritin in 9/10 patients.

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  • Tue, Oct 12, 2021 - 1:08pm

    Netlej

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    reply to grover

    Grover said - "however, it won't make a hill of beans worth of change in the long run (meaning that you are doing it for the wrong reason.)"

    People have been using that as an excuse to not have to do anything since the 60's which is exactly why nothing has been done.

    Canuck - Sorry but most people here go on and on about how they don't like that TPTB are stepping in and forcing change yet are not willing to do anything that might inconvenience them or get in the way of their pleasure. Thats just about the definition of whining.

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  • Tue, Oct 12, 2021 - 1:13pm

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    Need I say more

    1 kg mylar bags of NAC are available here for $60.  They also have 100g, 250g, 500g and 5 kg sizes.

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  • Tue, Oct 12, 2021 - 1:16pm

    Kat43

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    Kat43 said:

    SP, that's quite a lot of NAC!  Plus maybe a reason to take it after a vaccine?

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  • Tue, Oct 12, 2021 - 1:54pm

    Pappy

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    Link for $60 kilo bags NAC?

    Please.

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  • Tue, Oct 12, 2021 - 3:16pm

    Canuck21

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    Canuck21 said:

    You wrote: "Canuck - Sorry but most people here go on and on about how they don't like that TPTB are stepping in and forcing change yet are not willing to do anything that might inconvenience them or get in the way of their pleasure. Thats just about the definition of whining."

    And you know this how? You have zero knowledge of what people on this website do in their private lives to help ameliorate climate change. You are just making a wild claim.

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  • Tue, Oct 12, 2021 - 3:38pm

    Acorn Endeavors

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    Took NAC among many other preventatives...

    I took that amount of NAC since being diagnosed with 2 autoimmune diseases earlier this year.  I've been on a number of immunosuppressant medications and remain unvaccinated.  In June, my husband and I both got sick.  The sickest we've ever been, but didn't go to the hospital despite 103.7 fevers.  I recently asked my rheumatologist for a COVID antigen test and it was positive, so I did have COVID, while on Humira.  That is miraculous that I didn't get COVID until then.

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