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    D614G: A New, More Serious Covid-19 Mutation To Worry About

    We're not done with the honey badger virus by a long shot
    by Adam Taggart

    Wednesday, June 24, 2020, 8:37 AM

Continuing its Keystone Cops manner of dealing with covid-19, the US appears to be caught flat-footed by the resurgence of infections happening across many southern and western states right now.

Yes, people are tired of being cooped indoors and wearing masks. Summer is here and they want to get outside, spend time with loved ones, and get back some normalcy of life.

But the Honey Badger virus ‘don’t care’. Covid-19 sees our loosening restrictions as a welcome invitation and is burrowing in with enthusiasm.

Making matters worse for us human hosts, a new strain of the virus — the D614G mutation — has been identified. It appears to be more contagious and serious than most previous strains.

So, for those who do not want to catch covid-19, now is not the time to start letting down your guard. We are not through the woods by a long shot yet:

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 8:46am

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    westcoastjan

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    Re-seeding the virus

    https://www.unz.com/article/china-reseeded-with-covid-20/

    This seems to provide credible insights as to the why.

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 9:15am

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    Disunited States

    Is this how it ends?  Governors ordering blocking at borders to travelers from risky regions?

    In Game Theory's Prisoners' Dilemma, if the prisoners cooperate, everyone gets off easy.  If not, they serve long sentences.  It's starting to look like...

    The virus does not come from rats or fleas, from mosquitos or contaminated water.  It comes from people, almost always directly person-to-person, nearly instantly.

    99 people cooperate, and one super-spreader breaks the social compact and infects a dozen, probably unknowingly.  "If I didn't see it, it didn't happen."

    Over and over again.

    At some hypothetical baseline, this whole thing could have been over in two weeks, if everyone had cooperated.  (Including officials, who instead ran the wrong way about masks, until the virus had seeded itself well enough.)

    Within any one region able to isolate, this could still be encouraged/enforced to drive the r-naught low enough, in any two or more week interval going forward.  Only human behavior defeats this, not the hand of some deity.  (I'll have to check whether the Greeks had a God of Stupidity.)

    Two weeks.  How tellingly is that a measure for human stupidity and incompetence at being social beings?  So now it's going to become endemic, because there won't be another shutdown, and politics has intruded via a millenarian cult of personality that represents all of USA's "exceptional" arrogance rolled into one brand of covidiots.

    Governors and mayors who "get control of" their region, having an R-naught just under 1, will have to ask it they can permit their own citizen-cooperators to be menaced from outside defectors.  "Let them stew in their own juices... as long as it takes."

    Combine this with the fiscal cliff the Fed/Treasury have driven over, with the unlikelihood of a central government ever being able to rescue state and municipal budgets, and you can hear the "we're on our own here" message beginning to form.

    Serious cash flow problems, and reductions of pensions, salaries, and services are going to be the news tsunami occupying the next stage.  How can it be otherwise?

    The private economy will come down to, can workers work and can shoppers shop?  Who will want to, or be able to, go where they used to go?  Effectively, the lockdown continues at some crippling level.

    Unemployment upending the thin veneer of prosperity that millions of bullshit jobs covered for.  If you are not willing to pay him/her out of your own pocket, does he/she really have a job?  (Just like the phony zero interest rates, while the looters bust out of the bank with your savings.  Is any of that the real lending. of real money?  Huh?  Wha?)

    "Where will we be when the summer's gone?  We had some good times, now they're gone." -- Jim Morrison

     

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 9:17am

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    yagasjai

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    Increased Infectivity/ Decreased Lethality?

    This was a sobering report! It raised a question from a video you did a while ago that said there was a possibility that it could mutate to become more infective and less lethal (which would be good!) So it sounds like it has done the "more infective" part. But does the possibility still exist for it to become less lethal? Or is this looking like its heading in the direction of more infective and more lethal?

    Between that and the exit strategy podcast, I am realizing I need to up my long game. I've been so focused on me and my 78-year-old mom surviving the first wave, I haven't been able to focus on all of the strategizing I need and want to do so that things will work well in the long-term. You start from where you are. But as Maya Angelou says, "Do the best you can until you know better, then when you know better, do better"

    Thanks again, Chris and Adam, for all you do keeping us informed, inspired, and motivated!

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 9:34am

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    The opening up is going to end very badly

    This virus is definitely is becoming very transmissible, if it wasn't already.    I have seen several articles were dozens of people of a single pub/restaurant sitting have contracted Covid.. If you can walk into a restaurant and infect more than dozen people, either this is from contaminated food.  or this thing is super sticky..

    Meanwhile , in florida,  it appears all is well because they have dropped the death rate.   Nope.. you have dropped the average age of infection, cases from 65 to 35.   Basically they have thrown caution to the wind to open things because young people can go back to work.    its not a problem.   just protect the elderly.      This will end in a big fail as more and more people get this, you wont be able to protect the elderly.  AND ultimately the are only looking at deaths as if, none of the "recovered" people wont have any long-lasting damage and issues.

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 9:40am

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    regarding increase infection and reduced lethality

    I am going to speculate it has to do something with the declining age of infection as this spreads more.   It seems the kids  ( 20 somethings ) dont care much for regulations and social restrictions.   So as we have become restricted.. especially the more responsible and vulnerable groups,  those getting it now are a different demographic - So, if they run first and set the forest on fire,  you will see a decline in death rate , then an increase........ as they spread it to outlying protecting groups.

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 10:02am

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    The Haseltine quotes should be tempered via our knowledge of HCQ

    Chris,  I have to object to your promotion of the Haseltine line that our current situation is like the pre-antibiotic era.  You can only say this if you write off the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine, and there is no reason that I can see to do this.  Yes, the truth is suppressed and also access to the drug, but this is separate from the question of efficacy.  Within the last two days data out of China showed how HCQ (and CQ) effectively blocks entry via the ACE2 receptor.

    Do you have reason to question the truth of this statement?

    If we all had the Zelenko protocol medications on our shelf, and were ready to take them at the first sign of sickness (or positive test result), we would avoid ~ 90% of the hospitalization and death that would otherwise ensue.

    It's not like the positive HCQ data has stopped coming in... it drips in every day.  Almost the entire history of these drips can be found on this website, in the forum thread entitled, "hydroxychloroquine vs. the Globalist Deep State".  Yesterday we showed a paper from China published two days ago that shows dose dependent in-vitro suppression of viral entry by HCQ/CQ - the reference for those interested can be seen in the aforementioned forum thread;

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 10:11am

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    Drip, drip, drip, drip....

    Hydroxychloroquine works;

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/04/17/russia-approves-unproven-malaria-drug-to-treat-coronavirus-a70025

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 10:17am

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    Personality changes

    I’m not a Dr. but can speak from direct personal experience. A few years ago my Doctor put me on a blood thinner. Over the course of 6 months on this medication my normal cheery and easy going self was being replaced with an easily angered grouch. I would sometimes feel angry for no reason at all. I knew it was weird but could not do anything to get back to normal. I decided to look up the known possible side effects of my medications. Yup, anger issues was one listed. My overall health had much improved, but it took me another 6 months to get my Doctor to agree to end that prescription. Within a month the anger was gone. The unfortunate young gentleman in Israel my be experiencing this issue. Overall, I have found Doctors to spend little of their time educating their patients about side effects, which virtually all pharmaceuticals have.

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 10:25am

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    One more public service announcement, then I will desist.

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 10:54am

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Masks

    This is Amerika

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUaQ-_nP3FQ

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 12:08pm

    taz1999

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    Maybe people will start to question US healthcare

    I can't speak to the veracity of the data but:

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-06-23-infant-vaccination-rates-plummeted-lockdown-mortality.html

    Maybe less is more?

    Why are young girls getting an HPV vaccination at a drastically inappropriate age?  To my knowledge the vaccine hasn't proved to prevent a single cancer.  But, I went apocalyptic when they wanted to proscribe the vaccine for my son.

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 12:26pm

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    David Kendrick said:

    He is Koalemos ( koeô êleos) sort of the new king of the world, the Romans equivalent was the Lord of Misrule from saturnalia(who was sacrificed), in England and Scotland  was an office appointed by lot and was last known as a character in twelfth night, which like the god of winds (Aeolus) who only helped Odysseus (kind of) to ensure his name was never forgotten, as long as there is shakespeare we will always have minor gods.

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 12:33pm

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    Vitamin D and the COVID


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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 12:37pm

    David Kendrick

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    HCQ needs Zinc

    HCQ only works as prophylaxis with the right dose of Zinc at the same time you take it, which means you have to cut out Phytates, you will not know this unless you are specifically advised by someone in the professions who have been told by media state and CDC that HQC is not good for you, despite all the evidence. Unless of course you already know HCQ needed to be paired with Zinc and had thought to query the internet with the right phrased question before Google censored it. I can positively state that the 7th Day Adventist regimes of Vegetarianism, making up and qualifying their own science with their own schools and Drs then every person having Phytates in their breakfast from Kellogs is not going to do your health any good, but you will certainly find a Dr tied to the cult who will tell you otherwise, similarly the entire health establishment has been compromised.

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 1:04pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Phytates

    In my last Spectracell analysis I was only deficient in one mineral. That was copper.

    Vegetarianism is not in itself a cause of mineral deficiency due to phytates. Too much phytate can cause problems but is not common. It is important to eat a well balanced diet. Also eating garlic and onions can minimize mineraly binding due to phytates.

    Once again my advice is to get a micronutrient test such as Spectracell.
    To reduce the anti-nutrient effects of phytic acid in foods, try the following:

    • Soak, sprout, ferment, and cook plant foods.
    • Consume vitamin C-rich foods with meals that contain phytic acid.  Dense source of vitamin C include guava, bell pepper, kiwi, oranges, grapefruit, strawberries, Brussels sprouts, cantaloupe, papaya, broccoli, sweet potato, pineapple, cauliflower, kale, lemon juice, and parsley.
    • Use vinegar in salad dressings and cooking to enhance mineral absorption and offset phytic acid.
    • Supplement with phytase enzymes if necessary.
    • Eat mineral fortified foods if necessary
    • Supplement minerals if there is still a shortfall in your diet.
    • If you’re eating a plant-based diet and have confirmed nutrient deficiencies, and you’ve tried all the above strategies with no success, adding small amounts of animal foods on occasion might boost stores of necessary minerals in your body.

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 1:26pm

    Mohammed Mast

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    Vit D and Fructose.

    Well boy howdy. This recent video on Medcram kinda puts the Vit D issue in a whole new light.

    https://www.medcram.com/courses/take/coronavirus-outbreak-symptoms-treatment/lessons/13685040-update-83-high-fructose-vitamin-d-oxidative-stress

    You can pop Vit D sups all day long but if you wash them down with your favorite soft drink which is loaded with HFCS it won't do you any good. I had no idea that Fructose interfered with the bioavailability of Vit D. It does not matter whether you get your Vit D from the sun or a pill, you do fructose and it is not going to work.

    This is a very important piece of info and may relate to why Amerika is leading the world in SC2 cases. We consume more HFCS than any place else on the planet. It turns out that Fructose intake might be a comorbidity

    This is important for me since I found out through my Spectracell analysis that I have fructose sensitivity. I eat mostly berries for fruit now

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 2:56pm

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    ACE2 protien receptor and control of Corvid19 virus

    In early March I suggested to my personal physician that the effective treatment of the Corvid19 virus would prove to be reduction of its ability to bind to the  ACE2 protein receptor.  Events have proven me correct.  At the same time I was being treated by a chiropractor for a shoulder injury.  His response to the same idea was "its all political."  He was correct as well.

    If I, with no training in epidemiology , could correctly understand the disease mechanism back in March, how is it that  armies of experts can fail to let their research and public pronouncements reflect this fundamental fact?  The answer  is basic to the criminal organization we call a health care system in the USA. Health care in the USA serves two purposes:  1-Maximise the cost to society and to individuals and transfer wealth to the owners and drug pushers of the system.  2- Extract  as much remaining wealth as possible from patients in the later stages of life so they die penniless.  An effective treatment protocol that costs only $20 is completely unacceptable to a criminal profit maximization system.  Hence the war on Hydroxychloroquine and the goal of developing vaccines that don't work but can be patented and sold for $1500 a shot every year.

    And finally, the proof is in the results:

    Cuba:

    Population: 11,326,616

    Deaths from CORVID19:   85

    From the period starting June 1-9 there have been zero new infections rendering the country officially Corvid virus free alongside New Zealand.

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    Cuba is a very impoverished county with a medium income of less than $1,000 per year. Yet it has:

    Twice the # of doctors per capita of any other country in the world.

    Spends twice the percentage of GDP on health care.

    An extensive public health system developed from long experience recovering from hurricanes and combating viral tropical diseases.

    An arsenal of potential CORVID19 antiviral drugs developed and tested from experience.   Joint pharmaceutical ventures and non-adversarial relationship with China.

    Only a handful of expensive intubators available in the whole country.

    The ability to mobilize tens of thousands of medical technicians to personally knock on doors and monitor anyone who showed the preliminary signs of Corvid19 infection.

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    New York City:

    Population:  8,336,817

    Coronovirus19 deaths:  17,591

    1/3 of patients admitted to hospitals in New York were intubated.  Of those 75-90% died.  Hospitals received $37,000 per patient if they  intubated a patient, but only $13,000 if they didn't.

    Follow the Money.

    I rest my case.

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 3:46pm

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    Mike from Jersey

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    Just imagine

    Now just imagine.

    Suppose the New York Times, the Washington Post, ABC, CNN and their ilk tried as hard as Adam and Chris to deliver accurate and useful information.

    Seriously, if those organization did that, a lot of America's problems would suddenly seem solvable.

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 4:01pm

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    Ioannides paper correction to Chris's interpretation

    The paper by Ioannides from which Chris read the abstract and then proceeded to tear its IFR estimate apart had this in the abstract:

    Seroprevalence estimates ranged from 0.1% to 47%. Infection fatality rates ranged from 0.02% to 0.86% (median 0.26%) and corrected values ranged from 0.02% to 0.78% (median 0.25%). Among people <70 years old, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.26% with median of 0.05% (corrected, 0.00-0.23% with median of 0.04%).

    For some reason, Chris then ignored the stated corrected estimated IFR of 0.25% and, instead, took the estimated IFR for infected people younger than 70 years of 0.04% to completely rubbish.

    Now, both estimates are almost certainly rubbish but why Chris used the wrong figure is very strange to me. This is similar to a few other videos recently in which he's misconstrued some article or paper and to his frequent implications that NZ had mandatory mask wearing. Very disappointing and detracts from his usual great work.

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 4:50pm

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    re wrong number

    I took the approach that Chris did perhaps.   They are so wrong, that it didnt warrant thorough review, because it was obviously not near.   I recall calculating the mortality rate for NY state about a month ago.   And as I recall it surpassed already the mortality rate of the flu even if we accounted for everyone in NY to have already had covid.  and there were no more to die or could die.     And we know that to be far from the truth.. So,  These people who are trying to convince us still that this has a death rate maybe the same as - or 3-4 times the flu,    by using the theory that a lot more people have actually been infected.  The point Chris was making , which i 150% agree with ,  is if you take the current mortality rate and compare it to the flu you are already at the numbers these idiots suggest,  and that is assuming everyone (100%)  in the population has already had to come to the assumption they have.    In fact you , would likely need about 200% of the population and we are far from done.

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 5:30pm

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    Disunited United States

    Just maybe something good will come from the Pandemic and subsequent collapse of the US economy.  It has long been my dream fantasy that the US will break into separate nations, each weak enough that it can't dream of controlling a Global Empire. Personally I have always considered myself a citizen of Cascadia first, and a subject of the USA only by the force of coercion, not loyalty.  I've lived in Oregon, Washington, and British Colombia and have much more in common with people from those regions than I do with New Yackers, Texans, or Confederates.

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 7:10pm

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    Yes but

    nordicjack, I agree with the general thrust but using the wrong number, and continuing to do so throughout the examination of why that can't be right, dilutes the message because, clearly, what Chris mentioned about some countries already surpassing that mortality rate was simply incorrect when applied to the correct IFR estimate. That is, if he'd used the correct estimate, then what he said wouldn't have applied.

    Chris does some great analysis here but he should recognize when he messes it up. So far, I don't recall his ever doing that and, IIRC, that can diminish his analysis.

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 8:20pm

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    Vit D and Frutcose

    This is just another example of nutrition before supplements.  If you get nutrition right, it’s questionable whether you need supplements.  If you don’t get nutrition right, it’s questionable how much supplements will help.

    The WFPB community only recommends B12 supplements.  Before Covid-19, that was my routine.

    Recently, I’ve been taking zinc and D3 as well.

     

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  • Wed, Jun 24, 2020 - 10:01pm

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    Nutrition

    Quite right, ABMath, good nutrition gives you all you need (apart from vitamin D, so sunshine is also needed). Only bad nutrition requires supplementation. Not sure about zinc; presumably, there are plenty of foods which contain sufficient zinc.

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  • Thu, Jun 25, 2020 - 6:18am

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    Thors,

    You wrote:

    If I, with no training in epidemiology , could correctly understand the disease mechanism back in March, how is it that  armies of experts can fail to let their research and public pronouncements reflect this fundamental fact?

    I am almost 70. I had to learn the hard way that just because someone has an "advanced degree" or a "license to practice" or the like, that does not necessarily mean that they know what they are doing.

    Some of them do know what they are doing.

    But a good percentage are hit and miss - handling some matters well and bungling others. And some of them are totally blinded by "consensus" beliefs which later turn out to be completely wrong. And others can, and will, relentlessly blunder their way into doing horrific damage to their patients.

    I know that from my own experience. I am actually very fortunate that I am still alive.

    Now, at my age, doctors don't understand why I don't just "take their advice" - when I disagree with that advice.

    But if they had been burned the way I had been burned - they would understand completely.

    In the end, these professions are just human institutions and that brings with it everything you would expect - the good and the bad.

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  • Thu, Jun 25, 2020 - 6:23am

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    Nutrition/Supplementation

    We have gone down this path numerous times before. But here we go again.

    Let's start here.

    "Well while there is of course regional variation, various studies have shown New Zealand soils to be deficient in selenium, iodine, zinc, chromium and boron – all minerals essential for the functioning of the human body"

    The fact is if the minerals are not in your soil they will not be in your food. This is a basic fact of agronomy. This is why organic farmers/gardeners are always adding soil amendments.
    Plants cannot manufacture minerals. It is ludicrous to think you can get all the nutrition you need w/o supplementation. That is unless you grow your own food and add all the minerals necessary. That is why I use Azomite in my garden. https://azomite.com/
    Commercial farming operations fertilize with NPK. They do not add compost or minerals back to the soil.  Decades of large scale farming have seriously depleted the soil and thus our food supply. Weston A Price documented this almost 100 years ago.
    Now we can add in the fact that we are currently under assault from large amounts of EMF and tens of thousands of toxic chemicals which only 100 years ago we were not exposed to. Thus our bodies need all the help they can get. This especially true if you do not grow your own food or live in a place like New Zealand where the soil is deficient in critical minerals (ZINC and SELENIUM to protect against SC2)

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  • Thu, Jun 25, 2020 - 6:32am

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    Reply to Thor

    Divisive generalizations do not a better person make.   Ultimately we are in a spiritual battle.  When men's (and women's) hearts become hardened and controlled by money, greed, power, pride, and political agenda's, we are certain for failure.  There are answers for the problems we face today.  The New Testament would be a good place to start.  Our Country was founded upon Godly principles.  When we as a nation and people stray far from those principles we are destined for doom.

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  • Thu, Jun 25, 2020 - 6:38am

    Mohammed Mast

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    Hi Mike

    That is exactly right, I couldn't agree with you more.

    Recently (Chris will appreciate this), a pathologist at the local VA got convicted and sentenced to 22 years for messing up a diagnosis. The patient died. Other pathologists went back and found he had screwed up the diagnoses of 30 other patients. He had been getting loaded and was using a drug that escaped the drug tests.

    Go back in time and a very good friend of mine was in the same hospital and was diagnosed with sarcoidosis. It is a disease which primarily affects black people. They prescribed steroids and he got progressively worse. He was sent to the VA somewhere else and was found to have histoplasmosis which is a fungus you get from birds. (anywhere there are a lot of poultry farms you will find a lot of cases) The absolute worst thing you can do is give steroids to someone with histoplasmosis. It is like throwing gas on a fire. He is no longer with us.

    My wife was diagnosed with breast cancer and we went to see the surgeon. He went over the pathology report with us and I had to point out to him that it was Her/neu 2 negative. He either completely missed it or did not read the report. that is a pretty critical piece of info in breast cancer diagnosis.

    Bottom line you need to do your own research.

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  • Thu, Jun 25, 2020 - 6:57am

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    Biophysics rules!

    We are bioelectric beings.  Biophysics (what happens when we are exposed to natural v. manmade light over the course of 24 hours) trumps biochemistry (what we eat).  Nutrition is important just not as much.   Doctors don't understand biophysics so they rarely go there.

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  • Thu, Jun 25, 2020 - 7:08am

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    Thors Hammer said:

    Mpup

    "The proof is in the results"

    If one buries their head in religion there is no need to look at results.  As in the comparison between two health care systems challenged by the same threat, one that results in 17,500 deaths and one with 85 deaths.

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  • Thu, Jun 25, 2020 - 10:53am

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    So Trump wants to end federal aid for testing sites

    This will miraculously disappear.    Seems like trump is doing a 180 , someone who wanted HCQ.  Now it seems he doesnt want testing.    Testing should be cheap enough to get anyway.  But not in this country.   We are headed for disaster at light speed.

    If you dont test , you cant have any cases.    The problem will end with no one knowing what is really going on and who is sick and how many, until their mother, father, sister, daughter etc. goes to the hospital and finds they are turned away.. and the bodies start to stink up the homes.

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  • Thu, Jun 25, 2020 - 12:18pm

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    More on Masks

    This was posted by a friend of mine on FB. The level some humans will sink to is disheartening to say the least.

    Man Threatened With Screw Driver For Wearing A Mask In Mariposa, Near Yosemite National Park
    From friend's of ours, Donovan and Christie Peterson who live in Mariposa, the town where I currently live near Yosemite National Park in California. This happened in Mariposa this morning, at Coast Hardware. Perhaps a video footage camera they have in the store will identify this individual.
    As an Australian (from Sydney) currently living in California, okay, we had people fight over toilet paper but in the U.S, threatening an individual with a screw driver in the town where I currently live.
    Christie Peterson
    30 mins ·
    My husband just returned from Coast Hardware where a customer (who was not wearing a mask) started berating him for wearing a mask. When my husband told him he was being discourteous, the man threatened him with a long screw driver. No one at Coast intervened or said anything and no one there (besides my husband)were wearing masks either. He is quite shaken and we have decided we will no longer shop there.
    Mariposa Chat.
    Mariposa Gazette
    Beth Pratt
    Sierra News Online
    Christie Peterson
    ABC30 Action News
    Fox News
    Sierra Sun Times
    Merced Sun-Star
    The Fresno Bee
    KRYZRadio.org / KRYZ 98.5 LPFM Mariposa Community Radio
    Mariposa County Sheriff's Office
    Les Marsden
    Jenni Kiser
    Marshall Long
    Rosemarie Smallcombe
    Miles Menetrey
    Sunrise
    ABC Australia
    ABC
    Daily Telegraph
    The Daily Telegraph (Australia)
    Amy Eaton
    Nathalie Granda ABC30
    Tom Wheeler

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  • Thu, Jun 25, 2020 - 12:39pm

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    Mike from Jersey said:

    Mohammed,

    That is really incredible.

    Some people are just very difficult to understand.

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  • Thu, Jun 25, 2020 - 1:07pm

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    HCQ + Zinc + Tear Gas =

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/06/teargas-coronavirus-george-floyd-protests

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  • Thu, Jun 25, 2020 - 2:02pm

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    Some questions

    Chris may already have covered this, but some questions remain:

    Is it true that antibodies are generated by getting COVID19?  Do they disappear in a couple of months, as one China study seems to indicate?   If so, can any vaccine confer any lasting immunity, or can herd immunity even exist?    If you are doomed to get COVID19 anyway, what is the best strategy to get it with minimal impact?   Thanks.

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  • Thu, Jun 25, 2020 - 4:36pm

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    Quite right

    Quite right, Mohamed, we can only eat what is in the soil. So, to avoid unsustainable supplements, grow your own and try to get the correct minerals into the soil, then recycle (compost everything that comes out the other end and food "waste").

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  • Thu, Jun 25, 2020 - 5:15pm

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    Reply to Thors #21 and #30

    My apologies Thors if I misunderstood or misinterpreted your response to my comment.  I see no good that comes from a pandemic. (#21)  The failing of the American economy would further suffering and misery of the American people.  I'm not sure what you are referring to when you state:

    "The proof is in the results"
    If one buries their head in religion there is no need to look at results. As in the comparison between two health care systems challenged by the same threat, one that results in 17,500 deaths and one with 85 deaths."

    My comment had nothing to do with health care systems.  My comment had to do with the moral, ethical, and spiritual decline in our country.  I am sorry that you do not consider yourself an American.  With that, I wish you health, happiness, and peace.

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  • Thu, Jun 25, 2020 - 8:42pm

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    Reply to Douglas

    Hi Douglas, hope you are well.  It is clear that people do build antibodies however there appears to be variances as to the duration or length of immunity given by those antibodies.  Further studies will clarify this.  As to vaccine(s) efficacy, only time will tell.  In Chris' latest video on YouTube he shows what supplements he takes routinely.  That would be Quercetin, Zinc, NAC, D3, Vitamin C, Selenium, and if he feels something"coming on" Elderberry syrup.  There is pretty clear evidence (except to the media, big pharma, Lancet, FDA etc. etc. etc.) that the HCQ/azyth/zinc protocol works when taken early in the disease.  I have spoken to my doctor about this and he would be willing to prescribe IF the powers to be don't prevent it.  Yes the way our "government" has dealt with this is surreal, and there seems to be no end to the insanity.  Rod Serling could have made an entire series of shows based on Covid.

    Edit to add that there was talk of both Pepcid(Famotidine) and Melatonin having positive aspects in Covid.  If I remember correctly, several months back, a pharmacist commented on this forum she would take Monolaurin as a supplement.   I think we're gonna need larger or multiple pill dispensers.  🙂    Take care and stay safe.

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  • Thu, Jun 25, 2020 - 9:50pm

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    Ioannides paper correction

    In Chris's latest video, Chris does mention the correct statistic that the 0.04% IFR refers to. But he just mentioned it without saying anything about how he got that wrong in his first video. It's a shame because Gail the Actuary has mentioned the paper in her latest essay but seems to be accepting it as a reasonable estimate - I would have liked to have pointed her to the rebuttal in Chris's video but can't do that now; will have to figure out a rebuttal myself. Which is fine but it could have been easier!

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 2:23am

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    Hmmmm

    I get the distaste you seem to show with those discarding the 70+ demographic. However, it’s not like you to not look at the other side of the ledger. What is saving those 70+ year olds going to cost; and I don’t mean in fiat. Especially the young? It’s a horrible consideration, and it does feel wrong to even ask, but it really needs to be asked.

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 6:02am

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    Wayne Swanson said:

    Chris, can you explain why it is that the US has 4.25% of the world's population and has approximately 25% of the world-wide deaths from the virus? What's going on here? Is is over-counting because hospitals make money from recording that people have died from the virus? Can you please speak to this topic?

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 7:14am

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    But the sea...

    Mohammed, Although New Zealand top soil may be deficient in these minerals, the surrounding ocean is not, and the subsoil and bedrock probably are not. If the people eat some seafood, or if the ocean generates aerosols that land on crop leaves (like a foliar amendment), or if soil management or other farming methods take advantage of roots or symbiotic fungi that reach deep into the soil structure (eg no till annual crop farming, or perennial crops, or livestock grazing on perennial grasses), then they might have more access to trace elements than the topsoil analysis suggests. So there are ways around the top soil deficiency, even without supplements, and to see if the people are deficient you would have to measure the people’s levels, which can be tricky. Of course, these caveats to your observation are irrelevant in the continental USA, where nearly all we grow are annuals in annually tilled, lime & NPK supplemented topsoil.

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 9:46am

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    Lots of ifs

    I suggest reading the research

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 9:57am

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    Vitamin D helps with antimicrobial peptide production and more

    • Low-dose-> (600 (15 mcg) IU/day to 4000 (100 mcg) IU/day) are insufficient to mount a sustained protective host immune response including AMP production in the face of an overwhelming infection such as coronavirus. Risk to benefit ratio, low expense, + broad availability clearly favor use of vitamin D in doses of 10,000 (250 mcg) IU/day in adults during the coronavirus pandemic.
    • Lower doses may be sufficient in younger people. Treatment with supra-recommended doses of vitamin D may save lives + prevent needless suffering, with very little downside risk. Potential benefits of this cost-effective intervention appear to clearly outweigh the risks.
    • https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202005.0265/v1
    • Vitamin D is effective at killing mycobacterium tuberculosis + other microorganisms such as proteus vulgaris, bacillus aerogenes, staphylococci + non-hemolytic streptococci, several viruses including rotavirus, respiratory syncytial virus, Kaposi Sarcoma-Associated Herpesvirus, dengue virus + possibly HIV.
    • Mechanisms of action-> After sensing microorganisms via toll-like receptors on their surface a signal transduction pathway is activated, causing intracellular production of calcitriol + VDR, leading to production of antimicrobial peptides.
    • Innate immune system makes antimicrobials on demand, + vitamin D is the switch turning on production. Different cell types are capable of making antimicrobial peptides in response to sensing microorganisms by upregulating vitamin D regulated genes, + several different types of antimicrobial peptides have been identified, including cathelicidin, alpha defensins, beta defensins, S100 proteins, ribonucleases (RNases) + dermcidin.
    • Antimicrobial peptides exhibit a wide range of activity against a host of microorganisms via antimicrobial peptides that vitamin D causes to be produced in its action as a steroid hormone.
    • Antimicrobial peptides also display immunomodulatory properties, including induction of cell migration, proliferation + differentiation; regulation of cytokine/chemokine production; promotion of angiogenesis + wound healing; + maintenance of skin barrier function.
    • https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202005.0265/v1
    • Oral vitamin D was effective in treating several diseases with higher intakes than are in use today, + which are significantly higher than amounts made in skin in response to 1 MED of UVB radiation:
    • Asthma -> 60,000 (1500 mcg) IU/day - 300,000 (7500 mcg) IU/day.
    • TB -> cured with 100,000 (2500 mcg) IU/day to 150,000 (3750 mcg) IU/day for 2- 3 months with no toxicity.
    • RA-> 150,000 (3750 mcg) IU/day - 600,000 (15,000 mcg) IU/day.
    • Psoriasis-> 20,000 (500 mcg) IU/day.
    • https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202005.0265/v1

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 10:46am

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    D614G occurred early and is now the dominant strain

    It was on PP that I learned from early posts of the European strain.  Almost as soon as it got out of China the stabilizing mutation occurred leading to increased transmissibility due to stabilization of a "salt bridge" that always the spike protein to be more flexible.  Then came other mutations now referred to as hitch hikers that have over lapping genes.

    I thought it was posted already that most countries are now have the majority of this strain.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v1

    It may be why China is having a new struggle with the virus.  Antibody against the Wuhan strain was slightly less effective against the European strain.  Time will tell.

    Scripps paper- I believe Chris reviewed this recently.

    • Viruses with Spike-G614 were 9X’s more infectious in cell culture than those without the mutation.
    • Mutation markedly increased functional spikes on viral surface by 4-5 times.
    • Spikes are what allow the virus to bind to + infect cells via ACE2 receptors.
    • D614G, provides greater flexibility to the spike’s “backbone” allowing newly made viral particles to navigate from the producer cell to target cell fully intact, with less tendency to fall apart prematurely.
    • This conserves the S1 piece-> so there are more.
    • https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.12.148726v1.full.pdf
    • Additional stability is needed to compensate for the furin cleavage site

    A new stop codon has been hitch hiking with The G clade group- it makes both a long protein and a short protein.  They are not sure exactly what the short protein does.  It has not been entered into the Gene bank.

    • ORF3c->predicted protein of 238 amino acids; a membrane protein with 3 transmembrane regions.
    • ORF3c gained a new stop codon (G25563U) that rose in frequency; 401 sequenced samples demonstrate this mutation in multiple hosts.
    • New ORF3c stop codon hitchhiked early with haplotype 241U/3037U/14408U/23403G (Spike-D614G), ->drives European + world spread.
    • Results liken ORF3c to other important viral accessory genes recombined, lost, split, or truncated before or during outbreaks, including ORF3b + ORF8.
    • OLGs deserve considerably more attention, their rapid evolution may be more important than is currently appreciated in the emergence of zoonotic viruses.
    • “Over lapping genes) OLGs deserve considerably more attention, their rapid evolution may be more important than is currently appreciated in the emergence of zoonotic viruses.”
    • https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.21.109280v1.full.pdf

    Chicago is an example of the increase in the “G” clade or European strain ocer the Wuhan strain.  NYC is now mostly all "G." New Yorks fled the city taking the "G" strain with them to California, Chicago and Florida. (from the NY times 5-16-20)

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.19.20107144v1.full.pdf

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 12:54pm

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    Optimal Vit.D, supplements usefulness, antibodies duration, causes of US death toll

    @Mike from Jersey
    Now just imagine.

    Suppose the New York Times, the Washington Post, ABC, CNN and their ilk tried as hard as Adam and Chris to deliver accurate and useful information.

    Seriously, if those organization did that, a lot of America's problems would suddenly seem solvable.

    A lot? Seems to me like almost ALL of them.

    @sofistek
    Now, both estimates are almost certainly rubbish but why Chris used the wrong figure is very strange to me. This is similar to a few other videos recently in which he's misconstrued some article or paper and to his frequent implications that NZ had mandatory mask wearing. Very disappointing and detracts from his usual great work.

    Interesting... Is that why they continue to censor websites on this forum? You still can't post bit-chute links! *tinfoil hat mode on*

    @Thors Hammer
    Just maybe something good will come from the Pandemic and subsequent collapse of the US economy. It has long been my dream fantasy that the US will break into separate nations, each weak enough that it can't dream of controlling a Global Empire.

    That'd probably be one of the worst things that could happen to you as an American, and to all of us. How's your Chinese?

    @ABMath
    This is just another example of nutrition before supplements. If you get nutrition right, it’s questionable whether you need supplements. If you don’t get nutrition right, it’s questionable how much supplements will help.

    In theory that's correct; however, we have depleted our soils of nutrients, we generally have damaged digestive systems, extra nutrients are needed to detoxify from toxins we're constantly exposed to even if we're aware of them... The benefits of supplementing with certain nutrients is tremendous, particularly vitamin D (only if you can't get enough sunshine), magnesium, vitamin K2, omega-3s (krill oil is best) unless you eat a lot of fish (and you want to avoid all large fish as they're full of mercury), B12 if you eat little animal foods (and many more nutrients than those listed here if you're vegan), and you may want to supplement with antioxidants if you don't get enough (vitamin C, curcumin, astaxanthin are probably the top 3). Then there's iodine, selenium, ... It's not enough these days to only avoid toxins. And there's non-nutrient supplements that can be highly useful too, like liver and kidney cleanser herb combos, and a large number of different categories of herbal-based nootropics (and interesting synthetic ones too)...

     

    @Douglas Smith
    Is it true that antibodies are generated by getting COVID19? Do they disappear in a couple of months, as one China study seems to indicate? If so, can any vaccine confer any lasting immunity, or can herd immunity even exist? If you are doomed to get COVID19 anyway, what is the best strategy to get it with minimal impact? Thanks.

    Any pathogen will be met with antibody generation by a competent immune system. Otherwise we wouldn't have survived as a species. The less subsequent exposure, and the less sick you became, the sooner acquired immunity will fade. If there's constant low-level exposure, it might last. We even have a certain level of cross-coronavirus immunity (antibodies may target a coronavirus based on previous exposure to another one). I think there's always some level of remembered immunity. The best strategy is getting your vitamin D blood level at least above 40 ng/ml, but optimally above 60 ng/ml, taking vitamin C daily (1g should be plenty if you're not fighting a disease or toxic insult), and avoiding chronically high cortisol levels (stress). Remember/realize that vaccines are, or have been for quite some time, "aluminum and other neuro-, cyto-, and immunotoxins + an attenuated pathogen", not just "an attenuated pathogen". The same people who want to sell you a vaccine are suppressing the cures and preventive factors that actually work.

     

    @Wayne Swanson
    Chris, can you explain why it is that the US has 4.25% of the world's population and has approximately 25% of the world-wide deaths from the virus? What's going on here? Is is over-counting because hospitals make money from recording that people have died from the virus? Can you please speak to this topic?

    Yep, it's that, and Dr. Birx admitted they're counting anyone remotely suspected of possibly having had Covid, and hospitals are pressured to put "covid" in death certificates sometimes even without grounds for suspicion. This is also happening in Belgium and probably a few other countries. There seems to be more countries doing the opposite: undercounting to make their handling of the crisis seem less bad. It's also that many Chinese people traveled to the US during Chinese New Year, before Trump stopped incoming flights against the "advice" of the WHO. And, sadly, it's also that Americans have the worst health of any developed nation, and are constantly exposed to toxins from every conceivable angle. The suppression of the cures and nutrient advice contributes too, as does the higher-than-anywhere else MSM fear-mongering.

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 2:03pm

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    Great Review of Vitamin D Effect and Safety

    Thank you TurquoiseRose for the article on Vitamin D.  It is nice to have another physician or two throwing in their 2 cents on medical issues.

    https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202005.0265/v1

    I increased my Vitamin D3 intake to 10,000 IU - 20,000 IU / day at the onset of the COVID pandemic and am very happy to see these authors supporting these higher doses.

    Especially important for black patients, whose darker skin makes less Vitamin D3 with sunlight.

    The review article was great as it showed the scope of genes activated by Vitamin D3 and the number of medical conditions where benefit has already been demonstrated.  Bibliography of 147.

    Vitamin D3 induces the creation of a number of antimicrobial compounds by human cells:  cathelicidin, defensins, democidins and several others that I had not heard of before.

    This might intersects with a recently reported finding by an Israeli team that patients with higher alpha defensins levels did much better with COVID-19 infections than those with low levels. [Curses, can't find the link]

     

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 2:13pm

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    Vitamin D dosing...

    Thank you Turquoise and Sandpuppy.  I had no idea folks were dosing that high in general.. although I did see Clif High talk about dosing high quite some time ago.  I have been staying in the 3000 - 5000 IU range, but I will bump that up now to 10,000, especially if there is really no downside.

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 2:15pm

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    Influenza Vaccine Linked to Covid19 Deaths

    From Spain:

    Based on an epidemiological analysis of COVID-19 deaths in the Health Sector attended by the Hospital of Barbastro, and the study of the pharmacotherapeutic history of affected patients, it was found that the most common drug to all the deceased was Chiromas® Influenza Vaccine. This led to the hypothesis that the influenza vaccination of the 2019-2020 campaign could be associated with an increased risk of deaths by COVID-19 in people over 65 years of age, that is to say, to the suspicion of a possible iatrogenesis, suspicion that was confirmed when accessing data from another sector." https://drive.google.com/file/d/1x3pJnsalTasJ189qIF89dhT-b4bMJsqf/view

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 2:28pm

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    vitamin D uptake question

    I really appreciate all of the helpful information about vitamin D.  Does anyone here have any information about what either enhances or inhibits vitamin D uptake?

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 4:57pm

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    Vitamin D uptake

    Hi, Suzie, good to see you.   The Med Cram lectures on you tube have a lot of vitamin D info.  Several days ago, Mohammed Mast recommended Med Cram #83. On fructose and high fructose corn syrup inhabition of vitamin D.  I see # 74 has info., too.

    After sunbathing for vitamin D,  do not shower or scrub the skin as the chemicals are pretty superficial for probably 24 hours.  UVB rays create vitamin D in the skin, these are most prominent in the solar spectrum between 11 AM - 1 PM, standard time.  I like to expose 40% of my skin for 40 minutes, but your mileage may vary.

    I also dose, 1 tsp.  Cod liver oil per day.  Not that bad, the new lemon flavor is OK.  Gives you Vitamin D, A and essential fatty acids.

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 5:37pm

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    Optimize Your Vitamin D Level

    Dr Mercola has a report on how to optimize your vitamin D levels:

    From Mercola.com:

    The Most Important Paper I've Ever Written

    For the last three weeks, I have been writing a comprehensive report on vitamin D in the prevention of COVID-19. The report has been reviewed by many vitamin D scientists for accuracy. This was done to develop a resource that everyone can share to help educate others. We will soon be launching a campaign to educate and inspire everyone, everywhere, to start optimizing their vitamin D level NOW. Please download my paper here, and share it with everyone you know.

    The purpose of this report is to help you understand why it is so important to optimize vitamin levels for healthy immune functions and then provide you with a detailed strategy of how to do that. This report can be used as a tool to teach your friends, family and community about why and how to be prepared for the next pandemic.

    In it, I review the science of how your immune system works, and the regulatory role of vitamin D. I also explain how vitamin D reduces your risk of COVID-19 specifically, and how it helps suppress and control both acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and cytokine storms, which is a primary cause of death in COVID-19.

    https://media.mercola.com/assets/pdf/ebook/vitamin-d-in-the-prevention-of-covid-19.pdf

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 5:58pm

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    Vit. D

    Thank you gallant farms, I LOVE Dr. Mercola.

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 7:30pm

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    Replying to vitamin D uptake question

    My understanding is that excess preformed Vitamin A can interfere with Vitamin D (ie. retinol rather than beta-carotene, which the body converts to retinol as needed). Apparently, many nutrient supplements currently on the market, and modern cod liver oil, contain unhealthy ratios of preformed Vitamin A to Vitamin D.

    The conclusion from the following article was

    Based upon our extensive research, we believe that most people require 5,000 IU to 10,000 IU of supplemental vitamin D each day to achieve optimal blood level status. The need for preformed vitamin A, on the other hand, is only 500-1,000 IU each day.

    For more info you can page down to the section titled ‘Excess Vitamin A Can Thwart Vitamin D’. There are sources to accompany the research described in the article.

    https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2010/1/startling-findings-about-vitamin-d-levels-in-life-extension-members

    I have also read that as people age their ability to create Vitamin D from sunlight diminishes by up to 75% over time, so supplementation of Vitamin D3 is recommended.

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 8:42pm

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    Life extension vitamin D

    Thank you, JWhite,

    Interesting about xs vitamin A interfering with vitamin D.  I also trust life extension for good information.  It is hard to keep up with it all.  Thank goodness for this active and caring community.

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  • Fri, Jun 26, 2020 - 11:54pm

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    Cod Liver Oil

    Having to do major research on everything to protect from what food manufacturers have changed in products is exhausting.  Yes, the cod liver oil from my childhood is not what is available, today.  Apparently the levels of vitamin D have dropped and cholicalciferol is added and the vitamin A is supplemented with retinyl palmitate.  The cod liver oil I use is Carlson from Norway.  400 IU of vitamin D and 850 IU of vitamin A per tsp.  This is not an excessive amount of vitamin A, but it is still unbalanced according to the Life Extension article.  I need to boost, by supplements and sun exposure my vitamin D intake besides taking the cod liver oil.  No wonder people can't keep up.

    I had been taking supplements of vitamin D and getting sun exposure.  5,000-10,000 IU per day.  I just thought the cod liver oil would be more natural.  Silly me.

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  • Sat, Jun 27, 2020 - 4:56am

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    Vitamin D3 Hydroxy-25 blood test

    I buy Natures Bounty D3 at Costco. Also I get my D3 level tested every 4 months due to an existing health condition. The test is Hydroxy-25 and is covered by insurance up to 3 times per year for me. My D3 stays around 80 -100 ng/mL. I take about 4000 units per day.

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  • Sat, Jun 27, 2020 - 5:31am

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    Test

    Taking supplements w/o testing is ill advised to say the least.

    Get a micronutrient test to see where you are deficient adjust diet/supplementation accordingly, then test again after 6 months. Do your own research and consult with a trusted, knowledgeable practitioner. (MD, Naturopath, Functional Medical Practitioner, etc) Be aware most MD's are ignorant of nutrition.

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  • Sat, Jun 27, 2020 - 8:37am

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    Replying to Mike from Jersey

    50% of doctors graduated in the bottom half of their class.  And a good many don't even keep up with reading their own medical journals, and some continue to believe whatever they learned in med school.  Of course, there are many fine doctors out there too, the trick is to find them.... But in any case I agree with those who have pointed out the importance of doing our own research.

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  • Sat, Jun 27, 2020 - 10:12am

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    tbp

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    Vit.D dose concerns

    The main concern to be aware of is that if taking high doses of vitamin D (10000+ IU daily for weeks), then you could start to get calcification (of arteries, heart, kidney, pineal gland...) IF you have inadequate magnesium and vitamin K2 levels, which are also common deficiencies. Dr. Berg has a short new video explaining all the concerns worth being aware of:

    Magnesium is SO worth supplementing with anyway, especially magnesium L-threonate, easily my favorite single nootropic.

    Vitamin K2 is a tricky one, it's very hard to know if you have adequate levels, as it depends on your body's ability to convert K1 to K2, your gut bacteria's level of production of it, and your foods sources (not that many foods contain K2).

    It's also important to consider your levels and sources of vitamin A. Synthetic A is typically not great. Liver is the best source (I use cod liver oil as a vitamin A supplement taken maybe once a week or less, and occasionally eat cow liver).

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  • Sat, Jun 27, 2020 - 11:51am

    Mohammed Mast

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    Finding a doctor

    One of the best ways to find a doctor is through IFM. Functional medicine is a great model. It treats the person not the symptoms.

    https://www.ifm.org/

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  • Sat, Jun 27, 2020 - 3:17pm

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    gallantfarms

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    Vitamin D Home Test Kits

    For those who don't want to have to go through a doctor there is an easy home blood spot test kit that you can mail in to check your level.  Costs $65 plus shipping.

    https://daction.org/start

    One interesting thing from the Mercola report is that he says that ALL of the studies that say Vitamin D doesn't work tested specific doses and NOT blood levels.  It's all about how much you absorb not how much you take.  So when you see the media downplaying the usefulness just remember how they twist the facts.

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  • Sat, Jun 27, 2020 - 4:04pm

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    speakcat

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    Vitamin D blood test

    Four years ago, I had my yearly physical. As part of that, I had an extensive blood test workup. The test showed that my blood Vitamin D was very low. I was surprised that I was deficient because I am retired and spent several hours daily outside working. Research showed that vitamin D deficiency is common. Too much sun is bad for you so we mostly cover up and use sun screen (I do not use sun screen). Older people (like me) have less efficient vitamin D production. I was put to 50,00 iu of Vitamin D3 weekly. After 6 months my insurance refused to cover it and required the OTC strength version (400 iu) at a dose of 1 per day. I's cheap. I needed it. I have been taking it since that time. At last years yealy physical, my Vitamin D blood level was not checked. I asked about that and was told that it was no longer a test routinely covered by insurance. I asked about having the test and paying for it myself. I was quoted about $260.00. By the way, the new senior citizen health care also does not cover EKGs, colonoscopy, or prostate check. For the senior ladies, no more PAPs. I was told that the cost of these checks was not worth the money and not worth the potential rewards. So much for preventative care. Currently my wife and I both take 2,000 iv of Vitamin D3 daily. I do need to get our vit D blood levels checked tio see where we are. Everything in this country is becoming politicized and monetized.

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